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From: Leroy
Subject: Ice storms
Date: 12 Dec 2007 23:50:05
Message: <4760B9A4.6090604@joplin.com>
If you haven't heard. Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri and even a little of 
Arkansas got hit with a big ice storm. I just got my power back on after 
two days. I live in Missouri in the middle of the woods. You should have 
seen and heard all those trees limbs breaking. It was amazing!
  While surveying the fallen limbs around my house I thought that I 
heard someone coming down my drive way.(It's a quarter of a mile long) 
But no!
It was trees.
  Luckly we had only a few limbs hit the house. The chicken coop 
servived. None of the cars got damage. And we already had a electric 
genertor, just had to plug it in.


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From: Sherry Shaw
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 00:39:07
Message: <4760c57b@news.povray.org>
Leroy wrote:
> I live in Missouri in the middle of the woods.
> 

Whoa, so do I.  I'm east of Buffalo a ways--whereabouts are you?

Didn't get much ice where I live this time, though I did have a dog 
emergency one night.

About 4 am, heard the elderly chow/German shepherd/possible grizzly bear 
barking outside.  My house is on a steep hillside...deck across the 
front...steps down to a landing, patio *this* way, more steps *that* 
way...Anyway, the old dog was on the landing at the bottom of the steps, 
sprawled on his belly on the (wet, not-quite-melting) ice, one hind leg 
forward and one back, and absolutely couldn't move.  The more he 
struggled to get up, the more he slid toward a bad fall down the next 
steps down.

Couldn't stand up on the nasty stuff, had to crawl/scoot/slide to get to 
him and drag him away from the steps.  Then crawled back up, grabbed a 
blanket and a big towel--spread the blanket down the steps, got the 
towel under the dog's belly to lift him, got him started up the steps on 
the blanket...Did I mention that this dog weighs about 70 pounds and is 
quite grumpy?

Anyway, finally got him rescued and he doesn't seem to have suffered any 
ill effects.  But we're both REALLY REALLY REALLY tired of ice storms...

--Sherry "Mutt Whisperer" Shaw


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 04:19:47
Message: <op.t29n66vqc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Thu, 13 Dec 2007 04:48:36 -0000, Leroy <lrw### [at] joplincom> did  
spake, saying:

> If you haven't heard. Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri and even a little of  
> Arkansas got hit with a big ice storm. I just got my power back on after  
> two days. I live in Missouri in the middle of the woods. You should have  
> seen and heard all those trees limbs breaking. It was amazing!
>   While surveying the fallen limbs around my house I thought that I  
> heard someone coming down my drive way.(It's a quarter of a mile long)  
> But no!
> It was trees.
>   Luckly we had only a few limbs hit the house. The chicken coop  
> servived. None of the cars got damage. And we already had a electric  
> genertor, just had to plug it in.

And there I was going to complain about scraping a thin layer of ice of my  
windcreeen for the second night running.

I'm glad you're all alright.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 04:31:56
Message: <4760fc0c@news.povray.org>
"Leroy" <lrw### [at] joplincom> wrote in message
news:476### [at] joplincom...
>   While surveying the fallen limbs around my house I thought that I
> heard someone coming down my drive way.(It's a quarter of a mile long)
> But no!
> It was trees.

The trees are coming down your driveway?? ohoh...

*g*

It was the image that came to mind when I read that


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 05:42:15
Message: <47610c87$1@news.povray.org>
Gail Shaw wrote:
> "Leroy" <lrw### [at] joplincom> wrote in message
> news:476### [at] joplincom...
>>   While surveying the fallen limbs around my house I thought that I
>> heard someone coming down my drive way.(It's a quarter of a mile long)
>> But no!
>> It was trees.
> 
> The trees are coming down your driveway?? ohoh...
> 
> *g*
> 
> It was the image that came to mind when I read that

Sounds like the Ents are marching on Isengard...


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 05:50:21
Message: <47610e6d@news.povray.org>
Bill Pragnell wrote:

> Sounds like the Ents are marching on Isengard...

I was thinking Day of the Triffids...


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 05:51:32
Message: <47610eb4$1@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:

> And there I was going to complain about scraping a thin layer of ice of 
> my windcreeen for the second night running.

Mind you, I had to scrape ice off my car after parking it outside for 1 
hour. And after I scraped it, I watched the ice grow back before my eyes.

That's actually pretty cool... if it weren't for the fact that I'm 
freezing and I need to drive home.

(Pretty cool, eh? You see what I did there?)


