I have one if I'm allowed:
- make an option to use the actual or neXtgen IDEs, or I'm asking too 
much? please let me know in either case.

Best Regards.

Saul

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Thanks for all your answers, you were very kind to answer my questions 
in such short time and in such a extended way, really, thank you very much.

Looks like I have to answer my self, the suggestion section is in..... 
hell, at the seems, I haven't seen one coz looks like you actually don't 
care about them, well, so the fate of this program, but who cares? right?

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Saul Luizaga wrote:
> Thanks for all your answers, you were very kind to answer my questions 
> in such short time and in such a extended way, really, thank you very much.
> 
> Looks like I have to answer my self, the suggestion section is in..... 
> hell, at the seems, I haven't seen one coz looks like you actually don't 
> care about them, well, so the fate of this program, but who cares? right?

neXtgen IDE is a separate program.  Nothing is stopping you from using 
it right now.

And this is the Off-Topic group, for postings not related to POV-Ray. 
You would probably have better luck in the General group.

Besides which, you might want to try a little patience.  Nine hours is 
hardly enough time wait for an answer about suggestions.

-- 
...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com

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"Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote in message
news:479578da@news.povray.org...
> Thanks for all your answers, you were very kind to answer my questions
> in such short time and in such a extended way, really, thank you very
much.

The sarcasm is really not required, nor particuarly appreciated.
This is a news group, not a chat room. Discussions last for days, if not
weeks here and replies often take hours.

> Looks like I have to answer my self, the suggestion section is in.....
> hell, at the seems, I haven't seen one coz looks like you actually don't
> care about them, well, so the fate of this program, but who cares? right?

Perhaps you could try the povray.general or povray.pov4.discussion.general?
Either are more appropriate places for suggestions on new versions than the
off-topic news group.

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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:05:13 -0800, Chambers <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> wrote:

>
>Besides which, you might want to try a little patience.  Nine hours is 
>hardly enough time wait for an answer about suggestions.

True! And I always thought Pov and patience went hand in hand.

Regards
	Stephen

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I want to respond to everyone in this post:
-First like 20+ if not 30+ posts where issued to this off-tpic news 
group after I posted here, so looked like you were clearly ignoring my 
and I wasn't expecting any answers to my second post, it was more like a 
rhetoric post. And the sarcasm was coz I was a little angry as a 
consequence of this (didn't think was fair), but yeah a little patience 
is always good. Point taken.

-Second, I know this post only will live 2 weeks in here and it'll be 
deleted after that, and I didn't wanted to do a perm post in a wrong 
newsgroup, so I thought this would be the best place for a question to 
you all.

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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:06:38 -0400, Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:

>I want to respond to everyone in this post:
>-First like 20+ if not 30+ posts where issued to this off-tpic news 
>group after I posted here, so looked like you were clearly ignoring my 
>and I wasn't expecting any answers to my second post, it was more like a 
>rhetoric post. 

People pick and chose only what fits their fancy and we are a few spread around
the world.

>And the sarcasm was coz I was a little angry as a 
>consequence of this (didn't think was fair), but yeah a little patience 
>is always good. Point taken.

Apology accepted :)

>-Second, I know this post only will live 2 weeks in here and it'll be 
>deleted after that, and I didn't wanted to do a perm post in a wrong 
>newsgroup, so I thought this would be the best place for a question to 
>you all.

I can understand that. You can get your head bitten off round here. Not so much
now as a few years ago.

Regards
	Stephen

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"Stephen" <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> wrote in message 
news:f9rcp3puaj66agiatdej8g9avamjfrjm5f@4ax.com...

> I can understand that. You can get your head bitten off round here. Not so 
> much
> now as a few years ago.

    WANNA BET!

      ;)

      ~Steve~



>
> Regards
> Stephen

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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:32:20 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:

>
>"Stephen" <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> wrote in message 
>news:f9rcp3puaj66agiatdej8g9avamjfrjm5f@4ax.com...
>
>> I can understand that. You can get your head bitten off round here. Not so 
>> much
>> now as a few years ago.
>
>    WANNA BET!
>
>      ;)
>
>      ~Steve~
>

Not with you :) 

Last time I lost a bet here I had to model a Mars bar. See 
Mars Bar for Tim. - mb03c01.mpg (1/1) 
In p.b.a 17/4/03

It was a while ago and it uses one of Tim's systems

Regards
	Stephen

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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:06:38 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:

> First like 20+ if not 30+
> posts where issued to this off-tpic news group after I posted here, so
> looked like you were clearly ignoring my

Well, I don't reply to posts that I don't have an answer for.  Perhaps 
nobody else did either - part of the effect of posting to an 
inappropriate group.

