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OK, click this link:
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid/product/158520257973322698
Now tell me which month is *your* favourit one. (I know what my answer
is, but I'm curios to see what other people think...)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> OK, click this link:
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> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid/product/158520257973322698
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> Now tell me which month is *your* favourit one. (I know what my answer
> is, but I'm curios to see what other people think...)
>
I think mine is October.
--
Vincent
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On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:00:07 +0000, Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
>OK, click this link:
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>http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid/product/158520257973322698
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>Now tell me which month is *your* favourit one. (I know what my answer
>is, but I'm curios to see what other people think...)
May.
BTW, nice sales tactic on your part. :-p
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sweet bizarre and colorful fractals...
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> OK, click this link:
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> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid/product/158520257973322698
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> Now tell me which month is *your* favourit one. (I know what my answer
> is, but I'm curios to see what other people think...)
>
The front cover.
I'm guessing that your favorite is either the front cover (that's why
it's on the front), or the month of your birthday (that's why you put it
there).
--
...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com
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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid/product/158520257973322698
IMO you should have worked more on the palettes, and perhaps also
the locations of the zooms. Something more like:
http://warp.povusers.org/snaps/fract/
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>> Now tell me which month is *your* favourit one. (I know what my answer
>> is, but I'm curios to see what other people think...)
>
> May.
>
> BTW, nice sales tactic on your part. :-p
0;-D
No, seriously... What are the chances of selling a 2008 calender *now*?
I just find it interesting that, for example, people are willing to pay
*actual money* for what I consider to be some of my less impressive
images. It seems that different people have really _wildly_ different
ideas about which images are the good ones.
By using a calendar that only has 12 images, in a nicely clickable
format, and with names that everybody can understand, it's easy to do a
quick survey. So far nobody has cited any of my least favourit images as
being the best, but we'll see. ;-)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Warp wrote:
> IMO you should have worked more on the palettes,
This is the part I absolutely suck at. (You'll notice of course that
every single image present uses one of FractInt's built-in colour presets.)
FractInt's primitive colour editing interface doesn't help much, but
basically apart from using primary and secondary colours, I can never
think of good colour combinations. (And, obviously, there are 3 primary
and 3 secondary colours. Not too many possible combinations with only 6
starting points...)
> and perhaps also the locations of the zooms.
Hmm... Well since a finished fractal image = position + colour, you're
basically saying the entire thing sucks. ;-)
> Something more like:
> http://warp.povusers.org/snaps/fract/
See, now, I actually prefer my colour choices. (Yours all seem to
alternate between black and a randomly-chosen colour. Looks suspiciously
like one of the colouring algorithms from Xaos, actually.) I guess it's
a matter of personal taste.
You seem to have done a better job of centering the images though. And
some of the regions you found are quite unusual and interesting...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v7 a écrit :
> OK, click this link:
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> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid/product/158520257973322698
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> Now tell me which month is *your* favourit one. (I know what my answer
> is, but I'm curios to see what other people think...)
>
I like the back cover.
Thibaut
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:42:02 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> and perhaps also the locations of the zooms.
>
>Hmm... Well since a finished fractal image = position + colour, you're
>basically saying the entire thing sucks. ;-)
I don't think that he is. To any one who has played with Fractint your images
are great but to someone who has spent a lot of time deep zooming they do not
look unique. Not that, that is a criticism of your work. I've not seen much
about Fractint recently and I hope that you revive an interest in it.
BTW I always ended up using the default pallet. I like it.
Regards
Stephen
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> I've not seen much
> about Fractint recently and I hope that you revive an interest in it.
Last I heard, FractInt is no longer actively maintained. The images on
Zazzle are the last thing I ever generated with it. Sadly, it refuses to
run on my shiny new 64-bit PC.
I am currently attempting to construct a Mandelbrot exploration tool of
my own...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:34:06 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> I've not seen much
>> about Fractint recently and I hope that you revive an interest in it.
>
>Last I heard, FractInt is no longer actively maintained.
It is a shame.
>The images on
>Zazzle are the last thing I ever generated with it. Sadly, it refuses to
>run on my shiny new 64-bit PC.
Have you thought of compiling Fractint for a 64 bit OS because it runs on my m/c
with 32 bit WinXP?
>I am currently attempting to construct a Mandelbrot exploration tool of
>my own...
Interesting! Keep us posted on how you get on. I had lots of fun with the Cubic
Mandelbrot code that you posted a couple of years ago. I made an interesting DF3
density file with it that I still use. Would it be difficult to convert it to
the normal Mandelbrot? I tried and failed miserably.
Regards
Stephen
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I am currently attempting to construct a Mandelbrot exploration tool of
> my own...
Why? You'll never beat Xaos at that.
