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So, what do people here use for editing video?
I found a program called Virtual Dub which I use to convert a list of
stills into an animation file. I'm told it also has some kind of video
editing capabilities. (I haven't actually investigated this part yet.)
My DVD burner came with some software that will transcode video into the
secret format that DVD players will play. It also has some minimal
editing facilities. (To be honest, it seems to be more interested in
designing cute fluffy menu systems for the disk...)
I'm told certain versions of Nero feature similar functionallity - but
apparently not the versions I have. ;-)
So, I've got something to turn frames into video, and something to turn
video into a playable DVD. Anybody know of something good for editing
inbetween?
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Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> I found a program called Virtual Dub which I use to convert a list of
> stills into an animation file. I'm told it also has some kind of video
> editing capabilities. (I haven't actually investigated this part yet.)
VirtualDub is not a video editing software. It's basically a program to
decode and then encode video (using existing codecs in your system), with
support for some filters which can be applied to the video.
The main purpose of VirtualDub is to re-encode videos (from one format,
eg. raw or mpeg2, to another, eg. mpeg4, of from one format to the same
format but with different compression settings).
> My DVD burner came with some software that will transcode video into the
> secret format that DVD players will play.
I didn't know MPEG-2 was so secret of a format.
> It also has some minimal
> editing facilities. (To be honest, it seems to be more interested in
> designing cute fluffy menu systems for the disk...)
DVD creators are not video editing software per se.
> Anybody know of something good for editing inbetween?
Something which doesn't cost humongous amounts of money? Nope.
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>> I found a program called Virtual Dub which I use to convert a list of
>> stills into an animation file. I'm told it also has some kind of video
>> editing capabilities. (I haven't actually investigated this part yet.)
>
> VirtualDub is not a video editing software. It's basically a program to
> decode and then encode video (using existing codecs in your system), with
> support for some filters which can be applied to the video.
Which is mostly what I use it for. ;-)
>> My DVD burner came with some software that will transcode video into the
>> secret format that DVD players will play.
>
> I didn't know MPEG-2 was so secret of a format.
Well, *you* try finding software that will encode it. (Without paying
money.) Plenty of decoders, no (free) encoders.
And it's not just MPEG-2. A playable DVD requires a particular file
structure and lots of metadata. (And a root menu...) I hear it's
possible to build a usable video DVD using k3b, but after the first
dozen pages of the HOWTO I decided it was just way too complicated.
>> It also has some minimal
>> editing facilities. (To be honest, it seems to be more interested in
>> designing cute fluffy menu systems for the disk...)
>
> DVD creators are not video editing software per se.
True. But mine does offer a few cute little effects like dissolves, and
allows you to arrange and rearrange sets of clips with moderate easy.
(Just don't try to preview it - it makes the computer cry.)
>> Anybody know of something good for editing inbetween?
>
> Something which doesn't cost humongous amounts of money? Nope.
Mmm, OK. I was kind of thinking that in this age of OSS almost
everything seems to have a free implementation somewhere. Oh well...
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Am Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:15:58 +0000 schrieb Invisible:
> And it's not just MPEG-2. A playable DVD requires a particular file
> structure and lots of metadata. (And a root menu...)
Yes, pretty fascinating stuff. It's like programming a computer (heck, it
*is*)!
>
> Mmm, OK. I was kind of thinking that in this age of OSS almost
> everything seems to have a free implementation somewhere. Oh well...
Well, why do we always need to chew the food for you...
google:"sourceforge video editing" yields "LiVES" for me, didn't try it
though. And you can always abuse Blender for video editing (Sequencer
window).
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote
> So, I've got something to turn frames into video, and something to turn
> video into a playable DVD. Anybody know of something good for editing
> inbetween?
Editing is too generic a word. What exactly do you need to do?
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somebody <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> Editing is too generic a word. What exactly do you need to do?
Video editing usually looks something like this:
http://createdigitalmotion.com/images/2006/July2006/finalcutexpress.jpg
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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote
> somebody <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> > Editing is too generic a word. What exactly do you need to do?
