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Invisible wrote:
> Hmm. There's something deep, right there...
Yes, but notice something: You don't know who Stallman is, but you do
know who Russell is. ;-)
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Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> Hmm. There's something deep, right there...
>
> Yes, but notice something: You don't know who Stallman is, but you do
> know who Russell is. ;-)
Um... actually I have no idea who Russell is, or what his paradox is.
But I presume it's something to do with set theory, so...
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Um... actually I have no idea who Russell is, or what his paradox is.
> But I presume it's something to do with set theory, so...
nothing like being ignorant and enjoying every bit of it! :P
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nemesis wrote:
> nothing like being ignorant and enjoying every bit of it! :P
Do you know who the lead singer of Space is?
Do you care?
No, I thought not. :-P
It is impossible to know everything. Some people simply find some facts
more interesting than others. (E.g., most of the population couldn't
give a fig about the difference between a quicksort and a merge sort,
yet people here sometimes run elaborate benchmarks to compare them.)
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:19:06 -0800, Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
>
>Yes, but notice something: You don't know who Stallman is, but you do
>know who Russell is. ;-)
Bertrand Russell ?
Regards
Stephen
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Sounds like something Andrew would be interested in ...
>
> "
> I've been pondering a type that's so mind-bogglingly weird that I can no
> longer think about it without frying my neurons. So instead I'll just
> dump the contents of my brain here so you can fry your neurons too.
> "
>
> http://sigfpe.blogspot.com/2008/01/type-that-should-not-be.html
It is probably to my gain that I understood none of that.
After all you said it all: it should not be. And it doesn't exist for me.
Nemesis wrote:
>nothing like being ignorant and enjoying every bit of it! :P
Makes me think of Maxwell. Probably everyone knows of him.
A case where you are unknowingly NOT enjoying being ignorant.
You may recall scalar magnitude. 2 waves traveling in opposite direction cancel.
0 Amplitude. 0 Frequency. I recall little else on that concept, except that we
were left with some erroneous concept that the 2 waves were cancelled and their
power was not discussed.
Full disclosure of his theory was removed from academia because it was thought
to be too powerful. Maybe you were left wondering. It is the important things
we need to know, it is not?
Generally some people are right or left brained people. That is, the side you
use the most, i.e. creative or logical. Now ………….. long dramatic pause.
What would happen if the hemispheres of your brain were operating on the same
freq?
Would you fall over dead? Or be zombified because you now had 0 Amplitude and 0
Frequency in your head? And what would sync these 2 cranial hemispheres electro
magnetically? What would be the result? I believe Maxwell had an answer to the
last question that you were not allowed to know.
Anyone?
Else this dies here.
aQ
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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> > nothing like being ignorant and enjoying every bit of it! :P
>
> Do you know who the lead singer of Space is?
>
> Do you care?
>
> No, I thought not. :-P
>
> It is impossible to know everything.
you know, if you think Bertrand Russel's contribution to mankind is the same as
some underground band, you are in need of some serious perspective...
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"alphaQuad" <alp### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
> Generally some people are right or left brained people. That is, the side you
> use the most, i.e. creative or logical. Now ………….. long dramatic pause.
>
> What would happen if the hemispheres of your brain were operating on the same
> freq?
I'd be a millionaire... ;)
Maxwell... cool guy. We should name some raytracer with his name for his
contributions in optics... oh, never mind!
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"nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> "alphaQuad" <alp### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
> > Generally some people are right or left brained people. That is, the side you
> > use the most, i.e. creative or logical. Now ………….. long dramatic pause.
> >
> > What would happen if the hemispheres of your brain were operating on the same
> > freq?
>
> I'd be a millionaire... ;)
>
> Maxwell... cool guy. We should name some raytracer with his name for his
> contributions in optics... oh, never mind!
If that were truely your belief (or mine), you'd (we'd) be wondering what tool
can sync them. yes? no?
This has been the difficult discussion to strike up with humans.
What if a standing brain wave could make it possible to ... delete ....
oh, never mind!
People have no interest in things new unless they are hungry.
Just practicing for next year. People are GOING to want to know, and you(meaning
some of us) better have something to say.
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nemesis wrote:
> you know, if you think Bertrand Russel's contribution to mankind is the same as
> some underground band, you are in need of some serious perspective...
Oh, I see. So you think that I should know about every "important"
person in history?
You know, there were quite a few of them...