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> And
> some of the regions you found are quite unusual and interesting...
That's one thing I like about the Mandelbrot set: At first sight it
seems that there isn't really all that much variation, but if you just
keep exploring you'll find some surprises.
My favorite unusual shapes I have found are:
http://warp.povusers.org/snaps/fract/fract45.jpg
http://warp.povusers.org/snaps/fract/fract37.jpg
http://warp.povusers.org/snaps/fract/fract43.jpg
http://warp.povusers.org/snaps/fract/fract16.jpg
http://warp.povusers.org/snaps/fract/fract15.jpg
--
- Warp
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>> I am currently attempting to construct a Mandelbrot exploration tool of
>> my own...
>
> Why? You'll never beat Xaos at that.
Because it's fun and educational?
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Warp wrote:
> That's one thing I like about the Mandelbrot set: At first sight it
> seems that there isn't really all that much variation, but if you just
> keep exploring you'll find some surprises.
Indeed.
Originally I would just sort of explore at random. After a while you get
to know a few areas such that you can re-find them on que. But that's
not terribly exciting.
Later I spent some time working out the topology of the M set more
clearly. (I even have some mathematical rules that describe how the
periodic cycles work.)
Gradually I came to understand that particular shapes repeat around
things. Find a 3-way fork, zoom in, and you'll find minibrots decorated
with 3-way forks. (I quickly discovered that the negative tail has lots
of nie thin filaments that trace the internal structure of the other items.)
And then, after exploring the M set for years, I discovered something
completely unexpected: you can find mini Julia sets in there too! Real
Julia sets have 2-fold symmetry, but these mini copies have in their
interior shapes with 4-fold symmetry. And then 8-fold, 16-fold, and so
on, until you find a minibrot at the center.
And then, on exploring further, I discovered that there's a mini Julia
at every "junction point" inside, not just at the middle. But the ones
at other junctions have more complicated (and interesting) shapes. For
example, see
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid/product/228495105959465679
It's a normal "seashell" Julia, but bend into an S-shape. Most unusual.
And then, by choosing mini Julias inside, and going through multiple
non-central junctions, you can come up with really weird and wild shapes
[which inevitably end up looking a tad samey after a while].
I'm sure there is still plenty to be discovered in there...
> http://warp.povusers.org/snaps/fract/fract43.jpg
I like this.
> http://warp.povusers.org/snaps/fract/fract16.jpg
I wouldn't call this "unusual", but it is very beautiful.
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> I am currently attempting to construct a Mandelbrot exploration tool of
>> my own...
>
> Why? You'll never beat Xaos at that.
You think not?
Actually, my reason for building this tool is precisely to address a
limitation of Xaos. Zoom in and then zoom back out again, and Xaos will
recompute the pixels that scrolled off the screen. My plan is to build a
tool that will keep the data for every pixel ever drawn in a giant
on-disk database. I expect this to be highly useful for rendering long
zoom animations to disk - and also for fast interactive exploration. (At
least, the *second* time you visit an area anyway...)
As to whether the program ever reaches a useable state... we shall see.
[I also have plans for a more general-purpose fractal drawing tool more
like FractInt - i.e., with a healthy dose of different fractal types,
colouring algorithms, etc. But we'll see if that project ever goes
anywhere.]
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> OK, click this link:
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> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid/product/158520257973322698
>
> Now tell me which month is *your* favourit one. (I know what my answer
> is, but I'm curios to see what other people think...)
>
November .. or maybe December ... Dunno. I'm a sucker for minibrots.
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> OK, click this link:
>
> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid/product/158520257973322698
>
> Now tell me which month is *your* favourit one. (I know what my answer
> is, but I'm curios to see what other people think...)
>
You ever consider that something like this might be your way out of the
pit you are in now ;-)
Seriously....
If you could find a way to get these items out there that's a little
more profitable.
Just some thoughts ;-)
Tom
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Tom Austin wrote:
> You ever consider that something like this might be your way out of the
> pit you are in now ;-)
>
> Seriously....
>
> If you could find a way to get these items out there that's a little
> more profitable.
>
>
> Just some thoughts ;-)
Heh. Even Gilles doesn't actually make a *living* out of his work. And
*his* work kicks tail! ;-)
Nice idea though...
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Mike Raiford wrote:
> November .. or maybe December ... Dunno. I'm a sucker for minibrots.
;-)
The Mandelbrot set, like the number Pi, pops up everywhere. But, unlike
Pi, it's much more interesting! :-D
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> > Why? You'll never beat Xaos at that.
> You think not?
Good luck trying to beat it, or even equal it at speed. Not impossible,
of course, but very, very laborious.
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Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>> Why? You'll never beat Xaos at that.
>
>> You think not?
