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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Game opinions
Date: 6 Feb 2008 05:25:56
Message: <47a98b34$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
>>> Isn't that rather like siting how many people have climbed Everest, 
>>> thus *proving* that it's not impossibly difficult?
>>
>> Climbing Everest *isn't* impossibly difficult.  Extremely hard, yes, 
>> but not impossible, nor even unthinkable.
> 
> Hmm, let me see now... And how many people have actually achieved this 
> in all of human history? 6? 8? It's a pretty small number, given how 
> many millions of humans are out there. ;-)

Rubbish! You get more than that on the summit at once if the weather's 
good, these days.

:)

PS I'm not joking.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Game opinions
Date: 6 Feb 2008 05:27:54
Message: <47a98baa@news.povray.org>
>>> Isn't that rather like siting how many people have climbed Everest, thus 
>>> *proving* that it's not impossibly difficult?
>>
>> Climbing Everest *isn't* impossibly difficult.  Extremely hard, yes, but 
>> not impossible, nor even unthinkable.
>
> Hmm, let me see now... And how many people have actually achieved this in 
> all of human history? 6? 8? It's a pretty small number, given how many 
> millions of humans are out there. ;-)

How many people have sat in my desk chair?  Only 2 or maybe 3 of the 6 
billion people in the world - it must be *really* difficult!

Anyway, to quote from Google:

"Because of the extreme conditions experienced on Mount Everest, fatalities 
are commonplace. To date, 179 people have died trying to reach the summit, 
which sets the fatality rate at around nine percent. Most of these 
fatalities happened before 1990. In the last ten years, advances in climbing 
equipment and more experienced guides have resulted in a steep drop in 
fatality statistics: from 37% in 1990 to 4.4% in 2004."

So it seems that if you are well prepared then you can expect a 90 - 95% 
chance of success.  Still pretty low compared to most other mountains, and I 
don't think I would like to go somewhere with even a 5% chance of not coming 
back.


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From: Gilles Tran
Subject: Re: Game opinions
Date: 6 Feb 2008 05:39:15
Message: <47a98e53$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
47a9857a$1@news.povray.org...
> Hmm, let me see now... And how many people have actually achieved this in 
> all of human history? 6? 8? It's a pretty small number, given how many 
> millions of humans are out there. ;-)

Actually more than 2000 people have done it. One guy even did it 17 times, 
another did it 3 times last year.

G.

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Game opinions
Date: 6 Feb 2008 05:48:16
Message: <op.t53mtidsc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:03:09 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake, saying:

> Invisible wrote:
>
>> You're telling me a human being can survive falling from more than 12  
>> feet?
>
> I rephrase:
>
> There are people who have eaten broken glass and lived. There are people  
> who have been drowned for 35 minutes and survived without brain damage.  
> And there are people who have survived cyanide poisoning. However,  
> *normally* all of these are fatal.
>
> Are you telling me it's *normal* for a human being to survive a 4-story  
> drop?

Apparently the cut-off point is 30ft.

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Game opinions
Date: 6 Feb 2008 05:51:08
Message: <op.t53myae4c3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:57:06 -0000, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> did  
spake, saying:

> scott <sco### [at] laptopcom> wrote:
>> Just wait a year or two and you'll probably start seeing games that are  
>> DX10 only.
>
>   Which is a pitty, really, because I won't be able to play them.

^pity - you've been reading Andy's posts to often :-)

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From: Nekar Xenos
Subject: Re: Game opinions
Date: 6 Feb 2008 05:54:16
Message: <47a991d8@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:47a985de$1@news.povray.org...
> Invisible wrote:
>
>> You're telling me a human being can survive falling from more than 12 
>> feet?
>
> I rephrase:
>
> There are people who have eaten broken glass and lived. There are people 
> who have been drowned for 35 minutes and survived without brain damage. 
> And there are people who have survived cyanide poisoning. However, 
> *normally* all of these are fatal.
>
> Are you telling me it's *normal* for a human being to survive a 4-story 
> drop?
It depends on how you land.
A few cases at buildings where I used to live:
A drunk fell off a second story ledge and his brains were scatrtered all 
over.
Some-one else jumped off the 7th floor and lived.

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Game opinions
Date: 6 Feb 2008 06:03:14
Message: <op.t53nies2c3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:48:00 -0000, Phil Cook  
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> did spake, saying:

> And lo on Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:57:06 -0000, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg>  
> did spake, saying:
>
>> scott <sco### [at] laptopcom> wrote:
>>> Just wait a year or two and you'll probably start seeing games that  
>>> are DX10 only.
>>
>>   Which is a pitty, really, because I won't be able to play them.
>
> ^pity - you've been reading Andy's posts to often :-)

^too often damnit :-)

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Game opinions
Date: 6 Feb 2008 06:39:59
Message: <47a99c8f$1@news.povray.org>
>>>   Which is a pitty, really, because I won't be able to play them.
>>
>> ^pity - you've been reading Andy's posts to often :-)
> 
> ^too often damnit :-)

^ 0wned >:-D

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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: Game opinions
Date: 6 Feb 2008 11:41:38
Message: <47a9e342@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:47a985de$1@news.povray.org...

> Are you telling me it's *normal* for a human being to survive a 4-story
> drop?

12 feet is not four stories. If it was, the ceiling of each floor of that
building would be less than a metre from the floor.

12 feet = four meters. Here a story is around 3-3.5 metres. Therefor 12 feet
= 4 metres = just over 1 story. Not exactly difficult.


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: Game opinions
Date: 6 Feb 2008 22:06:23
Message: <47aa75af$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> scott <sco### [at] laptopcom> wrote:
>> Just wait a year or two and you'll probably start seeing games that are DX10 
>> only.
> 
>   Which is a pitty, really, because I won't be able to play them.
> 

Yeah, and it's a pity that I can't play Zelda: Twilight Princess on my 
PC, too!

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Game opinions
Date: 6 Feb 2008 22:40:16
Message: <47aa7da0$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
>>> Isn't that rather like siting how many people have climbed Everest, 
>>> thus *proving* that it's not impossibly difficult?
>>
>> Climbing Everest *isn't* impossibly difficult.  Extremely hard, yes, 
>> but not impossible, nor even unthinkable.
> 
> Hmm, let me see now... And how many people have actually achieved this 
> in all of human history? 6? 8? It's a pretty small number, given how 
> many millions of humans are out there. ;-)

Actually, no. Getting up there the first time is hard. The second time, 
you hand-over-hand up the ropes the first team left.

Nowadays, I understand the trail guides are thinking it's too crowded, 
and that someone is going to get hurt by someone above falling.

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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Game opinions
Date: 7 Feb 2008 05:40:03
Message: <47aae003@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>>>> Isn't that rather like siting how many people have climbed Everest, 
>>>> thus *proving* that it's not impossibly difficult?
>>>
>>> Climbing Everest *isn't* impossibly difficult.  Extremely hard, yes, 
>>> but not impossible, nor even unthinkable.
>>
>> Hmm, let me see now... And how many people have actually achieved this 
>> in all of human history? 6? 8? It's a pretty small number, given how 
>> many millions of humans are out there. ;-)
> 
> Actually, no. Getting up there the first time is hard. The second time, 
> you hand-over-hand up the ropes the first team left.
> 
> Nowadays, I understand the trail guides are thinking it's too crowded, 
> and that someone is going to get hurt by someone above falling.

Litter is a problem too, especially items like oxygen bottles. I 
remember reading something about the Nepalese government paying a sort 
of 'bounty' on discarded items brought down off the mountain by guides etc.


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