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nemesis wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
>> I always had to use vim
>> to edit the X11 config, wait the the filesystem to sync, and then reboot
>> the PC to exit vim... :-S
>
> God. How about ":q", ":wq" or even the ever popular "ZZ"?
Yeah, a few people suggested that. Tended to end up just typing ":q" in
the file though...
> How about learning a tool before using it?
Well, let's see. I've never seen Unix in my life, and I'm trying to get
it to work. I have no idea what I'm doing, nobody to help me, and no
manual. So at this point, I'm stumbling along as best as I can. [Given
that I've spent 4 entire *days* on it by now.] I was curios, but even my
curiosity has limits. ;-)
Fortunately, things have improved since those days. [Although I have
still yet to figure out vim or emacs.]
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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Probably trying to scale them in same way and ending up with a zero
> denominator somewhere or something daft like that...
but why is the SVG perfect but not the povray export? both are simple text
formats, the numbers in memory should go just as well for one as for the
other...
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nemesis wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> Probably trying to scale them in same way and ending up with a zero
>> denominator somewhere or something daft like that...
>
> but why is the SVG perfect but not the povray export? both are simple text
> formats, the numbers in memory should go just as well for one as for the
> other...
You'd think. But clearly it's trying to process one in a way it's not
processing the other. I don't know, maybe for SVG it outputs the
transformation matrix, but for POV-Ray it tries to *apply* the matrix
and output the transformed results? *shrugs*
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nemesis escribió:
> Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> Probably trying to scale them in same way and ending up with a zero
>> denominator somewhere or something daft like that...
>
> but why is the SVG perfect but not the povray export? both are simple text
> formats, the numbers in memory should go just as well for one as for the
> other...
>
Bugs.
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Orchid XP v7 escribió:
> You'd think. But clearly it's trying to process one in a way it's not
> processing the other. I don't know, maybe for SVG it outputs the
> transformation matrix, but for POV-Ray it tries to *apply* the matrix
> and output the transformed results? *shrugs*
>
Yeah that could be it. It tries to apply the transformation by itself,
since POV-Ray doesn't support that :)
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Yeah that could be it. It tries to apply the transformation by itself,
> since POV-Ray doesn't support that :)
Well, after all, SDL is only a dumb text format that hasn't moved over
to XML yet.
[OK, let me just go hide before Warp beats me to a living pulp! ROFL!]
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you know, this thread should be just called "The Damn Big WTF thread".
Look at the size of the damn thing! People have talked from M$ vs
Linux, hardware compatibility, Inkscape, Mac mouses, wikipedia and
whatever.
WTF?!!
how about moving it to an offtopic newsgroups of its own? ;)
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nemesis wrote:
> you know, this thread should be just called "The Damn Big WTF thread".
> Look at the size of the damn thing! People have talked from M$ vs
> Linux, hardware compatibility, Inkscape, Mac mouses, wikipedia and
> whatever.
>
> WTF?!!
>
> how about moving it to an offtopic newsgroups of its own? ;)
ph33r my thread!
Damn, every time anybody replies, I get a mild case of RSI just
scrolling the damn scroll wheel down to the bottom to find out where the
new post is! o_O
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nemesis escribió:
> you know, this thread should be just called "The Damn Big WTF thread".
> Look at the size of the damn thing! People have talked from M$ vs
> Linux, hardware compatibility, Inkscape, Mac mouses, wikipedia and
> whatever.
>
> WTF?!!
>
> how about moving it to an offtopic newsgroups of its own? ;)
How about doing the right thing and changing the post Subject: field
when the subject actually changes? :)
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Orchid XP v7 escribió:
> nemesis wrote:
>> you know, this thread should be just called "The Damn Big WTF thread".
>> Look at the size of the damn thing! People have talked from M$ vs
>> Linux, hardware compatibility, Inkscape, Mac mouses, wikipedia and
>> whatever.
>>
>> WTF?!!
>>
>> how about moving it to an offtopic newsgroups of its own? ;)
>
> ph33r my thread!
>
> Damn, every time anybody replies, I get a mild case of RSI just
> scrolling the damn scroll wheel down to the bottom to find out where the
> new post is! o_O
>
I just press n (select next unread post).
