I used to use Notepad to write everything. As some of you might know, 
Notepad sucks.

Then I started using SciTE to write everything. It's available on 
Windoze and Linux, and works quite nicely. Only real program is that 
it's a nightmare to configure it properly. You have to edit a 400-line 
configuration file, and most of the options are quite poorly documented.

Does anybody have a better suggestion for text editors that work on Windoze?

NB. "Emacs" is an operating system, not a text editor. :-P

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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Does anybody have a better suggestion for text editors that work on Windoze?

vim. :)

oh, if you thought SciTe had too many textual configurations... :P

you could try one of the Windows specifics:  notepad++, textpad etc...

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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

Non-responsive answer: Kate  (KDE text editor), a linux app, works wonderfully--
if your file ends in .pov it even does the color coding for you in the way that
WinPov does!

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"Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote

> Does anybody have a better suggestion for text editors that work on
Windoze?

UltraEdit

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"Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> I used to use Notepad to write everything. As some of you might know,
> Notepad sucks.

Notepad is not a text editor. It's a waste of disk space.

UltraEdit (Not free)
Notepad++ (Free)

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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> I used to use Notepad to write everything. As some of you might know,
> Notepad sucks.

It can suck? I tought it's *totally* useless :O

> Does anybody have a better suggestion for text editors that work on
> Windoze?

http://www.winvi.de/en/download.html

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I use gVim on Windows.

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Gail Shaw wrote:
> "Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
> news:477908f6$1@news.povray.org...
>> I used to use Notepad to write everything. As some of you might know,
>> Notepad sucks.
> 
> Notepad is not a text editor. It's a waste of disk space.

I dunno, I used it a lot before running into issues with linux-style 
cr/lfs that put webpages and such onto one line.

Now I use Wordpad for most things, and Notepad2 when I want line numbers 
and colour-coded syntax.

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gregjohn wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> 
> Non-responsive answer: Kate  (KDE text editor), a linux app, works wonderfully--
> if your file ends in .pov it even does the color coding for you in the way that
> WinPov does!

It's what I tend to use on Linux, and it seems to work moderately well. 
(Certainly far better than that Notepad joke.) It even seems to [badly] 
colour code Haskell source code, which is interesting.

I bet you can't run that on Windoze though...

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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>> I used to use Notepad to write everything. As some of you might know,
>> Notepad sucks.
> 
> It can suck? I tought it's *totally* useless :O

"The only time Micro$oft will make something that doesn't suck, they'll 
be making vacuum cleaners."

(BTW, I keep waiting for Apple to make a vacuum cleaner. They could call 
it "iSuck"...)

>> Does anybody have a better suggestion for text editors that work on
>> Windoze?
> 
> http://www.winvi.de/en/download.html

Vi? :-S

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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> gregjohn wrote:
> > Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >
> > Non-responsive answer: Kate  (KDE text editor), a linux app, works wonderfully--
> > if your file ends in .pov it even does the color coding for you in the way that
> > WinPov does!
>
> It's what I tend to use on Linux, and it seems to work moderately well.
> (Certainly far better than that Notepad joke.) It even seems to [badly]
> colour code Haskell source code, which is interesting.
>
> I bet you can't run that on Windoze though...

you can.  then, you just need the whole KDE bang for that matter... :)

it's like java where every tiny app requires you to download and install a
redundant OS on top of yours native...

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> "The only time Micro$oft will make something that doesn't suck, they'll
> be making vacuum cleaners."

Some very fun games have come out of MS Game studios over the years.
Freelancer, Age of Empires.
I'm also going to defend their database server, for obvious reasons

> (BTW, I keep waiting for Apple to make a vacuum cleaner. They could call
> it "iSuck"...)

I find Apple's naming very funny. Putting an 'i' infront of a noun makes it
sound Zulu me.

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"Gail Shaw" <initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote:
> Some very fun games have come out of MS Game studios over the years.
> Freelancer, Age of Empires.

of course you know MS Game Studios is nothing but a bunch of top 3rd party
developers bought/assimilated by MS in typical monopolist practice, don't you?
I myself am very fond of Rareware...

