 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
Ok, it's probably not really "Art", I just want a chance to talk about my
chickens again. :-)
http://www.beantoad.com/chickens2/img_0255a.jpg
It's week 22 since she hatched, but I finally got a green egg.
Additionally, I got 2 brown eggs today, making it my best egg day ever.
They only started laying last week.
This is one of those things that I can't really explain "Why?" I'm doing it.
There's just something about raising and growing food that feels right, and
I'm really enjoying raising chickens now. I hope I never need to buy
another egg from the supermarket.
What? A green egg? Yep. I was hoping for blue, but green will do. It's
an "Easter Egger" chicken, derived from the Araucana breed of South America,
but also bred with other American breeds.
--
Jeremy M. Praay
www.beantoad.com
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
Cool. Keeping chickens is something I intend to do, when I have a garden
of my own. They eat kitchen scraps and turn them into free eggs! It's a
no-brainer.
The difficult part (at least in the UK) is fox-proofing...
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
nice render... ;)
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
"nemesis" <nam### [at] gmail com> wrote in message
news:web.475fd1628d291ade5e2636760@news.povray.org...
> nice render... ;)
>
I've already started looking into that. Rendering a chicken would be
difficult, but an egg? Not a problem. :-)
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
"Bill Pragnell" <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:475fb843@news.povray.org...
> Cool. Keeping chickens is something I intend to do, when I have a garden
> of my own. They eat kitchen scraps and turn them into free eggs! It's a
> no-brainer.
>
> The difficult part (at least in the UK) is fox-proofing...
They're in a coop right now, and unfortunately, that's where they'll spend
the next 3 months. Anyway, it's very fox proof. Mice could still get in,
and possibly rats too, but rats are only a problem with chicks. They spent
the fall and summer in a movable pen. I learned a few tricks to keep
predators out of that, after losing one chicken and having another one
scarred for life (which was only 4 more weeks until he got the axe).
The more I read about raising your own chickens/eggs is that just about
anything you produce yourself is going to be healthier than what you would
get at a store. That's not an answer to my "Why?" question, but it's nice
to know.
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
> Ok, it's probably not really "Art", I just want a chance to talk about my
> chickens again. :-)
> http://www.beantoad.com/chickens2/img_0255a.jpg
>
> It's week 22 since she hatched, but I finally got a green egg.
> Additionally, I got 2 brown eggs today, making it my best egg day ever.
> They only started laying last week.
>
> This is one of those things that I can't really explain "Why?" I'm doing it.
> There's just something about raising and growing food that feels right, and
> I'm really enjoying raising chickens now. I hope I never need to buy
> another egg from the supermarket.
>
> What? A green egg? Yep. I was hoping for blue, but green will do. It's
> an "Easter Egger" chicken, derived from the Araucana breed of South America,
> but also bred with other American breeds.
>
So, in your case, which came first?
The chicken or the egg?
Tom
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
"Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecom> a écrit dans le message de
news: 475f2662$1@news.povray.org...
> Ok, it's probably not really "Art", I just want a chance to talk about my
> chickens again. :-)
> http://www.beantoad.com/chickens2/img_0255a.jpg
>
> This is one of those things that I can't really explain "Why?" I'm doing
> it.
Because it makes you feel independent and closer to self-sufficiency?
Because it is a slow process and it changes from the usual hurry?
Marc
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
M_a_r_c wrote:
> Because it makes you feel independent and closer to self-sufficiency?
> Because it is a slow process and it changes from the usual hurry?
Because the chickens aren't pumped full of hormones and noxious chemicals.
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
"Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecom> wrote in message
news:475f2662$1@news.povray.org...
> Ok, it's probably not really "Art", I just want a chance to talk about my
> chickens again. :-)
> http://www.beantoad.com/chickens2/img_0255a.jpg
>
> It's week 22 since she hatched, but I finally got a green egg.
> Additionally, I got 2 brown eggs today, making it my best egg day ever.
> They only started laying last week.
>
> This is one of those things that I can't really explain "Why?" I'm doing
> it. There's just something about raising and growing food that feels
> right, and I'm really enjoying raising chickens now. I hope I never need
> to buy another egg from the supermarket.
>
> What? A green egg? Yep. I was hoping for blue, but green will do. It's
> an "Easter Egger" chicken, derived from the Araucana breed of South
> America, but also bred with other American breeds.
>
> --
> Jeremy M. Praay
> www.beantoad.com
>
>
How do the eggs taste compared to "Organic, Free Range, No Pesticides"
advertised eggs? Compared to Non-Organic?