> Video editing usually looks something like this:
> http://createdigitalmotion.com/images/2006/July2006/finalcutexpress.jpg
OK. I suggest Final Cut Express...
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somebody wrote:
> Editing is too generic a word. What exactly do you need to do?
Take several chunks of video. Cut 'em up. Stick them back together in a
different order. Maybe remove bits or duplicate them. Repeat until it
looks good.
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somebody <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> OK. I suggest Final Cut Express...
If you can afford $199...
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And lo on Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:14:41 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did
spake, saying:
> somebody wrote:
>
>> Editing is too generic a word. What exactly do you need to do?
>
> Take several chunks of video.
VirtualDub will only handle one file at a time.
> Cut 'em up. Stick them back together in a different order. Maybe remove
> bits or duplicate them. Repeat until it looks good.
Yep it'll do that for one 'chunk' of video. I use it mostly for rotating
video 90 degrees and/or re-encoding at 30fps, but you can select sections
cut/copy them out and paste them into a later or earlier point if that's
what you mean.
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Phil Cook <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
> but you can select sections
> cut/copy them out and paste them into a later or earlier point if that's
> what you mean.
VirtualDub is really awkward for that purpose. It's not a video editing
software, it never was.
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Cinelerra is what I've played with, not sure if there's a Windows version
though (but I think there is). It's OSS and supposed to be quite good,
but the learning curve is pretty steep.
Jim
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:15:58 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> Well, *you* try finding software that will encode it. (Without paying
> money.) Plenty of decoders, no (free) encoders.
http://www.mplayerhq.hu
mencoder will create MPEG-2 files just fine. IIRC, Windows version
available.
Jim
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And lo on Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:26:17 -0000, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> did
spake, saying:
> Phil Cook <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>> but you can select sections
>> cut/copy them out and paste them into a later or earlier point if that's
>> what you mean.
>
> VirtualDub is really awkward for that purpose. It's not a video editing
> software, it never was.
No if it was you could work and mix multiple files, but if you just want
to trim the "Is it on?" at the beginning or take out that guy making rude
gestures at the camera or make it look like the Queen is storming out of a
photo session rather then into one; then it'll do that with relative ease.
For what it sounds like Andy wants to do I agree it won't work, but it
could be used to clean up his separate files first.
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:478de76d$1@news.povray.org...
>
> Well, *you* try finding software that will encode it. (Without paying
> money.) Plenty of decoders, no (free) encoders.
>
Yup. Very hard
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=free+dvd+encoder&btnG=Google+Search&met
a=
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=free+mpeg-2+encoder&btnG=Search&meta=
My laptop came with Roxio's MyDvd Basic installed. No idea how much it is to
but. I've only used it once (convert 2 DivX encoded videos to a DVD so my
parents could watch them)
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Invisible wrote:
> So, I've got something to turn frames into video, and something to turn
> video into a playable DVD. Anybody know of something good for editing
> inbetween?
For Windows, I use ULead Movie Factory. I tried about a dozen different
such programs (a few years back, mind), and ULead's software was the
only one that didn't give me artifacts. Everyone else's "best" quality
was worse than ulead's "smallest" quality - I suspect ulead was the only
one generating B frames.
Other than that, google around. Most of the programs have free demos
that'll only do like 5 minutes at a time.
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at the end and adjust the release date.
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Invisible wrote:
> Take several chunks of video. Cut 'em up. Stick them back together in a
> different order. Maybe remove bits or duplicate them. Repeat until it
> looks good.
iMovie or iDVD or something like that on Macs. (Comes with?)
Windows Movie Maker (comes with Windows XP, IIRC, or is a free download).
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It's not feature creep if you put it
at the end and adjust the release date.
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In article <478e2218@news.povray.org>, war### [at] tagpovrayorg says...
> Phil Cook <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
> > but you can select sections
> > cut/copy them out and paste them into a later or earlier point if that'
s
> > what you mean.
>
> VirtualDub is really awkward for that purpose. It's not a video editing
> software, it never was.