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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> 
> "The only time Micro$oft will make something that doesn't suck, they'll
> be making vacuum cleaners."

If it sucks, it also blows. If it sucks and blows, it can be used either
as a vacuum cleaner or a fan :P.

> (BTW, I keep waiting for Apple to make a vacuum cleaner. They could call
> it "iSuck"...)

Hmm... Not bad :D.

>> http://www.winvi.de/en/download.html
> 
> Vi? :-S

Yes, but with graphical menus. It's easy to use for even entry-level
user (easier than notepad, since WinVI won't broke charsets etc) and
still has most of Vim's power for advanced user (regexps etc).
Seriously, it's lightweight, easy and good.

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"Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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>I used to use Notepad to write everything. As some of you might know, 
>Notepad sucks.
>
> Then I started using SciTE to write everything. It's available on Windoze 
> and Linux, and works quite nicely. Only real program is that it's a 
> nightmare to configure it properly. You have to edit a 400-line 
> configuration file, and most of the options are quite poorly documented.
>
> Does anybody have a better suggestion for text editors that work on 
> Windoze?
>
> NB. "Emacs" is an operating system, not a text editor. :-P
>

Emacs.

it's not an operating system.

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nemesis wrote:
> of course you know MS Game Studios is nothing but a bunch of top 3rd party
> developers bought/assimilated by MS in typical monopolist practice, don't you?

That's how most big companies work.

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>> I bet you can't run that on Windoze though...
> 
> you can.  then, you just need the whole KDE bang for that matter... :)

I'd be surprised if you can run KDE on Windoze. [Although not *that* 
surprised...]

> it's like java where every tiny app requires you to download and install a
> redundant OS on top of yours native...

LOL! Something like that. (Ever tried .NET?)

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nemesis wrote:
> you can.  then, you just need the whole KDE bang for that matter... :)
> 
> it's like java where every tiny app requires you to download and install a
> redundant OS on top of yours native...

	On Gentoo, they have split packages for each KDE app. You still need
kdelibs, but you no longer have to install all of KDE Network to get one
network app.

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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Does anybody have a better suggestion for text editors that work on
> Windoze?

I've been trying out Programmers Notepad 2. It works well enough for C
and generic text, but I haven't tried out all the other options in it.

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Eero Ahonen a écrit :
>>> http://www.winvi.de/en/download.html
>> Vi? :-S
> 
> Yes, but with graphical menus. It's easy to use for even entry-level
> user (easier than notepad, since WinVI won't broke charsets etc) and
> still has most of Vim's power for advanced user (regexps etc).
> Seriously, it's lightweight, easy and good.
> 

I currently use Cream, which is also based on Vim but more accessible. 
It is available on Linux and Windows:
http://cream.sourceforge.net/home.html

I was using SciTE as well, but I ran into some problems so I switched... 
The thing is I don't remember what the problems were :-\

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Vincent Le Chevalier escribió:
> I currently use Cream, which is also based on Vim but more accessible. 
> It is available on Linux and Windows:
> http://cream.sourceforge.net/home.html

I thought Cream was just Vim with every single feature turned on and 
then some.

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> I thought Cream was just Vim with every single feature turned on and 
> then some.

...Vim has *features*??

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Orchid XP v7 a écrit :
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> 
>> I thought Cream was just Vim with every single feature turned on and 
>> then some.
> 
> ...Vim has *features*??
> 

So it would seem ;-)

Frankly I don't know enough about Vim to say more about features. Cream 
is just easier for me to use than gVim. It is not modal, for a start :-)

Andrew, what prejudices have you got exactly against Vim?

For a short period, I also tried Crimson Editor and ConText, but gave 
them up due to various issues of configuration:

http://www.context.cx/
http://www.crimsoneditor.com/

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Orchid XP v7 escribió:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> 
>> I thought Cream was just Vim with every single feature turned on and 
>> then some.
> 
> ...Vim has *features*??
> 

I have used it for over a year and I keep finding features I didn't know 
about.

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> I have used it for over a year and I keep finding features I didn't know
> about.

Same, but make it 3 years. After 2 months of "have-to-use" Vi'ing (there
 wasn't another text editor in certain systems) I stopped using Nano,
since Vi is some much more practical.

