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OK, when I scan my eyes across my CD collection, this is what I see:
Enya
Enigma
ABBA
ELO
Pink Floyd
The Beach Boys
The Prodigy
Catatonia [International Velvet]
Madonna [Ray of Light]
The Chemical Brothers
Ace of Base
2 Unlimited
Penulum [Hold Your Colour]
Tangerine Dream
Robert Miles
Craftwerk
Space [Spiders, Tin Planet]
Alisha's Attick [Alisha Rules the World]
Madness [Lovestruck]
Dope Smugglaz [Double Double Dutch]
Grove Armada [Best Of]
They Might Be Giants
Jem [Finally Woken]
Natasha Beddingfield [Unwritten]
Sonique [Hear My Cry]
Smashmouth
Gorillaz [Gorillaz]
Holst [The Planets]
Jerry Goldsmith [The Secret of NIMH soundtrack]
John Williams [Star Wars I soundtrack]
Howard Shore [LofR complete soundtrack]
Jeff Wayne [War of the Worlds]
The Trance Box
Trance Euphoria
Trance Anthems
I'm not entirely sure how that lot doesn't spontaneously self-destruct
just by being in such close proximity to each other, but anyway...
So, what's in *your* CD collection?
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Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> OK, when I scan my eyes across my CD collection, this is what I see:
Blog material again, eh?-)
> So, what's in *your* CD collection?
I stopped buying any music CDs some years ago because I got totally
fed up with the music industry and its policies and its lobbying of
government (including the Finnish one), the two "Finnish RIAAs" (yes,
there are actually two, each one collecting money and harassing people
independently), the new Finnish copyright law (100% dictated by the
music industry) and all that crap.
(This doesn't mean I pirate music. It means I don't buy it anymore.)
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Warp wrote:
>> So, what's in *your* CD collection?
>
> I stopped buying any music CDs some years ago because I got totally
> fed up with the music industry and its policies.
> (This doesn't mean I pirate music. It means I don't buy it anymore.)
I stopped buying CDs because... I haven't heard anything worth buying
for a very long time. The other day I bought Hold Your Colour (because
it's mildly enjoyable), and Spiders (because I've always wanted to have
it). That's the first time in about 2 years that I've bought anything...
I forget where now, but I saw some website about music piracy. Reading
it, I found the following:
"In 2005, music sales in the UK fell by 5%. Music piracy represents a
significant global problem."
No attempt is made to demonstrate that sales fell by 5% *because of
piracy*. Indeed, I'd be inclined to think it's got more to do with the
absence of any decent music on the shelves...
OMG, I'M OLD!!! 0_0
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> No attempt is made to demonstrate that sales fell by 5% *because of
> piracy*. Indeed, I'd be inclined to think it's got more to do with the
> absence of any decent music on the shelves...
Music isn't any worse or any better than it was or will be. It's just that
there's an age period where listening and impressionability peaks. After
that, we become our parents.
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> "In 2005, music sales in the UK fell by 5%. Music piracy represents a
> significant global problem."
That's quite an amusing sentence since it contains so many non-sequitur
fallacies. For example, it contains an "affirming the consequent" fallacy:
- If people pirate music, it decreases sales.
- Sales have decreased.
- Therefore, people pirate music.
It also has a "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy:
- People pirate music.
- Sales have decreased.
- Therefore, sales have decreased because people pirate music.
How about "illicit conversion":
- All music piracy decreases sales.
- Therefore all decrement in sales is because of music piracy.
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> I stopped buying CDs because...
...they're a bit old fashioned, aren't they?
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scott wrote:
>> I stopped buying CDs because...
>
> ...they're a bit old fashioned, aren't they?
Really? What makes you say that?
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Invisible wrote:
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> Really? What makes you say that?
>
I understand your view of modern technology is an 8-track player with
mechanical radio buttons for station memory :). So I'll explain:
CDs are old fashioned because people buy and download their crap music
to their iPods now (those fashionable white boxes you see various
teenagers walking around with) Music on CD has gone the way of the LP
record. :)
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Mike Raiford wrote:
>> Really? What makes you say that?
>>
>
> I understand your view of modern technology is an 8-track player with
> mechanical radio buttons for station memory :). So I'll explain:
>
> CDs are old fashioned because people buy and download their crap music
> to their iPods now (those fashionable white boxes you see various
> teenagers walking around with) Music on CD has gone the way of the LP
> record. :)
Really? I wasn't aware it was possible to do that legally yet... oh, wait...
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> Really? What makes you say that?
Haven't used audio CDs for years now, not since I got rid of my old car that
wouldn't play MP3 CDs.