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 06:13:33
Message: <op.t29tgtokc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:51:31 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>
>> And there I was going to complain about scraping a thin layer of ice of  
>> my windcreeen for the second night running.
>
> Mind you, I had to scrape ice off my car after parking it outside for 1  
> hour. And after I scraped it, I watched the ice grow back before my eyes.

Ditto. I scraped off the ice, squeegeed it off, got in the car and backed  
it around, then got out again to remove the new thinner layer of ice that  
had formed. The only annoyance I have with it is that you can't see it  
until you sit down in the car, switch the lights on and wonder if you're  
developing cataracts. At least this time I remembered where the scraper  
was.

> That's actually pretty cool... if it weren't for the fact that I'm  
> freezing and I need to drive home.
>
> (Pretty cool, eh? You see what I did there?)

Yeah yeah I'm very impressed ;-)

-- 
Phil Cook

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From: scott
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 06:38:00
Message: <47611998@news.povray.org>
> Ditto. I scraped off the ice, squeegeed it off, got in the car and backed 
> it around, then got out again to remove the new thinner layer of ice that 
> had formed. The only annoyance I have with it is that you can't see it 
> until you sit down in the car, switch the lights on and wonder if you're 
> developing cataracts. At least this time I remembered where the scraper 
> was.

Just pour hot water over the ice until it's all melted, then use the wipers 
to clear the excess liquid.  That will keep the glass warm and dry enough 
until you get things warmed up.  All cars are designed to survive thermal 
shock like this, if your windscreen cracks then it would have cracked anyway 
due to the next stone that hit it or whatever...


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 07:00:55
Message: <47611ef7$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:

> Just pour hot water over the ice until it's all melted, then use the 
> wipers to clear the excess liquid.  That will keep the glass warm and 
> dry enough until you get things warmed up.  All cars are designed to 
> survive thermal shock like this, if your windscreen cracks then it would 
> have cracked anyway due to the next stone that hit it or whatever...

Sorry, the school car park doesn't have any hot water. ;-)

Actually, last night while I was laying in bed, failing to be asleep, I 
wondered about something. Every time we have frost, government vehicles 
drive out and dump many billions of tonnes of salt onto the roads.

1. What the hell does that do to the cars?

2. Where does all this salt *go* to? Is this a problem?


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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 07:01:08
Message: <47611f04@news.povray.org>
"Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote in message
news:op.t29n66vqc3xi7v@news.povray.org...

> And there I was going to complain about scraping a thin layer of ice of my
> windcreeen for the second night running.

We've been getting hailstorms occationally for the last couple months. If
anyone wants that ice, they're welcome to it. My car's going for
panelbeating (again) next week

It's been an odd summer here. Not as hot as usual (I haven't needed to turn
the fan on at all) and with a lot more rain than normal. I haven't had to
water the plants on the balcony since September.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 07:04:57
Message: <47611fe9@news.povray.org>
Gail Shaw wrote:

> We've been getting hailstorms occationally for the last couple months. If
> anyone wants that ice, they're welcome to it. My car's going for
> panelbeating (again) next week

Panel...beating...



._.




Where there any fatalities?


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 07:08:32
Message: <0382m35p8hsvqvdm66b00e8sgi5raeeotn@4ax.com>
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:00:56 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>Actually, last night while I was laying in bed, failing to be asleep, I 
>wondered about something. Every time we have frost, government vehicles 
>drive out and dump many billions of tonnes of salt onto the roads.
>
>1. What the hell does that do to the cars?


It rusts them. That is one of the reasons that there is a higher proportion of
old cars in the South of the country as there is less need to salt the roads.

>2. Where does all this salt *go* to? Is this a problem?

Down the drains and it's not a problem if you don't lick the roads.

Regards
	Stephen


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From: M a r c
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 07:28:24
Message: <47612568@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
47611ef7$1@news.povray.org...
> Sorry, the school car park doesn't have any hot water. ;-)

You are the owner of half a pint liquid @ 37°C.
The trick is to hose it up to the windsreen.


Marc


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 07:34:55
Message: <476126ef$1@news.povray.org>
M_a_r_c wrote:
> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
> 47611ef7$1@news.povray.org...
>> Sorry, the school car park doesn't have any hot water. ;-)
> 
> You are the owner of half a pint liquid @ 37°C.
> The trick is to hose it up to the windsreen.