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Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:

> Andrew, what prejudices have you got exactly against Vim?

Oh, Vim is an OK text editor. It's just not that fantastic...

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Orchid XP v7 a écrit :
> Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:
> 
>> Andrew, what prejudices have you got exactly against Vim?
> 
> Oh, Vim is an OK text editor. It's just not that fantastic...
> 

Well yes, it's not an operating system ;-)

I don't know, what feature(s) do you miss?

I'm fairly certain I'm using Vim at a fraction of its capacity, so I 
don't feel any incentive to move, personally...

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Vincent Le Chevalier <gal### [at] libertyALLsurfSPAMfr> wrote:
> Cream
> is just easier for me to use than gVim. It is not modal, for a start :-)

which probably means you're using it just like notepad on steroids.

There's nothing faster nor easier for text editing than vi's modal nature.
Nothing can beat "." for repeating the last command nor is copying a whole,
possibly longish, block of text done with such ease as just typing "y}"

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Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:
>> Oh, Vim is an OK text editor. It's just not that fantastic...
> Well yes, it's not an operating system ;-)

It's more unixy than emacs, using shell call-outs to do stuff instead of 
reimplementing every filter and program as an editor macro. :-)

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nemesis a écrit :
> Vincent Le Chevalier <gal### [at] libertyALLsurfSPAMfr> wrote:
>> Cream
>> is just easier for me to use than gVim. It is not modal, for a start :-)
> 
> which probably means you're using it just like notepad on steroids.
> 

Exactly. And this is plenty enough for my needs...

> There's nothing faster nor easier for text editing than vi's modal nature.
> Nothing can beat "." for repeating the last command nor is copying a whole,
> possibly longish, block of text done with such ease as just typing "y}"
> 

It's only faster or easier when you are used to it. Call me dumb but 
when using vanilla Vim I find myself pressing Esc too much and 
forgetting to press 'i' way too often :-)

Having some of the power of Vim with an interface more similar to other 
common editors is valuable IMHO.

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>> Oh, Vim is an OK text editor. It's just not that fantastic...
> 
> Well yes, it's not an operating system ;-)
> 
> I don't know, what feature(s) do you miss?
> 
> I'm fairly certain I'm using Vim at a fraction of its capacity, so I 
> don't feel any incentive to move, personally...

Well, you know, it's a text-mode editor. I guess by definition that 
places rather strong limits on what useful things it can do. For example,

- You can't click on where you want the cursor to move to. You must 
manually move the cursor around using several million arrow key presses.

- You can't cut and paste blocks of text.

- You can't change the display to fit more than 80 characters on the screen.

- You can't have multiple files open at once. (Well, unless you count 
using virtual terminals.)

- You can't realistically do syntax hilighting. (Well, again, I suppose 
theoretically you could - but with only 8 colours available, how good is 
that going to look?)

It's not that Vim is a bad product - I'm not sure how any possible 
text-mode program could possibly overcome these limitations. They seem 
to be inherant in the description "text-mode program" rather than 
specific to Vim itself...

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Invisible a écrit :
> 
> It's not that Vim is a bad product - I'm not sure how any possible 
> text-mode program could possibly overcome these limitations. They seem 
> to be inherant in the description "text-mode program" rather than 
> specific to Vim itself...
> 

But all of these flaws are fixed in GUI versions of Vim, including Cream 
and probably WinVi.

As for syntax highlighting, maybe try to type :syntax on in a text-mode 
Vim and see for yourself if it works... Though I still prefer it in the 
GUIs.

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Invisible escribió:
> - You can't click on where you want the cursor to move to. You must 
> manually move the cursor around using several million arrow key presses.

I can use the mouse even on the text-mode vim over a remote ssh connection.

> - You can't cut and paste blocks of text.

Of course you can. It's just called 'yank' and doesn't use the system 
clipboard by default. You can also use the mouse to select the block 
before copying. On Windows you can use Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V for consistency.

> - You can't change the display to fit more than 80 characters on the 
> screen.

