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It all started with blackouts. No, it wasn't the power company. The PC would
spontaneously reset itself. It became more and more frequent. then it
wouldn't start up again unless I unplugged the power cable. Soon the PC
started crashing while Windows was loading.. . and after that all I could
get was CMOS. and then I couldn't even get the PC switched on.... After
removing the CMOS battery for a couple of minutes I could switch on the PC
again. With Windows badly damaged I had to reformat the HDD and reinstall
Windows a couple of times. Every time I install Windows it works fine for a
while and then starts crashing untill I can't start the PC up anymore. Last
night I tried installing Linux and it crashed with 20minutes of install
remaining.
I can't afford a new PC at the moment at all, so is there anything I can do?
I have a Athlon XP 2400 Socket A using the onboard 128Mb SiS graphics card
and a 250W power supply.
--
-Nekar Xenos-
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On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:52:50 +0200, "Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmail com> wrote:
>I can't afford a new PC at the moment at all, so is there anything I can do?
That does not sound good.
You could take it to a pc repair shop or start replacing components yourself.
But you could end up rebuilding it completely if you do that. For a start I
would reseat everything, look at the PCBs for dry joints and overheating. If
you're not technical the first option is safer. If you do it yourself be
prepared for a lot of pain :)
Regards
Stephen
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"Stephen" <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:52:50 +0200, "Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom>
> wrote:
>
>>I can't afford a new PC at the moment at all, so is there anything I can
>>do?
>
> That does not sound good.
> You could take it to a pc repair shop or start replacing components
> yourself.
I was hoping maybe some-one had had the same symptoms might be able to
diagnose the problem more quickly. :)
> But you could end up rebuilding it completely if you do that. For a start
> I
> would reseat everything, look at the PCBs for
>dry joints
:(
>and overheating. If
> you're not technical the first option is safer. If you do it yourself be
> prepared for a lot of pain :)
>
:S
--
-Nekar Xenos-
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Nekar Xenos wrote:
>
> I can't afford a new PC at the moment at all, so is there anything I can do?
Check the capacitors at the motherboard and replace the faulty ones.
This one's OK:
http://www.edu.helsinki.fi/malu/kirjasto/mbl/sahko/elektrolyyttikonnsaattorin_purku.gif
and this one is not:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/whurd/Bad.jpg
See the top - at the last picture it's "growing". They also can even leak:
http://www.asti-usa.com/support/appnotes/65.html (pictures at the end of
the document)
> I have a Athlon XP 2400 Socket A using the onboard 128Mb SiS graphics card
> and a 250W power supply.
Sounds like the timing (motherboard's age) could hit the end of the
latest worst season of capacitors.
--
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
http://www.zbxt.net
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Nekar Xenos wrote:
> It all started with blackouts. No, it wasn't the power company. The PC would
> spontaneously reset itself.
Which OS?
By default, Windows XP doesn't display the Blue Screen of Death, it just
instantly reboots.
> It became more and more frequent. then it
> wouldn't start up again unless I unplugged the power cable.
I've seen that a few times. It's *usually* a motherboard fault. (Not
always.)
> Soon the PC
> started crashing while Windows was loading.. . and after that all I could
> get was CMOS. and then I couldn't even get the PC switched on.... After
> removing the CMOS battery for a couple of minutes I could switch on the PC
> again.
Yeah, sounds like a motherboard fault of some kind. Diagnosing exactly
what is going to be lots of fun...
> With Windows badly damaged I had to reformat the HDD and reinstall
> Windows a couple of times. Every time I install Windows it works fine for a
> while and then starts crashing untill I can't start the PC up anymore. Last
> night I tried installing Linux and it crashed with 20minutes of install
> remaining.
Have you tried running a memory test? There's a small possibility that
might be the cause - although I doubt it - but if it is, that's easier
to fix than replacing the whole motherboard.
> I can't afford a new PC at the moment at all, so is there anything I can do?
Replace the motherboard with something that's compatible with your
existing stuff - if you can find such a board...
--
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>
> Have you tried running a memory test? There's a small possibility that
> might be the cause - although I doubt it - but if it is, that's easier
> to fix than replacing the whole motherboard.
In case of memory fault it is needed to also remember the possibility of
malfunctioning memory controller. So if Nekar will get new memory
modules, my advice would be to make sure they can be returned, if the
fault won't go away.