Jim

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"Stephen" <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> wrote in message 
news:b1tcp3h9hdqdqrh6mp0654rsrj4ps95liv@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:32:20 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Stephen" <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> wrote in message
>>news:f9rcp3puaj66agiatdej8g9avamjfrjm5f@4ax.com...
>>
>>> I can understand that. You can get your head bitten off round here. Not 
>>> so
>>> much
>>> now as a few years ago.
>>
>>    WANNA BET!
>>
>>      ;)
>>
>>      ~Steve~
>>
>
> Not with you :)

     Heh, you'd skint me. ;)


>
> Last time I lost a bet here I had to model a Mars bar. See
> Mars Bar for Tim. - mb03c01.mpg (1/1)
> In p.b.a 17/4/03

     LOL! Found it. You've got a great sense of humour Stephen. Should be on 
stage in that big city.  :)

      Nice anim too.

>
> It was a while ago and it uses one of Tim's systems

     I'll have to have a play with that if I can find it.

     Later mate,

      ~Steve~


>
> Regards
> Stephen

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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:19:51 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:

>
>     LOL! Found it. You've got a great sense of humour Stephen. Should be on 
>stage in that big city.  :)
>

I've heard that before but it usually involves a brush and sweeping. :)

I actually did that one summer in 69 up your way at Butlins. 

>      Nice anim too.
>

Thanks but I'd like to think that I'd do a better job now.


>>
>> It was a while ago and it uses one of Tim's systems
>
>     I'll have to have a play with that if I can find it.
>

No excuses
http://www.nolights.de/rnd/development.html#LSSM

>     Later mate,
Right

Regards
	Stephen

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IDE = Integrated Development Environment
Is that what you mean?

POV for windows comes with CodeMax, so this
is a Linux question right?
I think POVclipse runs on Linux.
http://povclipse.sourceforge.net/

It probably is a good idea to bundle some editor
with code highlighting for Linux.

Or maybe he meant a way to render a file without
the editor? POV already has such options in the
Windows version ...
1.3.1  Special Command-Line Options

If he's talking about a GUI frontend then this is
just a typical gripe. POV can render things from
various modelers! Why limit yourself? POV can
render things that other renderers can't, yet
somehow this gets twisted into POV being
bad. If rendering program X can't do scripting
and true surfaces then that is the program that
is doomed, not POV.

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Stephen escribió:
> Last time I lost a bet here I had to model a Mars bar. See 
> Mars Bar for Tim. - mb03c01.mpg (1/1) 
> In p.b.a 17/4/03
> 
> It was a while ago and it uses one of Tim's systems
> 
> Regards
> 	Stephen

Wow, very nice job, like one I saw once about running water downstream 
also raytraced with POV-Ray, I think was one othe finalists/winnes of 
IRTC. That effect of raytraced water always fascinated me :)

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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:35:00 -0400, Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:


>Wow, very nice job, like one I saw once about running water downstream 
>also raytraced with POV-Ray, I think was one othe finalists/winnes of 
>IRTC. That effect of raytraced water always fascinated me :)

Thank you.
I'm not sure I saw that. Can you remember when it was?
Water is hard to make into a cyclic animation. 

Regards
	Stephen

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Saul Luizaga nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2008/01/22 17:06:
> I want to respond to everyone in this post:
> -First like 20+ if not 30+ posts where issued to this off-tpic news 
> group after I posted here, so looked like you were clearly ignoring my 
> and I wasn't expecting any answers to my second post, it was more like a 
> rhetoric post. And the sarcasm was coz I was a little angry as a 
> consequence of this (didn't think was fair), but yeah a little patience 
> is always good. Point taken.
> 
> -Second, I know this post only will live 2 weeks in here and it'll be 
> deleted after that, and I didn't wanted to do a perm post in a wrong 
> newsgroup, so I thought this would be the best place for a question to 
> you all.
> 
To my knowlege, they live for FAR longer than 2 weeks, more like over 3 years...
It may be your client that is set not to keep or display messages that are more 
than 2 weeks old.

-- 
Alain
-------------------------------------------------
PROPENSITY TO CHANGE
A woman marries a man expecting he will change, but he doesn't.
A man marries a woman expecting that she won't change, and she does.