>
Hmm. In line with this, just wondering if there is some way to feed
something through it to fix a problem I have? My father, being a major
dope about video cameras, treated it like a picture camera and recorded
sections of videos sideways... I know in theory that you could pull the
audio out, strip the stream down to individual frames, rotate those to a
normal orientation, then restream it all, but I wasn't sure if there was
any way to use VirtualDub or one of the other free tools that exist to
manage that. Its certainly not something you are going to run into often
enough for them to have provided a way to fix this in the software that
came with it. Which isn't that bad, once you get past the confusion of
how to crop out bits you don't want (you have to select the part you
want to keep, not get rid of, which to me is completely backwards).
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:25:23 +0100, Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet>
wrote:
> Hmm. In line with this, just wondering if there is some way to feed
> something through it to fix a problem I have? My father, being a major
> dope about video cameras, treated it like a picture camera and recorded
> sections of videos sideways... I know in theory that you could pull the
> audio out, strip the stream down to individual frames, rotate those to a
> normal orientation, then restream it all, but I wasn't sure if there was
> any way to use VirtualDub or one of the other free tools that exist to
> manage that.
I recall there being a 'rotate' filter in VirtualDub.
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> So, what do people here use for editing video?
Windows Movie Maker
Should be in your start menu somewhere if you have XP or Vista installed.
Very easy to use, can add clips together, fade between them, add text, add
audio tracks etc. Not as many features as a real editing software, but it's
free and does the basics.
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>> So, what do people here use for editing video?
>
> Windows Movie Maker
>
> Should be in your start menu somewhere if you have XP or Vista installed.
>
> Very easy to use, can add clips together, fade between them, add text,
> add audio tracks etc. Not as many features as a real editing software,
> but it's free and does the basics.
*checks*
My word... It's on my PC at work. How bizare...
[Well, I guess this is what happens when you use an operating system
made by a company that thinks that PCs are games machines.]
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And lo on Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:37:28 -0000, Fredrik Eriksson
<noo### [at] nowherecom> did spake, saying:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:25:23 +0100, Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet>
> wrote:
>> Hmm. In line with this, just wondering if there is some way to feed
>> something through it to fix a problem I have? My father, being a major
>> dope about video cameras, treated it like a picture camera and recorded
>> sections of videos sideways... I know in theory that you could pull the
>> audio out, strip the stream down to individual frames, rotate those to a
>> normal orientation, then restream it all, but I wasn't sure if there was
>> any way to use VirtualDub or one of the other free tools that exist to
>> manage that.
>
>
> I recall there being a 'rotate' filter in VirtualDub.
Worship me for I can see the future :-P
http://flipc.blogspot.com/2006/11/rotating-videos-virtual-dub-way.html
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And lo on Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:33:52 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>
did spake, saying:
> Invisible wrote:
>> Take several chunks of video. Cut 'em up. Stick them back together in a
>> different order. Maybe remove bits or duplicate them. Repeat until it
>> looks good.
>
> iMovie or iDVD or something like that on Macs. (Comes with?)
>
> Windows Movie Maker (comes with Windows XP, IIRC, or is a free download).
Except WMM insists on outputting everything as wmv (or wma) at 25fps
regardless of input; oh and last time I tried doesn't rotate video
properly either.
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Phil Cook wrote:
> Worship me for I can see the future :-P
*oooooooooom*
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Look up AVIsynth, the POV of video editing :-)
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scott wrote:
> Look up AVIsynth, the POV of video editing :-)
Looks like it might be useful for, say, applying temporal and spatial
antialiasing. Probably not much use for actual editing though...
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>> Look up AVIsynth, the POV of video editing :-)
>
> Looks like it might be useful for, say, applying temporal and spatial
> antialiasing. Probably not much use for actual editing though...
Just like POV isn't much use for actually modelling anything in 3D ;-)
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scott wrote:
>>> Look up AVIsynth, the POV of video editing :-)
>>
>> Looks like it might be useful for, say, applying temporal and spatial
>> antialiasing. Probably not much use for actual editing though...
