On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:15:19 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:

> And lo on Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:27:28 -0000, Jim Henderson
> <nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake, saying:
> 
>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:49:23 +0100, scott wrote:
>>
>>>> Well I don't live in America, do I? :-P
>>>
>>> Didn't they take over Asda in the UK?
>>
>> Yep.  And I hope Asda treats their employees better than they
>> (Wallmart) do over here.
> 
> Fortunately I think the only practice that got transferred over was
> having a greeter on the door.

That's a relief.

Jim

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Jim Henderson escribió:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:31:18 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>> Well, so many applications won't uninstall cleanly. :-S
> 
> One of the *major* problems I have with Windows.

He was talking about Windows.

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:00:11 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> Jim Henderson escribió:
>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:31:18 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>>> Well, so many applications won't uninstall cleanly. :-S
>> 
>> One of the *major* problems I have with Windows.
> 
> He was talking about Windows.

I know, I was agreeing with him.

Jim

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>> Something like 8 years ago, I was manually editing the X11 configuration
>> file to tell it what DAC chip my graphics card has in it... o_O
> 
> That was 8 years ago.  This is now - with OpenSUSE, you use sax2 to do 
> the configuration.

Or just... install OpenSUSE and it instantly works. (Although on my 
laptop I *always* have to tweak the settings to get the picture to fill 
the display...)

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
> As for confidential data being leaked, the core file typically will 
> contain just the crashed program info, but if it's reproducible, you send 
> them a core from a simplified setup.

Content of a file being limited doesn't stop people from thinking what's
inside of it.

> Jim


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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:54:30 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:

>>> Something like 8 years ago, I was manually editing the X11
>>> configuration file to tell it what DAC chip my graphics card has in
>>> it... o_O
>> 
>> That was 8 years ago.  This is now - with OpenSUSE, you use sax2 to do
>> the configuration.
> 
> Or just... install OpenSUSE and it instantly works. (Although on my
> laptop I *always* have to tweak the settings to get the picture to fill
> the display...)

Well, that works as well.  Unless you have an ATI card at present (just 
updated the kernel on this machine, my t42p, and had to reinstall the old 
driver because the new one still doesn't work for me).  But I've got a 
process down now to do that.

Jim

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Bill Pragnell wrote:
> 
> And you know the best thing? On their laptops, tapping the touchpad with
> two fingers instead of just one performs a right-click (I don't think
> this is default behaviour, but it's in the desktop settings - and it's
> genius).

My X performs a middle-click when clicked with two fingers. Much better
for me :).

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:20:48 +0200, Eero Ahonen wrote:

>> As for confidential data being leaked, the core file typically will
>> contain just the crashed program info, but if it's reproducible, you
>> send them a core from a simplified setup.
> 
> Content of a file being limited doesn't stop people from thinking what's
> inside of it.

True, but they can't know for sure.  But IME most technicians at software 
vendors don't have time to spend digging through core files to see what 
confidential data is being leaked.  Then again, most of those who do core 
file analysis where I work are highly trusted professionals as well.

Jim

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Invisible wrote:
>>
>> You must be joking! This sort of behaviour is what makes laptops
>> usable without a mouse.

No, it's what makes a laptop *faster* to use than a desktop.

> On the contrary - this is the number #2 reason for me always plugging a
> mouse in. (#1 is that, obviously, a glide pad is, what, 2 inches square?)

Sigh, learn to use the touchpad :p. What comes for the 2" square,
acceleration is absolutely needed option - fast move, long movement.
Correctly configured touchpad is fast and pretty accurate to use (yes, I
prefer normal mouse too, if I'll need to draw something).

>> Anyway, it's easy to avoid your problem on the Mac because the pointer
>> speed varies non-linearly with finger speed.
> 
> Ah-hah! Another thing I really hate... Makes it easy to move the pointer
> half way across the screen, but almost impossible to aim at a 1-pixel dot.

Wrong. Statically set fast speed would do this, but non-linear
acceleration feature doesn't.

Besides touchpad have "scrolling areas" - when you'll reach the end of
the touchpad, you hold your finger there and the cursor still moves,
until you raise your finger.

> Well, under Windoze the device driver for the glide pad lets you change
> it. I had assumed it's a software thing, but under SUSE the glide pad
> seems to malfunction in exactly the same way, so it must be hardware...

It's configurable also in Linux ;).

>> The other thing I like is scrolling the currently active window by
>> moving two fingers on the touchpad instead of one.