Yes you can. On the GUI, you resize the window. On text-mode on an 
decent console, you resize the window (that includes a putty window 
connected to a remote copmuter). On text-mode on Windows command prompt, 
you can't resize it (that's a Windows flaw), but you can change the 
column count manually with :set columns=100; I just tried it and it 
works on Windoze too. Who would use text-mode on Windows anyway?

> - You can't have multiple files open at once. (Well, unless you count 
> using virtual terminals.)

Vim can split the window, and show different files on each. It also has 
tabs on the GUI version; but I never tried that on text-mode. Split 
windows definitely works (and if your console supports mouse, you can 
resize the split by dragging too).

> - You can't realistically do syntax hilighting. (Well, again, I suppose 
> theoretically you could - but with only 8 colours available, how good is 
> that going to look?)

Consoles have 16 colors usually, not 8. Some Unix consoles support 4096. 
Vim can use all 16 million colors on the GUI, but do you *really* need 
them? Probably not. The default color schemes would be happy on 8-bit color.

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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Well, you know, it's a text-mode editor. I guess by definition that
> places rather strong limits on what useful things it can do.

yes, I guess working on streams of bytes also "places rather strong limits on
what useful things" a computer it can do...

> - You can't click on where you want the cursor to move to. You must
> manually move the cursor around using several million arrow key presses.

really?  This is not true as of this age and even if it was true, believe me:
arrow keys are evil.  Use "{" or "}" to jump between paragraphs and other
blocks of text, "50G" to go to line 50, "(" or ")" to jump between sentences
and when you want to go back to previous stops, "CTRL+O" goes back through the
location stack...

> - You can't cut and paste blocks of text.

you're insane:  "3y}" copies the 3 long blocks of text below without even
thinking about it.  "p" places it just before the cursor.  If you want the
notepad graphical way, gVim and others do it just fine and still let you work
the more productive modal way.

> - You can't change the display to fit more than 80 characters on the screen.

gVim lets you even change the font!  I use gVim on Windows or else I'd hang
myself on the office...

> - You can't have multiple files open at once. (Well, unless you count
> using virtual terminals.)

Vim has had multiple buffers and even sessions for ages now.  I'm sure you're
using just limited ol' vi in some ancient Unix...

> - You can't realistically do syntax hilighting. (Well, again, I suppose
> theoretically you could - but with only 8 colours available, how good is
> that going to look?)

pretty friggin' good.  Try :syntax enable and :colorscheme koehler

I do povray stuff in it and pov SDL syntax highlighting is not usually found or
integrated into most text editors...

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Vincent Le Chevalier <gal### [at] libertyALLsurfSPAMfr> wrote:
> Invisible a écrit :
> But all of these flaws are fixed in GUI versions of Vim

modal text-editing using keyboard only is far from being a flaw:  I call it
productive.

> As for syntax highlighting, maybe try to type :syntax on in a text-mode
> Vim and see for yourself if it works... Though I still prefer it in the
> GUIs.

I don't think you understand:  typing :syntax enable or disable also works on
the graphical versions, at least on gVim.

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nemesis wrote:

>> - You can't click on where you want the cursor to move to. You must
>> manually move the cursor around using several million arrow key presses.
> 
> really?  This is not true as of this age and even if it was true, believe me:
> arrow keys are evil.  Use "{" or "}" to jump between paragraphs and other
> blocks of text, "50G" to go to line 50, "(" or ")" to jump between sentences
> and when you want to go back to previous stops, "CTRL+O" goes back through the
> location stack...

None of these things quite compares to "I want to put the cursor *here*..."

[Although, finding like 138726 quickly might be useful if the compiler 
reported an error on line 138726.]

> you're insane:  "3y}"

...riiiiight. *I* am insane? ;-)

>> - You can't realistically do syntax hilighting. (Well, again, I suppose
>> theoretically you could - but with only 8 colours available, how good is
>> that going to look?)
> 
> pretty friggin' good.  Try :syntax enable and :colorscheme koehler
> 
> I do povray stuff in it and pov SDL syntax highlighting is not usually found or
> integrated into most text editors...

LOL. I'm loving that filename...