>
> Just like POV isn't much use for actually modelling anything in 3D ;-)
Well, depends.
It's quite good for modelling algorithmic things, or things having a
specific geometry. (E.g., it's much easier to put an engine block
together with POV-Ray than trying to exactly align stuff with a mouse.)
But yeah, sure, there are plenty of things that POV-Ray won't easily do...
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>>>> Look up AVIsynth, the POV of video editing :-)
>>>
>>> Looks like it might be useful for, say, applying temporal and spatial
>>> antialiasing. Probably not much use for actual editing though...
>>
>> Just like POV isn't much use for actually modelling anything in 3D ;-)
>
> Well, depends.
>
> It's quite good for modelling algorithmic things, or things having a
> specific geometry. (E.g., it's much easier to put an engine block together
> with POV-Ray than trying to exactly align stuff with a mouse.)
Haha. Nobody aligns anything with a mouse alone the way you think, there
are things called "constraints" in modelling packages. Just select two
"things" and click constrain, the software will give you the valid options
for the things you selected (eg mate, align, coincident axis, constrain to
surface etc). I hate to think of the math involved in aligning conrods,
pistons and a crankshaft in POV. In a modeller it's very easy, the software
does the math for to rotate/translate once you tell it what you actually
want.
> But yeah, sure, there are plenty of things that POV-Ray won't easily do...
AVIsynth is like POV. If you want to type in the exact start and end
frames, exactly how long to fade, which files to load, exactly how to scale
and move the picture at each frame, overlays etc then fine, it's possible,
just like how modelling a room in POV is possible. It's not a fast process,
and usually involves trial and error, but certainly possible...
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>> It's quite good for modelling algorithmic things, or things having a
>> specific geometry. (E.g., it's much easier to put an engine block
>> together with POV-Ray than trying to exactly align stuff with a mouse.)
>
> Haha. Nobody aligns anything with a mouse alone the way you think,
> there are things called "constraints" in modelling packages. Just
> select two "things" and click constrain, the software will give you the
> valid options for the things you selected (eg mate, align, coincident
> axis, constrain to surface etc). I hate to think of the math involved
> in aligning conrods, pistons and a crankshaft in POV. In a modeller
> it's very easy, the software does the math for to rotate/translate once
> you tell it what you actually want.
Well, I know this is supposedly how CAD works, but I have yet to see any
readily available software that offers such power. (I did have a go at
writing such a thing myself once though...)
>> But yeah, sure, there are plenty of things that POV-Ray won't easily
>> do...
>
> AVIsynth is like POV. If you want to type in the exact start and end
> frames, exactly how long to fade, which files to load, exactly how to
> scale and move the picture at each frame, overlays etc then fine, it's
> possible, just like how modelling a room in POV is possible. It's not a
> fast process, and usually involves trial and error, but certainly
> possible...
I was thinking more that once you write a script to take a sequence at
250 frames per second, add motion blur, and convert down to 25 frames
per second, you can then process lots of videos quickly. With
VirtualDub, I keep having to re-enter those settings. (And not miss any
out...)
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Am Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:23:57 +0000 schrieb Invisible:
> Well, I know this is supposedly how CAD works, but I have yet to see any
> readily available software that offers such power. (I did have a go at
> writing such a thing myself once though...)
Well, try Blender, not exactly CAD but the mesh-based editing (and
aligning!) capabilities are quite impressive. Not to mention constraint-
based animation (FK and IK). Of course, it's not AutoCAD.
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> Well, I know this is supposedly how CAD works, but I have yet to see any
> readily available software that offers such power. (I did have a go at
> writing such a thing myself once though...)
As Michael mentioned, look at Blender, it is biased more towards animation
that actual design work, but still allows all the things I mentioned + lots
of animation features. Another example is modelling the suspension of a
car. For simplicity let's say the only input is the relative height of the
wheel compared to the body. In POV you would need to do the math to align
and rotate every component to fit together. In Blender (or another
CAD/modelling package) you can tell it which bits are "fixed" (using the
mouse) and then it automatically does all the transforms for you.
