nemesis wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> Well, no, *obviously* I've heard their music.
> 
> good.  Now I don't know what amuses me the most:  that you can't distinguish
> their  styles or that even being aquainted to Bach you're still listening to
> that much crap from the recording industry...

I see. So if it's new, it is by definition poor quality?

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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:30:32 -0500, Tim Cook wrote:

> Encryption, if it is decryptable, is therefore trivially decryptable?

If the content has to be decrypted in order to be used, then the answer 
is generally yes.  But not because of the algorithm used - most attacks 
don't attack the algorithm anymore, they attack the decryption mechanism.

For someone with the skills, extracting the necessary keys has become 
fairly trivial.  How long did it take for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray DVD 
encryption to be "broken"?

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:

>> So, what's in *your* CD collection?
> 
> Wagner's Ring (all four operas)
> Mozart early symphonies
> Beethoven symphonies
> Queen
> Enya
> The Eagles
> Mannheim Steamroller
> George Carlin
> Clannad
> A large number of movie soundtracks (Dracula, High Fidelity, LoTR)
> The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (all 5 radio series)
> Enigma
> Howard Hansen Symphonies
> Shostakovich
> 
> Quite a lot of other stuff as well, that's just a sample...

Predictably, I haven't heard of most of those. (My mum is very keen on 
Queen though. I like a few of their tracks, but overall it's just not my 
personal taste.)

Wait - there's a person on Earth apart from me who listens to Enigma? 
Woah...

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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:09:58 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:

> nemesis wrote:
>> that's a huge big pile of ... ;)
> 
> Yes, that's roughly the response I was expecting. :-P
> 
>> Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Chopin and company are spread throughout my
>> CDs and brand-new HD...
> 
> I like Bach. I wouldn't recognise any of the others...

I think you'd recognize Eine Kleine Nachtmusik - probably just didn't 
know it was Mozart.  Beethoven, I think you'd probably recognise the 
major symphonies (5 & 9), and possibly the Moonlight Sonata.

Chopin, I'm actually hard-pressed to come up with a song off the top of 
my head - most of his works were piano IIRC, and I didn't play piano.

Jim

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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I see. So if it's new, it is by definition poor quality?

Abba is not new.

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>> I see. So if it's new, it is by definition poor quality?
> 
> Abba is not new.

I didn't say that Abba was new. Or bad. You're the one saying my entire 
music collection sucks. :-P

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> Chopin, I'm actually hard-pressed to come up with a song off the top of
> my head - most of his works were piano IIRC, and I didn't play piano.

Chopin did not write songs:  mazurkas, valses, nocturnes, etudes and sonatas
were his main output.  You probably heard a lot of them, as well as the famous
funeral march movement from his second Sonata.

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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:18:51 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>>> So, what's in *your* CD collection?
>> 
>> Wagner's Ring (all four operas)
>> Mozart early symphonies
>> Beethoven symphonies
>> Queen
>> Enya
>> The Eagles
>> Mannheim Steamroller
>> George Carlin
>> Clannad
>> A large number of movie soundtracks (Dracula, High Fidelity, LoTR) The
>> Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (all 5 radio series) Enigma
>> Howard Hansen Symphonies
>> Shostakovich
>> 
>> Quite a lot of other stuff as well, that's just a sample...
> 
> Predictably, I haven't heard of most of those. (My mum is very keen on
> Queen though. I like a few of their tracks, but overall it's just not my
> personal taste.)

Most of them are classical composers.

> Wait - there's a person on Earth apart from me who listens to Enigma?
> Woah...

My brother introduced me.  I quite like it, though I haven't listened to 
it a lot.

Jim

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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:06:49 -0500, nemesis wrote:

> Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> Well, no, *obviously* I've heard their music.
> 
> good.  Now I don't know what amuses me the most:  that you can't
> distinguish their  styles or that even being aquainted to Bach you're
> still listening to that much crap from the recording industry...

In fairness, early Mozart has a lot of the same elements that Bach does 
in terms of style, even though they're from different time periods.  Now 
to someone who doesn't listen to classical music a lot, those differences 
are going to be fairly difficult to spot.

