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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:20:47 -0500, nemesis wrote:
> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospam com> wrote:
>> Ah, yes, I probably have. Though I prefer the one from Gotterdammerung
>
> I heard that from opera excerpts. It's ok, but it lacks Chopin's
> characteristic melancholy.
Well, yes - Wagner was a bit louder, for one thing. Still, Hagen's
funeral march is quite spectacular, musically speaking.
>> or something like Saint-Saens' Danse Macabre. :-)
>
> that's better off as Halloween music... ;)
True, true, and I can't believe I misspelled it (thanks for the silent
spelling correction <g>). After all, the disc is right here on my desk.
<g>
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Yep. To the untrained ear, it can be hard to tell the difference. I
> played violin for some 15 years, so I have a bit more musical education
> than Andy does, I imagine. I imagine the case is similar for you.
Correct. I only played violin for 5 years.
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:15:30 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>>> Predictably, I haven't heard of most of those.
>>
>> Most of them are classical composers.
>
> I do enjoy certain forms of orchestral music. However, from what I can
> tell, most classical music isn't really to my taste.
Entirely possible, though I think it helps to know the story behind the
music - a lot of it tells a story. For example, Berlioz's _Symphonie
Fantastique_ tells a story about a guy who is in love but can't make it
work out. He decides to take opium, and the music itself is inspired by
the idea of the opium-induced dreams he had as a result.
The fourth movement ends with him having his head cut off by a
guillotine. If you know the story, you can actually hear his head bounce
down the steps after the blade falls.
Then you get into the 5th movement, which is him in the afterlife. It
ain't pretty (and yet it is).
The really fun thing is listening to that on the local classical radio
station; it's run by Brigham Young University, a university of the LDS
Church. It seems clear to me that the announcers really don't know the
story behind the music, or they'd never play it on the air.
>>> Wait - there's a person on Earth apart from me who listens to Enigma?
>>> Woah...
>>
>> My brother introduced me. I quite like it, though I haven't listened
>> to it a lot.
>
> My best friend introduced me. Before she stopped talking to me...
>
> Every time I listen, I end up wanting to turn off the light, take a deep
> breath, and light candles. Actually, last time I *did* light candles...
> hmm. LOL!
Which album or albums do you have?
Jim
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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Every time I try to play that thing, I find myself trying to figure out
> if Bach was a madman or a genius. Seriously - how the hell did he
> *think* of this stuff??
in this particular case, many scholars think it's not really a Bach work. He
most probably adapted it to organ from some prior violin work...
If you think he's a madman for that one, wait until you hear some pieces from
The Art of Fugue/Die Künst der Fuge... :)
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Jim Henderson wrote:
...
> Actually, I was surprised that the Amazon downloadable Complete LOTR
> soundtracks are in MP3 format. I don't *think* there's any DRM involved
> (which was really surprising).
But maybe they can tell who bought the mp3 file by looking at it...
http://www.google.com/search?q=mp3+watermark+amazon
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nemesis wrote:
> If you think he's a madman for that one, wait until you hear some pieces from
> The Art of Fugue/Die Künst der Fuge... :)
I was blown away the first time I listened through that while following
along in with the score. There was so much that I missing that I was
astounded by the technical virtuosity (I think it's also fantastic music
on the non-technical side as well of course).
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Warp wrote:
> Of course in the case of music you don't need any encryption key, as
> the decryption key is enough to do what you want. The only way to protect
> that is to protect the decryption key and the decryption process in such
> way that you can't get hold of it.
You also have to protect the decrypted content, which is rather
difficult to accomplish without corrupting every bit of hardware and
software through which it flows.
(Maybe that's what you meant by "decryption process" tho.)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
On what day did God create the body thetans?
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> Orchid XP v7 escribió:
>>> I'm not seeing a way this can be made to work properly...
>>
>> But it has been done, and it works, so how about doing some research?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairPlay#How_it_works
>
> Right. So the decryption key is stored seperately from the actual file.
> Thus, all you have to do is figure out how to copy the decryption key as
> well and you can copy the data to as many million iPods as you want. QED.
Exactly. Indeed, scroll down to the next section. :-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
On what day did God create the body thetans?
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:20:53 +0100, Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
> ...
>> Actually, I was surprised that the Amazon downloadable Complete LOTR
>> soundtracks are in MP3 format. I don't *think* there's any DRM
>> involved (which was really surprising).
>
> But maybe they can tell who bought the mp3 file by looking at it...
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=mp3+watermark+amazon
I'm sure they probably can. That's a bit different than DRM, though,
which has the explicit stated goal of preventing people from
"inappropriate use". Watermarking allows them to act reactivley - and I
believe is fairly easy to remove anyways...
mplayer -ao pcm:file=temp.wav file.mp3
lame -h temp.wav file-without-watermark.mp3
(Might have the parameters wrong, but I think you know what I mean).
Jim
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:35:37 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> Yep. To the untrained ear, it can be hard to tell the difference. I
>> played violin for some 15 years, so I have a bit more musical education
>> than Andy does, I imagine. I imagine the case is similar for you.
>
> Correct. I only played violin for 5 years.
You played violin? That's cool. :-)
Did you just take lessons in school, or private lessons, or self-study?