> I was thinking more that once you write a script to take a sequence at 250
> frames per second, add motion blur, and convert down to 25 frames per
> second, you can then process lots of videos quickly. With VirtualDub, I
> keep having to re-enter those settings. (And not miss any out...)
Yeh, AVIsynth would be perfect for that, actually it's what I mostly use it
for (converting POV output to video, and sometimes overlaying it on top of
real video).
The way I found AVIsynth is through the h264 codec, x264. It takes AVIsynth
files as an input, which is perfect to convert from POV output to .mp4 files
in one step, even including motion blur if you like.
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scott wrote:
> As Michael mentioned, look at Blender, it is biased more towards
> animation that actual design work, but still allows all the things I
> mentioned + lots of animation features. Another example is modelling
> the suspension of a car. For simplicity let's say the only input is the
> relative height of the wheel compared to the body. In POV you would
> need to do the math to align and rotate every component to fit
> together. In Blender (or another CAD/modelling package) you can tell it
> which bits are "fixed" (using the mouse) and then it automatically does
> all the transforms for you.
Well, there are physics simulations of various kinds for POV-Ray too.
(And this kind of thing would be much easier of SDL supported
reflection, proper control structures and data types, etc.)
IIRC I did look at Blender once (or was it Wings?). As far as I can
tell, it only edits triangles. And as we all know, that's a very hard
way to get anything done. (Just like editing individual pixels is a very
hard way to draw a realistic RSOCP.)
>> I was thinking more that once you write a script to take a sequence at
>> 250 frames per second, add motion blur, and convert down to 25 frames
>> per second, you can then process lots of videos quickly.
>
> Yeh, AVIsynth would be perfect for that, actually it's what I mostly use
> it for (converting POV output to video, and sometimes overlaying it on
> top of real video).
For fast-moving things, I often render at 2x or 4x the normal framerate,
add some motion blur, and then reduce the framerate back to normal. It's
meant to work as a time of temporal antialias. Seems to work moderately
well. (For good results, you probably need more than 4x. But it takes so
damn long.)
Similarly, if I'm generating frames from something that doesn't support
spatial AA, you can always render large and resize... ;-)
[Actually, POV-Ray's adaptive AA can twinkle annoyingly if you don't
turn the sensitivity up high enough.]
> The way I found AVIsynth is through the h264 codec, x264. It takes
> AVIsynth files as an input, which is perfect to convert from POV output
> to .mp4 files in one step, even including motion blur if you like.
I prefer to keep all my videos losslessly compressed until just before
they go onto the DVD, but yeah. ;-)
It's kinda frustrating that everything has to be at such a low
resolution to go onto a DVD. But then, when you watch it on TV... well
let me put it this way. I put a test render on there at half resolution
once. It looked horrid on my computer screen. But on the TV, I honestly
couldn't tell the difference...
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> It's kinda frustrating that everything has to be at such a low resolution
> to go onto a DVD. But then, when you watch it on TV... well let me put it
> this way. I put a test render on there at half resolution once. It looked
> horrid on my computer screen.
Even if you sat the same distance from your computer screen as you did from
the TV?
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And lo on Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:35:43 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did
spake, saying:
> Phil Cook wrote:
>
>> Worship me for I can see the future :-P
>
> *oooooooooom*
>
>
> *oooooooooom*
>
>
> *oooooooooom*
I prefer *ommmmm* and an offering of blue tomatoes.
Oooooh, I see, I see a newsgroup posting from Andy, it's about the new
network routers he's just installed, and they don't work correctly as
they've been configured for the US network at HQ. Ooooh. :-)
Oooh, I see, I see a reply to someone from Warp, he's ignoring the content
of the post and complaining about the use of the phrase "cut and paste"
instead of "copy and paste". Ooooooh!
Oooh I see hailstones denting Gail's car again and the insurance company
asking dumb questions oooh
Oooh I see Sherry acquiring 10 new cats oooh.
Oooh I see me not making any friends with this post oooh!
