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From: Warp
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 11:43:47
Message: <47b1ccc1@news.povray.org>
stbenge <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> VC is no small 
> download, not for those of us still struggling with dialup (I get 24Kpbs 
> here :(...)

  Which is exactly why it sounds so stupid to immediately uninstall it
right after he had downloaded and tested it, and just because of such
a mundane reason.

  How about thinking of it like this: If the whatever-non-standard-library
he wanted to be included was included, the download would have been even
larger, and it's a library not everyone needs or wants. Now he can download
a smaller package, and then optionally download whatever additional libraries
he wants for it.

  Ditching the compiler because it doesn't come with some non-standard
library by default is like ditching a linux distro because it doesn't
come with all possible software by default. It doesn't make sense.
  What makes more sense in this example is that you download the small
distro, install it, and then you install whatever additional software
you need. This way you don't have to spend three days downloading a
package where half of the stuff is something you will never need.

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 11:44:54
Message: <47b1cd05@news.povray.org>
Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> > wouldn't it just be a matter of downloading OpenGL headers and libs?

> Presumedly, since the other compilers already work with OpenGL, he 
> doesn't even need to download them, yes?

  If the other compilers work ok, then why did he even download VS?

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 11:47:40
Message: <47b1cdac@news.povray.org>
Gail Shaw <initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote:
> > I thought Sun only made hardware?
> >
> > [Oh, mind you, they did do that little Java fad...]

> And MySQL. Don't forget SunOS. They may have done Solaris too, but I'm not
> sure.

  Of course Solaris is made by Sun. And don't forget OpenOffice.

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 11:48:45
Message: <47b1cdec@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> > Blizzard

> ...who?

  In my books you have stopped being a computer nerd from this moment
forward.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 11:51:07
Message: <47b1ce7b$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>> Blizzard
> 
>> ...who?
> 
>   In my books you have stopped being a computer nerd from this moment
> forward.

:-(

Why? Because I don't play certain types of games?

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 11:51:32
Message: <47b1ce94$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Gail Shaw <initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote:
>>> I thought Sun only made hardware?
>>>
>>> [Oh, mind you, they did do that little Java fad...]
> 
>> And MySQL. Don't forget SunOS. They may have done Solaris too, but I'm not
>> sure.
> 
>   Of course Solaris is made by Sun. And don't forget OpenOffice.

Oh yeah. And StarOffice. I completely forgot that part...

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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 11:52:23
Message: <47b1cec7$1@news.povray.org>
Warp escribió:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>> Blizzard
> 
>> ...who?
> 
>   In my books you have stopped being a computer nerd from this moment
> forward.
> 

I have never played *any* MMORPG. And I know what WoW is and who its 
maker is.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 11:56:38
Message: <47b1cfc6$1@news.povray.org>
>>   In my books you have stopped being a computer nerd from this moment
>> forward.
>>
> 
> I have never played *any* MMORPG. And I know what WoW is and who its 
> maker is.

I don't even know what a MMORPG *is*.

[Well, I mean obviously it's a massively-multiplayer online role-playing 
game. But what the hell does that even mean anyway?]

Uh... wait... would anybody else like to hold this shovel for a minute?

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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 11:58:01
Message: <47b1d019@news.povray.org>
"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
news:47b1cdac@news.povray.org...
>
>   Of course Solaris is made by Sun. And don't forget OpenOffice.
>

I wasn't sure if it was Sun themselves, or a subsiduary. Haven't worked with
either for quite some years

I prefer to sound uncertain than to state a fact as categorically true when
it's not.


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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 12:01:07
Message: <47b1d0d3@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:47b1cfc6$1@news.povray.org...

> I don't even know what a MMORPG *is*.
>
> [Well, I mean obviously it's a massively-multiplayer online role-playing
> game. But what the hell does that even mean anyway?]

GIYF. So is wiki, for that matter.

But if you're too lazy/uninterested to do a search....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMORPG


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 12:07:51
Message: <47b1d267@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:

> 
> Why? Because I don't play certain types of games?
> 

I'm not a gamer in even the remotest sense, and *I* knew who Blizzard was.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 12:08:49
Message: <47b1d2a1@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >>> Blizzard
> > 
> >> ...who?
> > 
> >   In my books you have stopped being a computer nerd from this moment
> > forward.

> :-(

> Why? Because I don't play certain types of games?

  I have never played a game by Blizzard, yet I know what Blizzard is.