I prefer scrollbar on the side of the touchpad, so one finger is enough.
I'll never have to raise my hands from the keyboard when I'm using
laptop, since the touchpad is fully usable with thumbs (mostly the right
one - middle-click makes also left one needed).

> Ah, yet another thing I really hate about using the glide pad. "Oh, I
> accidentally touched the pad slightly too far to the side, now it thinks
> I want to *scroll* this window rather than point at the one behind it". >_<

If you miss a hit on a keyboard, it writes wrong letter...

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>> Ah, yet another thing I really hate about using the glide pad. "Oh, I
>> accidentally touched the pad slightly too far to the side, now it thinks
>> I want to *scroll* this window rather than point at the one behind it". >_<
> 
> If you miss a hit on a keyboard, it writes wrong letter...

Yeah, but you know what? The keys are all seperate. ;-)

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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> 
> Something like 8 years ago, I was manually editing the X11 configuration
> file to tell it what DAC chip my graphics card has in it... o_O
> 

9 years ago I said "Xconfigurator" and got a curses-based application to
configure my X easily and correctly. Today I mostly use xorgconfig,
which makes you need to know more :p.

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>> Something like 8 years ago, I was manually editing the X11 configuration
>> file to tell it what DAC chip my graphics card has in it... o_O
>>
> 
> 9 years ago I said "Xconfigurator" and got a curses-based application to
> configure my X easily and correctly. Today I mostly use xorgconfig,
> which makes you need to know more :p.

IIRC, Xconfigurator never worked properly, and I always had to use vim 
to edit the X11 config, wait the the filesystem to sync, and then reboot 
the PC to exit vim... :-S

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:00:58 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:

>>> Something like 8 years ago, I was manually editing the X11
>>> configuration file to tell it what DAC chip my graphics card has in
>>> it... o_O
>>>
>>>
>> 9 years ago I said "Xconfigurator" and got a curses-based application
>> to configure my X easily and correctly. Today I mostly use xorgconfig,
>> which makes you need to know more :p.
> 
> IIRC, Xconfigurator never worked properly, and I always had to use vim
> to edit the X11 config, wait the the filesystem to sync, and then reboot
> the PC to exit vim... :-S

Odd, I never had those problems with Xconfigurator myself...

Jim

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>> IIRC, Xconfigurator never worked properly, and I always had to use vim
>> to edit the X11 config, wait the the filesystem to sync, and then reboot
>> the PC to exit vim... :-S
> 
> Odd, I never had those problems with Xconfigurator myself...

I'm just trying to remember exactly what video card I was trying to 
configure... Something obscure. It's not S3 or ATI or nVidia or 
anything. Hmm, what was it called? Might have been a Matrox of some 
kind, I don't recall now.

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:05:24 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:

>>> IIRC, Xconfigurator never worked properly, and I always had to use vim
>>> to edit the X11 config, wait the the filesystem to sync, and then
>>> reboot the PC to exit vim... :-S
>> 
>> Odd, I never had those problems with Xconfigurator myself...
> 
> I'm just trying to remember exactly what video card I was trying to
> configure... Something obscure. It's not S3 or ATI or nVidia or
> anything. Hmm, what was it called? Might have been a Matrox of some
> kind, I don't recall now.

The Matrox cards ISTR were fairly fussy about configuration. I think I 
owned one once and swore I'd never go back.

Jim

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:06:56 -0500, Jim Henderson wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:05:24 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> 
>>>> IIRC, Xconfigurator never worked properly, and I always had to use
>>>> vim to edit the X11 config, wait the the filesystem to sync, and then
>>>> reboot the PC to exit vim... :-S
>>> 
>>> Odd, I never had those problems with Xconfigurator myself...
>> 
>> I'm just trying to remember exactly what video card I was trying to
>> configure... Something obscure. It's not S3 or ATI or nVidia or
>> anything. Hmm, what was it called? Might have been a Matrox of some
>> kind, I don't recall now.
> 
> The Matrox cards ISTR were fairly fussy about configuration. I think I
> owned one once and swore I'd never go back.

go back to buy another one, that is.

Jim

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> I also have odd problems with it coming up with "nan" values for some of
> the points.

yes, alphaQuad raised that point.  I wonder how it can output perfectly readable
numbers for the points in the SVG and get some of those wrong in the povray
export...

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nemesis wrote:
> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> I also have odd problems with it coming up with "nan" values for some of
>> the points.
> 
> yes, alphaQuad raised that point.  I wonder how it can output perfectly readable
> numbers for the points in the SVG and get some of those wrong in the povray
> export...