Doesn't much seem to resemble the little program I end up having to use 
when I'm trying to fix a broken Linux install where /etc/fstab is messed 
up or some such and I need to edit it. You certainly can't get more than 
80 characters on screen there - because the terminal window is only 80 
characters wide.

For sure you can run a text-mode program inside a terminal window. I 
didn't know somebody had actually put buttons on it by now though. Still 
doesn't look like much fun to actually use...

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

...in summary, a GUI version exists now.

>> - You can't realistically do syntax hilighting. (Well, again, I 
>> suppose theoretically you could - but with only 8 colours available, 
>> how good is that going to look?)
> 
> Consoles have 16 colors usually, not 8. Some Unix consoles support 4096. 
> Vim can use all 16 million colors on the GUI, but do you *really* need 
> them? Probably not. The default color schemes would be happy on 8-bit 
> color.

Really? That's interesting. I know that VGA gives you 16 colours, but I 
thought it was hard-wired so that you can only use 8 of those for the 
foreground, and the other 8 for the background?

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nemesis a écrit :
> Vincent Le Chevalier <gal### [at] libertyALLsurfSPAMfr> wrote:
>> Invisible a écrit :
>> But all of these flaws are fixed in GUI versions of Vim
> 
> modal text-editing using keyboard only is far from being a flaw:  I call it
> productive.

I wasn't talking about modal text-editing but of the flaws of Vim *as 
perceived by Andrew*. He did not seem aware of GUI versions that solve 
most of his gripes by default; I never said there were no way to do that 
in text-mode.

>> As for syntax highlighting, maybe try to type :syntax on in a text-mode
>> Vim and see for yourself if it works... Though I still prefer it in the
>> GUIs.
> 
> I don't think you understand:  typing :syntax enable or disable also works on
> the graphical versions, at least on gVim.
> 

Have I said somewhere that it doesn't? I think you misunderstood my 
post. What I meant to say was that syntax highlighting does work even 
with the relatively limited number of colors available in text-mode, but 
that I prefer the colors that can be defined in graphical versions.

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Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:
> Invisible a écrit :
>>
>> It's not that Vim is a bad product - I'm not sure how any possible 
>> text-mode program could possibly overcome these limitations. They seem 
>> to be inherant in the description "text-mode program" rather than 
>> specific to Vim itself...
>>
> 
> But all of these flaws are fixed in GUI versions of Vim, including Cream 
> and probably WinVi.

OK. Well if I get time, maybe I'll try it...

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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> None of these things quite compares to "I want to put the cursor *here*..."

you can just click there.  or type /word or ?word (reverse) and use "n" (next)
until you reach precisely where you want.

> > you're insane:  "3y}"
>
> ...riiiiight. *I* am insane? ;-)

Every software has its quirks.  Read that as "Yank 3 blocks", "}" used because
of its widespread use in computer programming as a block terminator.  Now, I
understand "CTRL+C" as copy, because of C, but why Paste uses "v"?!  quirks...

> Doesn't much seem to resemble the little program I end up having to use
> when I'm trying to fix a broken Linux install where /etc/fstab is messed
> up or some such and I need to edit it.

well, that's an unusual situation, don't you agree?  In there, everything is
limited, and it's just you, the kernel, a basic shell and good ol' basic vi...

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nemesis wrote:

>>> you're insane:  "3y}"
>> ...riiiiight. *I* am insane? ;-)
> 
> Every software has its quirks.  Read that as "Yank 3 blocks", "}" used because
> of its widespread use in computer programming as a block terminator.  Now, I
> understand "CTRL+C" as copy, because of C, but why Paste uses "v"?!  quirks...

I can only imagine that it's Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V and Ctrl+X because they're 
all right next to each other on a standard keyboard. But yeah, that's 
pretty random. (Not to mention Ctrl+Z... I guess Ctrl+U is pretty hard 
to type.)

>> Doesn't much seem to resemble the little program I end up having to use
>> when I'm trying to fix a broken Linux install where /etc/fstab is messed
>> up or some such and I need to edit it.
> 
> well, that's an unusual situation, don't you agree?  In there, everything is
> limited, and it's just you, the kernel, a basic shell and good ol' basic vi...