GAAAAH! >_< *gouches out eyes*


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 07:57:06
Message: <op.t29x9bc6c3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:37:59 -0000, scott <sco### [at] laptopcom> did  
spake, saying:

>> Ditto. I scraped off the ice, squeegeed it off, got in the car and  
>> backed it around, then got out again to remove the new thinner layer of  
>> ice that had formed. The only annoyance I have with it is that you  
>> can't see it until you sit down in the car, switch the lights on and  
>> wonder if you're developing cataracts. At least this time I remembered  
>> where the scraper was.
>
> Just pour hot water over the ice until it's all melted, then use the  
> wipers to clear the excess liquid.  That will keep the glass warm and  
> dry enough until you get things warmed up.  All cars are designed to  
> survive thermal shock like this, if your windscreen cracks then it would  
> have cracked anyway due to the next stone that hit it or whatever...

Ignoring Marc's suggestion I'll repeat Andy's problem - locating hot water.

-- 
Phil Cook

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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 08:13:48
Message: <4761300c@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:47611fe9@news.povray.org...

>
>
> Where there any fatalities?

??
From a hail storm? Unless some people were stupid enough to be running
around in the hail, I doubt it.
Largest stones I saw were about the size of a ping-pong ball.

Actually, I think one guy did get killed by the storm. A tree fell on his
car.

Insurance loves me. Second time in three years. The stupid question the
claims person asked me.
"Why wasn't the car under cover at the time of the storm?"
"Um, because I was driving up the M1 highway."


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 08:19:28
Message: <47613160@news.povray.org>
Gail Shaw wrote:
> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
> news:47611fe9@news.povray.org...
> 
>>
>> Where there any fatalities?
> 
> ??
> From a hail storm?

If it can dent plate steel, surely it can do something bad to the flimsy 
layer of bone between your hat and your brain.

> Unless some people were stupid enough to be running
> around in the hail, I doubt it.

Ooo, a country that doesn't have stupid people...

> Largest stones I saw were about the size of a ping-pong ball.

I'd hate to think what the terminal velocity of those must be! (What do 
you recon? 81 characters per second?)

> Actually, I think one guy did get killed by the storm. A tree fell on his
> car.

Ouch!

> Insurance loves me. Second time in three years. The stupid question the
> claims person asked me.
> "Why wasn't the car under cover at the time of the storm?"
> "Um, because I was driving up the M1 highway."

Presumably they just quaduple your premium and rake in the cash?

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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 09:29:24
Message: <476141c4@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:47613160@news.povray.org...

> If it can dent plate steel, surely it can do something bad to the flimsy
> layer of bone between your hat and your brain.

Oh sure, if you get a direct strike. Your head's much smaller than a car
though, and the bodywork of a car's not that thick

> > Unless some people were stupid enough to be running
> > around in the hail, I doubt it.
>
> Ooo, a country that doesn't have stupid people...

Oh, we have, lots. Take a look at out politicians
The area's prone to hail storms. I think even the stupidest person's going
to seek some form of shelter if there are large chunks of ice falling from
the sky

> > Largest stones I saw were about the size of a ping-pong ball.
>
> I'd hate to think what the terminal velocity of those must be! (What do
> you recon? 81 characters per second?)

Dunno. Enough to leave a 5mm deep dent in the roof of my car, to smash
assorted windows and to strip leaves from plants.

We've had worse storms. There was one 2 and a half years ago that had some
stones the size of a baseball. The damage that caused was unbelievable. A
friend came home next morning to find several holes in the plastic roof of
her patio


> Presumably they just quaduple your premium and rake in the cash?
>

Nah. If the car had been parked in the open they may have refused my claim
(cause the car's supposed to be kept under cover), but last time I checked,
highways didn't have roofs


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 10:12:35
Message: <47614be3$1@news.povray.org>
>> If it can dent plate steel, surely it can do something bad to the flimsy
>> layer of bone between your hat and your brain.
>
> Oh sure, if you get a direct strike. Your head's much smaller than a car
> though, and the bodywork of a car's not that thick

Yeh exactly, I can probably dent a car just by pressing on it with my thumb 
quite hard.  I'm pretty sure I couldn't kill someone by pressing on their 
head with my thumb...

> We've had worse storms. There was one 2 and a half years ago that had some
> stones the size of a baseball. The damage that caused was unbelievable. A
> friend came home next morning to find several holes in the plastic roof of
> her patio

This is what we had in July last year...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWQh_KHZtTo

Seeing ice on the roads in July (when it's usually 30 degrees) was a bit 
weird...

Luckily I was in a hotel at the time and only caught the edge of it.  My 
friend lost his PC though because he kept it on a desk under a skylight that 
got smashed...