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> mplayer -ao pcm:file=temp.wav file.mp3
Excellent. I'm going to have to do this on some 4 million mp3 files next
week. Good to know which program can do that. :-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
On what day did God create the body thetans?
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:28:05 -0800, Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> mplayer -ao pcm:file=temp.wav file.mp3
>
> Excellent. I'm going to have to do this on some 4 million mp3 files next
> week. Good to know which program can do that. :-)
Scripting is a wonderful thing, ain't it? ;-)
(and incidentally, I actually got the parameters right! :-) )
Jim
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Darren New escribió:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> mplayer -ao pcm:file=temp.wav file.mp3
>
> Excellent. I'm going to have to do this on some 4 million mp3 files next
> week. Good to know which program can do that. :-)
>
I think LAME itself can do it.
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:56:23 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Darren New escribió:
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> mplayer -ao pcm:file=temp.wav file.mp3
>>
>> Excellent. I'm going to have to do this on some 4 million mp3 files
>> next week. Good to know which program can do that. :-)
>>
>>
> I think LAME itself can do it.
Yeah, probably - I thought about that and then thought "well, if you
convert to WAV first, you know any MP3 tag info will be wiped out and the
raw format will be rewritten, probably removing any embedded watermarks"
Jim
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Invisible wrote:
> OK, when I scan my eyes across my CD collection, this is what I see:
>
> Enya
> Enigma
> ABBA
> ELO
> Pink Floyd
> The Beach Boys
> The Prodigy
> Catatonia [International Velvet]
> Madonna [Ray of Light]
> The Chemical Brothers
> Ace of Base
> 2 Unlimited
> Penulum [Hold Your Colour]
> Tangerine Dream
> Robert Miles
> Craftwerk
> Space [Spiders, Tin Planet]
> Alisha's Attick [Alisha Rules the World]
> Madness [Lovestruck]
> Dope Smugglaz [Double Double Dutch]
> Grove Armada [Best Of]
> They Might Be Giants
> Jem [Finally Woken]
> Natasha Beddingfield [Unwritten]
> Sonique [Hear My Cry]
> Smashmouth
> Gorillaz [Gorillaz]
> Holst [The Planets]
> Jerry Goldsmith [The Secret of NIMH soundtrack]
> John Williams [Star Wars I soundtrack]
> Howard Shore [LofR complete soundtrack]
> Jeff Wayne [War of the Worlds]
> The Trance Box
> Trance Euphoria
> Trance Anthems
>
> I'm not entirely sure how that lot doesn't spontaneously self-destruct
> just by being in such close proximity to each other, but anyway...
I don't think it's that strange a connection, it is sort of diverse,
but in a way that I have seen before. The TMBG album is a good key that
this is a "geek who likes listening to music" sort of collection, so
I've seen several of my friends showing similar tasted. Any ones you're
particularly find of that I might take a listen to?
Also, why is Holst's The Planets always the only classical CD in these
collections, I don't get it.
> So, what's in *your* CD collection?
Hey, that's more fun than work, thanks for the excuse to procrastinate!
I've organized them a bit by category, and left out all MP3s, which I
probably account for 2/3 of my music volume.
--------------------[ rock-ish ]------------------------
Beatles [Magical Mystery Tour] (I need more Beatles music)
Blind Guardian [Nightfall in Middle Earth]
Dream Theater [Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes form a Memory]
Final Fantasy [Has a Good Home]
Godspeed You Black Emperor [Assorted CDs]
King Crimson [In the Court of the Crimson King, Larks' Tongues in Aspic]
Manu Chao [Clandestino]
Mars Volta [De-Loused in the Comatorium, Francis the Mute, Amputechture]
Mogwai [Mr. Beast]
Offspring [Smash]
Pink Floyd [Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here]
Radiohead [The Bends, Ok Computer, Kid A]
Raffi [Baby Belua]
Saint Rorschach [Transference]
Sigur Ros [Takk]
Steve Burns [Songs for Dustmites]
We vs. Death [We Too Are Concerned, We Are Too Concerned]
Yes [Close to the Edge]
----------------------[ classical ]-----------------------
Achron [Violin Concerto, The Golem Suite, Excerpts from Belshazzar]
Alkan [Etudes Op.39, assorted other piano works]
Bach (JS) [Passions, concertos, organ works, violin works, etc.]
Bartok [Violin Sonatas]
Beethoven [Symphonies, Missa Solemnis, Concertos, String Quartets, etc.]
Brahms [Symphonies, Concertos, German Requiem, etc.]
Busoni [Concerto, assorted piano works]
Chopin [Most of it, excepting concertos (which are MP3)]
Debussy [La Mer, Prelude a l'apres-midi d'un faune]
Dvorak [Symphonies Nos. 8 & 9, Te Deum, Cypresses, String Quartet No.14]
Franck [Organ Music]
Glass [String Quartets]
Glazounov [The Seasons]
Godowsky [Studies on Chopin's Etudes]
Gorecki [Symphony No.3]
Grieg [Peer Gynt, Piano Concerto, etc.]