Just like I couldn't tell you the stylistic differences between, say, 
Metallica and AC/DC.

Jim

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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:34:57 -0500, nemesis wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> Chopin, I'm actually hard-pressed to come up with a song off the top of
>> my head - most of his works were piano IIRC, and I didn't play piano.
> 
> Chopin did not write songs:  mazurkas, valses, nocturnes, etudes and
> sonatas were his main output.  

Well, yes, but you know what I mean. ;-)

> You probably heard a lot of them, as well
> as the famous funeral march movement from his second Sonata.

Ah, yes, I probably have.  Though I prefer the one from Gotterdammerung 
or something like Saint-Saens' Danse Macabe. :-)

Jim

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>> Predictably, I haven't heard of most of those.
> 
> Most of them are classical composers.

I do enjoy certain forms of orchestral music. However, from what I can 
tell, most classical music isn't really to my taste.

>> Wait - there's a person on Earth apart from me who listens to Enigma?
>> Woah...
> 
> My brother introduced me.  I quite like it, though I haven't listened to 
> it a lot.

My best friend introduced me. Before she stopped talking to me...

Every time I listen, I end up wanting to turn off the light, take a deep 
breath, and light candles. Actually, last time I *did* light candles... 
hmm. LOL!

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> > Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> Well, no, *obviously* I've heard their music.
> >
> > good.  Now I don't know what amuses me the most:  that you can't
> > distinguish their  styles or that even being aquainted to Bach you're
> > still listening to that much crap from the recording industry...
>
> In fairness, early Mozart has a lot of the same elements that Bach does
> in terms of style, even though they're from different time periods.

oh, wait!  The Bach were talking about is the father, right?  But yes, early
Mozart owes a lot to Christian.  And early Beethoven to Mozart.  Influences,
admiration, the search of their own style, it's always the same thing for all.

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> Ah, yes, I probably have.  Though I prefer the one from Gotterdammerung

I heard that from opera excerpts.  It's ok, but it lacks Chopin's characteristic
melancholy.

> or something like Saint-Saens' Danse Macabre. :-)

that's better off as Halloween music... ;)

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I'm assuming a piano arrangement thereof rather than the original organ 
version requiring foot pedals?


Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> 
>> Yes, that's roughly the response I was expecting. :-P
> 
> I can play a large section of Bach's Toccata and Fuge in D minor from 
> memory, if that makes it any better?
>

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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:16:22 -0500, nemesis wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> > Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> >> Well, no, *obviously* I've heard their music.
>> >
>> > good.  Now I don't know what amuses me the most:  that you can't
>> > distinguish their  styles or that even being aquainted to Bach you're
>> > still listening to that much crap from the recording industry...
>>
>> In fairness, early Mozart has a lot of the same elements that Bach does
>> in terms of style, even though they're from different time periods.
> 
> oh, wait!  The Bach were talking about is the father, right?  

Well, J. S., but we could also be talking about C. P. E. Bach or even PDQ 
Bach (which is also in my collection <g>)

> But yes,
> early Mozart owes a lot to Christian.  And early Beethoven to Mozart. 
> Influences, admiration, the search of their own style, it's always the
> same thing for all.

Yep.  To the untrained ear, it can be hard to tell the difference.  I 
played violin for some 15 years, so I have a bit more musical education 
than Andy does, I imagine.  I imagine the case is similar for you.

Jim

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Kevin Wampler wrote:
> I'm assuming a piano arrangement thereof rather than the original organ 
> version requiring foot pedals?

>> I can play a large section of Bach's Toccata and Fuge in D minor from 
>> memory, if that makes it any better?

Er... well, you know, move the octaves around a little. ;-)

Actually, my synthesizer does have a quite good pipe organ preset. 
Obviously it doesn't shake the floor around like the real thing, but it 
sounds quite pleasing.

I also have a Moog synthesizer recording round here somewhere. It's 
really quite good. Although the tape is quite chewed up by now. As was 
the LP I recorded it from. Damn, if only the thing was still on sale...

Every time I try to play that thing, I find myself trying to figure out 
if Bach was a madman or a genius. Seriously - how the hell did he 
*think* of this stuff??