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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 12:09:31
Message: <47b1d2cb@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:

> 
> Oh yeah. And StarOffice. I completely forgot that part...
> 

Speaking of wasting time downloading software ... a few years ago, I 
downloaded and tried Staroffice. I found it seriously lacking. Felt like 
MS Office circa Windows 3.1


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 12:10:58
Message: <47b1d322@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford <mra### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Speaking of wasting time downloading software ... a few years ago, I 
> downloaded and tried Staroffice. I found it seriously lacking. Felt like 
> MS Office circa Windows 3.1

  You should demand a refund, then.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 12:12:43
Message: <47b1d38b@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
>>>> Borland
>>> Are they still going?
>>
>> Sure
> 
> Oh, OK. I thought they went under after Delphi failed...
> 
>>>> Blizzard
>>> ...who?
>>
>> Diablo
>> Warcraft
>> Starcraft
>> World of Warcraft
>>
>> Gaming company.
> 
> Oh, OK. I hadn't heard of them. [But then, I've never played or even 
> seen any of the games you mention, so...]

I cringe any time I see Orchid display his ignorance.

World of Warcraft?  what kind of geek are you to not know Blizzard?! 
they are the id of hack-and-slash games...


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 12:15:14
Message: <47b1d422@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>> Blizzard
> 
>> ...who?
> 
>   In my books you have stopped being a computer nerd from this moment
> forward.
> 

yes, let's begin a campaign to impeach Orchid of his geek position!

hey, guys.  I'm on vacation, but you seem pretty overly active for 
working people... ;)


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 12:17:03
Message: <47b1d48f$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> 
>> Also, did you hear Sun bought MySQL recently? :)
> 
> Heh. How do you guys know all this stuff?
> 

http://slashdot.org

just read the headlines if you're out of time.  But the comments are 
real crux... :)


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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 12:19:49
Message: <47b1d535@news.povray.org>
"nemesis" <nam### [at] nospamgmailcom> wrote in message
news:47b1d422@news.povray.org...

> hey, guys.  I'm on vacation, but you seem pretty overly active for
> working people... ;)

I have an excuse. It's 7pm and I'm trying very hard to avoid working on my
thesis. So far, complete success. <g>


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 12:25:52
Message: <47b1d6a0$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Mike Raiford <mra### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> Speaking of wasting time downloading software ... a few years ago, I 
>> downloaded and tried Staroffice. I found it seriously lacking. Felt like 
>> MS Office circa Windows 3.1
> 
>   You should demand a refund, then.
> 

I did. I never got my 5 minutes back :)


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 12:46:58
Message: <47b1db92$1@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford wrote:
> Speaking of wasting time downloading software ... a few years ago, I 
> downloaded and tried Staroffice. I found it seriously lacking. Felt like 
> MS Office circa Windows 3.1

Just a few years ago, Linux had a GUI which resembled Win95 at best. 
Nowadays, I've been running composite window managers in full graphical 
glory even before Vista was out...


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 14:04:30
Message: <47b1edbe@news.povray.org>
Invisible escribió:
> [Well, I mean obviously it's a massively-multiplayer online role-playing 
> game. But what the hell does that even mean anyway?]

I heard it also stands for "Mostly Men Online Role Playing Girls" and 
"Massively Monotonous Online Repetitive Perpetual Gaming".


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 14:34:41
Message: <47b1f4d1$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> Here's a better one: Name two other software companies [that anybody has 
> heard of]. ;-)

Anybody? Or someone who doesn't know who Richard Stallman and Steve Jobs 
are? ;-)

Seriously, name any other company at all in any product range that 
pushes other people's products. It's actually a rather big selling point 
that the "Progressive" insurance company in the USA will actually give 
you quotes for other insurance companies along with theirs. That's the 
only one I can think of.

Does Ford keep a few toyotas on the lot for you to test-drive too? Does 
your local food store keep a section set aside for other food stores to 
offer free samples? Does your bank have other banks' ATMs or brochures 
by the counter?

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     On what day did God create the body thetans?


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 14:35:47
Message: <47b1f513@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>> Blizzard
> 
>> ...who?
> 
>   In my books you have stopped being a computer nerd from this moment
> forward.

LOL!  OK, now I have to look like I'm working for a while...  Everyone 
is wondering what I'm laughing at during a Linux reinstall...

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     On what day did God create the body thetans?