Janacek [String Quartets, Violin Sonata, piano music, Glagolitic Mass]
Khachaturian [Piano Concerto]
Kapustin [Piano music]
Ligeti [Requiem, orchestral music, piano music]
Litolff [Concerto Symphonique Nos. 2 & 4]
Liszt [Piano music, Organ music, Faust Symphony]
Lutoslawski [Symphonies Nos. 3 & 4]
Medtner [Piano Sonatas, Forgotten Melodies]
Mendelssohn [Symphonies Nos. 3 & 4, The Hebrides Overture]
Messian [Quartet for the End of Time]
Mozart [Late Symphonies, assorted concertos, etc.]
Nielsen [Symphonies Nos. 1-3]
Orff [Carmina Burana]
Pendrecki [Threnody, Symphony, etc.]
Poulenc [Piano Concertos, Organ Concerto, assorted other]
Prokofiev [Piano Concerto No. 3]
Rachmaninov [Piano Concertos, Symphony No. 2, The Rock]
Reger [Assorted organ works]
Reich [Different Trains]
Rimsky-Korsakov [Scheherazade, Russian Easter Festival Overture]
Rodrigo [Guitar Concertos]
Rzewski [The People United Will Never Be Defeated]
Saint-Saens [Piano Concertos]
Schubert [Piano music, Symphony No. 9, String Quartets, assorted songs,
etc.]
Schumann [Piano music]
Scriabin [Piano sonatas]
Shostakovich [String Quartets]
Sieblius [Symphonies Nos. 4 & 5]
Smetata [Ma Vlast]
Sorabji [Transcendental Studies Nos. 1-25]
Strauss (Richard) [Symphonic Poems, Metamorphosen, Four Last Songs, etc.]
Stravinsky [The Rite of Spring, Petrushka, Violin Concerto]
Tchaikovski [Symphonies Nos. 5 & 6, Swan Lake Suite, Nutcracker Suite]
Turnage [Fractured Lines]
Villa-Lobos [Piano music]
Ysaye [Violin Sonatas]
-------------[ Multi-composer classical CDs ]-------------
Glazunov & Goedicke Piano Concertos
Korngold & Marx Piano Concertos
Rubinstein & Scharwenka Piano Concertos
Misc other compilations
----------------------[ Operas ]---------------------------
Bizet [Carmen]
Glass [Einstein on the Beach] (sort of an opera)
Mussorgsky [Boris Godounov]
Poulenc [Dialogues of the Carmelites]
Purcell [Dido and Aeneas]
Wagner [Ring Cycle, Parsafal]
I've obviously heard more than is listed here, but suggestions for
things I'm not familiar with that I should listen to are welcome.
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:45:20 -0800, Kevin Wampler wrote:
> Also, why is Holst's The Planets always the only classical CD in these
> collections, I don't get it.
I had forgotten to mention that one; I've got two different recordings of
that on CD, and one on cassette. :-)
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> You played violin? That's cool. :-)
>
> Did you just take lessons in school, or private lessons, or self-study?
All students at my school were required to learn violin and recorder.
But then the music teacher retired, and the music lessens stopped.
Eventually they found a replacement, but we only learned how to play
electronic keyboard [or rather, how to call up the autobacking]. Oh, and
guitar. Ever heard a Persian guy sing "Amazing Grace"? That song is
boring at the best of times...
Interesting fact: When *you* play a violin, it sounds nothing like what
you hear on the TV. It sounds like somebody dragging a strip of horse
hair over a cheese wire. (Which, actually, is what it is.) I always
assumed my violin was just naff. But then one day the teacher is, like,
"no no Andrew, that F is flat. Give me that!" She takes my violin and
plays what I had just been playing. Except it sounds amazing.
Um, OK. So it's *me* that's naff. :-|
--
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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>> I do enjoy certain forms of orchestral music. However, from what I can
>> tell, most classical music isn't really to my taste.
>
> Entirely possible, though I think it helps to know the story behind the
> music - a lot of it tells a story.
Yeah, probably.
>> Every time I listen, I end up wanting to turn off the light, take a deep
>> breath, and light candles. Actually, last time I *did* light candles...
>> hmm. LOL!
>
> Which album or albums do you have?
MCMXC AD, The Cross of Changes, Le Roi est mort, vive lr Roi, The Screen
Behind the Mirror, LSD, Voyageur, A Posterioiri. I also have the DVD
Remember the Future.
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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"Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:47ad5f62$1@news.povray.org...
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> You played violin? That's cool. :-)
>>
>> Did you just take lessons in school, or private lessons, or self-study?
>
> All students at my school were required to learn violin and recorder. But
> then the music teacher retired, and the music lessens stopped. Eventually
> they found a replacement, but we only learned how to play electronic
> keyboard [or rather, how to call up the autobacking]. Oh, and guitar. Ever
> heard a Persian guy sing "Amazing Grace"? That song is boring at the best
> of times...
>
> Interesting fact: When *you* play a violin, it sounds nothing like what
> you hear on the TV. It sounds like somebody dragging a strip of horse hair
> over a cheese wire. (Which, actually, is what it is.) I always assumed my
> violin was just naff. But then one day the teacher is, like, "no no
> Andrew, that F is flat. Give me that!" She takes my violin and plays what
> I had just been playing. Except it sounds amazing.
>
> Um, OK. So it's *me* that's naff. :-|
>
If you can become very good with violin and play Paganini's Caprices
(especially #16 and #5) and you switch over to electric guitar and master
the Caprices on guitar, you could really rock. especially if you can learn
to improvise as well.
