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And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:22:57 -0000, bluetree <nomail@nomail> did
spake, saying:
> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocain freeservecouk> wrote:
>> It's got those harps and clouds and the fullsome sense of smugness
>> caused
>> by being there.
>>
>> Okay in all seriousness if everyone thinks the same way in Heaven then
>> it's possible that the only way in is to display those same traits on
>> Earth. Therefore you have no free will nor free will to lose you are
>> simply repeating your Earthly actions in Heaven. If you were the type of
>> person to become disatisfied with that then you wouldn't have been
>> allowed
>> in. Satan/Lucifer/Adversary doesn't count as he was always in Heaven.
>
> Not to sound blasphemous.
Blasphemer! Stone them, stone them!
> But who says that there are individuals. If there might be no free will,
> it could also be, that there are no individuals... (invalid logic, but
> doesn't matter)
> I can't imagine a lot of individuals playing all time similar or same
> songs with harp. ;)
No you're right they could all Become One With The Mind Of God... ooooo!
Or separate from God in a shiny silvery gestalt from which multiple forms
can be made and rule over a race of warriors who... oh wait sorry that's
Deep Space Nine.
> "the fullsome sense of smugness caused by being there" sounds like there
> might be something, which changes the way you are. -> So no individual
> anymore? ;)
Hmm think about the types of people who you'd expect to get into Heaven,
would you want to spend eternity with them in any form? So the person
who's there either a) wants to be there b) has to be there, or is c)
stoned.
Back to the serious bit. I think the gestalt or 'one with the mind of God'
is a possibiity if you think of each individual joining as a voice in the
choir, similar to that voice in your head telling you that you shouldn't
eat that gooey cream pie or take a machine-gun to your co-workers...um...
anyway in theory parts could arise that find itself in contest with the
majority and might break-away; which would explain the Downfall of the
Angels. So that would be a yes to free will.
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:46:58 -0000, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>Blasphemer! Stone them, stone them!
Why should the Blasphemers get all the fun :)
A friend of mine explained it perfectly saying.
"When you're dead, you're dead"
That works for me.
Regards
Stephen
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"Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
> Blasphemer! Stone them, stone them!
No. Don't do it. I believe. I believe everything...
> No you're right they could all Become One With The Mind Of God... ooooo!
> Or separate from God in a shiny silvery gestalt from which multiple forms
> can be made and rule over a race of warriors who... oh wait sorry that's
> Deep Space Nine.
^^
Or they could take the shape of little worm and take over the bodies of some
people, who believe everthing (oh, wait, I'm in danger)... oh wait, that was
Star Gate... :)
> Hmm think about the types of people who you'd expect to get into Heaven,
> would you want to spend eternity with them in any form? So the person
> who's there either a) wants to be there b) has to be there, or is c)
> stoned.
So b) wouldn't have free will.
some of c) as well.
what's about some people of a) who don't want to spend eternity with some
others?
> Back to the serious bit. I think the gestalt or 'one with the mind of God'
> is a possibiity if you think of each individual joining as a voice in the
> choir, similar to that voice in your head telling you that you shouldn't
> eat that gooey cream pie or take a machine-gun to your co-workers...um...
> anyway in theory parts could arise that find itself in contest with the
> majority and might break-away; which would explain the Downfall of the
> Angels. So that would be a yes to free will.
Wouldn't that mean, that those who have a free will, won't be in Heaven? Because
they break away and then are kicked out.
Regards
bluetree
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Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:46:58 -0000, "Phil Cook"
> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
> >Blasphemer! Stone them, stone them!
>
> Why should the Blasphemers get all the fun :)
>
> A friend of mine explained it perfectly saying.
> "When you're dead, you're dead"
> That works for me.
>
>
> Regards
> Stephen
Do you think it's fun to get stoned? ;)
Regards
bluetree
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:42:57 EST, "bluetree" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
>Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:46:58 -0000, "Phil Cook"
>> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>>
>> >Blasphemer! Stone them, stone them!
>>
>> Why should the Blasphemers get all the fun :)
>>
>> A friend of mine explained it perfectly saying.
>> "When you're dead, you're dead"
>> That works for me.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Stephen
>
>
>Do you think it's fun to get stoned? ;)
>
Yes!
Hit me, hit me :)
Regards
Stephen
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And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:31:46 -0000, bluetree <nomail@nomail> did
spake, saying:
> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>> Blasphemer! Stone them, stone them!
>
> No. Don't do it. I believe. I believe everything...
>
>> No you're right they could all Become One With The Mind Of God... ooooo!
>> Or separate from God in a shiny silvery gestalt from which multiple
>> forms
>> can be made and rule over a race of warriors who... oh wait sorry that's
>> Deep Space Nine.
>
> ^^
> Or they could take the shape of little worm and take over the bodies of
> some
> people, who believe everthing (oh, wait, I'm in danger)... oh wait, that
> was
> Star Gate... :)
>
>> Hmm think about the types of people who you'd expect to get into Heaven,
>> would you want to spend eternity with them in any form? So the person
>> who's there either a) wants to be there b) has to be there, or is c)
>> stoned.
>
> So b) wouldn't have free will.
Except they realise they don't want to be there, thus have free will.