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 14:43:06
Message: <47b1f6ca@news.povray.org>
Darren New escribió:
> Invisible wrote:
>> Here's a better one: Name two other software companies [that anybody 
>> has heard of]. ;-)
> 
> Anybody? Or someone who doesn't know who Richard Stallman and Steve Jobs 
> are? ;-)

Does Canonical count as a software company? I think it does.


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 15:10:52
Message: <47b1fd4c$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> Does Ford keep a few toyotas on the lot for you to test-drive too?

no, but Toyotas and Fords are built from standard industrial mechanical 
components.


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 15:24:35
Message: <47b20083$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:

> no, but Toyotas and Fords are built from standard industrial mechanical 
> components.

So ... I can just simply drop a Ford engine into a Toyota? or use a 
steering wheel from a Corolla in a Focus? I had no idea...


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From: Fredrik Eriksson
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 15:37:01
Message: <op.t6fh7yld7bxctx@e6600.bredbandsbolaget.se>
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:36:05 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I just try not to spend time on things that don't interest me. [I  
> thought everybody else did too...]

The problem is that you seem to be interested in so very few things.


-- 
FE


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 15:59:42
Message: <47b208be@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> 
>> no, but Toyotas and Fords are built from standard industrial 
>> mechanical components.
> 
> So ... I can just simply drop a Ford engine into a Toyota? or use a 
> steering wheel from a Corolla in a Focus? I had no idea...

no, but those are built out of pretty much all the same components.

Like I said about OpenGL, it's not a "competitor's product", it's a 
standard API well known in the industry with several different 
implementations, including from M$.  It's the blueprints of an engine, 
not the engine.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 15:59:55
Message: <47b208cb$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> It's not the "competitors' software", it's an industry-strength API.

It's a floor polish! It's a salad dressing!  But wait, it's both!

Do you think that OpenGL isn't a competitor to DirectX? Do you think 
that DirectX isn't a reason some people buy or develop for Windows?

> They could provider their own implementation,

Like they did with Java, and got sued?

> but regardless of MS participating of
> standards bodies like the W3C, they just choose to turn it down in favour of
> their proprietary incompatible "standards".

Is OpenGL unavailable for Windows?  What, really, is the problem?

> Supporting industry-strength standards should only be a good thing.

They support it. There's a wide difference between "supporting" and 
"providing free as part of a download of a compiler."

> something major players in the industry agreed are a good thing.  It's
> something consumers would agree to be a good thing if only the most used
> platform more actively supported it,

OpenGL runs fine on Windows. It just isn't included by default in MS's 
free compiler download. If you want support for it, buy it.

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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 16:01:35
Message: <47b2092f@news.povray.org>
Darren New escribió:
> Do you think that OpenGL isn't a competitor to DirectX? Do you think 
> that DirectX isn't a reason some people buy or develop for Windows?

No. OpenGL and DirectX can't be compared. OpenGL and Direct3D (one of 
the many components of DirectX), ok that could be :)

</nitpick>


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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 16:50:56
Message: <47b214c0@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> stbenge <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> VC is no small 
>> download, not for those of us still struggling with dialup (I get 24Kpbs 
>> here :(...)
> 
>   Which is exactly why it sounds so stupid to immediately uninstall it
> right after he had downloaded and tested it, and just because of such
> a mundane reason.

It wasn't the only reason.

I had already struggled with the 2005 version, which would not link my 
project because the linker claimed to be unable to resolve a reference 
to one of the Windows API library calls.  This was after following all 
of the instructions that dealt with configuring it to build native 
Windows applications, and I did have the appropriate libraries specified 
in the linking.  I didn't uninstall VC 2005, but I did neglect to 
reinstall it after reinstalling WinXP a few weeks ago.

I later found that MSVC 2008 Express was available, and gave it a try.

After importing my project and attempting a build, it issued warnings 
for stupid things like the fact that an explicit recast might cause a 
loss of precision.  "No!  You're kidding!"

It also issued error messages because it couldn't find the database file 
that it generates for each project.  I went looking for the file, and it 
was right there, where the compiler claimed it couldn't find it.  Looked 
  up the error code in the help feature for possible reasons the 
compiler was denying the existence of a file.  The search feature in 
help couldn't find the error code in the docs.

Then I saw the line that indicated that OpenGL was lacking, and I 
decided at that point that getting the compiler to work wasn't going to 
be worth the trouble.  I probably could have copied the stuff over from 
my Watcom directory, true, but at that point I was getting rather 
annoyed at the whole package.

I might give it another shot on another day, when I have nothing better 
to do, but for now, I'll stick with what works.