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Alain escribió:
> To my knowlege, they live for FAR longer than 2 weeks, more like over 3 
> years...

Not on .off-topic.

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Alain wrote:
> To my knowlege, they live for FAR longer than 2 weeks, more like over 3 
> years...
> It may be your client that is set not to keep or display messages that 
> are more than 2 weeks old.

It's more likely that your client is set not to delete messages when 
they are deleted on the server.

p.o-t has always had a 2 week expiration.

-- 
-Ian

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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:33:27 -0500, Ian Burgmyer wrote:

> p.o-t has always had a 2 week expiration.

??  Oldest message on the server is (note the posting date of Aug 23, 
2006):

jhenderson@jshlaptop madwifi]$ telnet news.povray.org 119
Trying 203.29.75.35...
Connected to news.povray.org.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 news.povray.org DNEWS Version  5.7b1,, S0, posting OK 
mode reader
200 DNews is in reader mode - posting OK.
group povray.off-topic
211 3885 164166 191875 povray.off-topic selected
head 3885
423 no such article number in this group
head 164166
221 164166 <MPG.1f5681df6fc1fe18989f82@news.povray.org> article retrieved 
- head follows
From: Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet>
Newsgroups: povray.off-topic
Subject: Re: The bush pilot
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:18:09 -0700
Message-ID: <MPG.1f5681df6fc1fe18989f82@news.povray.org>
References: [...]
Organization: -
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/2.70.2067
NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.185.228.51
X-Trace: news.povray.org 1156371491 66.185.228.51 (23 Aug 2006 18:18:11 
-0400)
Lines: 88
X-No-Archive: Yes
X-Copyright: This copyrighted article comes from a private news server 
and may NOT be distributed on USENET or other news servers.
X-POV-Header: --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
Path: news.povray.org!not-for-mail
Xref: news.povray.org povray.off-topic:164166

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:33:27 -0500, Ian Burgmyer wrote:
> 
>> p.o-t has always had a 2 week expiration.
> 
> ??  Oldest message on the server is (note the posting date of Aug 23, 
> 2006):
> 
> jhenderson@jshlaptop madwifi]$ telnet news.povray.org 119
> Trying 203.29.75.35...
> Connected to news.povray.org.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 200 news.povray.org DNEWS Version  5.7b1,, S0, posting OK 
> mode reader
> 200 DNews is in reader mode - posting OK.
> group povray.off-topic
> 211 3885 164166 191875 povray.off-topic selected
> head 3885
> 423 no such article number in this group
> head 164166
> 221 164166 <MPG.1f5681df6fc1fe18989f82@news.povray.org> article retrieved 
> - head follows
> From: Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet>
> Newsgroups: povray.off-topic
> Subject: Re: The bush pilot
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:18:09 -0700
...