>
> Good luck trying to beat it, or even equal it at speed. Not impossible,
> of course, but very, very laborious.
Raw rendering speed is not my primary priority.
[Have you noticed that sometimes you zoom in, and the adaptive rendering
stops before the image has reached full detail? How annoying is that?
Hopefully my tool won't have that limitation. Not to mention being able
to actually edit the colours used, and have an unlimited number of them...]
--
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
>> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>> I am currently attempting to construct a Mandelbrot exploration
>>> tool of my own...
>>
>> Why? You'll never beat Xaos at that.
>
> You think not?
>
> Actually, my reason for building this tool is precisely to address a
> limitation of Xaos.
I haven't tried Xaos myself, but I see that it's licensed under the GPL.
Couldn't you just start with the Xaos source code and put in the
functionality you speak of?
Oh wait, I guess you're doing your tool in Haskel...
Rune
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>> Actually, my reason for building this tool is precisely to address a
>> limitation of Xaos.
>
> I haven't tried Xaos myself, but I see that it's licensed under the GPL.
> Couldn't you just start with the Xaos source code and put in the
> functionality you speak of?
I don't actually know, but I suspect Xaos is written in C.
> Oh wait, I guess you're doing your tool in Haskel...
How did you guess? ;-)
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Rune <aut### [at] runevisioncom> wrote:
> I haven't tried Xaos myself, but I see that it's licensed under the GPL.
> Couldn't you just start with the Xaos source code and put in the
> functionality you speak of?
He hates C.
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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> OK, click this link:
>
> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid/product/158520257973322698
>
> Now tell me which month is *your* favourit one. (I know what my answer
> is, but I'm curios to see what other people think...)
>
> --
> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
I like February the best. It contains interesting structures at several levels
of scale. Also, I find the color pallet subtle and pleasing.
I understand wanting to create your own Mandelbrot tool whether you "beat" Xaos
or not. I hold firmly to the position that working with numbers for the sheer
fun of doing it is a perfectly sane and reasonable thing to do - and eight of
the ten "voices" agree with me.
Best Regards,
Mike C. et al
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Warp wrote:
> He hates C.
So do you, IIRC. ;-)
Regardless, I'm sure you'll agree that writing a thing yourself is often
much easier than trying to understand a large and complicated existing
codebase. (Especially if what you're trying to make works in a markedly
different way.) Mandelbrot generators are not exactly complex
contraptions...
--
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Mike the Elder wrote:
> I like February the best. It contains interesting structures at several levels
> of scale. Also, I find the color pallet subtle and pleasing.
Ah yes, the "icecream spiral". (So-called because its colours remind me
of various flavours of icecream. Yellow = vanilla, red = strawberry,
green = peppermint, blue = OMG, I'm going mad!) Also looks good on a
T-shirt.
<advert> Also, the image is rendered at 48 megapixels, so even if you
buy a poster that's 6 *feet* wide, it'll still print every tiny detail
at full 100dpi resolution. ;-) </advert> If I ever make enough sales,
maybe I can buy one of my posters to put on... a wall. LOL!
> I understand wanting to create your own Mandelbrot tool whether you "beat" Xaos
> or not. I hold firmly to the position that working with numbers for the sheer
> fun of doing it is a perfectly sane and reasonable thing to do - and eight of
> the ten "voices" agree with me.
Ooo, you're hearing voices too? :-)
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Thibaut Jonckheere wrote:
> I like the back cover.
Ah, yes. The sharp spikey bits are due to the exponential behaviour of
the trigonometric sine function along the imaginary axis.
^ GEEK.
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Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:
> I think mine is October.
An excellent choice, sir. IMHO, the strong orange and yellow colours
really set off the whole thing.
[Sadly, I tried printing a T-shirt at home, and the orange came out as a
pale pink. (??!) It wasn't the same at all...]
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Kyle wrote:
> May.
Interesting. This is one of the images I thought about not bothering to
post because it's "not that good". And it turns out to be somebody's
faviourit of the bunch. Just goes to show ya... something...
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nemesis wrote:
> sweet bizarre and colorful fractals...
True story: I printed a couple of T-shirts [at home, not through Zazzle]
and recently gave them to my grandma. (!!) So now she's walking around
with psychadelic fractals all over her. :-D
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Chambers wrote:
> The front cover.
Mmm, Purple Weed. A standard Mandelbrot zoom. Multiple levels of Julia
detail yielding an amorphus, weed-like structure.
> I'm guessing that your favorite is either the front cover (that's why
> it's on the front), or the month of your birthday (that's why you put it
> there).
That one is the cover because there's no "focus point" anywhere - it's a
background pattern, so you can clip it and crop it and drop text over it
and it still looks cool.
