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Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
> "This is your brain on music" by Levitin. He studies the
> neurology of what happens when you listen to music. And then he
> illustrates it with examples from popular music (like the Beatles, not
> Pachelbel. :-)
you know, that title seems to say absolutely nothing. Nobody listen/reacts to
music in the same way. In particular, someone who digs rap is not likely to
take a kick out of Mozart. People in general have a real hard time trying to
follow or understand the complicated developments, multiple voices and harmony
of western classical music tradition. Anything with more than an easy melody,
no percusion and no videoclip is best avoided...
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Kevin Wampler wrote:
> I like it as well, part of the reason I linked it (written in 1958 by
> the way!). The composer,Ligeti, is actually one of the more classical
> composers of the latter half of the 20th century.
It seems I left out the word "influential" between "classical" and
"composer", which sort of rendered that sentence nonsensical.
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Kevin Wampler <wampler+pov### [at] uwashingtonedu> wrote:
> I'll admit that it took me a bit of effort to learn to enjoy listening
> to this sort of music, but I've ultimately found it to be very worth it.
It's the kind of music which works well in certain types of movies,
but it's quite hard to listen all by itself.
--
- Warp
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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Kevin Wampler <wampler+pov### [at] uwashingtonedu> wrote:
> > I'll admit that it took me a bit of effort to learn to enjoy listening
> > to this sort of music, but I've ultimately found it to be very worth it.
>
> It's the kind of music which works well in certain types of movies,
> but it's quite hard to listen all by itself.
yes, it worked well for Lygeti in 2001. Out of it, it just sound like lots of
violins or voices moaning senselessly... atonal music is a dead-end...
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nemesis wrote:
> yes, it worked well for Lygeti in 2001. Out of it, it just sound like lots of
> violins or voices moaning senselessly... atonal music is a dead-end...
I don't this is the case at all. While I do agree that there is a lot
done in modern music that seems to be "strange for the sake of being
strange" (Cage springs to mind), I don't think that by any means all
atonal music is like this. In particular, Ligeti's handling of
orchestral and choral texture seems quite adept to me, and it doesn't
sound like a bunch of voices senselessly moaning, but rather a piece
with definite carefully wrought structure.
I think that the biggest complaints that might be made about atonal
music is that it's easy to get carried away with all the freedom, and
that it is difficult to listen to until you get used to it. I found my
experience with atonal music to be somewhat similar to my experience
with the taste of beer in this respect. For a long time I thought "eww,
that's not good at all", but after I'd tried each enough times I began
to think "ahh, now I begin to get what other people see in this"
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This is not, of course, to say that you should like it too, but rather
that I think there are sufficient artistic possibilities within the genre.
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Kevin Wampler <wampler+pov### [at] uwashingtonedu> wrote:
> In particular, Ligeti's handling of
> orchestral and choral texture seems quite adept to me, and it doesn't
> sound like a bunch of voices senselessly moaning, but rather a piece
> with definite carefully wrought structure.
structure, texture, rhythm and color alone don't make good music. There should
be harmonic progression. Coherent harmonic progression. atonal music fails
here...
> after I'd tried each enough times I began
> to think "ahh, now I begin to get what other people see in this"
to get drunk? ;)
yes, everything in life can become familiar once we deal with it everyday. If
you're a beggar, eating junk is not weird at all. Seemingly, you could just
say: "you know, that Cage guy was right. Those guys at the construction site
near office make some wonderful music!"
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nemesis wrote:
> to get drunk? ;)
heh.
> yes, everything in life can become familiar once we deal with it everyday. If
> you're a beggar, eating junk is not weird at all. Seemingly, you could just
> say: "you know, that Cage guy was right. Those guys at the construction site
> near office make some wonderful music!"
I agree with you here, I'm much more defending composers like Ligeti
than Cage.
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nemesis wrote:
> structure, texture, rhythm and color alone don't make good music. There should
> be harmonic progression. Coherent harmonic progression. atonal music fails
> here...
I'll admit that I'm rather surprised that you a consider coherent
harmonic progression to be a necessary criteria for music to be good.
That seems to be far too restrictive to me, and I don't understand why a
harmonic progression would be so important at a fundamental level. That
seems rather to me like saying that good poetry should have a coherent
rhyme pattern.
Where do you place something like the prelude to Das Rheingold, which
while tonal has essentially no harmonic progression and is essentially a
work dealing with orchestral texture? On the other end, what about
something like Rite of Spring which has a tonal structure, but one which
takes many more liberties than in traditional classical music?
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I followed the link and listened. I found it moderately amusing-- even
considered forwarding the link to some other people. But I decided the time
would be better spent going out and finding some food to eat. The funny
thing is-- and I am not making this up, is that when I stepped out of the
door I could hear my neighbor practicing on her slightly out of tune piano.
What was it she was practicing, you ask? I'll tell you: Pachebel's Canon in
D major. Synchronicity, indeed.
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