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"nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
web.479fb26b821471c45e094060@news.povray.org...
> you know, if you think Bertrand Russel's contribution to mankind is the
> same as
> some underground band, you are in need of some serious perspective...
It reminds me of some brain-dead discussions at Wikipedia regarding page
redirections. For instance, some folks apparently thought that the Java page
should point first to the programming language or at least to a
disambiguation page, with reasons like this one :
Actual WTF quote: "I don't believe the island to hold much notability
compared to coffee or the programming language."
I like geeks, but sometimes they should be forcefully dragged out of their
cubicles/basements/hobbitholes and sent to work in some paddy fields for a
while.
G.
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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> > nothing like being ignorant and enjoying every bit of it! :P
> Do you know who the lead singer of Space is?
If he is a professional musician one could perhaps expect him to know,
but since he probably isn't, then no such expectation is fair.
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Invisible wrote:
>> you know, if you think Bertrand Russel's contribution to mankind is
>> the same as
>> some underground band, you are in need of some serious perspective...
>
> Oh, I see. So you think that I should know about every "important"
> person in history?
No, it's just that if you choose to enter a discussion on something
without doing any research (or being completely ignorant to the subject
being discussed), you should expect to get flamed.
You mentioned Russell's Paradox earlier (which would make for a very
quick and easy Google or Wikipedia search) and the article posted in the
link had a link to a good description of it. Given that much
information in such a small thread, is there any justification for
entering a conversation about a topic without knowing what's going on,
let alone making a post simply saying "I don't know who Russell was or
what his paradox is?"
I think that's the whole point of the remark that nemesis made earlier.
It's not like the information wasn't there, it's just that the
information wasn't used at all. Like I said, a brief scan of the linked
article (followed by clicking a link right near the top of the page) or
a Google/Wikipedia search would have returned more than enough data.
--
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"Gilles Tran" <gil### [at] agroparistechfr> wrote:
> Actual WTF quote: "I don't believe the island to hold much notability
> compared to coffee or the programming language."
>
> I like geeks, but sometimes they should be forcefully dragged out of their
> cubicles/basements/hobbitholes and sent to work in some paddy fields for a
> while.
LOL! and the coffee got that alias because of?... :D
ok, but be nice to your geeks. Wasn't it Billy G who said you might one day
work for one?
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>> Oh, I see. So you think that I should know about every "important"
>> person in history?
>
> No, it's just that if you choose to enter a discussion on something
> without doing any research (or being completely ignorant to the subject
> being discussed), you should expect to get flamed.
Hmm, let's see now. I commented that normal programmers worry about
practical matters while this Haskell programmer is debating abstract set
theory. And somebody said "ah, so you know who Russell is then?", and I
just pointed out that I don't. And now I'm being yelled at. Again.
Who Russell is and what the paradox is about is rather orthoganol to the
point I was actually trying to make...
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>
> > you know, if you think Bertrand Russel's contribution to mankind is the same as
> > some underground band, you are in need of some serious perspective...
>
> Oh, I see. So you think that I should know about every "important"
> person in history?
>
> You know, there were quite a few of them...
then I'd recommend you to start by the ones notable in your interest fields...
:)
you could start by developing an interest into knowing the why of certain
paradoxes and techniques having funky names, like: Russel's paradox,
Schröedinger's cat, Moore's law, Phong shading, Bézier curves etc...
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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> > nemesis wrote:
>
> > > nothing like being ignorant and enjoying every bit of it! :P
>
> > Do you know who the lead singer of Space is?
>
> If he is a professional musician one could perhaps expect him to know,
> but since he probably isn't, then no such expectation is fair.
I could be a classical pianist and still have no clue of some obscure rock
band... Bertrand Russel is far from being obscure. The examples don't match.
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>> Oh, I see. So you think that I should know about every "important"
>> person in history?
>>
>> You know, there were quite a few of them...
>
> then I'd recommend you to start by the ones notable in your interest fields...
> :)
History isn't one of my fields of interest. [Unless you mean geological
and biological history...] Different things interest different people.
> you could start by developing an interest into knowing the why of certain
> paradoxes and techniques having funky names, like: Russel's paradox,
> Schröedinger's cat, Moore's law, Phong shading, Bézier curves etc...
Far more important: How the **** do you *pronounce* "Bézier"???
I'll admit I have often wondered why all the best stuff was invented by
people who weren't British. Presumably because the cardinality of the
set of all British people is far smaller than that of the complement set...
