Eero Ahonen wrote:

> Sounds somewhat familiar...

Actually, thinking about it... Warp works in game development. I bet he 
comes across all kinds of hopeless people who think they know how to 
develop games. (Or that ask him to develop games for them, or...)

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Invisible wrote:
> Which is doubly amusing since Atomino is a puzzle game and doesn't 
> feature any "characters" at all...

Heh.  "If the companion cube *does* speak, Aperture Science recommends 
you disregard its advice."

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Usually the comments end up degenerating into some sort of flamewar, but 
> I find that the stories themselves tend to point me at things that are 
> interesting.

	I think that's being harsh. For that kind of site, Slashdot has the
best quality of comments that I've seen. Sites like Digg and Reddit pale
in that regard.

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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> 
> Actually, thinking about it... Warp works in game development. I bet he
> comes across all kinds of hopeless people who think they know how to
> develop games. (Or that ask him to develop games for them, or...)
> 

We have this club, with which we keep max. week-long camps for
youngsters (usually 'bout 10-16 years old) to learn IT-skills. At first
night we ask them what they want to learn (programming, raytracing,
networking, hardware, Linux etc...). Some years ago for couple of
summers there was always 2-3 new kids, who had no idea of programming
and they answered like "I want to learn how to code something like Doom"
(Doom being an actual part of these answer - and surely the most popular!).

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Eero Ahonen wrote:

> We have this club, with which we keep max. week-long camps for
> youngsters (usually 'bout 10-16 years old) to learn IT-skills. At first
> night we ask them what they want to learn (programming, raytracing,
> networking, hardware, Linux etc...). Some years ago for couple of
> summers there was always 2-3 new kids, who had no idea of programming
> and they answered like "I want to learn how to code something like Doom"
> (Doom being an actual part of these answer - and surely the most popular!).

Oh, that's cute. (How many million LoC is Doom? Sure, it does software 
rendering, but even so...) ;-)

My response is typically of the form "learning how to program a computer 
is like learning to speak French. It takes more than 5 minutes..."

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On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:20:03 -0600, Mueen Nawaz wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Usually the comments end up degenerating into some sort of flamewar,
>> but I find that the stories themselves tend to point me at things that
>> are interesting.
> 
> 	I think that's being harsh. For that kind of site, Slashdot has 
the
> best quality of comments that I've seen. Sites like Digg and Reddit pale
> in that regard.

Well, yes, it does vary from story to story - but I also read unfiltered, 
if I filtered them so I saw the interesting/insightful comments 
primarily, that probably would make a difference.

I always remember the types of responses Nat Friedman or Miguel de Icaza 
end up getting after putting in their 2c.  The people writing to them are 
*usually* not very nice.

Jim

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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> 
> Oh, that's cute. 

And useful - we make a couple of new nerds every year ;). Just try to
guess what I started doing every summer when I was 10 years old (missed
1 year so far, I'm 26 now).

> (How many million LoC is Doom? Sure, it does software
> rendering, but even so...) ;-)

For the record, I have actually no idea.

> My response is typically of the form "learning how to program a computer
> is like learning to speak French. It takes more than 5 minutes..."

We just teach them to program. Pretty soon they'll notice it's not
*that* easy, but some of them get into programming and continue it :).

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On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:10:26 +0100, Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> How many million LoC is Doom?


Download it, and find out.

http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=14576


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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>> Oh, that's cute. 
> 
> And useful - we make a couple of new nerds every year ;).

Yeah, like me :P Well yeah, I guess I would have become a nerd anyways,
but still, that's the place where I first learnt raytracing ;)

>> My response is typically of the form "learning how to program a computer
>> is like learning to speak French. It takes more than 5 minutes..."

Programming is a lot easier than learning French... At least if you ask me.

> 
> We just teach them to program. Pretty soon they'll notice it's not
> *that* easy, but some of them get into programming and continue it :).
> 

Yep.

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Arttu Voutilainen wrote:
> 
> Yeah, like me :P 

And me ;).

> Well yeah, I guess I would have become a nerd anyways,

I'd bet on that.

> but still, that's the place where I first learnt raytracing ;)

And Linux ;). Possibly programming also?

> Programming is a lot easier than learning French... At least if you ask me.

I can agree. I know some programming, but no French.

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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Arttu Voutilainen wrote:
>> Yeah, like me :P 
> 
> And me ;).
> 
>> Well yeah, I guess I would have become a nerd anyways,
> 
> I'd bet on that.
> 
>> but still, that's the place where I first learnt raytracing ;)
> 
> And Linux ;). Possibly programming also?