Unless you're saying that people in prison don't have free will?
> some of c) as well.
Except they wouldn't care :-)
> what's about some people of a) who don't want to spend eternity with some
> others?
"I'm a Dead Person Get Me Out Of Here", "Dead Big Brother"? That would be
fun with the reincarnationists "Hey you were voted out last lifetime you
can't just waltz back in"
>> Back to the serious bit. I think the gestalt or 'one with the mind of
>> God'
>> is a possibiity if you think of each individual joining as a voice in
>> the
>> choir, similar to that voice in your head telling you that you shouldn't
>> eat that gooey cream pie or take a machine-gun to your
>> co-workers...um...
>> anyway in theory parts could arise that find itself in contest with the
>> majority and might break-away; which would explain the Downfall of the
>> Angels. So that would be a yes to free will.
>
> Wouldn't that mean, that those who have a free will, won't be in Heaven?
> Because they break away and then are kicked out.
Or those that exercise that will in a way contrary to the majority are
kicked out. Well a majority assuming that it's not just a small bunch of
people with loud presences.
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:25:03 -0000, Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom>
did spake, saying:
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:46:58 -0000, "Phil Cook"
> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
>> Blasphemer! Stone them, stone them!
>
> Why should the Blasphemers get all the fun :)
Just one (other) mistranslation and things could have been so different
"As punishment for your blasphemy, and as prescribed by our Holy Book, you
must smoke your way through this entire baggie of grass until you are
thoroughly stoned"
> A friend of mine explained it perfectly saying.
> "When you're dead, you're dead"
> That works for me.
Unless you're a zombie, or a ghost, or a vampire, or a werewolf... oh wait
that last one's just stupid; werewolves aren't dead.
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:31:46 -0000, bluetree <nomail@nomail> did
spake, saying:
> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>> Blasphemer! Stone them, stone them!
>
> No. Don't do it. I believe. I believe everything...
Almost as quick as getting Travolta to hit Cruise over the head with a
shovel; "Yes Scientology does make sense".
>> No you're right they could all Become One With The Mind Of God... ooooo!
>> Or separate from God in a shiny silvery gestalt from which multiple
>> forms
>> can be made and rule over a race of warriors who... oh wait sorry that's
>> Deep Space Nine.
>
> ^^
> Or they could take the shape of little worm and take over the bodies of
> some people, who believe everthing (oh, wait, I'm in danger)... oh wait,
> that was Star Gate... :)
I thought that was Scientology, oh no those are invisible formless little
'worms'; wait that doesn't make any sens [dong] makes perfect sense, oh
hey John what's the shovel for?"
>> Hmm think about the types of people who you'd expect to get into Heaven,
>> would you want to spend eternity with them in any form? So the person
>> who's there either a) wants to be there b) has to be there, or is c)
>> stoned.
>
> So b) wouldn't have free will.
> some of c) as well.
> what's about some people of a) who don't want to spend eternity with some
> others?
>
>> Back to the serious bit. I think the gestalt or 'one with the mind of
>> God'
>> is a possibiity if you think of each individual joining as a voice in
>> the
>> choir, similar to that voice in your head telling you that you shouldn't
>> eat that gooey cream pie or take a machine-gun to your
>> co-workers...um...
>> anyway in theory parts could arise that find itself in contest with the
>> majority and might break-away; which would explain the Downfall of the
>> Angels. So that would be a yes to free will.
>
>
> Wouldn't that mean, that those who have a free will, won't be in Heaven?
> Because they break away and then are kicked out.
Yup you can only get into Heaven via your free will at which point you
lose it. Hold on I'll get a shovel it'll all make sense in a minute.
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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"Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
> > So b) wouldn't have free will.
>
> Except they realise they don't want to be there, thus have free will.
> Unless you're saying that people in prison don't have free will?
^^
Prisoner: I have a free will.
Prison guard: Yes, I do not deny.
Prisoner: My free will is, that I want to be free and go outside.
Prison guard: You are free, we just improsioned your will. :)
Whew. Strange diaglogue.
At least I found the reason: Your showel was too hard.
No, no, don't flail again. :)
> Yup you can only get into Heaven via your free will at which point you lose it.
> Hold on I'll get a shovel it'll all make sense in a minute.
Heaven-one-way ticket. ;)
Is there a point, where you are able to choose between different stations?
Regards
bluetree
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:16:16 -0000, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:25:03 -0000, Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom>
>did spake, saying:
>
>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:46:58 -0000, "Phil Cook"
>> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>>
>>> Blasphemer! Stone them, stone them!
>>
>> Why should the Blasphemers get all the fun :)
>
>Just one (other) mistranslation and things could have been so different
>"As punishment for your blasphemy, and as prescribed by our Holy Book, you
>must smoke your way through this entire baggie of grass until you are
>thoroughly stoned"
They don't call me Saint Stephen for nothing.
Actually they don't call me Saint Stephen at all, at all :)
>> A friend of mine explained it perfectly saying.
>> "When you're dead, you're dead"
>> That works for me.
>
>Unless you're a zombie, or a ghost, or a vampire, or a werewolf... oh wait
>that last one's just stupid; werewolves aren't dead.
>
Are you some sort of ist? What do you have against Duppies?
Regards
Stephen
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