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>>> Do you know who the lead singer of Space is?
>> If he is a professional musician one could perhaps expect him to know,
>> but since he probably isn't, then no such expectation is fair.
>
> I could be a classical pianist and still have no clue of some obscure rock
> band... Bertrand Russel is far from being obscure. The examples don't match.
True story: A friend of mine left the cinema after watching Titanic, and
overheard a couple of people talking.
"Did you know it's based on a real story?"
"Don't be stupid!"
"No, seriously. There REALLY WAS a ship called Titanic and it sank."
"Yeah, well, I bet they've exaggerated it a bit..."
Draw your own conclusions.
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Far more important: How the **** do you *pronounce* "Bézier"???
I'll let Gilles handle that... but I spell it quite like "Monsieur"...
> I'll admit I have often wondered why all the best stuff was invented by
> people who weren't British. Presumably because the cardinality of the
> set of all British people is far smaller than that of the complement set...
oh, please! You're a friggin' geek of the best kind! How can a geek not get
interested in small irrelevant details?! Like origins and authors of major
breakthrough theories...
it's an aberration! That's it: I'm demoding you from your geek privileges!
From now on, you're a freak! :P
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> True story: A friend of mine left the cinema after watching Titanic, and
> overheard a couple of people talking.
>
> "Did you know it's based on a real story?"
>
> "Don't be stupid!"
>
> Draw your own conclusions.
people are becoming like Andrew?! Ignorance is a fast spreading disease...
BTW, again it's not a good example. You're comparing one of the major naval
catastrophes in history, well documented in countless of Hollywood movies, to
one obscure rock band, perhaps local to UK.
I go to wikipédia and there are two bands by the name Space:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_(band)
I understand you're from UK, so I guess it's not the electronic band... it's
really just an obscure, irrelevant rock band.
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:41:29 +0100, "Gilles Tran"
<gil### [at] agroparistechfr> wrote:
>I like geeks, but sometimes they should be forcefully dragged out of their
>cubicles/basements/hobbitholes and sent to work in some paddy fields for a
>while.
Is this a reference to Pol Pot or the Cultural Revolution? :)
Regards
Stephen
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"nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
web.47a05d77821471c47b614c6a0@news.povray.org...
> you could start by developing an interest into knowing the why of certain
> paradoxes and techniques having funky names, like: Russel's paradox,
> Schröedinger's cat, Moore's law, Phong shading, Bézier curves etc...
BTW, until recently, there was absolutely *** nothing *** on the web about
Phong, who died at 33 from leukemia right after inventing the shading
method. Being called either Phong Bui Tuong or Bui Tuong Phong didn't help
researching his name either.
Fortunately, last year someone interviewed his teacher and friends at
Standford and put the material in Wikipedia, and now the article is tagged
for lacking sources and being Original Research :(
Grumble grumble
Bézier is pronounced exactly as it's written :D
G.
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"Gilles Tran" <gil### [at] agroparistechfr> wrote:
> Fortunately, last year someone interviewed his teacher and friends at
> Standford and put the material in Wikipedia, and now the article is tagged
> for lacking sources and being Original Research :(
yes, wikipédia is so full of cr*ppy modders!
> Bézier is pronounced exactly as it's written :D
BTW, it sounds like "BEH zee ay", according to wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_B%C3%A9zier
no final R sound?
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nemesis wrote:
> That's it: I'm demoding you from your geek privileges!
> From now on, you're a freak! :P
...again. *sigh*
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>
> > That's it: I'm demoding you from your geek privileges!
> > From now on, you're a freak! :P
>
> ...again. *sigh*
it's a joke. Don't blow an artery...
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>>> That's it: I'm demoding you from your geek privileges!
>>> From now on, you're a freak! :P
>> ...again. *sigh*
>
> it's a joke. Don't blow an artery...
So was my responce. ;-)
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nemesis a écrit :
>> Bézier is pronounced exactly as it's written :D
>
> BTW, it sounds like "BEH zee ay", according to wikipedia:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_B%C3%A9zier
>
> no final R sound?
>
Nope, in French the letters "er" at the end of words are generally
pronounced as a single sound "é". In fact I cannot think of any
exception at the moment, but I'm putting a "generally" in there just in
case :-)
--
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Invisible wrote:
>>> Oh, I see. So you think that I should know about every "important"
>>> person in history?