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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:20:47 -0500, nemesis wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> Ah, yes, I probably have.  Though I prefer the one from Gotterdammerung
> 
> I heard that from opera excerpts.  It's ok, but it lacks Chopin's
> characteristic melancholy.

Well, yes - Wagner was a bit louder, for one thing.  Still, Hagen's 
funeral march is quite spectacular, musically speaking.

>> or something like Saint-Saens' Danse Macabre. :-)
> 
> that's better off as Halloween music... ;)

True, true, and I can't believe I misspelled it (thanks for the silent 
spelling correction <g>).  After all, the disc is right here on my desk. 
<g>

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:

> Yep.  To the untrained ear, it can be hard to tell the difference.  I 
> played violin for some 15 years, so I have a bit more musical education 
> than Andy does, I imagine.  I imagine the case is similar for you.

Correct. I only played violin for 5 years.

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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:15:30 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:

>>> Predictably, I haven't heard of most of those.
>> 
>> Most of them are classical composers.
> 
> I do enjoy certain forms of orchestral music. However, from what I can
> tell, most classical music isn't really to my taste.

Entirely possible, though I think it helps to know the story behind the 
music - a lot of it tells a story.  For example, Berlioz's _Symphonie 
Fantastique_ tells a story about a guy who is in love but can't make it 
work out.  He decides to take opium, and the music itself is inspired by 
the idea of the opium-induced dreams he had as a result.

The fourth movement ends with him having his head cut off by a 
guillotine.  If you know the story, you can actually hear his head bounce 
down the steps after the blade falls.

Then you get into the 5th movement, which is him in the afterlife.  It 
ain't pretty (and yet it is).

The really fun thing is listening to that on the local classical radio 
station; it's run by Brigham Young University, a university of the LDS 
Church.  It seems clear to me that the announcers really don't know the 
story behind the music, or they'd never play it on the air.

>>> Wait - there's a person on Earth apart from me who listens to Enigma?
>>> Woah...
>> 
>> My brother introduced me.  I quite like it, though I haven't listened
>> to it a lot.
> 
> My best friend introduced me. Before she stopped talking to me...
> 
> Every time I listen, I end up wanting to turn off the light, take a deep
> breath, and light candles. Actually, last time I *did* light candles...
> hmm. LOL!

Which album or albums do you have?

Jim

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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Every time I try to play that thing, I find myself trying to figure out
> if Bach was a madman or a genius. Seriously - how the hell did he
> *think* of this stuff??

in this particular case, many scholars think it's not really a Bach work.  He
most probably adapted it to organ from some prior violin work...

If you think he's a madman for that one, wait until you hear some pieces from
The Art of Fugue/Die Künst der Fuge... :)

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Jim Henderson wrote:
...
> Actually, I was surprised that the Amazon downloadable Complete LOTR 
> soundtracks are in MP3 format.  I don't *think* there's any DRM involved 
> (which was really surprising).

But maybe they can tell who bought the mp3 file by looking at it...

http://www.google.com/search?q=mp3+watermark+amazon

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nemesis wrote:
> If you think he's a madman for that one, wait until you hear some pieces from
> The Art of Fugue/Die Künst der Fuge... :)

I was blown away the first time I listened through that while following 
along in with the score.  There was so much that I missing that I was 
astounded by the technical virtuosity (I think it's also fantastic music 
on the non-technical side as well of course).

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Warp wrote:
>   Of course in the case of music you don't need any encryption key, as
> the decryption key is enough to do what you want. The only way to protect
> that is to protect the decryption key and the decryption process in such
> way that you can't get hold of it.

You also have to protect the decrypted content, which is rather 
difficult to accomplish without corrupting every bit of hardware and 
software through which it flows.

(Maybe that's what you meant by "decryption process" tho.)

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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> Orchid XP v7 escribió:
>>> I'm not seeing a way this can be made to work properly...
>>
>> But it has been done, and it works, so how about doing some research?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairPlay#How_it_works
> 
> Right. So the decryption key is stored seperately from the actual file. 
> Thus, all you have to do is figure out how to copy the decryption key as 
> well and you can copy the data to as many million iPods as you want. QED.