--
-Nekar Xenos-
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Kevin Wampler wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> I'm not entirely sure how that lot doesn't spontaneously self-destruct
>> just by being in such close proximity to each other, but anyway...
>
> I don't think it's that strange a connection, it is sort of diverse,
> but in a way that I have seen before. The TMBG album is a good key that
> this is a "geek who likes listening to music" sort of collection, so
> I've seen several of my friends showing similar tasted. Any ones you're
> particularly find of that I might take a listen to?
My favourite TMBG album has got to be Factory Showroom or Spines. As for
other guys... if you haven't heard Tangerine Dream, give it a whirl. If
you enjoy crazy synthesizer music, that is...
> Also, why is Holst's The Planets always the only classical CD in these
> collections, I don't get it.
I bought it for Mars, but it turns out there are several other seriously
cool tracks on there. I seem to have picked a particularly good
recording too, which is nice. Neptune is just... wow.
BTW, note that it's far from being the only orchestral recording. It's
just the only one that's written a long time ago. There's a couple of
other classical pieces I'd like to own - but good luck finding them! (Or
even finding out their names...)
And ah... woah. You have a much bigger music collection than me. And
[surprise!] I've never heard of most of it.
I have run into the name "Mogwai" several times though. I have no idea
what that sounds like. Similarly, every time I go into a music shop I
find myself wanting to by YES albums just to look at the pictures... no
idea what the music sounds like.
--
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:19:28 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>So, what's in *your* CD collection?
If it is of any interest to anyone, last week My wife bought the CDs below. We
probably won't listen to all of them but we have them if we want too. They
hardly register in our collection.
7CDs HAYDN Symphonies 73-92 Austro-Hung Haydn O/Fischer
7CDs HAYDN Symphonies 30-51 Austro-Hung Haydn O/Fischer
CD BEETHOVEN Christ on the Mount of Olives - H Rilling
CD BEETHOVEN Concert Arias - Berlin Staatskapelle/Apelt
5CDs BEETHOVEN Piano Variations & Bagatelles - Brendel
11CDs SHOSTAKOVICH Complete Symphonies 1-15 Barshai
2CDs BEETHOVEN Complete Cello Sonatas Heinrich Schiff
CD DVORAK Complete Slavonic Dances Op 46, Op 72 RoyalPO
2CDs DVORAK Slavonic Dances & Other Music for PianoDuet
CD DVORAK Symphony No 8 in G - RoyalPO/Yehudi Menuhin
5CDs HAYDN Symphonies 93-104 Austro-HungHaydn O/Fischer
7CDs HAYDN Symphonies 52-72 Austro-Hung Haydn O/Fischer
4CDs BEETHOVEN Lieder/Songs - Peter Schreier (tenor)etc
CD BEETHOVEN Ruins of Athens, King Stephen Incid.Music
CD BEETHOVEN Rare Piano Works - Georg Friedrich Schenck
Regards
Stephen
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On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:23:33 EST, "nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>
>"I wouldn't recognise any of the others", the other being Beethoven and Mozart.
>Come on! Even the chinese behind the Great Wall know Beethoven and Mozart!!
>
Sadly this view is all too common in Britain :(
Regards
Stephen
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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Interesting fact: When *you* play a violin, it sounds nothing like what
> you hear on the TV. It sounds like somebody dragging a strip of horse
> hair over a cheese wire.
hey! You sound like Sherlock Holmes on violin! ;)
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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> > Entirely possible, though I think it helps to know the story behind the
> > music - a lot of it tells a story.
>
> Yeah, probably.
no, no, no. Try to love the music for the music itself. Programme music is so
démodé...
Music is the art of transformation. It's math that pleases the ears and the
soul. The story it presents is entirely subjective from individual to
individual.
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Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> wrote:
> >"I wouldn't recognise any of the others", the other being Beethoven and Mozart.
> >Come on! Even the chinese behind the Great Wall know Beethoven and Mozart!!
>
> Sadly this view is all too common in Britain :(
I thought so. Perhaps just Elgar, Handel, Johann Christian Bach, Haydn and a
few others who actually went to England are appreciated, which is a shame.
Perhaps the British should come out of their hobbit-holes more often and see
what a big world full of wonders it is out there...
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nemesis wrote:
> Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> wrote:
>>> "I wouldn't recognise any of the others", the other being Beethoven and Mozart.
>>> Come on! Even the chinese behind the Great Wall know Beethoven and Mozart!!
>> Sadly this view is all too common in Britain :(
>
> I thought so. Perhaps just Elgar, Handel, Johann Christian Bach, Haydn and a
> few others who actually went to England are appreciated, which is a shame.
> Perhaps the British should come out of their hobbit-holes more often and see
> what a big world full of wonders it is out there...
Oh, sure, because *one* person who lives in Britain doesn't like
classical music all that much, the whole country must be like that. ;-)
--
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Dnia 08.02.2008 Gail Shaw <initialsurname@sentech> napisał/a:
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> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
> news:47ac757e@news.povray.org...
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>> As a practical matter - I'm not aware of anybody who permits you to
>> obtain MP3s legally. (Or at least, MP3s of commercial music anyway.)
