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From: Invisible
Subject: Video editing
Date: 16 Jan 2008 04:46:07
Message: <478dd25f$1@news.povray.org>
So, what do people here use for editing video?

I found a program called Virtual Dub which I use to convert a list of 
stills into an animation file. I'm told it also has some kind of video 
editing capabilities. (I haven't actually investigated this part yet.)

My DVD burner came with some software that will transcode video into the 
secret format that DVD players will play. It also has some minimal 
editing facilities. (To be honest, it seems to be more interested in 
designing cute fluffy menu systems for the disk...)

I'm told certain versions of Nero feature similar functionallity - but 
apparently not the versions I have. ;-)

So, I've got something to turn frames into video, and something to turn 
video into a playable DVD. Anybody know of something good for editing 
inbetween?

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Video editing
Date: 16 Jan 2008 05:54:43
Message: <478de272@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I found a program called Virtual Dub which I use to convert a list of 
> stills into an animation file. I'm told it also has some kind of video 
> editing capabilities. (I haven't actually investigated this part yet.)

  VirtualDub is not a video editing software. It's basically a program to
decode and then encode video (using existing codecs in your system), with
support for some filters which can be applied to the video.

  The main purpose of VirtualDub is to re-encode videos (from one format,
eg. raw or mpeg2, to another, eg. mpeg4, of from one format to the same
format but with different compression settings).

> My DVD burner came with some software that will transcode video into the 
> secret format that DVD players will play.

  I didn't know MPEG-2 was so secret of a format.

> It also has some minimal 
> editing facilities. (To be honest, it seems to be more interested in 
> designing cute fluffy menu systems for the disk...)

  DVD creators are not video editing software per se.

> Anybody know of something good for editing inbetween?

  Something which doesn't cost humongous amounts of money? Nope.

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Video editing
Date: 16 Jan 2008 06:15:57
Message: <478de76d$1@news.povray.org>
>> I found a program called Virtual Dub which I use to convert a list of 
>> stills into an animation file. I'm told it also has some kind of video 
>> editing capabilities. (I haven't actually investigated this part yet.)
> 
>   VirtualDub is not a video editing software. It's basically a program to
> decode and then encode video (using existing codecs in your system), with
> support for some filters which can be applied to the video.

Which is mostly what I use it for. ;-)

>> My DVD burner came with some software that will transcode video into the 
>> secret format that DVD players will play.
> 
>   I didn't know MPEG-2 was so secret of a format.

Well, *you* try finding software that will encode it. (Without paying 
money.) Plenty of decoders, no (free) encoders.

And it's not just MPEG-2. A playable DVD requires a particular file 
structure and lots of metadata. (And a root menu...) I hear it's 
possible to build a usable video DVD using k3b, but after the first 
dozen pages of the HOWTO I decided it was just way too complicated.

>> It also has some minimal 
>> editing facilities. (To be honest, it seems to be more interested in 
>> designing cute fluffy menu systems for the disk...)
> 
>   DVD creators are not video editing software per se.

True. But mine does offer a few cute little effects like dissolves, and 
allows you to arrange and rearrange sets of clips with moderate easy. 
(Just don't try to preview it - it makes the computer cry.)

>> Anybody know of something good for editing inbetween?
> 
>   Something which doesn't cost humongous amounts of money? Nope.

Mmm, OK. I was kind of thinking that in this age of OSS almost 
everything seems to have a free implementation somewhere. Oh well...

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From: Michael Zier
Subject: Re: Video editing
Date: 16 Jan 2008 06:21:24
Message: <478de8b4$1@news.povray.org>
Am Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:15:58 +0000 schrieb Invisible:

> And it's not just MPEG-2. A playable DVD requires a particular file
> structure and lots of metadata. (And a root menu...) 

Yes, pretty fascinating stuff. It's like programming a computer (heck, it 
*is*)!

> 
> Mmm, OK. I was kind of thinking that in this age of OSS almost
> everything seems to have a free implementation somewhere. Oh well...

Well, why do we always need to chew the food for you... 
google:"sourceforge video editing" yields "LiVES" for me, didn't try it 
though. And you can always abuse Blender for video editing (Sequencer 
window).


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From: somebody
Subject: Re: Video editing
Date: 16 Jan 2008 08:41:08
Message: <478e0974$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote

> So, I've got something to turn frames into video, and something to turn
> video into a playable DVD. Anybody know of something good for editing
> inbetween?

Editing is too generic a word. What exactly do you need to do?


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Video editing
Date: 16 Jan 2008 08:45:14
Message: <478e0a6a@news.povray.org>
somebody <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> Editing is too generic a word. What exactly do you need to do?

  Video editing usually looks something like this:
http://createdigitalmotion.com/images/2006/July2006/finalcutexpress.jpg

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From: somebody
Subject: Re: Video editing
Date: 16 Jan 2008 09:05:32
Message: <478e0f2c@news.povray.org>
"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote
> somebody <x### [at] ycom> wrote:

> > Editing is too generic a word. What exactly do you need to do?

>   Video editing usually looks something like this:
> http://createdigitalmotion.com/images/2006/July2006/finalcutexpress.jpg

OK. I suggest Final Cut Express...


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Video editing
Date: 16 Jan 2008 09:14:42
Message: <478e1152@news.povray.org>
somebody wrote:

> Editing is too generic a word. What exactly do you need to do?

Take several chunks of video. Cut 'em up. Stick them back together in a 
different order. Maybe remove bits or duplicate them. Repeat until it 
looks good.

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Video editing
Date: 16 Jan 2008 10:06:20
Message: <478e1d6c@news.povray.org>
somebody <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> OK. I suggest Final Cut Express...

  If you can afford $199...

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Video editing
Date: 16 Jan 2008 10:23:37
Message: <op.t403l9q2c3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:14:41 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake, saying:

> somebody wrote:
>
>> Editing is too generic a word. What exactly do you need to do?
>
> Take several chunks of video.

VirtualDub will only handle one file at a time.

> Cut 'em up. Stick them back together in a different order. Maybe remove  
> bits or duplicate them. Repeat until it looks good.

Yep it'll do that for one 'chunk' of video. I use it mostly for rotating  
video 90 degrees and/or re-encoding at 30fps, but you can select sections  
cut/copy them out and paste them into a later or earlier point if that's  
what you mean.

-- 
Phil Cook

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