When I designed the calendar, I basically just went through my image
collection and picked out all the best ones, not giving any particular
attention to ordering. (Altough I did slightly group similar shapes
together and try to pick contrasting colours for adjacent months.)
As it happens, March - Tatto #2 - does in fact turn out to be one of my
favourits. I can't begin to tell you how excellent this looks on a black
T-shirt...
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Invisible a écrit :
> Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:
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>> I think mine is October.
>
> An excellent choice, sir. IMHO, the strong orange and yellow colours
> really set off the whole thing.
>
> [Sadly, I tried printing a T-shirt at home, and the orange came out as a
> pale pink. (??!) It wasn't the same at all...]
>
Yep, I think the colors are the big reason of my choice.
--
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And lo on Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:00:07 -0000, Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull>
did spake, saying:
> OK, click this link:
>
> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid/product/158520257973322698
>
> Now tell me which month is *your* favourit one. (I know what my answer
> is, but I'm curios to see what other people think...)
July, Feb, Back; in that order. Actually I could do with a calendar and...
how much?! Can you at least specify UK holidays and events?
--
Phil Cook
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I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> OK, click this link:
>
> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid/product/158520257973322698
>
> Now tell me which month is *your* favourit one. (I know what my answer
> is, but I'm curios to see what other people think...)
>
There are probably people around here who are so familiar with the
Mandelbrot set that they could find the center point and scale of many
of these images in two or three test renders, just from viewing the image.
Regards,
John
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John VanSickle wrote:
> There are probably people around here who are so familiar with the
> Mandelbrot set that they could find the center point and scale of many
> of these images in two or three test renders, just from viewing the image.
So not you then? ;-) [Since you failed to notice that one or two aren't
even from the normal quadratic Mandelbrot set...]
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Phil Cook wrote:
> July, Feb, Back; in that order.
Interesting. July is another one of the images I don't rate so highly
myself. But apparently quite a few people like that one...
> Actually I could do with a calendar
> and... how much?! Can you at least specify UK holidays and events?
Wait until you add postage. >:-)
And, er, no. Apparently you can have US holidays or nothing... shame.
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Mandelbrot generators are not exactly complex contraptions...
No, but *fast* ones are.
It's like raytracing: Creating a simple raytracer is very easy (I have
done that with POV-Ray's own SDL). However, making a *fast* raytracer is
very, very complicated.
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And lo on Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:29:55 -0000, Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull>
did spake, saying:
> Phil Cook wrote:
>
>> July, Feb, Back; in that order.
>
> Interesting. July is another one of the images I don't rate so highly
> myself. But apparently quite a few people like that one...
Call me a sucker for purple/blue pastel shades. I thought the back cover
would make a nice fabric cover.
>> Actually I could do with a calendar and... how much?! Can you at least
>> specify UK holidays and events?
>
> Wait until you add postage. >:-)
>
> And, er, no. Apparently you can have US holidays or nothing... shame.
They really need to open a European branch, it's not as if they'd have to
send anything physically over to do the printing.
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> Call me a sucker for purple/blue pastel shades. I thought the back cover
> would make a nice fabric cover.
I'll tell you what, it makes a great T-shirt. ;-)
>> Wait until you add postage. >:-)
>
> They really need to open a European branch
+10
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> John VanSickle wrote:
>
>> There are probably people around here who are so familiar with the
>> Mandelbrot set that they could find the center point and scale of many
>> of these images in two or three test renders, just from viewing the
>> image.
>
> So not you then? ;-) [Since you failed to notice that one or two aren't
> even from the normal quadratic Mandelbrot set...]
I only looked at the first image; it looks a lot like some areas just
off one of the bigger discs that touch the main cardioid.
Regards,
John
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>> So not you then? ;-) [Since you failed to notice that one or two
>> aren't even from the normal quadratic Mandelbrot set...]
>
> I only looked at the first image;
Ah, that one *is* a normal quadratic M set zoom.
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By the way... I have this calendar on my desk at work. I can't *believe*
nobody has commented on it yet. I mean, just *look* at January. It's a
freakin' psychopathic rainbow spiral! Surely that's worth a raised
eyebrow at least??
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> By the way... I have this calendar on my desk at work. I can't *believe*
> nobody has commented on it yet. I mean, just *look* at January. It's a
> freakin' psychopathic rainbow spiral! Surely that's worth a raised
> eyebrow at least??
If everyone knows you are a nerd then everyone expects you to have
nerdy things in your desk and nothing comes as a surprise. ;)
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Warp wrote:
> If everyone knows you are a nerd then everyone expects you to have
> nerdy things in your desk and nothing comes as a surprise. ;)
Heh. I guess you're right...
Apparently normal people don't find brightly coloured shiny things as
interesting as I do. :-(
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