Exactly.  Indeed, scroll down to the next section. :-)

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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:20:53 +0100, Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> ...
>> Actually, I was surprised that the Amazon downloadable Complete LOTR
>> soundtracks are in MP3 format.  I don't *think* there's any DRM
>> involved (which was really surprising).
> 
> But maybe they can tell who bought the mp3 file by looking at it...
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=mp3+watermark+amazon

I'm sure they probably can.  That's a bit different than DRM, though, 
which has the explicit stated goal of preventing people from 
"inappropriate use".  Watermarking allows them to act reactivley - and I 
believe is fairly easy to remove anyways...

mplayer -ao pcm:file=temp.wav file.mp3
lame -h temp.wav file-without-watermark.mp3

(Might have the parameters wrong, but I think you know what I mean).

Jim

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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:35:37 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> Yep.  To the untrained ear, it can be hard to tell the difference.  I
>> played violin for some 15 years, so I have a bit more musical education
>> than Andy does, I imagine.  I imagine the case is similar for you.
> 
> Correct. I only played violin for 5 years.

You played violin?  That's cool. :-)

Did you just take lessons in school, or private lessons, or self-study?

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> mplayer -ao pcm:file=temp.wav file.mp3

Excellent. I'm going to have to do this on some 4 million mp3 files next 
week. Good to know which program can do that. :-)

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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:28:05 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> mplayer -ao pcm:file=temp.wav file.mp3
> 
> Excellent. I'm going to have to do this on some 4 million mp3 files next
> week. Good to know which program can do that. :-)

Scripting is a wonderful thing, ain't it? ;-)

(and incidentally, I actually got the parameters right! :-) )

Jim

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Darren New escribió:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> mplayer -ao pcm:file=temp.wav file.mp3
> 
> Excellent. I'm going to have to do this on some 4 million mp3 files next 
> week. Good to know which program can do that. :-)
> 

I think LAME itself can do it.

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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:56:23 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> Darren New escribió:
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> mplayer -ao pcm:file=temp.wav file.mp3
>> 
>> Excellent. I'm going to have to do this on some 4 million mp3 files
>> next week. Good to know which program can do that. :-)
>> 
>> 
> I think LAME itself can do it.

Yeah, probably - I thought about that and then thought "well, if you 
convert to WAV first, you know any MP3 tag info will be wiped out and the 
raw format will be rewritten, probably removing any embedded watermarks"

Jim

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Invisible wrote:
> OK, when I scan my eyes across my CD collection, this is what I see:
> 
> Enya
> Enigma
> ABBA
> ELO
> Pink Floyd
> The Beach Boys
> The Prodigy
> Catatonia [International Velvet]
> Madonna [Ray of Light]
> The Chemical Brothers
> Ace of Base
> 2 Unlimited
> Penulum [Hold Your Colour]
> Tangerine Dream
> Robert Miles
> Craftwerk
> Space [Spiders, Tin Planet]
> Alisha's Attick [Alisha Rules the World]
> Madness [Lovestruck]
> Dope Smugglaz [Double Double Dutch]
> Grove Armada [Best Of]
> They Might Be Giants
> Jem [Finally Woken]
> Natasha Beddingfield [Unwritten]
> Sonique [Hear My Cry]
> Smashmouth
> Gorillaz [Gorillaz]
> Holst [The Planets]
> Jerry Goldsmith [The Secret of NIMH soundtrack]
> John Williams [Star Wars I soundtrack]
> Howard Shore [LofR complete soundtrack]
> Jeff Wayne [War of the Worlds]
> The Trance Box
> Trance Euphoria
> Trance Anthems
> 
> I'm not entirely sure how that lot doesn't spontaneously self-destruct 
> just by being in such close proximity to each other, but anyway...

I don't think it's that strange a connection, it is  sort of diverse, 
but in a way that I have seen before.  The TMBG album is a good key that 
this is a "geek who likes listening to music" sort of collection, so 
I've seen several of my friends showing similar tasted.  Any ones you're 
particularly find of that I might take a listen to?

Also, why is Holst's The Planets always the only classical CD in these 
collections, I don't get it.