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From: Jeremy M  Praay
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 10:23:18
Message: <47614e66$1@news.povray.org>
"Leroy" <lrw### [at] joplincom> wrote in message 
news:476### [at] joplincom...
> If you haven't heard. Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri and even a little of 
> Arkansas got hit with a big ice storm. I just got my power back on after 
> two days. I live in Missouri in the middle of the woods. You should have 
> seen and heard all those trees limbs breaking. It was amazing!

We got lucky, and ended up with temps right at the freezing point, so the 
ice generally disappeared by the afternoon.

Sometimes I'm glad we don't have any trees to speak of.


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From: Dan Byers
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 10:25:00
Message: <web.47614dd780fc1f27a8d0b25a0@news.povray.org>
All that fun stuff went just south of us (Omaha).  We got a nice quarter-inch
glazing and about 4 inches of snow on top of it.  No fun to drive in, but I got
the day off, so it had some benefits :)  Supposed to be mid-30s here today, so
some of it should melt (then refreeze overnight... stupid winter!)...

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 10:27:57
Message: <47614f7d$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>>> If it can dent plate steel, surely it can do something bad to the flimsy
>>> layer of bone between your hat and your brain.
>>
>> Oh sure, if you get a direct strike. Your head's much smaller than a car
>> though, and the bodywork of a car's not that thick
> 
> Yeh exactly, I can probably dent a car just by pressing on it with my 
> thumb quite hard.  I'm pretty sure I couldn't kill someone by pressing 
> on their head with my thumb...

?

I thought a car was supposed to withstand a 120 MPH collision and not 
deform too much... My head certainly would deform a tad!

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 10:41:03
Message: <akk2m3pqc186koml84ik6n5r8n8b1qj91m@4ax.com>
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:27:57 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>scott wrote:
>>>> If it can dent plate steel, surely it can do something bad to the flimsy
>>>> layer of bone between your hat and your brain.
>>>
>>> Oh sure, if you get a direct strike. Your head's much smaller than a car
>>> though, and the bodywork of a car's not that thick
>> 
>> Yeh exactly, I can probably dent a car just by pressing on it with my 
>> thumb quite hard.  I'm pretty sure I couldn't kill someone by pressing 
>> on their head with my thumb...
>
>?
>
>I thought a car was supposed to withstand a 120 MPH collision and not 
>deform too much... My head certainly would deform a tad!

Cars are designed to deform absorbing the impact. And if Scott knew where to
press on someone's head with his thumb. He might be able to do a lot of damage.

Regards
	Stephen


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 10:56:44
Message: <4761563c$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> I thought a car was supposed to withstand a 120 MPH collision and not 
> deform too much... My head certainly would deform a tad!

No, it's supposed to deform so much you can't recognise it.

Ever see an Indy 500 crash? The car turns into about 3000 parts, all 
taking away energy so the driver doesn't get hurt.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     It's not feature creep if you put it
     at the end and adjust the release date.


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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 11:01:43
Message: <47615767@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:47614f7d$1@news.povray.org...

>
> I thought a car was supposed to withstand a 120 MPH collision and not
> deform too much...

Not at all. Cars are designed to crumple in accidents, the more the better.

If a car didn't deform at all, then the entire force of the collision would
be applied to the occupants. It would be like hitting the ground at 120
km/hour. It's unlikely you'd survive.

Modern cars are built with crumple zones, so that in an accident portions of
the car (not where the occupants would be sitting) crumple, absorbing some
of the energy of impact, and reducing the effect of the collision on the
occupant.

The crumple reduces the magnitude of the deceleration by stretching out the
time from impact to the time when the vehicle is stationary. A longer
deceleration of lower magnitude means less injury.


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From: Leroy
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 11:25:43
Message: <47615CAD.70308@joplin.com>
Sherry Shaw wrote:
> Leroy wrote:
> 
>> I live in Missouri in the middle of the woods.
>>
> 
> Whoa, so do I.  I'm east of Buffalo a ways--whereabouts are you?
> 

I live outsde Joplin near Kansas and I44.