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http://flipc.blogspot.com
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Am Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:29:06 +0000 schrieb Invisible:
>
> IIRC I did look at Blender once (or was it Wings?). As far as I can
> tell, it only edits triangles. And as we all know, that's a very hard
*sigh* .... *SIGH*
You may have a look at this:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/r.burke2/presision_modelling.html
very excellent tutorial for the blender newb (notice I didn't say "n00b",
see also some old Ctrl-Alt-Del comic explaining the difference).
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:05:06 -0000, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>Oooh I see me not making any friends with this post oooh!
Wrong Mate
Regards
Stephen
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And lo on Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:19:56 -0000, Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom>
did spake, saying:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:05:06 -0000, "Phil Cook"
> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
>> Oooh I see me not making any friends with this post oooh!
>
> Wrong Mate
Oooh I see Stephen mentioning something Scottish in a reply to someone
oooh.
Oooh I see a cheap TV network offering me a show working with Yvette
Fielding oooh.
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scott wrote:
>> It's kinda frustrating that everything has to be at such a low
>> resolution to go onto a DVD. But then, when you watch it on TV... well
>> let me put it this way. I put a test render on there at half
>> resolution once. It looked horrid on my computer screen.
>
> Even if you sat the same distance from your computer screen as you did
> from the TV?
ESPECIALLY if you sat at the same distance!!
But then, people usually don't, and presumably the TV screen is designed
with this in mind. (For example, the three phosphore bands are clearly
visible to the naked eye on a TV screen. On a computer monitor, you'd
need a lense of some kind to see them...)
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Phil Cook wrote:
> Oooooh, I see, I see a newsgroup posting from Andy, it's about the new
> network routers he's just installed, and they don't work correctly as
> they've been configured for the US network at HQ. Ooooh. :-)
>
> Oooh, I see, I see a reply to someone from Warp, he's ignoring the
> content of the post and complaining about the use of the phrase "cut and
> paste" instead of "copy and paste". Ooooooh!
>
> Oooh I see hailstones denting Gail's car again and the insurance company
> asking dumb questions oooh
>
> Oooh I see Sherry acquiring 10 new cats oooh.
>
> Oooh I see me not making any friends with this post oooh!
I see dead people...
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:44:25 -0000, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>And lo on Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:19:56 -0000, Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom>
>did spake, saying:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:05:06 -0000, "Phil Cook"
>> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>>
>>> Oooh I see me not making any friends with this post oooh!
>>
>> Wrong Mate
>
>Oooh I see Stephen mentioning something Scottish in a reply to someone
>oooh.
Bar Steward! Och! I wus wrang Pal/Jimmie. Ye'r no ma best mate ony mare. :)
>Oooh I see a cheap TV network offering me a show working with Yvette
>Fielding oooh.
Have you been smoking old chap? Your references leave me in the dark.
Regards
Stephen
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>
> Bar Steward! Och! I wus wrang Pal/Jimmie. Ye'r no ma best mate ony mare.
> :)
I've sooo heard groundkeeper Willie speaking in my head...
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On 17 Jan 2008 08:48:03 -0500, Michael Zier <mic### [at] mirizide> wrote:
>>
>> Bar Steward! Och! I wus wrang Pal/Jimmie. Ye'r no ma best mate ony mare.
>> :)
>I've sooo heard groundkeeper Willie speaking in my head...
See yous can yer mither sew, ya bampot.
Regards
Stephen
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And lo on Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:10:47 -0000, Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom>
did spake, saying:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:44:25 -0000, "Phil Cook"
> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
>> And lo on Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:19:56 -0000, Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom>
>> did spake, saying:
>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:05:06 -0000, "Phil Cook"
>>> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oooh I see me not making any friends with this post oooh!
>>>
>>> Wrong Mate
>>
>> Oooh I see Stephen mentioning something Scottish in a reply to someone
>> oooh.
>
> Bar Steward! Och! I wus wrang Pal/Jimmie. Ye'r no ma best mate ony
> mare. :)
Something about a horse in a pub?
>> Oooh I see a cheap TV network offering me a show working with Yvette
>> Fielding oooh.