--
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
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Nekar Xenos wrote:
> It all started with blackouts. No, it wasn't the power company. The PC would
> spontaneously reset itself. It became more and more frequent. then it
> wouldn't start up again unless I unplugged the power cable. Soon the PC
> started crashing while Windows was loading.. . and after that all I could
> get was CMOS. and then I couldn't even get the PC switched on.... After
> removing the CMOS battery for a couple of minutes I could switch on the PC
> again. With Windows badly damaged I had to reformat the HDD and reinstall
> Windows a couple of times. Every time I install Windows it works fine for a
> while and then starts crashing untill I can't start the PC up anymore. Last
> night I tried installing Linux and it crashed with 20minutes of install
> remaining.
>
> I can't afford a new PC at the moment at all, so is there anything I can do?
>
> I have a Athlon XP 2400 Socket A using the onboard 128Mb SiS graphics card
> and a 250W power supply.
If an OS install crashes where before it did not, you have a hardware
problem. Since the symptoms are relived by a successful OS install, the
problem involves a gradual corruption of the hard drive's contents,
which could be caused by bad memory, bad CPU, or a bad MB.
We can't really troubleshoot your problem through newsgroup messages, so
you'll have to take it to a technician.
Regards,
John
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"Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
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>
> I was hoping maybe some-one had had the same symptoms might be able to
> diagnose the problem more quickly. :)
If you live anywhere near Randburg, take it to Zaps at Brightwater. They're
pretty good.
It could be the power supply's fried. I had similar symptons with a work
PC - random reboots. Could also be something gone toast on the motherboard.
Have you been having a lot of power cuts? They're hell on computers,
especially if mains surges as it comes back (not unusual)
If you don't have a UPS, even a small 5 minute one, get one. It will
probably save you a lot of money over the next few years.
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:52:50 +0200, Nekar Xenos wrote:
> It all started with blackouts. No, it wasn't the power company. The PC
> would spontaneously reset itself. It became more and more frequent. then
> it wouldn't start up again unless I unplugged the power cable. Soon the
> PC started crashing while Windows was loading.. . and after that all I
> could get was CMOS. and then I couldn't even get the PC switched on....
> After removing the CMOS battery for a couple of minutes I could switch
> on the PC again. With Windows badly damaged I had to reformat the HDD
> and reinstall Windows a couple of times. Every time I install Windows it
> works fine for a while and then starts crashing untill I can't start the
> PC up anymore. Last night I tried installing Linux and it crashed with
> 20minutes of install remaining.
>
> I can't afford a new PC at the moment at all, so is there anything I can
> do?
>
> I have a Athlon XP 2400 Socket A using the onboard 128Mb SiS graphics
> card and a 250W power supply.
Disassemble the machine, clean it very thoroughly, and put it back
together.
I had a machine that was behaving similarly and it turned out that there
was something shorting something out on the system board (best guess);
giving it a good vacuum fixed it - haven't had a problem since.
Jim
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Nekar Xenos wrote:
> I can't afford a new PC at the moment at all, so is there anything I can do?
I had the same sort of problems with my HP machine. Then, after a while
of increasingly frustrating crashes and inability to see the keyboard
after booting and such, it made a little squeak and a puff of smoke, and
the power supply needed to be replaced.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
On what day did God create the body thetans?
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My old Pentium IV had started having problems powering on. Pressing the
power button caused a mere flash on the "HDD" and "On" LEDs. Workaround:
unplugging, waiting a few seconds, plugging back, pressing On again.
Sometimes twice, sometimes three times, sometimes took up to ten tries
until it finally decided to start. Then one day I got tired of trying
and it refused to start.
Solution was a power supply replacement.
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On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:16:55 +0200, "Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>
>I was hoping maybe some-one had had the same symptoms might be able to
>diagnose the problem more quickly. :)
Certainly worth trying, you never know :)
But you know this group. Never solve a person's problems but help them to solve
them, themself. :)
It sounds to me you need hands on help.
Regards
Stephen
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John VanSickle wrote:
>> I can't afford a new PC at the moment at all, so is there anything I
>> can do?
>>
>> I have a Athlon XP 2400 Socket A using the onboard 128Mb SiS graphics
>> card and a 250W power supply.
>
> If an OS install crashes where before it did not, you have a hardware
> problem. Since the symptoms are relived by a successful OS install, the
> problem involves a gradual corruption of the hard drive's contents,
> which could be caused by bad memory, bad CPU, or a bad MB.
Or power supply, or the electronics of the HDD. Maybe was the power
supply and it damaged other components in the PC since is delivering
voltages and amperages out of range, hence the scaling malfunctioning.
Maybe is one or more fans in the PC(including the one(s) in the power
supply), are they running ok?
> We can't really troubleshoot your problem through newsgroup messages, so
> you'll have to take it to a technician.
>
> Regards,
> John
Exactly my thoughts, if you're not one or have experience
troubleshooting PC problems do as John said and take it to a technician.