>
> Amazon. Apple. To name just 2
Jamendo http://www.jamendo.com/en/
A.
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:20:53 +0100, Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
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>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> ...
>>> Actually, I was surprised that the Amazon downloadable Complete LOTR
>>> soundtracks are in MP3 format. I don't *think* there's any DRM
>>> involved (which was really surprising).
>> But maybe they can tell who bought the mp3 file by looking at it...
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=mp3+watermark+amazon
>
> I'm sure they probably can. That's a bit different than DRM, though,
> which has the explicit stated goal of preventing people from
> "inappropriate use". Watermarking allows them to act reactivley - and I
> believe is fairly easy to remove anyways...
>
> mplayer -ao pcm:file=temp.wav file.mp3
> lame -h temp.wav file-without-watermark.mp3
Yes, but then you assume that the watermarking is done on the bit-level.
What if they change the music somewhat in a way that will survive format
conversion ? (E.g. tiny changes in volume levels within a frequency
band, small phase shifts, changes in the dynamic range, added noise or
a combination of some of these.)
There will only have to be minor changes to the sound, as they will only
have to encode something like e.g. 30 bits into more than 100s of sound
in 2 channels.
--
Tor Olav
http://subcube.com
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Invisible wrote:
> OK, when I scan my eyes across my CD collection, this is what I see:
>
[snip list]
> So, what's in *your* CD collection?
>
three main streams
- progressive/symphonic rock and related (Ayreon, Yes, Rush, Fish,
Within Temptation, Vangelis ...)
- Folk and related (Mary Black, Meav, Loreena McKennitt, Janis Ian, Eric
Bogle, Fairport Convention, Christy Moore, Mary Coughlan...)
- Classical and opera (Wagner, Bach, Beethoven, Purcell, Mahler, Haydn...)
alongside these
- a small section of pop-like (Bowie, Dire Straights, Joy division, Kate
Bush...)
- a collection of somewhat rarer music a.o. Hildegard von Bingen,
family, and things picked up on holidays.
I recently bought Paris Moon by Blackmore's Night (yes, the guy from
deep purple). I do like it but am not sure what category that would be.
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
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> Ever heard a Persian guy sing "Amazing Grace"? That song is
> boring at the best of times...
>
just to be sure, we are talking about this boring piece?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pK4PtJiOPE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3XdXEJEI4E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHpye0M34JQ
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"andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:47A### [at] hotmailcom...
> I recently bought Paris Moon by Blackmore's Night (yes, the guy from
> deep purple). I do like it but am not sure what category that would be.
Another Blackmore's Night fan. I recommend you try their albums Fires at
Midnight (especially the song on it of the same title) and The Village
Lantern (and again, especially the song of the same title)
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andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> >
> > Ever heard a Persian guy sing "Amazing Grace"? That song is
> > boring at the best of times...
> >
> just to be sure, we are talking about this boring piece?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pK4PtJiOPE
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3XdXEJEI4E
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHpye0M34JQ
Orchid's tastes are kinda awkward...
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andrel wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>>
>> Ever heard a Persian guy sing "Amazing Grace"? That song is boring at
>> the best of times...
>>
> just to be sure, we are talking about this boring piece?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pK4PtJiOPE
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3XdXEJEI4E
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHpye0M34JQ
Yes, that one.
(And trust me, even the most interesting song sounds boring when played
on a guitar using 3 chords and a flat strumming rhythem. So when you
start with a boring song in the first place... Not Good.)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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"andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:47A### [at] hotmailcom...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pK4PtJiOPE
Oh wow, she can sing.
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:47:22 +0100, Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:20:53 +0100, Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> Actually, I was surprised that the Amazon downloadable Complete LOTR
>>>> soundtracks are in MP3 format. I don't *think* there's any DRM
>>>> involved (which was really surprising).
>>> But maybe they can tell who bought the mp3 file by looking at it...
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=mp3+watermark+amazon
>>
>> I'm sure they probably can. That's a bit different than DRM, though,
>> which has the explicit stated goal of preventing people from
>> "inappropriate use". Watermarking allows them to act reactivley - and
>> I believe is fairly easy to remove anyways...
>>
>> mplayer -ao pcm:file=temp.wav file.mp3 lame -h temp.wav
>> file-without-watermark.mp3
>
> Yes, but then you assume that the watermarking is done on the bit-level.
>
> What if they change the music somewhat in a way that will survive format
> conversion ? (E.g. tiny changes in volume levels within a frequency
> band, small phase shifts, changes in the dynamic range, added noise or a
> combination of some of these.)
>
> There will only have to be minor changes to the sound, as they will only
> have to encode something like e.g. 30 bits into more than 100s of sound
> in 2 channels.
I'd think that the conversion back and forth would modify an attempt like
this enough. Remember that mp3 encoding is lossy, not lossless.
Of course, though, the best option is to not give the files away.
Jim
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 08:08:06 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> You played violin? That's cool. :-)
>>
>> Did you just take lessons in school, or private lessons, or self-study?
>
> All students at my school were required to learn violin and recorder.
> But then the music teacher retired, and the music lessens stopped.