Probably trying to scale them in same way and ending up with a zero 
denominator somewhere or something daft like that...

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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I always had to use vim
> to edit the X11 config, wait the the filesystem to sync, and then reboot
> the PC to exit vim... :-S

God. How about ":q", ":wq" or even the ever popular "ZZ"?

How about learning a tool before using it?

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nemesis wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> I always had to use vim
>> to edit the X11 config, wait the the filesystem to sync, and then reboot
>> the PC to exit vim... :-S
> 
> God. How about ":q", ":wq" or even the ever popular "ZZ"?

Yeah, a few people suggested that. Tended to end up just typing ":q" in 
the file though...

> How about learning a tool before using it?

Well, let's see. I've never seen Unix in my life, and I'm trying to get 
it to work. I have no idea what I'm doing, nobody to help me, and no 
manual. So at this point, I'm stumbling along as best as I can. [Given 
that I've spent 4 entire *days* on it by now.] I was curios, but even my 
curiosity has limits. ;-)

Fortunately, things have improved since those days. [Although I have 
still yet to figure out vim or emacs.]

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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Probably trying to scale them in same way and ending up with a zero
> denominator somewhere or something daft like that...

but why is the SVG perfect but not the povray export?  both are simple text
formats, the numbers in memory should go just as well for one as for the
other...

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nemesis wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> Probably trying to scale them in same way and ending up with a zero
>> denominator somewhere or something daft like that...
> 
> but why is the SVG perfect but not the povray export?  both are simple text
> formats, the numbers in memory should go just as well for one as for the
> other...

You'd think. But clearly it's trying to process one in a way it's not 
processing the other. I don't know, maybe for SVG it outputs the 
transformation matrix, but for POV-Ray it tries to *apply* the matrix 
and output the transformed results? *shrugs*

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nemesis escribió:
> Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> Probably trying to scale them in same way and ending up with a zero
>> denominator somewhere or something daft like that...
> 
> but why is the SVG perfect but not the povray export?  both are simple text
> formats, the numbers in memory should go just as well for one as for the
> other...
> 

Bugs.

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Orchid XP v7 escribió:
> You'd think. But clearly it's trying to process one in a way it's not 
> processing the other. I don't know, maybe for SVG it outputs the 
> transformation matrix, but for POV-Ray it tries to *apply* the matrix 
> and output the transformed results? *shrugs*
> 

Yeah that could be it. It tries to apply the transformation by itself, 
since POV-Ray doesn't support that :)

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> Yeah that could be it. It tries to apply the transformation by itself, 
> since POV-Ray doesn't support that :)

Well, after all, SDL is only a dumb text format that hasn't moved over 
to XML yet.

[OK, let me just go hide before Warp beats me to a living pulp! ROFL!]

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you know, this thread should be just called "The Damn Big WTF thread". 
Look at the size of the damn thing!  People have talked from M$ vs 
Linux, hardware compatibility, Inkscape, Mac mouses, wikipedia and 
whatever.

WTF?!!

how about moving it to an offtopic newsgroups of its own? ;)

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nemesis wrote:
> you know, this thread should be just called "The Damn Big WTF thread". 
> Look at the size of the damn thing!  People have talked from M$ vs 
> Linux, hardware compatibility, Inkscape, Mac mouses, wikipedia and 
> whatever.
> 
> WTF?!!
> 
> how about moving it to an offtopic newsgroups of its own? ;)

ph33r my thread!

Damn, every time anybody replies, I get a mild case of RSI just 
scrolling the damn scroll wheel down to the bottom to find out where the 
new post is! o_O

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nemesis escribió:
> you know, this thread should be just called "The Damn Big WTF thread". 
> Look at the size of the damn thing!  People have talked from M$ vs 
> Linux, hardware compatibility, Inkscape, Mac mouses, wikipedia and 
> whatever.
> 
> WTF?!!
> 
> how about moving it to an offtopic newsgroups of its own? ;)

How about doing the right thing and changing the post Subject: field 
when the subject actually changes? :)

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Orchid XP v7 escribió:
> nemesis wrote:
>> you know, this thread should be just called "The Damn Big WTF thread". 
>> Look at the size of the damn thing!  People have talked from M$ vs 
>> Linux, hardware compatibility, Inkscape, Mac mouses, wikipedia and 
>> whatever.
>>
>> WTF?!!
>>
>> how about moving it to an offtopic newsgroups of its own? ;)
> 
> ph33r my thread!
> 
> Damn, every time anybody replies, I get a mild case of RSI just 
> scrolling the damn scroll wheel down to the bottom to find out where the 
> new post is! o_O
> 

I just press n (select next unread post).