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> How about doing the right thing and changing the post Subject: field
> when the subject actually changes? :)
I commend the idea to the house!
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:38:21 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>> I always had to use vim
>>> to edit the X11 config, wait the the filesystem to sync, and then
>>> reboot the PC to exit vim... :-S
>>
>> God. How about ":q", ":wq" or even the ever popular "ZZ"?
>
> Yeah, a few people suggested that. Tended to end up just typing ":q" in
> the file though...
>
>> How about learning a tool before using it?
>
> Well, let's see. I've never seen Unix in my life, and I'm trying to get
> it to work. I have no idea what I'm doing, nobody to help me, and no
> manual. So at this point, I'm stumbling along as best as I can. [Given
> that I've spent 4 entire *days* on it by now.] I was curios, but even my
> curiosity has limits. ;-)
>
> Fortunately, things have improved since those days. [Although I have
> still yet to figure out vim or emacs.]
emacs is a waste IMHO (prepare for the flamewar), vim (or vi) is more
than sufficient.
But in vi, you can type :h to get help, or "man vi".
You did manage to work out :q (which presumably would prompt you that you
hadn't saved the changed file) - rebooting seems a bit extreme as a
workaround.
Then of course, there were tons of books on SVRX (and earlier). ;-)
Jim
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:11:58 -0500, nemesis wrote:
> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> I also have odd problems with it coming up with "nan" values for some
>> of the points.
>
> yes, alphaQuad raised that point. I wonder how it can output perfectly
> readable numbers for the points in the SVG and get some of those wrong
> in the povray export...
I wonder that as well. Been meaning to file a bug about it, but I like
to include as much info as I can so it can actually be fixed, and haven't
had time to do the research necessary for a useful bug report.
Jim
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:10:37 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> you know, this thread should be just called "The Damn Big WTF thread".
>> Look at the size of the damn thing! People have talked from M$ vs
>> Linux, hardware compatibility, Inkscape, Mac mouses, wikipedia and
>> whatever.
>>
>> WTF?!!
>>
>> how about moving it to an offtopic newsgroups of its own? ;)
>
> ph33r my thread!
>
> Damn, every time anybody replies, I get a mild case of RSI just
> scrolling the damn scroll wheel down to the bottom to find out where the
> new post is! o_O
Try "n" to go to the next unread message (IIRC, that's the shortcut in
Thunderbird).
Jim
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:18:24 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> nemesis escribió:
>> you know, this thread should be just called "The Damn Big WTF thread".
>> Look at the size of the damn thing! People have talked from M$ vs
>> Linux, hardware compatibility, Inkscape, Mac mouses, wikipedia and
>> whatever.
>>
>> WTF?!!
>>
>> how about moving it to an offtopic newsgroups of its own? ;)
>
> How about doing the right thing and changing the post Subject: field
> when the subject actually changes? :)
That would be too confusing - it is off-topic, after all, so why should
the topic of the post match the subject line? ;-)
Jim
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Jim Henderson escribió:
> emacs is a waste IMHO (prepare for the flamewar), vim (or vi) is more
> than sufficient.
>
> But in vi, you can type :h to get help, or "man vi".
>
> You did manage to work out :q (which presumably would prompt you that you
> hadn't saved the changed file) - rebooting seems a bit extreme as a
> workaround.
>
> Then of course, there were tons of books on SVRX (and earlier). ;-)
>
I use gvim, a bash shell, and gcc for all my development needs. And I'm
on *Windows*...
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> I use gvim, a bash shell, and gcc for all my development needs.
M'ok, fair enough...
> And I'm on *Windows*...
WAH! O__O
*dies*
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Try "n" to go to the next unread message (IIRC, that's the shortcut in
> Thunderbird).
N is for Neato... :-D
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:29:16 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Jim Henderson escribió:
>> emacs is a waste IMHO (prepare for the flamewar), vim (or vi) is more
>> than sufficient.
>>
>> But in vi, you can type :h to get help, or "man vi".
>>
>> You did manage to work out :q (which presumably would prompt you that
>> you hadn't saved the changed file) - rebooting seems a bit extreme as a
>> workaround.
>>
>> Then of course, there were tons of books on SVRX (and earlier). ;-)
>>
>>
> I use gvim, a bash shell, and gcc for all my development needs. And I'm
> on *Windows*...