> Eventually they found a replacement, but we only learned how to play
> electronic keyboard [or rather, how to call up the autobacking]. Oh, and
> guitar. Ever heard a Persian guy sing "Amazing Grace"? That song is
> boring at the best of times...
Interesting; I was going to say that I had never heard of a school doing
that, but we were required to learn recorder, autoharp, and to sing in
the choir.
> Interesting fact: When *you* play a violin, it sounds nothing like what
> you hear on the TV. It sounds like somebody dragging a strip of horse
> hair over a cheese wire. (Which, actually, is what it is.) I always
> assumed my violin was just naff. But then one day the teacher is, like,
> "no no Andrew, that F is flat. Give me that!" She takes my violin and
> plays what I had just been playing. Except it sounds amazing.
>
> Um, OK. So it's *me* that's naff. :-|
No, it just takes practice - years of practice - to get good sound out of
an instrument (doesn't matter what). I can make my violin make horrible
sounds as well - it has to do with getting the right pressure and speed
of the bow across the strings - too much pressure and not enough speed,
and it sounds exactly like you described.
There also is a factor of the instrument itself as well; each instrument
has different tonal factors. In my case, I had some work done on it a
few years back, and the people doing the work dripped varnish inside the
instrument and have very solidly attached the sound post to the top face
of the instrument. Going to cost about $400 to get it fixed, and it's
unplayable in the condition it's in (the E string makes a horrible,
horrible screeching sound whenever played). And of course the guys who
did the work have since gone out of business.
Jim
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 08:14:20 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>>> I do enjoy certain forms of orchestral music. However, from what I can
>>> tell, most classical music isn't really to my taste.
>>
>> Entirely possible, though I think it helps to know the story behind the
>> music - a lot of it tells a story.
>
> Yeah, probably.
I played in a youth orchestra when I was in high school, and the
conductor was having trouble getting us to learn the Symphonie
Fantastique, so he told us the background story. That really did
motivate us.
>>> Every time I listen, I end up wanting to turn off the light, take a
>>> deep breath, and light candles. Actually, last time I *did* light
>>> candles... hmm. LOL!
>>
>> Which album or albums do you have?
>
> MCMXC AD, The Cross of Changes, Le Roi est mort, vive lr Roi, The Screen
> Behind the Mirror, LSD, Voyageur, A Posterioiri. I also have the DVD
> Remember the Future.
Cross of Changes is the one I have; I was looking at a few others at he
used CD store the other day, but wasn't sure if they were similar in
style or not - I've been bitten a few times by having one really cool
disc from someone and buying another (or having one gifted, more often)
and finding out that the one I have is the exceptional one. Satriani was
like that for me.
How are the other discs?
Jim
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:06:36 -0500, nemesis wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> > Entirely possible, though I think it helps to know the story behind
>> > the music - a lot of it tells a story.
>>
>> Yeah, probably.
>
> no, no, no. Try to love the music for the music itself. Programme
> music is so démodé...
I have to disagree - you can love music for any number of reasons.
> Music is the art of transformation. It's math that pleases the ears and
> the soul. The story it presents is entirely subjective from individual
> to individual.
This is certainly true, though - you can hear stories even if there isn't
one. For example, there is one part of Mozart's Requiem that invokes for
me a chase through the woods. It was used in Amadeus, and oddly enough,
the images they used were pretty close to what it invoked for me visually
prior to seeing the film.
That was really cool.
Jim
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 08:23:41 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> if you haven't heard Tangerine Dream, give it a whirl. If you enjoy
> crazy synthesizer music, that is...
Ah, yes, I've got some TD on my shelf as well. The first track of one of
the albums I've got is the promenade from Pictures at an Exhibition -
another really great piece of music. I think I've got 4 different
recordings (two piano versions - which is what it was originally written
for, and two different orchestrations). There was a really cool thing
they did at the Proms a few years ago, where they played the entire
thing, but each movement was taken from a different orchestration.
Now I need to find that one....
Jim
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:49:37 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> 11CDs SHOSTAKOVICH Complete Symphonies 1-15 Barshai
I got the 10th as I was looking for a recording of the Festival Overture
and it was on that disc. Third movement brings a vivid image to me of a
horse-drawn sleigh being pulled quickly across a snowy field for some
reason.
How are the others?
> CD DVORAK Complete Slavonic Dances Op 46, Op 72 RoyalPO
> 2CDs DVORAK Slavonic Dances & Other Music for PianoDuet
Now there's something I haven't heard in ages - I think I've only got
those on cassette (and sheet music for violin solo at that). I'd
forgotten about those almost entirely.
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Interesting; I was going to say that I had never heard of a school doing
> that, but we were required to learn recorder, autoharp, and to sing in
> the choir.
I was *also* in the choir. You know, when we had one...
>> Um, OK. So it's *me* that's naff. :-|
>
> No, it just takes practice - years of practice - to get good sound out of
> an instrument (doesn't matter what). I can make my violin make horrible
> sounds as well - it has to do with getting the right pressure and speed
> of the bow across the strings - too much pressure and not enough speed,
> and it sounds exactly like you described.
>
> There also is a factor of the instrument itself as well; each instrument
> has different tonal factors.
Yeah, well... It's an *old*, cheap school violin. So I had assumed it
was just naff. But like I said, the teacher had no trouble getting the
most beautiful notes out of it, so it can't have been that busted...