tok@storeblaa ~ $ nc6 news.povray.org 119
nc6: using stream socket
200 news.povray.org DNEWS Version  5.7b1,, S0, posting OK
group povray.off-topic
211 3886 164166 191876 povray.off-topic selected
head 164166
221 164166 <MPG.1f5681df6fc1fe18989f82@news.povray.org> article
retrieved - head follows
From: Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet>
Newsgroups: povray.off-topic
Subject: Re: The bush pilot
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:18:09 -0700
Message-ID: <MPG.1f5681df6fc1fe18989f82@news.povray.org>
References: <44d721e4$1@news.povray.org> <44dc7923@news.povray.org>
<pan### [at] nospamcom> <44dd23d7@news.povray.org>
<44ddec96$1@news.povray.org> <44de0164@news.povray.org>
<44D### [at] hotmailcom>
<pan### [at] nospamcom>
<MPG.1f493e995c065ed1989f68@news.povray.org>
<pan### [at] nospamcom>
<MPG.1f4adcb613cd07c4989f6b@news.povray.org>
<pan### [at] nospamcom>
<MPG.1f4be70d5e85b18d989f6e@news.povray.org>
<pan### [at] nospamcom>
<MPG.1f4d2d9c14785ec3989f6f@news.povray.org>
<pan### [at] nospamcom>
<MPG.1f4fdcec1ef27e20989f75@news.povray.org>
<pan### [at] nospamcom>
<MPG.1f5289c36b715f8989f77@news.povray.org>
<pan### [at] nospamcom>
<MPG.1f53c24660bedadb989f7a@news.povray.org>
<pan### [at] nospamcom>
<MPG.1f55346ef7c0efb989f7d@news.povray.org>
<pan### [at] nospamcom>
Organization: -
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/2.70.2067
NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.185.228.51
X-Trace: news.povray.org 1156371491 66.185.228.51 (23 Aug 2006 18:18:11
-0400)
Lines: 88
X-No-Archive: Yes
X-Copyright: This copyrighted article comes from a private news server
and may NOT be distributed on USENET or other news servers.
X-POV-Header: --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
Path: news.povray.org!not-for-mail
Xref: news.povray.org povray.off-topic:164166
.
head 164167
423 no such article number in this group
head 164168
423 no such article number in this group
head 170000
423 no such article number in this group
head 180000
423 no such article number in this group
head 187979
423 no such article number in this group
head 187980
423 no such article number in this group
head 187981
221 187981 <web.47427b6b1d7416445a73e3b40@news.povray.org> article
retrieved - head follows
From: "Meothuru" <nomail@nomail>
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:15:07 EST
Newsgroups: povray.off-topic
Message-ID: <web.47427b6b1d7416445a73e3b40@news.povray.org>
Subject: Re: Good widescreen LCD
References: <473e9d98@news.povray.org>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------boundary00xxzz99pov77ccvv44"
X-Source:
+PwH/xwJ/fwDEBP07irrLO0pLg4vCiHrNO8QCQof/wkJBTUO3ICfwcjai5/dlW2lgbmtoK2YfK3D5HiWr4+owcjEe6Ddv37Z
X-Newsreader: POV-Ray Web Interface
X-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6)
Gecko/20040206 Firefox/0.8
NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.29.75.35
X-Trace: news.povray.org 1195539600 203.29.75.35 (20 Nov 2007 01:20:00
-0500)
Lines: 40
X-No-Archive: Yes
X-Copyright: This copyrighted article comes from a private news server
and may NOT be distributed on USENET or other news servers.
X-POV-Header: --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
Path: news.povray.org!217.86.170.197
Xref: news.povray.org povray.off-topic:187981
.
quit
205 closing connection - goodbye!
tok@storeblaa ~ $

-- 
Tor Olav
http://subcube.com

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Alain escribió:
> To my knowlege, they live for FAR longer than 2 weeks, more like over 3 
> years...
> It may be your client that is set not to keep or display messages that 
> are more than 2 weeks old.

You are wrong. This newsgroup(off-topic) only keeps messages for 2 
weeks, ask Warp if you don't believe me.

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"Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote

> -Second, I know this post only will live 2 weeks in here and it'll be
> deleted after that,

For good reason. Don't expect serious or technical discussions here.

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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:41:52 +0100, Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:

[...]

Hmmm, so why is the older message still there?

Even still, though, Nov 20 is more than 2 weeks ago...

Jim

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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:51:31 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:

> Alain escribió:
>> To my knowlege, they live for FAR longer than 2 weeks, more like over 3
>> years...
>> It may be your client that is set not to keep or display messages that
>> are more than 2 weeks old.
> 
> You are wrong. This newsgroup(off-topic) only keeps messages for 2
> weeks, ask Warp if you don't believe me.

Sorry, it's not 2 weeks.  It's 10 weeks, based on the headers on the 
server.

There is one message from week 34 last year, and then:

Week    Messages
47	208
48	234
49	352
50	755
51	187
52	172
1	581
2	622
3	616
4	168

Things seemed to slow down over the holidays (not surprising).

A few other interesting stats:

Of the newsreaders that report a user-agent, Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 was used 
the most frequently (893 out of 3896 posts).  1363 posts have no user-
agent information.

Top 10 posters (number of posts):

Darren New 	419
Invisible 	380
Warp 	325
Jim Henderson 	225
Orchid XP v7 	198
Phil Cook 	170
Stephen 	168
nemesis 	136
scott 	134
Patrick Elliott 	104

Top 10 posters (total lines in posts, probably includes quotebacks):

Darren New 	10373
Invisible 	8341
H. Karsten 	7232
Patrick Elliott 	7162
Jim Henderson 	5986
Phil Cook 	5844
Warp 	5506
alphaQuad 	4523
nemesis 	4094
Orchid XP v7 	3487

Top topic (by subject) was "Getting Kenned Ham, without paying." with 444 
posts.  "Most incomprehensible films ever" achieved 272 posts and "How 
far can you go spotting goofs in movies?" got 110.