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> How about doing the right thing and changing the post Subject: field 
> when the subject actually changes? :)

I commend the idea to the house!

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:38:21 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:

> nemesis wrote:
>> Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>> I always had to use vim
>>> to edit the X11 config, wait the the filesystem to sync, and then
>>> reboot the PC to exit vim... :-S
>> 
>> God. How about ":q", ":wq" or even the ever popular "ZZ"?
> 
> Yeah, a few people suggested that. Tended to end up just typing ":q" in
> the file though...
> 
>> How about learning a tool before using it?
> 
> Well, let's see. I've never seen Unix in my life, and I'm trying to get
> it to work. I have no idea what I'm doing, nobody to help me, and no
> manual. So at this point, I'm stumbling along as best as I can. [Given
> that I've spent 4 entire *days* on it by now.] I was curios, but even my
> curiosity has limits. ;-)
> 
> Fortunately, things have improved since those days. [Although I have
> still yet to figure out vim or emacs.]

emacs is a waste IMHO (prepare for the flamewar), vim (or vi) is more 
than sufficient.

But in vi, you can type :h to get help, or "man vi".

You did manage to work out :q (which presumably would prompt you that you 
hadn't saved the changed file) - rebooting seems a bit extreme as a 
workaround.

Then of course, there were tons of books on SVRX (and earlier). ;-)

Jim

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:11:58 -0500, nemesis wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> I also have odd problems with it coming up with "nan" values for some
>> of the points.
> 
> yes, alphaQuad raised that point.  I wonder how it can output perfectly
> readable numbers for the points in the SVG and get some of those wrong
> in the povray export...

I wonder that as well.  Been meaning to file a bug about it, but I like 
to include as much info as I can so it can actually be fixed, and haven't 
had time to do the research necessary for a useful bug report.

Jim

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:10:37 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:

> nemesis wrote:
>> you know, this thread should be just called "The Damn Big WTF thread".
>> Look at the size of the damn thing!  People have talked from M$ vs
>> Linux, hardware compatibility, Inkscape, Mac mouses, wikipedia and
>> whatever.
>> 
>> WTF?!!
>> 
>> how about moving it to an offtopic newsgroups of its own? ;)
> 
> ph33r my thread!
> 
> Damn, every time anybody replies, I get a mild case of RSI just
> scrolling the damn scroll wheel down to the bottom to find out where the
> new post is! o_O

Try "n" to go to the next unread message (IIRC, that's the shortcut in 
Thunderbird).

Jim

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:18:24 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> nemesis escribió:
>> you know, this thread should be just called "The Damn Big WTF thread".
>> Look at the size of the damn thing!  People have talked from M$ vs
>> Linux, hardware compatibility, Inkscape, Mac mouses, wikipedia and
>> whatever.
>> 
>> WTF?!!
>> 
>> how about moving it to an offtopic newsgroups of its own? ;)
> 
> How about doing the right thing and changing the post Subject: field
> when the subject actually changes? :)

That would be too confusing - it is off-topic, after all, so why should 
the topic of the post match the subject line? ;-)

Jim

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Jim Henderson escribió:
> emacs is a waste IMHO (prepare for the flamewar), vim (or vi) is more 
> than sufficient.
> 
> But in vi, you can type :h to get help, or "man vi".
> 
> You did manage to work out :q (which presumably would prompt you that you 
> hadn't saved the changed file) - rebooting seems a bit extreme as a 
> workaround.
> 
> Then of course, there were tons of books on SVRX (and earlier). ;-)
> 

I use gvim, a bash shell, and gcc for all my development needs. And I'm 
on *Windows*...

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> I use gvim, a bash shell, and gcc for all my development needs.

M'ok, fair enough...

> And I'm on *Windows*...

WAH! O__O

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Jim Henderson wrote:

> Try "n" to go to the next unread message (IIRC, that's the shortcut in 
> Thunderbird).

N is for Neato... :-D

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:29:16 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> Jim Henderson escribió:
>> emacs is a waste IMHO (prepare for the flamewar), vim (or vi) is more
>> than sufficient.
>> 
>> But in vi, you can type :h to get help, or "man vi".
>> 
>> You did manage to work out :q (which presumably would prompt you that
>> you hadn't saved the changed file) - rebooting seems a bit extreme as a
>> workaround.
>> 
>> Then of course, there were tons of books on SVRX (and earlier). ;-)
>> 
>> 
> I use gvim, a bash shell, and gcc for all my development needs. And I'm
> on *Windows*...