Well, yeah, but you installed me Linux and taught me to program even
before ;P

> 
>> Programming is a lot easier than learning French... At least if you ask me.
> 
> I can agree. I know some programming, but no French.
> 

I know some of both, but I still prefer programming...

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Arttu Voutilainen wrote:
> Well, yeah, but you installed me Linux and taught me to program even
> before ;P

Nnnnnope, IIRC I installed Debian for you at the camp. It was the
K6(-2?) machine (300MHz oslt).

Btw, I'd still have a faster prosessor suitable for the mobo somewhere :D.

>>> Programming is a lot easier than learning French... At least if you ask me.
>> I can agree. I know some programming, but no French.
>>
> 
> I know some of both, but I still prefer programming...

Well, C(++) is spoken everywhere around the world, French just in few
spots... :p

> -- Arttu Voutilainen


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Eero Ahonen escribió:
> Well, C(++) is spoken everywhere around the world, French just in few
> spots... :p

I remember a quote... "The Bible should be translated to some universal 
language... like ANSI C".

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On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:10:02 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> I remember a quote... "The Bible should be translated to some universal
> language... like ANSI C".

I would've thought C++, after all, object instantiation is easier in OOP.

Then again, God could just use delcarations, I suppose.... ;-)

Jim

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> I remember a quote... "The Bible should be translated to some universal 
> language... like ANSI C".

http://www.bash.org/?201

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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Arttu Voutilainen wrote:
>> Well, yeah, but you installed me Linux and taught me to program even
>> before ;P
> 
> Nnnnnope, IIRC I installed Debian for you at the camp. It was the
> K6(-2?) machine (300MHz oslt).

Hmm.. Actually, I guess your right.

> 
> Btw, I'd still have a faster prosessor suitable for the mobo somewhere :D.
> 

Well, that comp is eating dust somewhere nowdays, so it doesn't really
matter so much.

>>>> Programming is a lot easier than learning French... At least if you ask me.
>>> I can agree. I know some programming, but no French.
>>>
>> I know some of both, but I still prefer programming...
> 
> Well, C(++) is spoken everywhere around the world, French just in few
> spots... :p
> 

Yep.


>> -- Arttu Voutilainen
> 
> 

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In article <47a8bafa$1@news.povray.org>, nos### [at] nospamcom says...
> On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:10:02 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> 
> > I remember a quote... "The Bible should be translated to some universal
> > language... like ANSI C".
> 
> I would've thought C++, after all, object instantiation is easier in OOP.
> 
> Then again, God could just use delcarations, I suppose.... ;-)
> 
Are you kidding? God used MFC. Even he can't get around the limitations 
of the API library and even *simple* stuff that should be possible 
instead requires complex and crazy work arounds, which are so difficult 
or cost ineffective to manage, it would be easier to just start over 
with a new universe and a make a new API for it. ;)

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      call DRM_everything();
    }
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  }
  else
    call crash_windows();
}

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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> In article <47a8bafa$1@news.povray.org>, nos### [at] nospamcom says...
>> On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:10:02 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>>
>>> I remember a quote... "The Bible should be translated to some universal
>>> language... like ANSI C".
>> I would've thought C++, after all, object instantiation is easier in OOP.
>>
>> Then again, God could just use delcarations, I suppose.... ;-)
>>
> Are you kidding? God used MFC.

Only because God could afford a copy of the professional VC++ package.

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On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:37:22 -0700, Patrick Elliott wrote:

> Are you kidding? God used MFC. Even he can't get around the limitations
> of the API library and even *simple* stuff that should be possible
> instead requires complex and crazy work arounds, which are so difficult
> or cost ineffective to manage, it would be easier to just start over
> with a new universe and a make a new API for it.

LOL!

Jim

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On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:09:33 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> In article <47a8bafa$1@news.povray.org>, nos### [at] nospamcom says...
>>> On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:10:02 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>>>
>>>> I remember a quote... "The Bible should be translated to some
>>>> universal language... like ANSI C".
>>> I would've thought C++, after all, object instantiation is easier in
>>> OOP.
>>>
>>> Then again, God could just use delcarations, I suppose.... ;-)
>>>
>> Are you kidding? God used MFC.
> 
> Only because God could afford a copy of the professional VC++ package.

Ain't that the truth. :-)

Jim

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