> So, what's in *your* CD collection?

Hey, that's more fun than work, thanks for the excuse to procrastinate!

I've organized them a bit by category, and left out all MP3s, which I 
probably account for 2/3 of my music volume.

--------------------[ rock-ish ]------------------------
Beatles [Magical Mystery Tour] (I need more Beatles music)
Blind Guardian [Nightfall in Middle Earth]
Dream Theater [Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes form a Memory]
Final Fantasy [Has a Good Home]
Godspeed You Black Emperor [Assorted CDs]
King Crimson [In the Court of the Crimson King, Larks' Tongues in Aspic]
Manu Chao [Clandestino]
Mars Volta [De-Loused in the Comatorium, Francis the Mute, Amputechture]
Mogwai [Mr. Beast]
Offspring [Smash]
Pink Floyd [Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here]
Radiohead [The Bends, Ok Computer, Kid A]
Raffi [Baby Belua]
Saint Rorschach [Transference]
Sigur Ros [Takk]
Steve Burns [Songs for Dustmites]
We vs. Death [We Too Are Concerned, We Are Too Concerned]
Yes [Close to the Edge]

----------------------[ classical ]-----------------------
Achron [Violin Concerto, The Golem Suite, Excerpts from Belshazzar]
Alkan [Etudes Op.39, assorted other piano works]
Bach (JS) [Passions, concertos, organ works, violin works, etc.]
Bartok [Violin Sonatas]
Beethoven [Symphonies, Missa Solemnis, Concertos, String Quartets, etc.]
Brahms [Symphonies, Concertos, German Requiem, etc.]
Busoni [Concerto, assorted piano works]
Chopin [Most of it, excepting concertos (which are MP3)]
Debussy [La Mer, Prelude a l'apres-midi d'un faune]
Dvorak [Symphonies Nos. 8 & 9, Te Deum, Cypresses, String Quartet No.14]
Franck [Organ Music]
Glass [String Quartets]
Glazounov [The Seasons]
Godowsky [Studies on Chopin's Etudes]
Gorecki [Symphony No.3]
Grieg [Peer Gynt, Piano Concerto, etc.]
Janacek [String Quartets, Violin Sonata, piano music, Glagolitic Mass]
Khachaturian [Piano Concerto]
Kapustin [Piano music]
Ligeti [Requiem, orchestral music, piano music]
Litolff [Concerto Symphonique Nos. 2 & 4]
Liszt [Piano music, Organ music, Faust Symphony]
Lutoslawski [Symphonies Nos. 3 & 4]
Medtner [Piano Sonatas, Forgotten Melodies]
Mendelssohn [Symphonies Nos. 3 & 4, The Hebrides Overture]
Messian [Quartet for the End of Time]
Mozart [Late Symphonies, assorted concertos, etc.]
Nielsen [Symphonies Nos. 1-3]
Orff [Carmina Burana]
Pendrecki [Threnody, Symphony, etc.]
Poulenc [Piano Concertos, Organ Concerto, assorted other]
Prokofiev [Piano Concerto No. 3]
Rachmaninov [Piano Concertos, Symphony No. 2, The Rock]
Reger [Assorted organ works]
Reich [Different Trains]
Rimsky-Korsakov [Scheherazade, Russian Easter Festival Overture]
Rodrigo [Guitar Concertos]
Rzewski [The People United Will Never Be Defeated]
Saint-Saens [Piano Concertos]
Schubert [Piano music, Symphony No. 9, String Quartets, assorted songs, 
etc.]
Schumann [Piano music]
Scriabin [Piano sonatas]
Shostakovich [String Quartets]
Sieblius [Symphonies Nos. 4 & 5]
Smetata [Ma Vlast]
Sorabji [Transcendental Studies Nos. 1-25]
Strauss (Richard) [Symphonic Poems, Metamorphosen, Four Last Songs, etc.]
Stravinsky [The Rite of Spring, Petrushka, Violin Concerto]
Tchaikovski [Symphonies Nos. 5 & 6, Swan Lake Suite, Nutcracker Suite]
Turnage [Fractured Lines]
Villa-Lobos [Piano music]
Ysaye [Violin Sonatas]