>
> Have you been smoking old chap? Your references leave me in the dark.
Knowing you'd ask I had the link to hand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_Haunted :-P
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:55:41 -0000, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>>
>> Bar Steward! Och! I wus wrang Pal/Jimmie. Ye'r no ma best mate ony
>> mare. :)
>
>Something about a horse in a pub?
It could be:)
>>> Oooh I see a cheap TV network offering me a show working with Yvette
>>> Fielding oooh.
>>
>> Have you been smoking old chap? Your references leave me in the dark.
>
>Knowing you'd ask I had the link to hand
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_Haunted :-P
It is time I got a new set of yarrow sticks.
Regards
Stephen
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And lo on Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:46:03 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did
spake, saying:
> scott wrote:
>>> It's kinda frustrating that everything has to be at such a low
>>> resolution to go onto a DVD. But then, when you watch it on TV... well
>>> let me put it this way. I put a test render on there at half
>>> resolution once. It looked horrid on my computer screen.
>> Even if you sat the same distance from your computer screen as you did
>> from the TV?
>
> ESPECIALLY if you sat at the same distance!!
>
> But then, people usually don't, and presumably the TV screen is designed
> with this in mind. (For example, the three phosphore bands are clearly
> visible to the naked eye on a TV screen. On a computer monitor, you'd
> need a lense of some kind to see them...)
I can see them with my naked eye, I can't with my glasses on mind. I do
have to close one eye and squint a bit though.
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Phil Cook wrote:
> Except WMM insists on outputting everything as wmv (or wma) at 25fps
> regardless of input
I think I just used it to suck the DV off the camera. Maybe if you
actually edit it refuses to write it back out in anything other than
Windows formats. Yah, that sounds likely. :-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
It's not feature creep if you put it
at the end and adjust the release date.
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Invisible wrote:
> Well, there are physics simulations of various kinds for POV-Ray too.
Has anyone noticed that off-topic seems exceptionally off-topic lately,
even for off-topic?
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It's not feature creep if you put it
at the end and adjust the release date.
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In article <op.t42htmvic3xi7v@news.povray.org>,
phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk says...
> And lo on Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:37:28 -0000, Fredrik Eriksson
> <noo### [at] nowherecom> did spake, saying:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:25:23 +0100, Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet>
> > wrote:
> >> Hmm. In line with this, just wondering if there is some way to feed
> >> something through it to fix a problem I have? My father, being a major
> >> dope about video cameras, treated it like a picture camera and recorde
d
> >> sections of videos sideways... I know in theory that you could pull th
e
> >> audio out, strip the stream down to individual frames, rotate those to
a
> >> normal orientation, then restream it all, but I wasn't sure if there w
as
> >> any way to use VirtualDub or one of the other free tools that exist to
> >> manage that.
> >
> >
> > I recall there being a 'rotate' filter in VirtualDub.
>
> Worship me for I can see the future :-P
>
> http://flipc.blogspot.com/2006/11/rotating-videos-virtual-dub-way.html
>
Awesome! Now I just have to get around to downloading VirtualDub again,
installing it on my dad's computer and then using it. lol
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If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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And lo on Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:11:33 -0000, Patrick Elliott
<sel### [at] rraznet> did spake, saying:
> In article <op.t42htmvic3xi7v@news.povray.org>,
> phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk says...
>> And lo on Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:37:28 -0000, Fredrik Eriksson
>> <noo### [at] nowherecom> did spake, saying:
>>
>> > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:25:23 +0100, Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet>
>> > wrote:
>> >> I wasn't sure if there was
>> >> any way to use VirtualDub or one of the other free tools that exist
>> >> to manage that.
>> >
>> >
>> > I recall there being a 'rotate' filter in VirtualDub.
>>
>> Worship me for I can see the future :-P
>>
>> http://flipc.blogspot.com/2006/11/rotating-videos-virtual-dub-way.html
>>
> Awesome! Now I just have to get around to downloading VirtualDub again,
> installing it on my dad's computer and then using it. lol
Hope it works for you.
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