Jim

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Is 2 weeks,let me put it this way:

I use SeaMonkey Mail&News Groups, I didn't had off-topic set to download 
the messages I had to see them online only, after a few days I set today 
to download the messages and since it only had the headers couldn't 
download the body for messages 2 weeks before today, so, SeaMonkey 
Mail&News Groups started to delete those headers, proving the servers 
time limited storage. I hope this is clear enough.

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And lo on Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:52:24 -0000, Saul Luizaga  
<sau### [at] netscapenet> did spake, saying:

> Is 2 weeks,let me put it this way:
>
> I use SeaMonkey Mail&News Groups, I didn't had off-topic set to download  
> the messages I had to see them online only, after a few days I set today  
> to download the messages and since it only had the headers couldn't  
> download the body for messages 2 weeks before today, so, SeaMonkey  
> Mail&News Groups started to delete those headers, proving the servers  
> time limited storage. I hope this is clear enough.

I'll put it this way, Opera doesn't keep a local cache of the body just  
the headers (except my own posts). I can read as far back as this

From: "scott" <sco### [at] laptopcom>
Newsgroups: povray.off-topic
References: <47419232@news.povray.org> <47425c6e$1@news.povray.org>  
<4742a6e7$1@news.povray.org> <4742ae22@news.povray.org>  
<4742af89$1@news.povray.org> <4742b16c@news.povray.org>  
<4742b32c$1@news.povray.org> <47435f89$1@news.povray.org>
Subject: Re: A question of pure mathematics
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:55:44 +0100
<snip>
Xref: news.povray.org povray.off-topic:188044

the item before is

Subject: Re: A question of pure mathematics
From: "Tim Attwood" <tim### [at] comcastnet>
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:28:26 -0000
Message-ID: <47435f89$1@news.povray.org>
References: <47419232@news.povray.org> <47425c6e$1@news.povray.org>  
<4742a6e7$1@news.povray.org> <4742ae22@news.povray.org>  
<4742af89$1@news.povray.org> <4742b16c@news.povray.org>  
<4742b32c$1@news.povray.org>
Newsgroups: povray.off-topic

which is from my local cache of headers. No body text is available.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com

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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:52:24 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:

> Is 2 weeks,let me put it this way:
> 
> I use SeaMonkey Mail&News Groups, I didn't had off-topic set to download
> the messages I had to see them online only, after a few days I set today
> to download the messages and since it only had the headers couldn't
> download the body for messages 2 weeks before today, so, SeaMonkey
> Mail&News Groups started to delete those headers, proving the servers
> time limited storage. I hope this is clear enough.

You may only be downloading 2 weeks worth in SeaMonkey; I looked directly 
at the server, and in Pan, I just downloaded messages from early December 
as well as the earliest message dated Nov 21 2007:

Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:51:37 +0100
From: Fa3ien <fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: povray.off-topic
Subject: gathering infos from web pages
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.240.39.81
Message-ID: <4744378d@news.povray.org>
X-Trace: news.povray.org 1195653005 81.240.39.81 (21 Nov 2007 08:50:05 
-0500)
Lines: 37
X-No-Archive: Yes
X-Copyright: This copyrighted article comes from a private news server 
and may NOT be distributed on USENET or other news servers.
X-POV-Header: --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
Path: news.povray.org!not-for-mail
Xref: news.povray.org povray.off-topic:188057

(posting just the header, but the message body includes the text:

Hi,
in our country, we have a government-operated official website which
publishes opportunities in public tender.

)

That your reader isn't pulling messages from > 2 weeks ago doesn't mean 
that those messages do not exist on the server.

I hope *that* clears it up once and for all.  10 weeks worth of messages 
exist on the server.  *Not* 2.

Jim

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> A few other interesting stats:
....
> Top 10 posters (number of posts):
>
> Darren New  419
> Invisible  380
> Warp  325
> Jim Henderson  225
> Orchid XP v7  198
> Phil Cook  170
> Stephen  168
> nemesis  136
> scott  134
> Patrick Elliott  104

Invisible + Orchid XP v7 = 578, putting Andrew at #1.

> Top 10 posters (total lines in posts, probably includes quotebacks):
>
> Darren New  10373
> Invisible  8341
> H. Karsten  7232
> Patrick Elliott  7162
> Jim Henderson  5986
> Phil Cook  5844
> Warp  5506
> alphaQuad  4523
> nemesis  4094
> Orchid XP v7  3487

Again, Andrew's total is 11 828, putting him at #1.  Are you noticing a pattern?
:)

....