-------------[ Multi-composer classical CDs ]-------------
Glazunov & Goedicke Piano Concertos
Korngold & Marx Piano Concertos
Rubinstein & Scharwenka Piano Concertos
Misc other compilations

----------------------[ Operas ]---------------------------
Bizet [Carmen]
Glass [Einstein on the Beach] (sort of an opera)
Mussorgsky [Boris Godounov]
Poulenc [Dialogues of the Carmelites]
Purcell [Dido and Aeneas]
Wagner [Ring Cycle, Parsafal]


I've obviously heard more than is listed here, but suggestions for 
things I'm not familiar with that I should listen to are welcome.

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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:45:20 -0800, Kevin Wampler wrote:

> Also, why is Holst's The Planets always the only classical CD in these
> collections, I don't get it.

I had forgotten to mention that one; I've got two different recordings of 
that on CD, and one on cassette. :-)

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:

> You played violin?  That's cool. :-)
> 
> Did you just take lessons in school, or private lessons, or self-study?

All students at my school were required to learn violin and recorder. 
But then the music teacher retired, and the music lessens stopped. 
Eventually they found a replacement, but we only learned how to play 
electronic keyboard [or rather, how to call up the autobacking]. Oh, and 
guitar. Ever heard a Persian guy sing "Amazing Grace"? That song is 
boring at the best of times...

Interesting fact: When *you* play a violin, it sounds nothing like what 
you hear on the TV. It sounds like somebody dragging a strip of horse 
hair over a cheese wire. (Which, actually, is what it is.) I always 
assumed my violin was just naff. But then one day the teacher is, like, 
"no no Andrew, that F is flat. Give me that!" She takes my violin and 
plays what I had just been playing. Except it sounds amazing.

Um, OK. So it's *me* that's naff. :-|

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>> I do enjoy certain forms of orchestral music. However, from what I can
>> tell, most classical music isn't really to my taste.
> 
> Entirely possible, though I think it helps to know the story behind the 
> music - a lot of it tells a story.

Yeah, probably.

>> Every time I listen, I end up wanting to turn off the light, take a deep
>> breath, and light candles. Actually, last time I *did* light candles...
>> hmm. LOL!
> 
> Which album or albums do you have?

MCMXC AD, The Cross of Changes, Le Roi est mort, vive lr Roi, The Screen 
Behind the Mirror, LSD, Voyageur, A Posterioiri. I also have the DVD 
Remember the Future.

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"Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> You played violin?  That's cool. :-)
>>
>> Did you just take lessons in school, or private lessons, or self-study?
>
> All students at my school were required to learn violin and recorder. But 
> then the music teacher retired, and the music lessens stopped. Eventually 
> they found a replacement, but we only learned how to play electronic 
> keyboard [or rather, how to call up the autobacking]. Oh, and guitar. Ever 
> heard a Persian guy sing "Amazing Grace"? That song is boring at the best 
> of times...
>
> Interesting fact: When *you* play a violin, it sounds nothing like what 
> you hear on the TV. It sounds like somebody dragging a strip of horse hair 
> over a cheese wire. (Which, actually, is what it is.) I always assumed my 
> violin was just naff. But then one day the teacher is, like, "no no 
> Andrew, that F is flat. Give me that!" She takes my violin and plays what 
> I had just been playing. Except it sounds amazing.
>
> Um, OK. So it's *me* that's naff. :-|
>

If you can become very good with violin and play Paganini's Caprices 
(especially #16 and #5) and you switch over to electric guitar and master 
the Caprices on guitar, you could really rock. especially if you can learn 
to improvise as well.

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Kevin Wampler wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> I'm not entirely sure how that lot doesn't spontaneously self-destruct 
>> just by being in such close proximity to each other, but anyway...
> 
> I don't think it's that strange a connection, it is  sort of diverse, 
> but in a way that I have seen before.  The TMBG album is a good key that 
> this is a "geek who likes listening to music" sort of collection, so 
> I've seen several of my friends showing similar tasted.  Any ones you're 
> particularly find of that I might take a listen to?