You need a careful diagnose by a qualified person to trouble shoot every
problem.
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Saul Luizaga wrote:
Most if not all the suggestions everyone did in this thread I think they
are good too.
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"Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:47ad9148$1@news.povray.org...
> Nekar Xenos wrote:
> > It all started with blackouts. No, it wasn't the power company. The PC
would
> > spontaneously reset itself.
>
> Which OS?
Windows XP SP2, WinXP 2002, Fedora Core 6 installation.
>
> By default, Windows XP doesn't display the Blue Screen of Death, it just
> instantly reboots.
>
> > It became more and more frequent. then it
> > wouldn't start up again unless I unplugged the power cable.
>
> I've seen that a few times. It's *usually* a motherboard fault. (Not
> always.)
>
> > Soon the PC
> > started crashing while Windows was loading.. . and after that all I
could
> > get was CMOS. and then I couldn't even get the PC switched on.... After
> > removing the CMOS battery for a couple of minutes I could switch on the
PC
> > again.
>
> Yeah, sounds like a motherboard fault of some kind. Diagnosing exactly
> what is going to be lots of fun...
>
Looks like it is the feared motherboard now. :(
> > With Windows badly damaged I had to reformat the HDD and reinstall
> > Windows a couple of times. Every time I install Windows it works fine
for a
> > while and then starts crashing untill I can't start the PC up anymore.
Last
> > night I tried installing Linux and it crashed with 20minutes of install
> > remaining.
>
> Have you tried running a memory test? There's a small possibility that
> might be the cause - although I doubt it - but if it is, that's easier
> to fix than replacing the whole motherboard.
>
Memory test was fine every time...
> > I can't afford a new PC at the moment at all, so is there anything I can
do?
>
> Replace the motherboard with something that's compatible with your
> existing stuff - if you can find such a board...
>
And if I can find one, I can't be sure it's in a good condition...
:(
-Nekar
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"Eero Ahonen" <aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote in message
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> Nekar Xenos wrote:
> >
> > I can't afford a new PC at the moment at all, so is there anything I can
do?
>
> Check the capacitors at the motherboard and replace the faulty ones.
>
> This one's OK:
>
http://www.edu.helsinki.fi/malu/kirjasto/mbl/sahko/elektrolyyttikonnsaattori
n_purku.gif
>
> and this one is not:
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/whurd/Bad.jpg
Most of them look like the last one.... :(
At least they're not leaking ;S
>
> See the top - at the last picture it's "growing". They also can even leak:
> http://www.asti-usa.com/support/appnotes/65.html (pictures at the end of
> the document)
>
> > I have a Athlon XP 2400 Socket A using the onboard 128Mb SiS graphics
card
> > and a 250W power supply.
>
> Sounds like the timing (motherboard's age) could hit the end of the
> latest worst season of capacitors.
>
Dust to dust.... :;(
-Nekar
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Nekar escribió:
> "Eero Ahonen" <aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote in message
> news:47ad8fc7$1@news.povray.org...
>> This one's OK:
>>
> http://www.edu.helsinki.fi/malu/kirjasto/mbl/sahko/elektrolyyttikonnsaattori
> n_purku.gif
>> and this one is not:
>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/whurd/Bad.jpg
>
> Most of them look like the last one.... :(
Most?? Ouch...
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Nekar wrote:
>> and this one is not:
>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/whurd/Bad.jpg
>
> Most of them look like the last one.... :(
>
> At least they're not leaking ;S
>
Bingo! If you have any friends who has electronic as a hobby, now is a
good time to ask for some help ;). Capacitors are usually pretty cheap
(whole set should cost less than half of a motherboard) and they are
actually one of the easiest parts to change, so 'bout anyone with even
slight experience of electronics should be able to do the job.
>
> -Nekar
>
--
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Bingo! If you have any friends who has electronic as a hobby, now is a
> good time to ask for some help ;). Capacitors are usually pretty cheap
> (whole set should cost less than half of a motherboard) and they are
> actually one of the easiest parts to change, so 'bout anyone with even
> slight experience of electronics should be able to do the job.
Uh... on a normal circuit board, sure. But aren't motherboard usually
multi-layered?
--
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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"Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
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> I have a Athlon XP 2400 Socket A using the onboard 128Mb SiS
> graphics card and a 250W power supply.
>
Power supply. Get a new one (I reccomend Sparkle brand) of at
least 300W.
This is an easy install you can do yourself.