On my PC I listen to MP3s that are stored on its hard drive.
In the kitchen I plug a USB memory stick into the mini-hifi system.
In my car I burn a CD full of MP3s - hopefully my new car will have a USB
socket so I don't ever need to use CDs again.
In my sitting room I use the PS3 to stream music from my PC.
My CD player has been sat around unused for at least the last 5 years.
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scott wrote:
>> Really? What makes you say that?
>
> Haven't used audio CDs for years now, not since I got rid of my old car
> that wouldn't play MP3 CDs.
>
> On my PC I listen to MP3s that are stored on its hard drive.
>
> In the kitchen I plug a USB memory stick into the mini-hifi system.
>
> In my car I burn a CD full of MP3s - hopefully my new car will have a
> USB socket so I don't ever need to use CDs again.
>
> In my sitting room I use the PS3 to stream music from my PC.
>
> My CD player has been sat around unused for at least the last 5 years.
So if you don't have any CDs, where do you get all these MP3s from?
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Invisible wrote:
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> So if you don't have any CDs, where do you get all these MP3s from?
>
8 track tapes, I imagine... :)
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> So if you don't have any CDs, where do you get all these MP3s from?
Have you heard of the internet yet?
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scott wrote:
>> So if you don't have any CDs, where do you get all these MP3s from?
>
> Have you heard of the internet yet?
So, what, you only listen to illegal music?
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> scott wrote:
> >> So if you don't have any CDs, where do you get all these MP3s from?
> >
> > Have you heard of the internet yet?
>
> So, what, you only listen to illegal music?
You are behind the times
Selling music online is a huge industry. I-Tunes store is just one example.
Amazon's started recently too.
Pity most don't work if you're outside the USA.....
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> > Have you heard of the internet yet?
> So, what, you only listen to illegal music?
Only illegal music can be transferred over the internet?
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Gail Shaw wrote:
> You are behind the times
Oh good. That's new then...
> Selling music online is a huge industry. I-Tunes store is just one example.
> Amazon's started recently too.
Interesting...
Last time I heard, lots of conpanies *wanted* to start selling music
downloads, but nobody could think of a way of preventing everybody
pirating it, so they were all too scared to go down that route.
I'm still amused by one quote a read: "Trying to make data not copyable
is like trying to make water not wet."
So, how have they solved that apparently unsolvable problem then?
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Warp wrote:
>> So, what, you only listen to illegal music?
>
> Only illegal music can be transferred over the internet?
As a technological matter - no.
As a practical matter - I'm not aware of anybody who permits you to
obtain MP3s legally. (Or at least, MP3s of commercial music anyway.)
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Invisible wrote:
> Interesting...
>
> Last time I heard, lots of conpanies *wanted* to start selling music
> downloads, but nobody could think of a way of preventing everybody
> pirating it, so they were all too scared to go down that route.
See? This is what happens when you live under a rock ... Car radios get
more sophisticated, and can load up more than 10 albums to a single CD,
and people actually buy music off the internet, and you seem not to be
aware of these (not so) recent innovations.
> I'm still amused by one quote a read: "Trying to make data not copyable
> is like trying to make water not wet."
>
> So, how have they solved that apparently unsolvable problem then?
>
Well, the data is encrypted, of course, encryption is meant to be broken
...
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Invisible wrote:
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> As a practical matter - I'm not aware of anybody who permits you to
> obtain MP3s legally. (Or at least, MP3s of commercial music anyway.)
>
I have albums in MP3 format that I obtained legally, then followed their
instructions on converting their proprietary format to MP3 so they can
play on my car stereo.
All legal, and all within the license agreement.
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Mike Raiford wrote:
> See? This is what happens when you live under a rock ... Car radios get
> more sophisticated, and can load up more than 10 albums to a single CD,
> and people actually buy music off the internet, and you seem not to be
> aware of these (not so) recent innovations.
Hey, *I* buy music off the Internet. I just have to wait for a small
piece of silvered plastic to arrive in the post afterwards. ;-)
>> So, how have they solved that apparently unsolvable problem then?
>
> Well, the data is encrypted, of course, encryption is meant to be broken
More precisely: The encryption *must* be removed in order to *play* the
music. Therefore, this encryption must be trivially breakable, and
therefore it cannot prevent anybody pirating the music.
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> Warp wrote:
>
> >> So, what, you only listen to illegal music?
> >
> > Only illegal music can be transferred over the internet?
>
> As a technological matter - no.
>
> As a practical matter - I'm not aware of anybody who permits you to
> obtain MP3s legally. (Or at least, MP3s of commercial music anyway.)