> Didn't get much ice where I live this time, though I did have a dog 
> emergency one night.
> 
> About 4 am, heard the elderly chow/German shepherd/possible grizzly bear 
> barking outside.  My house is on a steep hillside...deck across the 
> front...steps down to a landing, patio *this* way, more steps *that* 
> way...Anyway, the old dog was on the landing at the bottom of the steps, 
> sprawled on his belly on the (wet, not-quite-melting) ice, one hind leg 
> forward and one back, and absolutely couldn't move.  The more he 
> struggled to get up, the more he slid toward a bad fall down the next 
> steps down.
> 
> Couldn't stand up on the nasty stuff, had to crawl/scoot/slide to get to 
> him and drag him away from the steps.  Then crawled back up, grabbed a 
> blanket and a big towel--spread the blanket down the steps, got the 
> towel under the dog's belly to lift him, got him started up the steps on 
> the blanket...Did I mention that this dog weighs about 70 pounds and is 
> quite grumpy?
> 
> Anyway, finally got him rescued and he doesn't seem to have suffered any 
> ill effects.  But we're both REALLY REALLY REALLY tired of ice storms...
> 

Poor Dog! Sounds like a mini adventure to me. That's one you don't have 
to leave home for.


> --Sherry "Mutt Whisperer" Shaw
> 
>


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From: Leroy
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 11:37:43
Message: <47615F7C.7050701@joplin.com>
Gail Shaw wrote:
> The trees are coming down your driveway?? ohoh...
> 
> *g*
> 
> It was the image that came to mind when I read that
> 

It was strange! It was more like the first season of LOST where the 
trees move violently about by some unseen force.
>


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From: Leroy
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 11:48:23
Message: <476161FC.4010200@joplin.com>
Phil Cook wrote:
> I'm glad you're all alright.
> 
  Thanks! Hope we stay that way we're expecting SNOW Friday and Saturday.


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 11:58:20
Message: <476164ac@news.povray.org>
Leroy nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/12/12 23:48:
> If you haven't heard. Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri and even a little of 
> Arkansas got hit with a big ice storm. I just got my power back on after 
> two days. I live in Missouri in the middle of the woods. You should have 
> seen and heard all those trees limbs breaking. It was amazing!
>  While surveying the fallen limbs around my house I thought that I heard 
> someone coming down my drive way.(It's a quarter of a mile long) But no!
> It was trees.
>  Luckly we had only a few limbs hit the house. The chicken coop 
> servived. None of the cars got damage. And we already had a electric 
> genertor, just had to plug it in.
> 
Make me think of the ice storm we had several years back. Montreal, and much of 
Quebec, was blacked out for a week, we almost ran out of water, the army was 
called in to shot off the ice clinging to the buildings, and most of downtown 
was offlimit to everyone. Sheets of ice up to 5"+ thick, and over 10' whide 
faling from 10 to 40 stories over you, it's a very scary tought.

-- 
Alain
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computer to its knees by mistakenly launching 64 simultaneous frames to be 
traced, while trying to maximizing the benefits of parallelizing them.
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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 12:01:42
Message: <47616576$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/12/13 07:00:
> scott wrote:
> 
>> Just pour hot water over the ice until it's all melted, then use the 
>> wipers to clear the excess liquid.  That will keep the glass warm and 
>> dry enough until you get things warmed up.  All cars are designed to 
>> survive thermal shock like this, if your windscreen cracks then it 
>> would have cracked anyway due to the next stone that hit it or 
>> whatever...
> 
> Sorry, the school car park doesn't have any hot water. ;-)
> 
> Actually, last night while I was laying in bed, failing to be asleep, I 
> wondered about something. Every time we have frost, government vehicles 
> drive out and dump many billions of tonnes of salt onto the roads.
> 
> 1. What the hell does that do to the cars?
It make them rust away.
> 
> 2. Where does all this salt *go* to? Is this a problem?
In the ground and the reivers. If you have clay rich ground, it's not a problem 
as the salt make that clay harder, less prone to change into mud. It can be a 
problem for the vegetation, killing it.

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Alain
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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 12:11:52
Message: <476167d8$1@news.povray.org>
Gail Shaw nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/12/13 09:31:
> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
> news:47613160@news.povray.org...

> Nah. If the car had been parked in the open they may have refused my claim
> (cause the car's supposed to be kept under cover), but last time I checked,
> highways didn't have roofs
> 
> 
Since when is it mandatory to park your car under cover? In most of the world 
it's just about impossible to park your car under any form of solid cover like 
in a garage. When I lived in the suburbs, there were not a single garage in the 
neibourhood, nor in the reibouring ones. In the city, over 95% of the car owners 
can only park ther cars on the streets.