My favourite TMBG album has got to be Factory Showroom or Spines. As for 
other guys... if you haven't heard Tangerine Dream, give it a whirl. If 
you enjoy crazy synthesizer music, that is...

> Also, why is Holst's The Planets always the only classical CD in these 
> collections, I don't get it.

I bought it for Mars, but it turns out there are several other seriously 
cool tracks on there. I seem to have picked a particularly good 
recording too, which is nice. Neptune is just... wow.

BTW, note that it's far from being the only orchestral recording. It's 
just the only one that's written a long time ago. There's a couple of 
other classical pieces I'd like to own - but good luck finding them! (Or 
even finding out their names...)

And ah... woah. You have a much bigger music collection than me. And 
[surprise!] I've never heard of most of it.

I have run into the name "Mogwai" several times though. I have no idea 
what that sounds like. Similarly, every time I go into a music shop I 
find myself wanting to by YES albums just to look at the pictures... no 
idea what the music sounds like.

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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:19:28 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>So, what's in *your* CD collection?

If it is of any interest to anyone, last week My wife bought the CDs below. We
probably won't listen to all of them but we have them if we want too. They
hardly register in our collection.

7CDs HAYDN Symphonies 73-92 Austro-Hung Haydn O/Fischer 
7CDs HAYDN Symphonies 30-51 Austro-Hung Haydn O/Fischer
CD BEETHOVEN Christ on the Mount of Olives - H Rilling 
CD BEETHOVEN Concert Arias - Berlin Staatskapelle/Apelt
5CDs BEETHOVEN Piano Variations & Bagatelles - Brendel
11CDs SHOSTAKOVICH Complete Symphonies 1-15 Barshai
2CDs BEETHOVEN Complete Cello Sonatas Heinrich Schiff 
CD DVORAK Complete Slavonic Dances Op 46, Op 72 RoyalPO
2CDs DVORAK Slavonic Dances & Other Music for PianoDuet 
CD DVORAK Symphony No 8 in G - RoyalPO/Yehudi Menuhin
5CDs HAYDN Symphonies 93-104 Austro-HungHaydn O/Fischer
7CDs HAYDN Symphonies 52-72 Austro-Hung Haydn O/Fischer
4CDs BEETHOVEN Lieder/Songs - Peter Schreier (tenor)etc 
CD BEETHOVEN Ruins of Athens, King Stephen Incid.Music
CD BEETHOVEN Rare Piano Works - Georg Friedrich Schenck

Regards
	Stephen

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On Fri,  8 Feb 2008 14:23:33 EST, "nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

>
>"I wouldn't recognise any of the others", the other being Beethoven and Mozart.
>Come on!  Even the chinese behind the Great Wall know Beethoven and Mozart!!
>

Sadly this view is all too common in Britain :(

Regards
	Stephen

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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Interesting fact: When *you* play a violin, it sounds nothing like what
> you hear on the TV. It sounds like somebody dragging a strip of horse
> hair over a cheese wire.

hey!  You sound like Sherlock Holmes on violin! ;)

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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> > Entirely possible, though I think it helps to know the story behind the
> > music - a lot of it tells a story.
>
> Yeah, probably.

no, no, no.  Try to love the music for the music itself.  Programme music is so
démodé...

Music is the art of transformation.  It's math that pleases the ears and the
soul.  The story it presents is entirely subjective from individual to
individual.

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Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> wrote:
> >"I wouldn't recognise any of the others", the other being Beethoven and Mozart.
> >Come on!  Even the chinese behind the Great Wall know Beethoven and Mozart!!
>
> Sadly this view is all too common in Britain :(

I thought so.  Perhaps just Elgar, Handel, Johann Christian Bach, Haydn and a
few others who actually went to England are appreciated, which is a shame.
Perhaps the British should come out of their hobbit-holes more often and see
what a big world full of wonders it is out there...

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nemesis wrote:
> Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> wrote:
>>> "I wouldn't recognise any of the others", the other being Beethoven and Mozart.
>>> Come on!  Even the chinese behind the Great Wall know Beethoven and Mozart!!
>> Sadly this view is all too common in Britain :(
> 
> I thought so.  Perhaps just Elgar, Handel, Johann Christian Bach, Haydn and a
> few others who actually went to England are appreciated, which is a shame.
> Perhaps the British should come out of their hobbit-holes more often and see
> what a big world full of wonders it is out there...