Amazon. Apple. To name just 2
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that's a huge big pile of ... ;)
Except perhaps for Kraftwerk.
Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Chopin and company are spread throughout my CDs and
brand-new HD...
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Invisible wrote:
> More precisely: The encryption *must* be removed in order to *play* the
> music. Therefore, this encryption must be trivially breakable, and
> therefore it cannot prevent anybody pirating the music.
Encryption, if it is decryptable, is therefore trivially decryptable?
Here kid, tell me what's in this file *without* knowing the key.
--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.digitalartsuk.com
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Invisible escribió:
> Mike Raiford wrote:
>> CDs are old fashioned because people buy and download their crap music
>> to their iPods now (those fashionable white boxes you see various
>> teenagers walking around with) Music on CD has gone the way of the LP
>> record. :)
>
> Really? I wasn't aware it was possible to do that legally yet... oh,
> wait...
Yep, there's iTunes store and others, where you legally buy the digital
files. With DRM of course...
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Tim Cook wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> More precisely: The encryption *must* be removed in order to *play*
>> the music. Therefore, this encryption must be trivially breakable, and
>> therefore it cannot prevent anybody pirating the music.
>
> Encryption, if it is decryptable, is therefore trivially decryptable?
>
> Here kid, tell me what's in this file *without* knowing the key.
If you can play it, you must have the decryption key. Encrypted data
with the key right next to it might as well not be encrypted at all...
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nemesis wrote:
> that's a huge big pile of ... ;)
Yes, that's roughly the response I was expecting. :-P
> Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Chopin and company are spread throughout my CDs and
> brand-new HD...
I like Bach. I wouldn't recognise any of the others...
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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> If you can play it, you must have the decryption key. Encrypted data
> with the key right next to it might as well not be encrypted at all...
In some situations it's not that simple.
For example the PlayStation Portable supports running programs from
the flash memory card directly (instead of the optical disc), but only
ones approved by Sony. It will refuse to run anything else.
How does it achieve this? Why can't people just write programs for the
PSP, load them into the memory card and run them? Because the PSP only
runs properly encrypted binaries.
Of course in order to run them it needs to decrypt them, and to decrypt
them it needs a decryption key. Couldn't this key just be read from the
PSP's memory and use to encrypt third-party programs? The answer is: No.
The decryption key can be read, but it cannot be used to encrypt the
programs.
Thus encryption in this case works, even though the decryption key is
right there in the ROM of the device.
(Yes, third-party programs can be run on PSP, at least ones with older
firmwares, but that's achieved by exploiting some bugs, ie. programming
errors in these older firmwares. For my point it's irrelevant.)
Of course in the case of music you don't need any encryption key, as
the decryption key is enough to do what you want. The only way to protect
that is to protect the decryption key and the decryption process in such
way that you can't get hold of it. Basically you would need a black box,
which is the music player, which cannot be looked inside. That's, in fact,
what the music industry is aiming towards, even if this "black box" is
inside the user's PC or handheld device.
Of course encryption doesn't patch the analog hole.
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Orchid XP v7 escribió:
> Tim Cook wrote:
>> Invisible wrote:
>>> More precisely: The encryption *must* be removed in order to *play*
>>> the music. Therefore, this encryption must be trivially breakable,
>>> and therefore it cannot prevent anybody pirating the music.
>>
>> Encryption, if it is decryptable, is therefore trivially decryptable?
>>
>> Here kid, tell me what's in this file *without* knowing the key.
>
> If you can play it, you must have the decryption key. Encrypted data
> with the key right next to it might as well not be encrypted at all...
The key is hidden on iTunes, or something it gets by mixing some data
from your iTunes account and something hidden in iTunes.
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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> > that's a huge big pile of ... ;)
>
> Yes, that's roughly the response I was expecting. :-P
>
> > Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Chopin and company are spread throughout my CDs and
> > brand-new HD...
>
> I like Bach. I wouldn't recognise any of the others...
Yes, that's roughly the response I was expecting. :-P
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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
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> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> > "In 2005, music sales in the UK fell by 5%. Music piracy represents a
> > significant global problem."
> That's quite an amusing sentence since it contains so many non-sequitur
> fallacies.
I don't think it's meant to be a logical deduction (it's *two separate*
sentences), just statement of some facts.
That said, saying that sales would have declined anyway even if hundereds of
millions of teenagers were not pirating music over the internet is, well,
nonsense. Did piracy reduce sales? Sure. Was piracy avoidable in the
Internet age? No, not with the current structure of the internet anyway. It
seems inevitable to me that things will have to change, for better or worse.