Regards,
John


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 17:17:50
Message: <47b21b0e$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> Mike Raiford wrote:
>> nemesis wrote:
>>
>>> no, but Toyotas and Fords are built from standard industrial 
>>> mechanical components.
>>
>> So ... I can just simply drop a Ford engine into a Toyota? or use a 
>> steering wheel from a Corolla in a Focus? I had no idea...
> 
> no, but those are built out of pretty much all the same components.

Steel?  Yeah, I suppose.

> Like I said about OpenGL, it's not a "competitor's product",

Sure it is. Who do you think created it?  Then they opened the standard 
to make it competitive with MS.

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 13 Feb 2008 04:32:18
Message: <47b2b922$1@news.povray.org>
Fredrik Eriksson wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:36:05 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> I just try not to spend time on things that don't interest me. [I 
>> thought everybody else did too...]
> 
> The problem is that you seem to be interested in so very few things.

And this is a "problem" because...?

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 13 Feb 2008 04:34:45
Message: <47b2b9b5@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:

> Seriously, name any other company at all in any product range that 
> pushes other people's products.

Washing machine manufacturers seem awfully keen for you to use a 
particular brand of detergent...

[Similarly for cars and engine oil.]

However, that's clearly not a *competing* product. ;-)

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 13 Feb 2008 04:36:45
Message: <47b2ba2d$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:

>> They could provider their own implementation,
> 
> Like they did with Java, and got sued?

They got sued because they tried to *change* it to deliberately make it 
incompatible. [You know, the whole Embrace, Extend, Extinguish trip.]

> Is OpenGL unavailable for Windows?  What, really, is the problem?

Indeed.

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 13 Feb 2008 04:37:58
Message: <47b2ba76$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:

> I cringe any time I see Orchid display his ignorance.
> 
> World of Warcraft?  what kind of geek are you to not know Blizzard?! 
> they are the id of hack-and-slash games...

Obviously I've heard of WoW. [I'm in a clan full of people who *play* 
it!] I just hadn't heard of the guys who make it, that's all.

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From: Tim Attwood
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 13 Feb 2008 05:28:13
Message: <47b2c63d$1@news.povray.org>
> Do you think that OpenGL isn't a competitor to DirectX? Do you think that 
> DirectX isn't a reason some people buy or develop for Windows?

Or put another way...

Is DirectX available for Linux, for cool games?

Do non-programmers have to recompile every application
they use in Linux?

If GTK2HS binary windows distribution for GHC is
maintained by intermitent Linux volunteers who are having
trouble building for GHC 6.8.2 on Linux, and they just got
done doing a GTK2HS 6.8.1 that works fine, how many
months before they bother with a GTK2HS 6.8.2 for
Windows, even though GHC 6.8.2 is just a bugfix?

Aren't the answers, no, yes, and 3 months+ ?


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From: Tim Attwood
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 13 Feb 2008 05:33:07
Message: <47b2c763$1@news.povray.org>
> Does Ford keep a few toyotas on the lot for you to test-drive too?

Most new car lots keep a small inventory of used trade-in cars
of all makes and models, though they usually go to auction after
a bit.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 13 Feb 2008 06:11:04
Message: <47b2d048@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Fredrik Eriksson wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:36:05 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> I just try not to spend time on things that don't interest me. [I 
> >> thought everybody else did too...]
> > 
> > The problem is that you seem to be interested in so very few things.

> And this is a "problem" because...?

  Because when you express your ignorance about so many things which can
be considered common knowledge, it doesn't give a very favorable image.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 13 Feb 2008 06:19:04
Message: <47b2d228$1@news.povray.org>
>>> The problem is that you seem to be interested in so very few things.
> 
>> And this is a "problem" because...?
> 
>   Because when you express your ignorance about so many things which can
> be considered common knowledge, it doesn't give a very favorable image.

Now that actually made sense...


I wonder how all this common knowledge becomes "common"? I mean, how 
does "everybody" know all this? I guess it's because normal humans talk 
to other people. I generally don't - unless you count this newsgroup. 
Maybe that's the difference?

(Or maybe it's just that unlike normal people, I don't actually care 
about football, pop music, politics, economics, and other things.)

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 13 Feb 2008 07:04:27
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I wonder how all this common knowledge becomes "common"?

