Invisible wrote:
>>> Oh, I see. So you think that I should know about every "important" 
>>> person in history?
>>
>> No, it's just that if you choose to enter a discussion on something 
>> without doing any research (or being completely ignorant to the 
>> subject being discussed), you should expect to get flamed.
> 
> Hmm, let's see now. I commented that normal programmers worry about 
> practical matters while this Haskell programmer is debating abstract set 
> theory. And somebody said "ah, so you know who Russell is then?", and I 
> just pointed out that I don't. And now I'm being yelled at. Again.

Yip, because you didn't do your homework. Again.
No actually I think you have no idea what astonishment you create when 
you admit you have never heard of Russell or his profound impact on 
mathematics and logic. I think 90% or more of the people in this group 
at least have heard of him and 99% or more of those who are only 
moderately interested in logic showing by reading this haskell thread. 
What makes it even more unbelievable is that you are an Englishman (or 
so you claim). The English tend to be rather proud of their own history 
(yes, he was English).
Anyway add him to your list of who to know on your next job interview.
> Who Russell is and what the paradox is about is rather orthoganol to the 
> point I was actually trying to make...
> 
Yes, but this is off-topic, we are allowed to drift here.

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Invisible wrote:
> Who Russell is and what the paradox is about is rather orthoganol to the 
> point I was actually trying to make...

OK, the point *I* was making is that people still remember who Russell 
is and what he did 100 years ago, while "normal programmers" half the 
time don't even get their names displayed in the credits of their own 
creations. Just FYI, Russell did for set theory (i.e., the basis of most 
or all modern math) what Godel and Turing did for their fields.

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Invisible wrote:
> I'll admit I have often wondered why all the best stuff was invented by 
> people who weren't British. 

<snarky> How would you know? You don't know who they are! </snarky>

(Sorry. Couldn't resist that one. I'm bad, yes.)


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Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:


>>
>> BTW, it sounds like "BEH zee ay", according to wikipedia:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_B%C3%A9zier
>>
>> no final R sound?
>>
> 
> Nope, in French the letters "er" at the end of words are generally 


So why are the first two sounds different?

(And I'm reminded of Warp's observation that throwing in extra vowels 
and H's and Y's doesn't really help if you don't already natively speak 
English. :-)

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Darren New wrote:

> OK, the point *I* was making is that people still remember who Russell 
> is and what he did 100 years ago, while "normal programmers" half the 
> time don't even get their names displayed in the credits of their own 
> creations.

Mmm, OK.

> Just FYI, Russell did for set theory (i.e., the basis of most 
> or all modern math) what Godel and Turing did for their fields.

*resists urge to ask who Godel is*

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andrel wrote:

> No actually I think you have no idea what astonishment you create when 
> you admit you have never heard of Russell or his profound impact on 
> mathematics and logic.

Right. Well the history of... well anything really... isn't my strong point.

FWIW, I saw some pretty astonished faces when I admitted that I 
mistakenly thought that Brazil is in Europe. (I now realise quite how 
wrong I in fact was...)

> What makes it even more unbelievable is that you are an Englishman (or 
> so you claim). The English tend to be rather proud of their own history 
> (yes, he was English).

What can I say? I'm not very patriotic. (I know we suck at a number of 
popular sports, despite the fact that we personally invented them...)

>> Who Russell is and what the paradox is about is rather orthoganol to 
>> the point I was actually trying to make...
>>
> Yes, but this is off-topic, we are allowed to drift here.

OK, you win. ;-)

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Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> I'll admit I have often wondered why all the best stuff was invented 
>> by people who weren't British. 
> 
> <snarky> How would you know? You don't know who they are! </snarky>
> 
> (Sorry. Couldn't resist that one. I'm bad, yes.)

L'Hospital sounds like a typical English name to me... :-}

(But then, in an Ask the Audience round one time, 4% of the people 
thought that "Ludwig van Bathoven" was English. Hell, even *I* can 
figure that out out...)

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> FWIW, I saw some pretty astonished faces when I admitted that I 
> mistakenly thought that Brazil is in Europe. (I now realise quite how 
> wrong I in fact was...)

o_O

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

>> FWIW, I saw some pretty astonished faces when I admitted that I 
>> mistakenly thought that Brazil is in Europe. (I now realise quite how 
>> wrong I in fact was...)
> 
> o_O

yes, everyone knows Brazil is a province in Buenos Aires... :P

hey, Orchid, do you care for anything other than math and algorythms? 
Do you know how the real world works?  How about getting started on it 
rather than being flamed to death as someone stupid?  We know you're a 
bright guy, you just need to expand your horizons a bit...

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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Just FYI, Russell did for set theory (i.e., the basis of most or all 
>> modern math) what Godel and Turing did for their fields.
> 
> *resists urge to ask who Godel is*

good thing your curiosity was not complete. ;)

well, at least you seem aware of Turing.  or at least his machine...

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