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nemesis wrote:
> Yes, that's roughly the response I was expecting. :-P
I can play a large section of Bach's Toccata and Fuge in D minor from
memory, if that makes it any better?
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Warp wrote:
> For example the PlayStation Portable supports running programs from
> the flash memory card directly (instead of the optical disc), but only
> ones approved by Sony. It will refuse to run anything else.
> Of course in order to run them it needs to decrypt them, and to decrypt
> them it needs a decryption key. Couldn't this key just be read from the
> PSP's memory and use to encrypt third-party programs? The answer is: No.
> The decryption key can be read, but it cannot be used to encrypt the
> programs.
Asymmetric encryption. I can see how that would work. (OTOH, couldn't
you just modify the firmware to not require this?)
> Of course in the case of music you don't need any encryption key, as
> the decryption key is enough to do what you want. The only way to protect
> that is to protect the decryption key and the decryption process in such
> way that you can't get hold of it. Basically you would need a black box,
> which is the music player, which cannot be looked inside. That's, in fact,
> what the music industry is aiming towards, even if this "black box" is
> inside the user's PC or handheld device.
I see two possibilities.
1. There is one secret decryption key. Every iPod (or whatever) has this
key burned inside it, with tamper-proof hardware to stop you getting at
it. In this case, you don't *need* to decrypt the data; you can just
copy the encrypted files and they will play perfectly on any iPod. So
this is clearly a non-solution.
2. There is a unique key inside every iPod. That means that music which
you have legally purchased can only ever be played on 1 device. So this
is clearly also a non-solution.
I'm not seeing a way this can be made to work properly...
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Orchid XP v7 escribió:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Chopin and company are spread throughout my
>> CDs and
>> brand-new HD...
>
> I like Bach. I wouldn't recognise any of the others...
>
You mean you wouldn't know who of them is the composer if you listen to
a song, or that you have never heard those names? :)
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 escribió:
>> nemesis wrote:
>>> Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Chopin and company are spread throughout my
>>> CDs and
>>> brand-new HD...
>>
>> I like Bach. I wouldn't recognise any of the others...
>>
>
> You mean you wouldn't know who of them is the composer if you listen to
> a song, or that you have never heard those names? :)
Oh, I've obviously *heard* of them. (I have actually had my surname
confused with one of them - as if!) But I would have no idea what they
sound like. Or which millenium they lived in. Or which country. Or...
anything, really.
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Orchid XP v7 escribió:
> I'm not seeing a way this can be made to work properly...
But it has been done, and it works, so how about doing some research?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairPlay#How_it_works
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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I can play a large section of Bach's Toccata and Fuge in D minor from
> memory, if that makes it any better?
I was expecting you to like Bach. He's the most mathematician-like of the
classic composers. But as usual, I'm impressed by your amazing ignorance about
well-known facts.
"I wouldn't recognise any of the others", the other being Beethoven and Mozart.
Come on! Even the chinese behind the Great Wall know Beethoven and Mozart!!
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 escribió:
>> I'm not seeing a way this can be made to work properly...
>
> But it has been done, and it works, so how about doing some research?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairPlay#How_it_works
Right. So the decryption key is stored seperately from the actual file.
Thus, all you have to do is figure out how to copy the decryption key as
well and you can copy the data to as many million iPods as you want. QED.
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nemesis wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> I can play a large section of Bach's Toccata and Fuge in D minor from
>> memory, if that makes it any better?
>
> I was expecting you to like Bach. He's the most mathematician-like of the
> classic composers. But as usual, I'm impressed by your amazing ignorance about
> well-known facts.
Knowing what a tune sounds like is a "fact", is it?
> "I wouldn't recognise any of the others", the other being Beethoven and Mozart.
> Come on! Even the chinese behind the Great Wall know Beethoven and Mozart!!
Sure, I've heard of them. But I have no idea what they sound like. You
make it sound like a crime or something. :-P
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s. cinar <a### [at] bcom> wrote:
> > > "In 2005, music sales in the UK fell by 5%. Music piracy represents a
> > > significant global problem."
> > That's quite an amusing sentence since it contains so many non-sequitur
> > fallacies.
> I don't think it's meant to be a logical deduction (it's *two separate*
> sentences), just statement of some facts.
Maybe technically you could see it like that, but most people will see
a "because" between the two sentences, and I'm quite sure the writer more
or less implied that.