I remember somebody once posted stats for this group from its inception, not
just the current messages; is anyone still doing this?

....Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com

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look ma, I'm in a toptens!!

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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:20:37 EST, "Chambers" <bdc### [at] yahoocom> wrote:

>> Stephen  168

This is a blip! It will drop down when I get a new contract, or a life :)

Regards
	Stephen

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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:20:37 -0500, Chambers wrote:

> Again, Andrew's total is 11 828, putting him at #1.  Are you noticing a
> pattern?

I had noticed that and was going to comment on it, but didn't. :-)

> ....
> 
> I remember somebody once posted stats for this group from its inception,
> not just the current messages; is anyone still doing this?

Not I; don't have access to a full dump of all messages ever posted.  I 
just pulled all header info and used that, since an NNTP server is 
supposed to expire headers and bodies at the same time, unless there's 
overview file corruption (which is where much/all of the header info 
comes from).

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:41:52 +0100, Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> Hmmm, so why is the older message still there?

I don't know.
Maybe the news server is slightly misconfigured ?
- Or perhaps it's a tiny bug somewhere ?

> Even still, though, Nov 20 is more than 2 weeks ago...

Yes, that's a bit odd.
Maybe they have changed the timeout period for p.o-t (?)

-- 
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 02:29:58 +0100, Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:41:52 +0100, Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> Hmmm, so why is the older message still there?
> 
> I don't know.
> Maybe the news server is slightly misconfigured ? - Or perhaps it's a
> tiny bug somewhere ?

I know on Twister (the server I'm more familiar with), something like 
this could happen if the overview cache was corrupted, but I'd expect to 
see other strange things in the groups as well (missing messages and 
such).

>> Even still, though, Nov 20 is more than 2 weeks ago...
> 
> Yes, that's a bit odd.
> Maybe they have changed the timeout period for p.o-t (?)

Possibly.

I could check another group, I suppose - or all groups, and compare.

Jim

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Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:41:52 +0100, Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Hmmm, so why is the older message still there?
> 
> I don't know.
> Maybe the news server is slightly misconfigured ?
> - Or perhaps it's a tiny bug somewhere ?

Speaking of which, the oldest message I see is titled "Re: The bush 
pilot", posted by Patrick Elliot, with a date of 8/23/2006 3:18pm.

Even when I have Thunderbird remove all expired articles (which it is 
SUPPOSED to do automatically... grr), it remains.

-- 
...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com

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"Chambers" <bdc### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message 
news:web.4798f315e44a669e261d9700@news.povray.org...

> I remember somebody once posted stats for this group from its inception, 
> not
> just the current messages; is anyone still doing this?

     I think it was Stephen Lenehan iirc.

       ~Steve~


>
> ....Chambers
> www.pacificwebguy.com
>

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In article <47994ea8$1@news.povray.org>, ben### [at] pacificwebguycom says...
> Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
> > Jim Henderson wrote:
> >> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:41:52 +0100, Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> Hmmm, so why is the older message still there?
> > 
> > I don't know.
> > Maybe the news server is slightly misconfigured ?
> > - Or perhaps it's a tiny bug somewhere ?
> 
> Speaking of which, the oldest message I see is titled "Re: The bush 
> pilot", posted by Patrick Elliot, with a date of 8/23/2006 3:18pm.
> 
> Even when I have Thunderbird remove all expired articles (which it is 
> SUPPOSED to do automatically... grr), it remains.
> 
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I'll look for this in the enormous amount of files and I'll let you know 
later, sorry for the delay.

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Jim Henderson escribió:
> You may only be downloading 2 weeks worth in SeaMonkey; I looked directly 
> at the server, and in Pan, I just downloaded messages from early December 
> as well as the earliest message dated Nov 21 2007:

I understood I was  wrong here

> That your reader isn't pulling messages from > 2 weeks ago doesn't mean 
> that those messages do not exist on the server.

I know

> I hope *that* clears it up once and for all.  10 weeks worth of messages 
> exist on the server.  *Not* 2.
> 
> Jim

You don't need to be that emphatic, I understand a clarification when I 
see it.

  I apologize, you were right.

Regards.

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If it's only your local cache of headers and you can't retrieve the body 
from the server then that doesn't count, counts when you can.

But Jim proof me wrong alright with his news reader.

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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:42:13 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:

>   I apologize, you were right.

No problem. :-)

Jim

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