  You could start by exploring wikipedia. Start from something which
interests you, for example "Half-Life 2" or "Haskell", and read the
articles and follow the links and read those articles, etc. It can be
great fun and rather informative. :)

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 13 Feb 2008 07:22:53
Message: <47b2e11d$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> I wonder how all this common knowledge becomes "common"?
> 
>   You could start by exploring wikipedia. Start from something which
> interests you, for example "Half-Life 2" or "Haskell", and read the
> articles and follow the links and read those articles, etc. It can be
> great fun and rather informative. :)

And how do you *think* I know that chocolate is poisonus to dogs? ;-)

[Hint: It *wasn't* what I went to look up...]

I think there's a - wait, let me find it - ah yes, there is:

http://www.xkcd.com/214/

I loose count of how many times I've done this. LOL! As a result, I now 
know all sorts of rather useless factiods. Indeed, I watched The 
Eggheads last night, and I got more questions right than they did. [A 
pure fluke, as it happens. Usually they ask questions about Greek 
philosophers or something and I haven't got a clue. But tonight it was 
Latin...]

Oddly, I always seem to end up reading about leathal poisons or powerful 
explosives or how guns work or deadly bacteria or... damn it, if anybody 
is watching my surfing habits, they must think I'm a terrorist by now! :-S

Still, I don't follow every link I see, only the "interesting" ones. As 
a result, I never end up reading about the corporate development of IBM 
or the history of American Independence, but instead reading about 
fractal image compression or the undead cat that that guy studied. [You 
know the guy. I just can't spell his name.]

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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 13 Feb 2008 08:18:07
Message: <47b2ee0f@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> And how do you *think* I know that chocolate is poisonus to dogs? ;-)

it is?!!  oh, Spot, I miss you so much!...

*kiddin*...


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 13 Feb 2008 08:21:13
Message: <47b2eec9$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> And how do you *think* I know that chocolate is poisonus to dogs? ;-)
> 
> it is?!!  oh, Spot, I miss you so much!...

O___O




> *kiddin*...

OMG, dude!

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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 13 Feb 2008 09:33:54
Message: <47b2ffd2$1@news.povray.org>
Tim Attwood escribió:
>> Do you think that OpenGL isn't a competitor to DirectX? Do you think that 
>> DirectX isn't a reason some people buy or develop for Windows?
> 
> Or put another way...
> 
> Is DirectX available for Linux, for cool games?

Yes, that's the whole point of Wine and Cedega.


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 13 Feb 2008 10:33:55
Message: <op.t6gyuonyc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:22:53 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake, saying:

> Warp wrote:
>> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>> I wonder how all this common knowledge becomes "common"?
>>    You could start by exploring wikipedia. Start from something which
>> interests you, for example "Half-Life 2"

I demand a step-by-step account of you playing Half-Life2+Eps1 and 2 on  
your blog!

> I loose count of how many times I've done this. LOL! As a result, I now  
> know all sorts of rather useless factiods. Indeed, I watched The  
> Eggheads last night, and I got more questions right than they did. [A  
> pure fluke, as it happens. Usually they ask questions about Greek  
> philosophers or something and I haven't got a clue. But tonight it was  
> Latin...]

Either that or you were remembering them ;-) (they're running through  
repeats since Dermot left the Beeb). The early ones are fun just for the  
Science round - what animal, plant, part of the body...? Ah yes Science  
take a slab of biology and a slab of zoology fill with botany and very  
lightly sprinkle chemistry, physics, and mathematics on top.

> Oddly, I always seem to end up reading about leathal poisons or powerful  
> explosives or how guns work or deadly bacteria or... damn it, if anybody  
> is watching my surfing habits, they must think I'm a terrorist by now!  
> :-S
>
> Still, I don't follow every link I see, only the "interesting" ones.

At which point we hit recursion. :-)

> As a result, I never end up reading about the corporate development of  
> IBM or the history of American Independence, but instead reading about  
> fractal image compression

Hmm let's see some of my Wikipedia hits - Berlaymont building, Conspiracy  
Theory, Craning, Cyniscism, Eisenstein, Horus, Rise of the Triad. Leading  
of course to others.

> or the undead cat that that guy studied. [You know the guy. I just can't  
> spell his name.]

Oo I know this - it was Giles in Episode 3.2 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 13 Feb 2008 10:37:37
Message: <47b30ec1$1@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:

> I demand a step-by-step account of you playing Half-Life2+Eps1 and 2 on 
> your blog!

Uh... why? It's not like anybody would read it...