> That said, saying that sales would have declined anyway even if hundereds of
> millions of teenagers were not pirating music over the internet is, well,
> nonsense. Did piracy reduce sales? Sure. Was piracy avoidable in the
> Internet age? No, not with the current structure of the internet anyway. It
> seems inevitable to me that things will have to change, for better or worse.
Nobody denies that music piracy happens. However, proving that music
piracy is the reason for decreased sales is quite much harder.
If I'm not mistaken, something similar has happened before: Radio stations
started broadcasting music, and some time after music sales dropped quite
a lot. Of course the music industry, even today, likes to make a correlation.
What they don't like to mention is that this drop happened after 1929,
which is a much more likely explanation for the decreased sales.
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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > For example the PlayStation Portable supports running programs from
> > the flash memory card directly (instead of the optical disc), but only
> > ones approved by Sony. It will refuse to run anything else.
> > Of course in order to run them it needs to decrypt them, and to decrypt
> > them it needs a decryption key. Couldn't this key just be read from the
> > PSP's memory and use to encrypt third-party programs? The answer is: No.
> > The decryption key can be read, but it cannot be used to encrypt the
> > programs.
> Asymmetric encryption. I can see how that would work. (OTOH, couldn't
> you just modify the firmware to not require this?)
If the actual decryption happens in non-writable ROM memory, it would
be impossible. I don't know how it's actually done in the PSP, though.
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Warp wrote:
>> Asymmetric encryption. I can see how that would work. (OTOH, couldn't
>> you just modify the firmware to not require this?)
>
> If the actual decryption happens in non-writable ROM memory, it would
> be impossible. I don't know how it's actually done in the PSP, though.
Mmm. Well. I imagine Sony has thought about this part...
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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Sure, I've heard of them. But I have no idea what they sound like.
sure you do. You just don't know it...
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nemesis wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> Sure, I've heard of them. But I have no idea what they sound like.
>
> sure you do. You just don't know it...
Well, no, *obviously* I've heard their music. I just couldn't tell you
which is which, that's all.
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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Well, no, *obviously* I've heard their music.
good. Now I don't know what amuses me the most: that you can't distinguish
their styles or that even being aquainted to Bach you're still listening to
that much crap from the recording industry...
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:19:28 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> So, what's in *your* CD collection?
Wagner's Ring (all four operas)
Mozart early symphonies
Beethoven symphonies
Queen
Enya
The Eagles
Mannheim Steamroller
George Carlin
Clannad
A large number of movie soundtracks (Dracula, High Fidelity, LoTR)
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (all 5 radio series)
Enigma
Howard Hansen Symphonies
Shostakovich
Quite a lot of other stuff as well, that's just a sample...
Jim
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:49:37 -0500, Warp wrote:
> I stopped buying any music CDs some years ago because I got totally
> fed up with the music industry and its policies and its lobbying of
Oh, and yes, I also stopped regularly buying CDs some years ago as well -
my collection is mostly from > 7 years ago. We've picked up a few things
since then (like the new H2G2 series, Lewis Black at Carnegie, etc.).
The new purchases are generally "pre-owned" bought at a secondhand shop.
Except for the Hitchhiker's series - those were new from the BBC.
Jim
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:39:52 -0700, somebody wrote:
> Music isn't any worse or any better than it was or will be.
Oh, I disagree. At least here in the US, the thing the record companies
push is mainstream popular music. It didn't always used to be that way...
Jim
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:00:27 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> Mike Raiford wrote:
>
>>> Really? What makes you say that?
>>>
>>>
>> I understand your view of modern technology is an 8-track player with
>> mechanical radio buttons for station memory :). So I'll explain:
>>
>> CDs are old fashioned because people buy and download their crap music
>> to their iPods now (those fashionable white boxes you see various
>> teenagers walking around with) Music on CD has gone the way of the LP
>> record. :)
>
> Really? I wasn't aware it was possible to do that legally yet... oh,
> wait...
The complete LOTR soundtrack (the recent release) can be purchased for
$22 on Amazon in a download-only format. Then there's iTunes....
Jim
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:30:46 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Invisible escribió:
>> Mike Raiford wrote:
>>> CDs are old fashioned because people buy and download their crap music
>>> to their iPods now (those fashionable white boxes you see various
>>> teenagers walking around with) Music on CD has gone the way of the LP
>>> record. :)
>>
>> Really? I wasn't aware it was possible to do that legally yet... oh,
>> wait...
>
> Yep, there's iTunes store and others, where you legally buy the digital
> files. With DRM of course...
Actually, I was surprised that the Amazon downloadable Complete LOTR
soundtracks are in MP3 format. I don't *think* there's any DRM involved
(which was really surprising).
Jim
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