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Alain
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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 12:16:54
Message: <47616906@news.povray.org>
Dan Byers nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/12/13 10:20:
> All that fun stuff went just south of us (Omaha).  We got a nice quarter-inch
> glazing and about 4 inches of snow on top of it.  No fun to drive in, but I got
> the day off, so it had some benefits :)  Supposed to be mid-30s here today, so
> some of it should melt (then refreeze overnight... stupid winter!)...
> 
> Dan
The snow will melt, stop on the underlying ice, then freeze into a thicker ice 
layer. Nice ;-p
I prefer 4" of snow, followed by 1/4" of ice. Walk on that and you break the ice.

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Alain
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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 13 Dec 2007 12:33:45
Message: <47616cf9@news.povray.org>
"Alain" <ele### [at] netscapenet> wrote in message
news:476167d8$1@news.povray.org...

> Since when is it mandatory to park your car under cover?

It's not, but my premium is based on my car been stored behind a locked gate
and under cover.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 14 Dec 2007 05:53:49
Message: <476260bd$1@news.povray.org>
>> 1. What the hell does that do to the cars?
> It make them rust away.

It also corrodes the aluminium components, which nowadays make up for more 
and more of the car.  However, for both steel and aluminium components the 
anti-corrosion coatings have become better, so in general cars don't corrode 
as much now as they did in the past. Still, doesn't hurt to wash your car 
regularly (especially in one of those that washes the underneath with jets).

>> 2. Where does all this salt *go* to? Is this a problem?
> In the ground and the reivers. If you have clay rich ground, it's not a 
> problem as the salt make that clay harder, less prone to change into mud. 
> It can be a problem for the vegetation, killing it.

IIRC here in Germany they only use salt on the autobahns (the other roads 
just get grit) exactly for that reason.  There again, we all have winter 
tyres so it doesn't matter as much if there is a bit of snow on the roads. 
Ice on the other hand...


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 14 Dec 2007 13:14:30
Message: <4762c806@news.povray.org>
scott nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/12/14 05:53:
>>> 1. What the hell does that do to the cars?
>> It make them rust away.
> 
> It also corrodes the aluminium components, which nowadays make up for 
> more and more of the car.  However, for both steel and aluminium 
> components the anti-corrosion coatings have become better, so in general 
> cars don't corrode as much now as they did in the past. Still, doesn't 
> hurt to wash your car regularly (especially in one of those that washes 
> the underneath with jets).
> 
>>> 2. Where does all this salt *go* to? Is this a problem?
>> In the ground and the reivers. If you have clay rich ground, it's not 
>> a problem as the salt make that clay harder, less prone to change into 
>> mud. It can be a problem for the vegetation, killing it.
> 
> IIRC here in Germany they only use salt on the autobahns (the other 
> roads just get grit) exactly for that reason.  There again, we all have 
> winter tyres so it doesn't matter as much if there is a bit of snow on 
> the roads. Ice on the other hand...
> 
> 
4 seasons tires should not have been invented. And now that they exist, they 
should be banned.
I live in Quebec, and most of the ground is clay, so salt make our ground more 
stable. We also have varieties of grass that are more resistant to salt 
contamination. Even if we use TONS of salt each winters, there is only little 
apparent effect on most of the vegetation. At times, the streets are a sparkling 
white from all that salt dust... and with the wind picking that dust...

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Alain
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From: Sherry Shaw
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 14 Dec 2007 22:43:59
Message: <47634d7f@news.povray.org>
Wow, from what I hear, it got hit pretty hard out there.  I have a 
nephew in Tulsa who is supposed to be emailing me & his mom some ice 
storm pix--I guess they got it pretty bad, too.  The nasty weather 
always seems to chop off right around I-44...I'm just a bit north of 
I-44, so I must have just got lucky this time.  Just as well--my yard is 
still full of trees, limbs, etc. from the January ice storm...

I don't think I'll ever forget that sound of trees shattering, out there 
in the dark...it's what I imagine an artillery barrage must sound like.

Hey, stay warm!

--Sherry Shaw

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From: Leroy
Subject: Re: Ice storms
Date: 14 Dec 2007 23:45:15
Message: <47635B7E.703@joplin.com>
Hay Sherry I need to thank you!
  I got to wandering just where Buffalo Mo was. So I googol it, had to 
zoom all the way out on the map to find that it's north of Springfield.
That's when I found out that there's a Cuba Mo. :) I never knew!

  We got some video of the storm damage when the ice was still on. We 
should have got some today before the snow comes. But, we had other 
things to do like checking up on freinds and family. Everyone's ok!
Only a few are still without electric.

  Ya stay warm too!


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