>>
>> No, it's just that if you choose to enter a discussion on something
>> without doing any research (or being completely ignorant to the
>> subject being discussed), you should expect to get flamed.
>
> Hmm, let's see now. I commented that normal programmers worry about
> practical matters while this Haskell programmer is debating abstract set
> theory. And somebody said "ah, so you know who Russell is then?", and I
> just pointed out that I don't. And now I'm being yelled at. Again.
Yip, because you didn't do your homework. Again.
No actually I think you have no idea what astonishment you create when
you admit you have never heard of Russell or his profound impact on
mathematics and logic. I think 90% or more of the people in this group
at least have heard of him and 99% or more of those who are only
moderately interested in logic showing by reading this haskell thread.
What makes it even more unbelievable is that you are an Englishman (or
so you claim). The English tend to be rather proud of their own history
(yes, he was English).
Anyway add him to your list of who to know on your next job interview.
> Who Russell is and what the paradox is about is rather orthoganol to the
> point I was actually trying to make...
>
Yes, but this is off-topic, we are allowed to drift here.
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Invisible wrote:
> Who Russell is and what the paradox is about is rather orthoganol to the
> point I was actually trying to make...
OK, the point *I* was making is that people still remember who Russell
is and what he did 100 years ago, while "normal programmers" half the
time don't even get their names displayed in the credits of their own
creations. Just FYI, Russell did for set theory (i.e., the basis of most
or all modern math) what Godel and Turing did for their fields.
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Invisible wrote:
> I'll admit I have often wondered why all the best stuff was invented by
> people who weren't British.
<snarky> How would you know? You don't know who they are! </snarky>
(Sorry. Couldn't resist that one. I'm bad, yes.)
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Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:
> nemesis a écrit :
>>> Bézier is pronounced exactly as it's written :D
>>
>> BTW, it sounds like "BEH zee ay", according to wikipedia:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_B%C3%A9zier
>>
>> no final R sound?
>>
>
> Nope, in French the letters "er" at the end of words are generally
> pronounced as a single sound "é".
So why are the first two sounds different?
(And I'm reminded of Warp's observation that throwing in extra vowels
and H's and Y's doesn't really help if you don't already natively speak
English. :-)
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Darren New wrote:
> OK, the point *I* was making is that people still remember who Russell
> is and what he did 100 years ago, while "normal programmers" half the
> time don't even get their names displayed in the credits of their own
> creations.
Mmm, OK.
> Just FYI, Russell did for set theory (i.e., the basis of most
> or all modern math) what Godel and Turing did for their fields.
*resists urge to ask who Godel is*
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andrel wrote:
> No actually I think you have no idea what astonishment you create when
> you admit you have never heard of Russell or his profound impact on
> mathematics and logic.
Right. Well the history of... well anything really... isn't my strong point.
FWIW, I saw some pretty astonished faces when I admitted that I
mistakenly thought that Brazil is in Europe. (I now realise quite how
wrong I in fact was...)
> What makes it even more unbelievable is that you are an Englishman (or
> so you claim). The English tend to be rather proud of their own history
> (yes, he was English).
What can I say? I'm not very patriotic. (I know we suck at a number of
popular sports, despite the fact that we personally invented them...)
>> Who Russell is and what the paradox is about is rather orthoganol to
>> the point I was actually trying to make...
>>
> Yes, but this is off-topic, we are allowed to drift here.
OK, you win. ;-)
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Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> I'll admit I have often wondered why all the best stuff was invented
>> by people who weren't British.
>
> <snarky> How would you know? You don't know who they are! </snarky>
>
> (Sorry. Couldn't resist that one. I'm bad, yes.)
L'Hospital sounds like a typical English name to me... :-}
(But then, in an Ask the Audience round one time, 4% of the people
thought that "Ludwig van Bathoven" was English. Hell, even *I* can
figure that out out...)
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Orchid XP v7 escribió:
> FWIW, I saw some pretty astonished faces when I admitted that I
> mistakenly thought that Brazil is in Europe. (I now realise quite how
> wrong I in fact was...)
o_O
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 escribió:
>> FWIW, I saw some pretty astonished faces when I admitted that I
>> mistakenly thought that Brazil is in Europe. (I now realise quite how
>> wrong I in fact was...)
>
> o_O
yes, everyone knows Brazil is a province in Buenos Aires... :P
hey, Orchid, do you care for anything other than math and algorythms?