Random snippet: I remember when the school orchestra performed Ode To
Joy. (Don't ask me who wrote that.) Our teacher was very strict. She
could tell I was playing the tune rather than reading the music, so she
moved me from 1st violin to 3rd violin, because there is no way in hell
you could play that from memory.
Anyway, the piece starts off telling you to play very softly. And then
after a while it says play a little louder - but just a little. And then
it's like... forte. [OK, I give the bow a little more elbow.]
Double-forte. [OK. I press down a bit harder and really *work* those
strings.]
Triple-forte. [Uh... OK, let me bow a bit faster...]
QUADRUPLE-FORTE!! [Dude... what? This thing doesn't *go* any louder!!]
Still, with a couple of cellos and hons going - not to mention the music
teacher taking the bottom notes of the school piano a lively workout -
it sounded pretty damn good.
Fact: It's almost impossible to hold a violin comfortably while wearing
a school blazer with huge shoulder pads... >_<
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Music is the art of transformation. It's math that pleases the ears and
>> the soul. The story it presents is entirely subjective from individual
>> to individual.
>
> This is certainly true, though - you can hear stories even if there isn't
> one. For example, there is one part of Mozart's Requiem that invokes for
> me a chase through the woods. It was used in Amadeus, and oddly enough,
> the images they used were pretty close to what it invoked for me visually
> prior to seeing the film.
>
> That was really cool.
I almost always find that when [if] I get to see the music video for my
favorite tune, it looks nothing like what you'd expect. Oh well!
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:46:46 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> Interesting; I was going to say that I had never heard of a school
>> doing that, but we were required to learn recorder, autoharp, and to
>> sing in the choir.
>
> I was *also* in the choir. You know, when we had one...
I couldn't sing to save my life. I mostly didn't sing, just went through
the motions.
>>> Um, OK. So it's *me* that's naff. :-|
>>
>> No, it just takes practice - years of practice - to get good sound out
>> of an instrument (doesn't matter what). I can make my violin make
>> horrible sounds as well - it has to do with getting the right pressure
>> and speed of the bow across the strings - too much pressure and not
>> enough speed, and it sounds exactly like you described.
>>
>> There also is a factor of the instrument itself as well; each
>> instrument has different tonal factors.
>
> Yeah, well... It's an *old*, cheap school violin. So I had assumed it
> was just naff. But like I said, the teacher had no trouble getting the
> most beautiful notes out of it, so it can't have been that busted...
Well, there are lots of different tonal qualities you can get. Comparing
my violin (a copy of a Guineri) to, say, Pearlman's Stradavarius, there's
no comparison in the tone. Pearlman's Strad is one of the most fantastic
sounding instruments out there (similarly, there are few cellos that can
rival the sound from Yo Yo Ma's Strad). My violin only cost about $1500
back when my parents bought it; Pearlman's Strad is worth millions.
> Random snippet: I remember when the school orchestra performed Ode To
> Joy. (Don't ask me who wrote that.)
Beethoven used it in the last movement of the 9th Symphony, but it's a
traditional tune, and I don't know if the authorship is even known. The
words were written by Friedrich Schiller (a poet) in 1785, but it's been
used in music since 1786; Beethoven's use (the best known) is just one of
many uses in music. Even Tchaikovsky used it (which I didn't know).
> Our teacher was very strict. She
> could tell I was playing the tune rather than reading the music, so she
> moved me from 1st violin to 3rd violin, because there is no way in hell
> you could play that from memory.
Heh, maybe not at first, but eventually you learn to just memorise the
music on the page - it's easier that way. I played 1st and 2nd violin
parts myself, depending on which orchestra and at which time. In the
school orchestras, I always played 1st violin (and my senior year, 1st
chair), but in the youth orchestra it varied.
> Anyway, the piece starts off telling you to play very softly. And then
> after a while it says play a little louder - but just a little. And then
> it's like... forte. [OK, I give the bow a little more elbow.]
>
> Double-forte. [OK. I press down a bit harder and really *work* those
> strings.]
>
> Triple-forte. [Uh... OK, let me bow a bit faster...]
>
> QUADRUPLE-FORTE!! [Dude... what? This thing doesn't *go* any louder!!]
Well, it's also a factor of the number of people in the section. :-)
> Still, with a couple of cellos and hons going - not to mention the music
> teacher taking the bottom notes of the school piano a lively workout -
> it sounded pretty damn good.
That was the thing that surprised me the most; the school orchestra
conductor I started with in high school (and had all through jr. high
school) would have us play unarranged music (ie, he'd use the original
scores) and we'd sound not too bad. Listening to recordings now, they
sound amateurish, but compared to sitting in the orchestra actually
playing the music, we sounded really good.
The youth orchestra I was in in high school (my junior year) went to
Russia on a concert tour - so some of the music in my collection is
professional recordings of the pieces we played on that tour.
> Fact: It's almost impossible to hold a violin comfortably while wearing
> a school blazer with huge shoulder pads... >_<
I could see that, even with a proper shoulder rest, you need a fairly
solid shoulder underneath it.
Jim
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:48:03 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>>> Music is the art of transformation. It's math that pleases the ears
>>> and the soul. The story it presents is entirely subjective from
>>> individual to individual.