Oh, sure, because *one* person who lives in Britain doesn't like 
classical music all that much, the whole country must be like that. ;-)

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Dnia 08.02.2008 Gail Shaw <initialsurname@sentech> napisał/a:
>
> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
> news:47ac757e@news.povray.org...
>>
>> As a practical matter - I'm not aware of anybody who permits you to
>> obtain MP3s legally. (Or at least, MP3s of commercial music anyway.)
>
> Amazon. Apple. To name just 2

Jamendo http://www.jamendo.com/en/

A.

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:20:53 +0100, Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
> 
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> ...
>>> Actually, I was surprised that the Amazon downloadable Complete LOTR
>>> soundtracks are in MP3 format.  I don't *think* there's any DRM
>>> involved (which was really surprising).
>> But maybe they can tell who bought the mp3 file by looking at it...
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=mp3+watermark+amazon
> 
> I'm sure they probably can.  That's a bit different than DRM, though, 
> which has the explicit stated goal of preventing people from 
> "inappropriate use".  Watermarking allows them to act reactivley - and I 
> believe is fairly easy to remove anyways...
> 
> mplayer -ao pcm:file=temp.wav file.mp3
> lame -h temp.wav file-without-watermark.mp3

Yes, but then you assume that the watermarking is done on the bit-level.

What if they change the music somewhat in a way that will survive format
conversion ? (E.g. tiny changes in volume levels within a frequency
band, small phase shifts, changes in the dynamic range, added noise or
a combination of some of these.)

There will only have to be minor changes to the sound, as they will only
have to encode something like e.g. 30 bits into more than 100s of sound
in 2 channels.

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Invisible wrote:
> OK, when I scan my eyes across my CD collection, this is what I see:
> 
[snip list]
> So, what's in *your* CD collection?
> 
three main streams
- progressive/symphonic rock and related (Ayreon, Yes, Rush, Fish, 
Within Temptation, Vangelis ...)
- Folk and related (Mary Black, Meav, Loreena McKennitt, Janis Ian, Eric 
Bogle, Fairport Convention, Christy Moore, Mary Coughlan...)
- Classical and opera (Wagner, Bach, Beethoven, Purcell, Mahler, Haydn...)

alongside these
- a small section of pop-like (Bowie, Dire Straights, Joy division, Kate 
Bush...)
- a collection of somewhat rarer music a.o. Hildegard von Bingen, 
family, and things picked up on holidays.

I recently bought Paris Moon by Blackmore's Night (yes, the guy from 
deep purple). I do like it but am not sure what category that would be.

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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> 
> Ever heard a Persian guy sing "Amazing Grace"? That song is 
> boring at the best of times...
> 
just to be sure, we are talking about this boring piece?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pK4PtJiOPE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3XdXEJEI4E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHpye0M34JQ

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> I recently bought Paris Moon by Blackmore's Night (yes, the guy from
> deep purple). I do like it but am not sure what category that would be.

Another Blackmore's Night fan. I recommend you try their albums Fires at
Midnight (especially the song on it of the same title) and The Village
Lantern (and again, especially the song of the same title)

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andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> >
> > Ever heard a Persian guy sing "Amazing Grace"? That song is
> > boring at the best of times...
> >
> just to be sure, we are talking about this boring piece?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pK4PtJiOPE
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3XdXEJEI4E
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHpye0M34JQ

Orchid's tastes are kinda awkward...

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andrel wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>>
>> Ever heard a Persian guy sing "Amazing Grace"? That song is boring at 
>> the best of times...
>>
> just to be sure, we are talking about this boring piece?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pK4PtJiOPE
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3XdXEJEI4E
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHpye0M34JQ

Yes, that one.

(And trust me, even the most interesting song sounds boring when played 
on a guitar using 3 chords and a flat strumming rhythem. So when you 
start with a boring song in the first place... Not Good.)

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pK4PtJiOPE

Oh wow, she can sing.

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