Do you know how the real world works? How about getting started on it
rather than being flamed to death as someone stupid? We know you're a
bright guy, you just need to expand your horizons a bit...
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Just FYI, Russell did for set theory (i.e., the basis of most or all
>> modern math) what Godel and Turing did for their fields.
>
> *resists urge to ask who Godel is*
good thing your curiosity was not complete. ;)
well, at least you seem aware of Turing. or at least his machine...
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> (But then, in an Ask the Audience round one time, 4% of the people
> thought that "Ludwig van Bathoven" was English. Hell, even *I* can
> figure that out out...)
Beethoven. wonderful painter, huh? ;)
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nemesis wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>> Darren New wrote:
>>> Just FYI, Russell did for set theory (i.e., the basis of most or all
>>> modern math) what Godel and Turing did for their fields.
>>
>> *resists urge to ask who Godel is*
>
> good thing your curiosity was not complete. ;)
>
> well, at least you seem aware of Turing. or at least his machine...
I live about 15 miles from Bletchley Part. C'mon! ;-)
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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nemesis wrote:
> hey, Orchid, do you care for anything other than math and algorythms?
Yeah. Watching darts is fun. ;-)
> Do you know how the real world works?
Actually no. Do you??
> How about getting started on it
> rather than being flamed to death as someone stupid?
I'm pretty sure we've had this conversation before... It basically
amounts to "I don't know where to start".
But either way, I don't see how it's necessary to know who Russell is to
participate in "the real world". :-P
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Darren New wrote:
> Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:
>> nemesis a écrit :
>>> BTW, it sounds like "BEH zee ay", according to wikipedia:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_B%C3%A9zier
>>>
>>> no final R sound?
>>>
>> Nope, in French the letters "er" at the end of words are generally
>> pronounced as a single sound "é".
>
> So why are the first two sounds different?
>
In fact they are not really different :-)
I guess they transcribed it in this way because of the neighbouring "i"
that blends with the last sound a bit. On the other hand I'm not a
native English speaker so the transcription is not easy for me to
interpret...
In French the only key difference is between "é" and "è", with "è" being
more open (as in "let" in English) and "é" more closed, closer to the
"i" (pronounced as in "fit"). I don't know if that sort of sound is
common in English, I can't find any good example right now...
Point being, officially there is only one sound "é" and one sound "è",
and none of the numerous variants in English :-)
--
Vincent
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>
>> No actually I think you have no idea what astonishment you create when
>> you admit you have never heard of Russell or his profound impact on
>> mathematics and logic.
>
> Right. Well the history of... well anything really... isn't my strong
> point.
>
> FWIW, I saw some pretty astonished faces when I admitted that I
> mistakenly thought that Brazil is in Europe. (I now realise quite how
> wrong I in fact was...)
>
Good, keep that image in mind. Now assume that you tell a bunch of
'friends', who know that you are interested in logic, that you have
never heard of Bertrand Russel. You still have that image?
BTW unless Brazil is history it does not prove your point.
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>
>> OK, the point *I* was making is that people still remember who Russell
>> is and what he did 100 years ago, while "normal programmers" half the
>> time don't even get their names displayed in the credits of their own
>> creations.
>
> Mmm, OK.
>
>> Just FYI, Russell did for set theory (i.e., the basis of most or all
>> modern math) what Godel and Turing did for their fields.
>
> *resists urge to ask who Godel is*
>
You remember the fixed point operator of lambda calculus? and how you
can use that to prove that if you try to assign a meaning of true and
false to every lambda expression the fixed point of the negation can
neither be true or false? Hence it is impossible to decide the truth of
every lambda expression. Goedel (that is an o-umlaut hence the spelling
with and without e) did the same for ordinary logic. Proving that the
attempts of Russel to combine all logic into one complete theory was in
vain. There will always be statements that can not be proven within a
set of axioms and theories.
But I suspect this time you were joking.
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Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:
>>> nemesis a écrit :
>>>> BTW, it sounds like "BEH zee ay", according to wikipedia:
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_B%C3%A9zier
>>>>
>>>> no final R sound?
>>>>
>>> Nope, in French the letters "er" at the end of words are generally
>>> pronounced as a single sound "é".
>>
>> So why are the first two sounds different?
>>
>
> In fact they are not really different :-)
>
> I guess they transcribed it in this way because of the neighbouring "i"
> that blends with the last sound a bit. On the other hand I'm not a
> native English speaker so the transcription is not easy for me to
> interpret...