If I knew more about not breaking Linux in the first place I might 
agree. :-}

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Invisible wrote:
> Doesn't much seem to resemble the little program I end up having to use
> when I'm trying to fix a broken Linux install where /etc/fstab is messed
> up or some such and I need to edit it. You certainly can't get more than
> 80 characters on screen there - because the terminal window is only 80
> characters wide.

Feel free to use framebuffer and shoot anything like 1920x1200 with 24
or 32-bit colors on the screen (or whatever resolution your monitor and
graphics controller support). It's even possible to choose the font ;).

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Eero "Aero" Ahonen
   http://www.zbxt.net
      aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid

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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> Doesn't much seem to resemble the little program I end up having to use
>> when I'm trying to fix a broken Linux install where /etc/fstab is messed
>> up or some such and I need to edit it. You certainly can't get more than
>> 80 characters on screen there - because the terminal window is only 80
>> characters wide.
> 
> Feel free to use framebuffer and shoot anything like 1920x1200 with 24
> or 32-bit colors on the screen (or whatever resolution your monitor and
> graphics controller support). It's even possible to choose the font ;).

Funny you should say that - on my PC at home, I usually have to disable 
framebuffer support on Linux live CDs to prevent the machine crashing...

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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*

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Eero Ahonen <aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote:
> Feel free to use framebuffer and shoot anything like 1920x1200 with 24
> or 32-bit colors on the screen

don't give him more ideas for crashing! ;)

let's be productive...

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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
...
> NB. "Emacs" is an operating system, not a text editor. :-P

"Emacs was originally a text editor, but it became a way of
life and a religion."

http://www.stallman.org/saint.html

-- 
Tor Olav
http://subcube.com

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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Eero Ahonen wrote:
> > Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> >> I used to use Notepad to write everything. As some of you might know,
> >> Notepad sucks.
> >
> > It can suck? I tought it's *totally* useless :O
>
> "The only time Micro$oft will make something that doesn't suck, they'll
> be making vacuum cleaners."
>
> (BTW, I keep waiting for Apple to make a vacuum cleaner. They could call
> it "iSuck"...)
>
> >> Does anybody have a better suggestion for text editors that work on
> >> Windoze?
> >
> > http://www.winvi.de/en/download.html
>
> Vi? :-S
>
> --
> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*



Orchid:
ROFL
ok stop its not that funny
ROFL (again)
ok stop its not that funny

I'll say wordpad for being a windoze victim, but clearly one of the better off
victims.

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nemesis wrote:
> and when you want to go back to previous stops, "CTRL+O" goes back through the
> location stack...

Oooo! Thank you! :-)

> Vim has had multiple buffers and even sessions for ages now.  I'm sure you're
> using just limited ol' vi in some ancient Unix...

One advantage of vi is that the simple stuff is the same everywhere. :-)

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     It's not feature creep if you put it
     at the end and adjust the release date.

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> > and when you want to go back to previous stops, "CTRL+O" goes back through the
> > location stack...
>
> Oooo! Thank you! :-)

lots of other handy goodies like that.  try :help

> > Vim has had multiple buffers and even sessions for ages now.  I'm sure you're
> > using just limited ol' vi in some ancient Unix...
>
> One advantage of vi is that the simple stuff is the same everywhere. :-)

one advantage of vim is that complex stuff is done the same with the same ease
everywhere too. :)

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nemesis wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> nemesis wrote:
>>> and when you want to go back to previous stops, "CTRL+O" goes back through the
>>> location stack...
>> Oooo! Thank you! :-)
> 
> lots of other handy goodies like that.  try :help

Well, yeah. But it's all hyperlinked, and huge. I need to find like a 
textbook that I can sit down and read, rather than data-mining in a 
(bad) UI for such things.

I use :help when I know what I'm looking for. I find it hard to use 
:help to learn features.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     It's not feature creep if you put it
     at the end and adjust the release date.

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Well, yeah. But it's all hyperlinked, and huge. I need to find like a
> textbook that I can sit down and read, rather than data-mining in a
> (bad) UI for such things.

I like hypertext.

> I use :help when I know what I'm looking for. I find it hard to use
> :help to learn features.

well, you know what they say:  RTFM... :P

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