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:46:14 +0100, Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Eero Ahonen wrote:
>
>> Bingo! If you have any friends who has electronic as a hobby, now is a
>> good time to ask for some help ;). Capacitors are usually pretty cheap
>> (whole set should cost less than half of a motherboard) and they are
>> actually one of the easiest parts to change, so 'bout anyone with even
>> slight experience of electronics should be able to do the job.
>
> Uh... on a normal circuit board, sure. But aren't motherboard usually
> multi-layered?
Indeed. You need more than just slight experience to avoid ripping the
tracks to hell. Far less hassle to just get a new board, and not all that
expensive either assuming you can find one (they sell for about €50 here).
--
FE
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>
> Uh... on a normal circuit board, sure. But aren't motherboard usually
> multi-layered?
>
Yes, but it's still not as hard as one might think - it just needs a
stable hand and and careful working.
--
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:36:41 +0200, Eero Ahonen
<aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote:
>Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>>
>> Uh... on a normal circuit board, sure. But aren't motherboard usually
>> multi-layered?
>>
>
>Yes, but it's still not as hard as one might think - it just needs a
>stable hand and and careful working.
And a good solder sucker :)
Regards
Stephen
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Eero Ahonen wrote:
>
>> Bingo! If you have any friends who has electronic as a hobby, now is a
>> good time to ask for some help ;). Capacitors are usually pretty cheap
>> (whole set should cost less than half of a motherboard) and they are
>> actually one of the easiest parts to change, so 'bout anyone with even
>> slight experience of electronics should be able to do the job.
>
> Uh... on a normal circuit board, sure. But aren't motherboard usually
> multi-layered?
>
If they are thru-hole they are no different than the 'normal' circuit
board you mention.
Tom
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Tom Austin wrote:
>> Uh... on a normal circuit board, sure. But aren't motherboard usually
>> multi-layered?
>>
>
> If they are thru-hole they are no different than the 'normal' circuit
> board you mention.
Mmm, yeah, thinking about it, either the legs go all the way through and
solder on the reverse side, or they solder onto the top surface. Either
way, should be doable in principle...
--
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:25:49 +0000, Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>Mmm, yeah, thinking about it, either the legs go all the way through and
>solder on the reverse side, or they solder onto the top surface. Either
>way, should be doable in principle...
And practice
Regards
Stephen
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pan wrote:
> "Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
> news:47ad5bd1@news.povray.org...
>> I have a Athlon XP 2400 Socket A using the onboard 128Mb SiS
>> graphics card and a 250W power supply.
>>
> Power supply. Get a new one (I reccomend Sparkle brand) of at
> least 300W.
> This is an easy install you can do yourself.
>
>
550W Power Supplies are common these days, don't they? unless is not the
case in your city.
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Tom Austin wrote:
>
>>> Uh... on a normal circuit board, sure. But aren't motherboard usually
>>> multi-layered?
>>>
>>
>> If they are thru-hole they are no different than the 'normal' circuit
>> board you mention.
>
> Mmm, yeah, thinking about it, either the legs go all the way through and
> solder on the reverse side, or they solder onto the top surface.
The first one.
> Either
> way, should be doable in principle...
is easy, trust me, if the capacitors are normal sized, not the
millimetric ones.
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"Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote in message
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> Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>> Tom Austin wrote:
>>
>>>> Uh... on a normal circuit board, sure. But aren't motherboard usually
>>>> multi-layered?
>>>>
>>>
>>> If they are thru-hole they are no different than the 'normal' circuit
>>> board you mention.
>>
>> Mmm, yeah, thinking about it, either the legs go all the way through and
>> solder on the reverse side, or they solder onto the top surface.
>
> The first one.
>
>> Either way, should be doable in principle...
> is easy, trust me, if the capacitors are normal sized, not the millimetric
> ones.
They are normal sized. maybe I should get a soldering iron...
--
-Nekar Xenos-
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"Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote in message
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> pan wrote:
>> "Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
>> news:47ad5bd1@news.povray.org...
>>> I have a Athlon XP 2400 Socket A using the onboard 128Mb SiS graphics
>>> card and a 250W power supply.
>>>
>> Power supply. Get a new one (I reccomend Sparkle brand) of at
>> least 300W.
>> This is an easy install you can do yourself.
>>
>>
> 550W Power Supplies are common these days, don't they? unless is not the
> case in your city.
The powersocket on my motherboard only has 20 pins. The new ones have 24
pins so I'll have to see if I can get a 20pin powersupply.
From everything I've gathered here it seems it was the power supply that
damaged my motherboard. So I'm going to try and get a new power supply with
lots of Watts and see if I can replace those capacitors.
Thanx to everyone who threw in their bit.