>>
>> This is certainly true, though - you can hear stories even if there
>> isn't one. For example, there is one part of Mozart's Requiem that
>> invokes for me a chase through the woods. It was used in Amadeus, and
>> oddly enough, the images they used were pretty close to what it invoked
>> for me visually prior to seeing the film.
>>
>> That was really cool.
>
> I almost always find that when [if] I get to see the music video for my
> favorite tune, it looks nothing like what you'd expect. Oh well!
Well, that's also just fine - doesn't make your imagination any better or
worse than the imaginations of those who came up with the video.
Film music is fun to do that with if you haven't seen the film yet. I
did that with the Untouchables soundtrack, and it was surprising with
some of the music how close I was to what was in the movie, and at other
times how very far off I was.
Jim
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>> I almost always find that when [if] I get to see the music video for my
>> favorite tune, it looks nothing like what you'd expect. Oh well!
>
> Well, that's also just fine - doesn't make your imagination any better or
> worse than the imaginations of those who came up with the video.
>
> Film music is fun to do that with if you haven't seen the film yet. I
> did that with the Untouchables soundtrack, and it was surprising with
> some of the music how close I was to what was in the movie, and at other
> times how very far off I was.
Interesting thing: I have the soundtrack to Cats and Phantom of the
Opera. However, I haven't seen the shows. I wonder what they're actually
like? Hmm... could be amusing! ;-)
OTOH, I've also heard that horrible Time Warp song. Not sure I wanna
know what the show is like! (Amy tells me "if you haven't seen the Rocky
Horror Show, you must be a virgin!" How perceptive...)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:06:29 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>>> I almost always find that when [if] I get to see the music video for
>>> my favorite tune, it looks nothing like what you'd expect. Oh well!
>>
>> Well, that's also just fine - doesn't make your imagination any better
>> or worse than the imaginations of those who came up with the video.
>>
>> Film music is fun to do that with if you haven't seen the film yet. I
>> did that with the Untouchables soundtrack, and it was surprising with
>> some of the music how close I was to what was in the movie, and at
>> other times how very far off I was.
>
> Interesting thing: I have the soundtrack to Cats and Phantom of the
> Opera. However, I haven't seen the shows. I wonder what they're actually
> like? Hmm... could be amusing! ;-)
<g>
> OTOH, I've also heard that horrible Time Warp song. Not sure I wanna
> know what the show is like! (Amy tells me "if you haven't seen the Rocky
> Horror Show, you must be a virgin!" How perceptive...)
Actually, the film itself is quite funny (and very strange). The music
also isn't to my taste entirely, but I found the film entertaining at
least. It's a cult classic, so it's one of those things you either like
or you don't - I don't know that there's much of a middle ground.
Jim
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"Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news:
47ae15d1@news.povray.org...
> OTOH, I've also heard that horrible Time Warp song. Not sure I wanna know
> what the show is like! (Amy tells me "if you haven't seen the Rocky Horror
> Show, you must be a virgin!" How perceptive...)
There's no much point in watching The Rocky Horror Picture Show if you're
not in a theater with dozens of guys (and girls) in garter belts and panty
hoses throwing rice and water and shouting every line before they appear on
screen. If you ever find yourself in Paris, go to the Studio Galande either
on Friday or Saturday.
http://90plan.ovh.net/~rocky/frame.html?id=0}
G.
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Gail Shaw wrote:
> "andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
> news:47A### [at] hotmailcom...
>
>> I recently bought Paris Moon by Blackmore's Night (yes, the guy from
>> deep purple). I do like it but am not sure what category that would be.
>
> Another Blackmore's Night fan.
Fan may be a big word. I just recently came across them. I happen to
know a record shop where the owner knows something about music and knows
my taste. Then again, I don't know why it took 10 years to mention them.
> I recommend you try their albums Fires at
> Midnight (especially the song on it of the same title) and The Village
> Lantern (and again, especially the song of the same title)
>
Both songs are on the Paris Moon DVD and CD. Yet, I think I am indeed
going to buy some more, thanks for the suggestions. And yes that'll be
in the form of shiny discs. I still like physical things.
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> OTOH, I've also heard that horrible Time Warp song. Not sure I wanna
> know what the show is like! (Amy tells me "if you haven't seen the Rocky
> Horror Show, you must be a virgin!" How perceptive...)
>
What she didn't tell you is that 'virgin' is the technical term the
stage groups use to refer to folks who haven't seen it live. Seeing the
movie is one thing, watching it at a theater is another. And seeing it
in a theater with a group of people acting out side scenes, the audience
changing the script and shouting lines back at the film, while throwing
rice at each other, and dancing to most of the songs . . . is a
completely different experience.
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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:06:36 -0500, nemesis wrote:
> > no, no, no. Try to love the music for the music itself. Programme
> > music is so démodé...
>
> I have to disagree - you can love music for any number of reasons.
Yes, it's just that few people really do love music for the music itself. Many
associate certain music to special occasions in their lives and that's why they
enjoy it foremost. Many just enjoy music as a way to get together with other
people. Few have pleasure with just paying attention to it and marvel at the
heartpounding transformations and transfigurations...
the most abstract art is also the least really appreciated one...
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