>> I loose count of how many times I've done this. LOL! As a result, I 
>> now know all sorts of rather useless factiods. Indeed, I watched The 
>> Eggheads last night, and I got more questions right than they did. [A 
>> pure fluke, as it happens. Usually they ask questions about Greek 
>> philosophers or something and I haven't got a clue. But tonight it was 
>> Latin...]
> 
> Either that or you were remembering them ;-)

Unlikely. I make a point of never, ever watching that pathetic program. 
It's so damn boring. But my mum seems to positively *enjoy* the stupid 
thing...

> (they're running through 
> repeats since Dermot left the Beeb).

He left?

He's called Dermot?

>> Still, I don't follow every link I see, only the "interesting" ones.
> 
> At which point we hit recursion. :-)

Hey, it's functional. ;-)

>> As a result, I never end up reading about the corporate development of 
>> IBM or the history of American Independence, but instead reading about 
>> fractal image compression
> 
> Hmm let's see some of my Wikipedia hits - Berlaymont building, 
> Conspiracy Theory, Craning, Cyniscism, Eisenstein, Horus, Rise of the 
> Triad. Leading of course to others.

Uh... what?

>> or the undead cat that that guy studied. [You know the guy. I just 
>> can't spell his name.]
> 
> Oo I know this - it was Giles in Episode 3.2 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Possibly the silliest episode every...

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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 13 Feb 2008 11:24:42
Message: <47b319ca$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible escribió:
> Phil Cook wrote:
> 
>> I demand a step-by-step account of you playing Half-Life2+Eps1 and 2 
>> on your blog!
> 
> Uh... why? It's not like anybody would read it...
> 

As much as we read your rants on the newsgroup, I guess...


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 13 Feb 2008 11:48:56
Message: <op.t6g2bagcc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:37:37 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>
>> I demand a step-by-step account of you playing Half-Life2+Eps1 and 2 on  
>> your blog!
>
> Uh... why? It's not like anybody would read it...

Ditto Nicolas.

>>> I loose count of how many times I've done this. LOL! As a result, I  
>>> now know all sorts of rather useless factiods. Indeed, I watched The  
>>> Eggheads last night, and I got more questions right than they did. [A  
>>> pure fluke, as it happens. Usually they ask questions about Greek  
>>> philosophers or something and I haven't got a clue. But tonight it was  
>>> Latin...]
>>  Either that or you were remembering them ;-)
>
> Unlikely. I make a point of never, ever watching that pathetic program.  
> It's so damn boring. But my mum seems to positively *enjoy* the stupid  
> thing...

I like quiz programs they make me think, I just didn't like Dermot.

"So at the end of the first round the Challengers have lost one brain and  
the Eggheads none" Yes I know I've just watched that happen, likewise I  
can also detemine that after the first round in a knockout situation the  
scores are going to contain both a 1 and a 0 in some order.

>> (they're running through repeats since Dermot left the Beeb).
>
> He left?

Over the sea to Sky IIRC

> He's called Dermot?

Yes Dermot Murnaghan, or as I kept calling him Dermot McMurnahanrahanrahan  
because he just ticked me off.

>>> Still, I don't follow every link I see, only the "interesting" ones.
>>  At which point we hit recursion. :-)
>
> Hey, it's functional. ;-)

Only in a limited pattern.

>>> As a result, I never end up reading about the corporate development of  
>>> IBM or the history of American Independence, but instead reading about  
>>> fractal image compression
>>  Hmm let's see some of my Wikipedia hits - Berlaymont building,  
>> Conspiracy Theory, Craning, Cyniscism, Eisenstein, Horus, Rise of the  
>> Triad. Leading of course to others.
>
> Uh... what?

Well Berlaymont was because I couldn't recall the name of one of the EU  
buildings, I can't tell you why I was looking at Conspiracy Theory,  
Craning from wfa.org.uk regarding urban exploration, Cyniscism to make a  
point, Eisenstein and Horus from W40k, and Rise of the Triad to refresh my  
memory on something.

>>> or the undead cat that that guy studied. [You know the guy. I just  
>>> can't spell his name.]
>>  Oo I know this - it was Giles in Episode 3.2 of Buffy the Vampire  
>> Slayer.
>
> Possibly the silliest episode every...

"Do you like my mask? Isn't it pretty? It raises the dead... Americans!"

Wait one second you've seen this episode? *You've* watched Buffy the  
Vampire Slayer?

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 13 Feb 2008 12:02:09
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And lo on Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:59:55 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
did spake, saying:

> It's a floor polish! It's a salad dressing!  But wait, it's both!

Have you been buying Heinz Salad Cream?

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