:-)

Jim

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Jim Henderson escribió:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:18:24 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> How about doing the right thing and changing the post Subject: field
>> when the subject actually changes? :)
> 
> That would be too confusing - it is off-topic, after all, so why should 
> the topic of the post match the subject line? ;-)

Not confusing - it's done all the time on mailing lists.

http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/thread-subject-change.png

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Orchid XP v7 escribió:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> I use gvim, a bash shell, and gcc for all my development needs.
 >
> M'ok, fair enough...
> 
>> And I'm on *Windows*...
> 
> WAH! O__O

Well, I use Eclipse for Java. But that's the only exception. I use 
vim+bash+gcc (MinGW) for C(++). And vim too for PHP, JS, whatever.

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:31:04 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> Try "n" to go to the next unread message (IIRC, that's the shortcut in
>> Thunderbird).
> 
> N is for Neato... :-D

See, it does pay to learn how to use the tools? ;-) <again, scnr>

Jim

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:36:13 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> Jim Henderson escribió:
>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:18:24 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>>> How about doing the right thing and changing the post Subject: field
>>> when the subject actually changes? :)
>> 
>> That would be too confusing - it is off-topic, after all, so why should
>> the topic of the post match the subject line? ;-)
> 
> Not confusing - it's done all the time on mailing lists.

That's mailing lists, not newsgroups.  Some borken readers thread by 
subject.  But I was meaning in a more esoteric way it's confusing - it's 
off-topic, so at least we're consistent in being off-topic in content vs. 
subject.  It's a kinda "meta" thing. :-)

> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/thread-subject-change.png

Yeah, this isn't my first online discussion or e-mail list discussion.  
Been doing this for many, many years.

Jim

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Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 escribió:
> > Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> >> I use gvim, a bash shell, and gcc for all my development needs.
>  >
> > M'ok, fair enough...
> >
> >> And I'm on *Windows*...
> >
> > WAH! O__O
>
> Well, I use Eclipse for Java. But that's the only exception. I use
> vim+bash+gcc (MinGW) for C(++). And vim too for PHP, JS, whatever.

yep, that's a pretty good setup.  I only need Emacs when messing around with
Scheme programming.  Emacs is made of and for Lisp code...

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
> True, but they can't know for sure.  But IME most technicians at software 
> vendors don't have time to spend digging through core files to see what 
> confidential data is being leaked.  Then again, most of those who do core 
> file analysis where I work are highly trusted professionals as well.

I was meaning the boss with "don't send it, it may inhold secret
information" -thoughts.

> Jim


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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>>
>> If you miss a hit on a keyboard, it writes wrong letter...
> 
> Yeah, but you know what? The keys are all seperate. ;-)

I have to admit, that's true. Doesn't force you to miss a hit with a
touchpad, though :p.

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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> 
> IIRC, Xconfigurator never worked properly, and I always had to use vim
> to edit the X11 config, wait the the filesystem to sync, and then reboot
> the PC to exit vim... :-S
> 

It did for me, for several GFX-cards.

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:41:58 +0200, Eero Ahonen wrote:

>> True, but they can't know for sure.  But IME most technicians at
>> software vendors don't have time to spend digging through core files to
>> see what confidential data is being leaked.  Then again, most of those
>> who do core file analysis where I work are highly trusted professionals
>> as well.
> 
> I was meaning the boss with "don't send it, it may inhold secret
> information" -thoughts.

Well, yes, and I know we see that from time to time - the banking 
industry, for example, or the health care industry.  That's why in 
situations like that, reproducing the problem on a machine that doesn't 
house that data is used instead of the actual machine that's crashing.

Jim

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Warp wrote:
>   Well, the whole point of Macs is that you don't have to know how
> it works. No wonder salesmen don't either. ;)

Very droll, very droll. :-)

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   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> The Matrox cards ISTR were fairly fussy about configuration. I think I 
> owned one once and swore I'd never go back.

Last time I had one, they supported it by releasing new drivers for new 
OSes long after they stopped selling the card. I liked that at least.

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   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:39:20 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> The Matrox cards ISTR were fairly fussy about configuration. I think I
>> owned one once and swore I'd never go back.
> 
> Last time I had one, they supported it by releasing new drivers for new
> OSes long after they stopped selling the card. I liked that at least.

That was a cool feature.

Jim

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