:-)
Jim
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Jim Henderson escribió:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:18:24 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> How about doing the right thing and changing the post Subject: field
>> when the subject actually changes? :)
>
> That would be too confusing - it is off-topic, after all, so why should
> the topic of the post match the subject line? ;-)
Not confusing - it's done all the time on mailing lists.
http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/thread-subject-change.png
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Orchid XP v7 escribió:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> I use gvim, a bash shell, and gcc for all my development needs.
>
> M'ok, fair enough...
>
>> And I'm on *Windows*...
>
> WAH! O__O
Well, I use Eclipse for Java. But that's the only exception. I use
vim+bash+gcc (MinGW) for C(++). And vim too for PHP, JS, whatever.
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:31:04 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> Try "n" to go to the next unread message (IIRC, that's the shortcut in
>> Thunderbird).
>
> N is for Neato... :-D
See, it does pay to learn how to use the tools? ;-) <again, scnr>
Jim
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:36:13 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Jim Henderson escribió:
>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:18:24 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>>> How about doing the right thing and changing the post Subject: field
>>> when the subject actually changes? :)
>>
>> That would be too confusing - it is off-topic, after all, so why should
>> the topic of the post match the subject line? ;-)
>
> Not confusing - it's done all the time on mailing lists.
That's mailing lists, not newsgroups. Some borken readers thread by
subject. But I was meaning in a more esoteric way it's confusing - it's
off-topic, so at least we're consistent in being off-topic in content vs.
subject. It's a kinda "meta" thing. :-)
> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/thread-subject-change.png
Yeah, this isn't my first online discussion or e-mail list discussion.
Been doing this for many, many years.
Jim
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Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 escribió:
> > Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> >> I use gvim, a bash shell, and gcc for all my development needs.
> >
> > M'ok, fair enough...
> >
> >> And I'm on *Windows*...
> >
> > WAH! O__O
>
> Well, I use Eclipse for Java. But that's the only exception. I use
> vim+bash+gcc (MinGW) for C(++). And vim too for PHP, JS, whatever.
yep, that's a pretty good setup. I only need Emacs when messing around with
Scheme programming. Emacs is made of and for Lisp code...
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Jim Henderson wrote:
>
> True, but they can't know for sure. But IME most technicians at software
> vendors don't have time to spend digging through core files to see what
> confidential data is being leaked. Then again, most of those who do core
> file analysis where I work are highly trusted professionals as well.
I was meaning the boss with "don't send it, it may inhold secret
information" -thoughts.
> Jim
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>>
>> If you miss a hit on a keyboard, it writes wrong letter...
>
> Yeah, but you know what? The keys are all seperate. ;-)
I have to admit, that's true. Doesn't force you to miss a hit with a
touchpad, though :p.
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>
> IIRC, Xconfigurator never worked properly, and I always had to use vim
> to edit the X11 config, wait the the filesystem to sync, and then reboot
> the PC to exit vim... :-S
>
It did for me, for several GFX-cards.
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:41:58 +0200, Eero Ahonen wrote:
>> True, but they can't know for sure. But IME most technicians at
>> software vendors don't have time to spend digging through core files to
>> see what confidential data is being leaked. Then again, most of those
>> who do core file analysis where I work are highly trusted professionals
>> as well.
>
> I was meaning the boss with "don't send it, it may inhold secret
> information" -thoughts.
Well, yes, and I know we see that from time to time - the banking
industry, for example, or the health care industry. That's why in
situations like that, reproducing the problem on a machine that doesn't
house that data is used instead of the actual machine that's crashing.
Jim
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Warp wrote:
> Well, the whole point of Macs is that you don't have to know how
> it works. No wonder salesmen don't either. ;)
Very droll, very droll. :-)
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> The Matrox cards ISTR were fairly fussy about configuration. I think I
> owned one once and swore I'd never go back.
Last time I had one, they supported it by releasing new drivers for new
OSes long after they stopped selling the card. I liked that at least.
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:39:20 -0800, Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> The Matrox cards ISTR were fairly fussy about configuration. I think I
>> owned one once and swore I'd never go back.
>
> Last time I had one, they supported it by releasing new drivers for new
> OSes long after they stopped selling the card. I liked that at least.
That was a cool feature.
Jim
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