It may be subtle but I think the 'er' indicates that after the 'ay'
sound the vowel is cut off. But then again, I am not a native speaker.
> In French the only key difference is between "é" and "è", with "è" being
> more open (as in "let" in English) and "é" more closed, closer to the
> "i" (pronounced as in "fit"). I don't know if that sort of sound is
> common in English, I can't find any good example right now...
Funny I normally pronounce the 'é' as in 'fate' not as in 'fit'. But
that may be because both are close to my native 'ee'. And yes I do
pronounce it quite often as my first name IRL ends in one. Name borrowed
from the French.
> Point being, officially there is only one sound "é" and one sound "è",
> and none of the numerous variants in English :-)
>
You mean that there are no dialects in France?
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>>> Just FYI, Russell did for set theory (i.e., the basis of most or all
>>> modern math) what Godel and Turing did for their fields.
>>
>> *resists urge to ask who Godel is*
>>
> You remember the fixed point operator of lambda calculus? and how you
> can use that to prove that if you try to assign a meaning of true and
> false to every lambda expression the fixed point of the negation can
> neither be true or false? Hence it is impossible to decide the truth of
> every lambda expression. Goedel (that is an o-umlaut hence the spelling
> with and without e) did the same for ordinary logic. Proving that the
> attempts of Russel to combine all logic into one complete theory was in
> vain. There will always be statements that can not be proven within a
> set of axioms and theories.
>
> But I suspect this time you were joking.
The fixed-point operator confounds me. I really don't get it...
--
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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>> Right. Well the history of... well anything really... isn't my strong
>> point.
>>
>> FWIW, I saw some pretty astonished faces when I admitted that I
>> mistakenly thought that Brazil is in Europe. (I now realise quite how
>> wrong I in fact was...)
>>
> Good, keep that image in mind. Now assume that you tell a bunch of
> 'friends', who know that you are interested in logic, that you have
> never heard of Bertrand Russel. You still have that image?
>
> BTW unless Brazil is history it does not prove your point.
Who said history is the *only* thing I suck at? I'm quite there's quite
a long list there... :-/
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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andrel wrote:
> Funny I normally pronounce the 'é' as in 'fate' not as in 'fit'. But
> that may be because both are close to my native 'ee'.
Well for me "é" is something in between "fate" and "fit", but maybe my
pronunciation of English is deficient as well :-)
> And yes I do
> pronounce it quite often as my first name IRL ends in one. Name borrowed
> from the French.
I'm guessing André? Then Bézier ends in about the same way, with only a
minor influence from the preceding 'i'.
>> Point being, officially there is only one sound "é" and one sound "è",
>> and none of the numerous variants in English :-)
>>
> You mean that there are no dialects in France?
No, I mean people sometimes pronounce them differently (to the point
that in the south it's all 'é' and no 'è'), but the "official"
pronunciation you are ordinarily taught at school distinguishes only
these two sounds, allowing a fair bit of variation for each.
--
Vincent
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alphaQuad wrote:
> Generally some people are right or left brained people. That is, the side you
> use the most, i.e. creative or logical. Now ………….. long dramatic pause.
>
> What would happen if the hemispheres of your brain were operating on the same
> freq?
>
> Would you fall over dead? Or be zombified because you now had 0 Amplitude and 0
> Frequency in your head? And what would sync these 2 cranial hemispheres electro
> magnetically? What would be the result? I believe Maxwell had an answer to the
> last question that you were not allowed to know.
>
> Anyone?
> Else this dies here.
>
> aQ
>
>
Interesting idea, but is the frequency observed in the brain an
operating frequency or just the side effect of the firing neurons? From
what I remember about neural biology, it takes a pretty big external
magnetic source to influence the brain. On the other hand, the EEG
observable frequencies can be manipulated rather easily by meditation,
bio feedback, even sound.
Side note, it's a known problem with EEGs that brain waves do cancel
out. That doesn't seem to cause much problem in the small scale, why
would it cause any problems in the large scale? Except, of course, for
being thought dead if you were connected to an EEG 'just right'.
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:26:32 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> I'm pretty sure we've had this conversation before... It basically
> amounts to "I don't know where to start".
You've been given suggestions, though. Ask people about themselves. If
there's one thing that's pretty universally true, it's that people like
to talk about themselves.
Jim
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