--
-Nekar Xenos-
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:58:14 +0100, Nekar Xenos <nek### [at] gmailcom>
wrote:
> The powersocket on my motherboard only has 20 pins. The new ones have 24
> pins so I'll have to see if I can get a 20pin powersupply.
The extra 4 pins are generally detachable for backwards compatibility.
> From everything I've gathered here it seems it was the power supply that
> damaged my motherboard.
Not necessarily. Some capacitors just go bad from age.
--
FE
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:51:41 +0200, "Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
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>They are normal sized. maybe I should get a soldering iron...
>
And a solder sucker. Plastic tweezers from a medical pack are useful too.
Regards
Stephen
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"Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
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> They are normal sized. maybe I should get a soldering iron...
>
Is worth a try. You do stand a chance of damaging the motherboard though, so
be careful.
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"Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
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> From everything I've gathered here it seems it was the power supply that
> damaged my motherboard. So I'm going to try and get a new power supply
with
> lots of Watts and see if I can replace those capacitors.
The power cuts could be the cause too. Do you have a UPS for the machine? If
not, may be worth ggetting one. Cheap one is around R400. Just needs to
filter the power a bit.
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Nekar Xenos wrote:
> The powersocket on my motherboard only has 20 pins. The new ones have 24
> pins so I'll have to see if I can get a 20pin powersupply.
There are power supplies that comes with a 20/24 plug.
> From everything I've gathered here it seems it was the power supply that
> damaged my motherboard. So I'm going to try and get a new power supply with
> lots of Watts and see if I can replace those capacitors.
>
> Thanx to everyone who threw in their bit.
remember to check the micro farads and voltage of the capacitor to be as
close as possible to the original ones, if theyare a little higher (20%
at most) they're ok.
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Gail Shaw wrote:
> "Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
> news:47b14382@news.povray.org...
>> From everything I've gathered here it seems it was the power supply that
>> damaged my motherboard. So I'm going to try and get a new power supply
> with
>> lots of Watts and see if I can replace those capacitors.
>
> The power cuts could be the cause too. Do you have a UPS for the machine? If
> not, may be worth ggetting one. Cheap one is around R400. Just needs to
> filter the power a bit.
If a UPS is to expensive a stabilizer would be good enough.
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"Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote in message
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> pan wrote:
>> "Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
>> news:47ad5bd1@news.povray.org...
>>> I have a Athlon XP 2400 Socket A using the onboard 128Mb SiS
>>> graphics card and a 250W power supply.
>>>
>> Power supply. Get a new one (I reccomend Sparkle brand) of at
>> least 300W.
>> This is an easy install you can do yourself.
>>
>>
> 550W Power Supplies are common these days, don't they? unless is
> not the case in your city.
I like the 1000W ones :)
The off thge shelf pcs are underpowered .. very likely will go
bonkers after
a couple of years producing all the symptoms the OP listed as
well as others.
Yeah - bump that minimum to 450W ...
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pan wrote:
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> I like the 1000W ones :)
> The off thge shelf pcs are underpowered .. very likely will go
> bonkers after
My most powerful (2 of them) power supplys (on PC's, that is - we're not
counting Alpha/SGI -line here :p) are 300W both, without a single
problem. One is pushing my Opteron-based server with 6 harddisks and one
is pushing my Sempron-based workstation (or was - the mobo gave up).
Either computer shouldn't survive without 400+W (when listening to the
sale guys at stores) or without case fans (again, when listening to the
sale guys...). Even the ps power scale needed actually depends on the
user. AthlonXP with integrated graphics card and 1-2 HD's should be fine
with ok-conditioned 250W ps (my Opteron is worse electric drain than
AthlonXP and 300W is easily enough for
Opteron+G550+6HD+2optical+sound+nic+etc).
>
> Yeah - bump that minimum to 450W ...
>
... if you're going to upgrade your machine and think about gaming (some
beast-level 3D-GFX -card, that is) at the future. Low-energy
-electronics (especially processors) are spreading already.
--
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
http://www.zbxt.net
aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid
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>>> Power supply. Get a new one (I reccomend Sparkle brand) of at
>>> least 300W.
>>> This is an easy install you can do yourself.
>>>
>>>
>> 550W Power Supplies are common these days, don't they? unless is
>> not the case in your city.
>
> I like the 1000W ones :)
Sucker.
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"scott" <sco### [at] laptopcom> wrote in message
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>>>> Power supply. Get a new one (I reccomend Sparkle brand) of at
>>>> least 300W.
>>>> This is an easy install you can do yourself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 550W Power Supplies are common these days, don't they? unless
>>> is not the case in your city.
>>
>> I like the 1000W ones :)
>
> Sucker.
>
???
Are we having an octopoid remembrance?
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