How does the chicken meat compare? Do you have them slaughtered or do you do
it yourself?
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
"Tom Austin" <taustin> wrote in message news:475fe45b$1@news.povray.org...
>
> So, in your case, which came first?
> The chicken or the egg?
>
10 meat chickens came first. :-)
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
"Mike Raiford" <mra### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:476017fa@news.povray.org...
> M_a_r_c wrote:
>
>> Because it makes you feel independent and closer to self-sufficiency?
>> Because it is a slow process and it changes from the usual hurry?
>
> Because the chickens aren't pumped full of hormones and noxious chemicals.
The self-sufficiency idea is probably what appeals to me the most. Perhaps
that's my answer, but I'm uncomfortable admitting it. There's something
interesting about the idea of going off into nowhere and living on only what
you have. I'm not saying that I could do that (at least not at this point
in my life), but it's intriguing. Regardless, it's probably never going to
happen, so perhaps my thoughts are actually irrational. LOL.
--
Jeremy M. Praay
www.beantoad.com
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
"Ross" <rli### [at] speakeasynet> wrote in message
news:4760344b$1@news.povray.org...
>
>
> How do the eggs taste compared to "Organic, Free Range, No Pesticides"
> advertised eggs? Compared to Non-Organic?
>
> How does the chicken meat compare? Do you have them slaughtered or do you
> do it yourself?
Eggs taste like eggs, as far as I can tell. The yolks are much darker
orange than available at the store, however, and they're probably healthier
too. From everything I've read, any eggs that don't come from the store are
most likely healthier. There's an interesting article here:
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Whole-Foods-and-Cooking/2007-10-01/Tests-Reveal-Healthier-Eggs.aspx.
Maybe it's not the best science, but I still think the test results are
interesting, to say the least.
The chicken meat is the best chicken I've ever had. I've had others agree
with that statement, too, so it's not just me. They eat a lot of grass, and
I guess that enhances the flavor and makes it a bit more nutritious.
I'm having a lot of fun doing it, but given the costs involved, I could
probably never justify what I'm doing unless I can start selling my
eggs/chickens at extremely inflated prices. :-)
--
Jeremy M. Praay
www.beantoad.com
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
>
> There's just something about raising and growing food that feels right...
>
That's how I feel about my garden. There's something about eating food
that was grown *here* that just feels right. It's about impossible to
explain, but I think there's really something about food that came from
the soil where you live that's just *right*. Can't explain it, it just
*is*.
--Sherry "Organic Tomatoes Totally Rock" Shaw
--
#macro T(E,N)sphere{x,.4rotate z*E*60translate y*N pigment{wrinkles scale
.3}finish{ambient 1}}#end#local I=0;#while(I<5)T(I,1)T(1-I,-1)#local I=I+
1;#end camera{location-5*z}plane{z,37 pigment{granite color_map{[.7rgb 0]
[1rgb 1]}}finish{ambient 2}}// TenMoons
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
> ...I finally got a green egg.
>
BTW, I thought those were laid by bunnies.
--Sherry Shaw
--
#macro T(E,N)sphere{x,.4rotate z*E*60translate y*N pigment{wrinkles scale
.3}finish{ambient 1}}#end#local I=0;#while(I<5)T(I,1)T(1-I,-1)#local I=I+
1;#end camera{location-5*z}plane{z,37 pigment{granite color_map{[.7rgb 0]
[1rgb 1]}}finish{ambient 2}}// TenMoons
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
"Mike Raiford" <mra### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
476017fa@news.povray.org...
> Because the chickens aren't pumped full of hormones and noxious chemicals.
That's so obvious I omitted it.
I answered about the pleasure of breeding livestock and growing and cropping
your own food.
Not only the homegrown chickens are free of chemicals, antibiotics, steroids
but they grow outdoors with space to run across eating good food (grains,
grass, family meals peelings and remnants...)
They have more time to grow.
And last but not least, you can select breeds on a taste criterium more than
on a productivity and disease resistance criterium.
When you have tasted homegrown chicken then eat industrial chicken, you
realize how ill must be these animals to have such a different flesh.
Marc
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
"Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecom> a écrit dans le message de
news: 47606aa8$1@news.povray.org...
> The self-sufficiency idea is probably what appeals to me the most.
> Perhaps that's my answer, but I'm uncomfortable admitting it. There's
> something interesting about the idea of going off into nowhere and living
> on only what you have. I'm not saying that I could do that (at least not
> at this point in my life), but it's intriguing. Regardless, it's probably
> never going to happen, so perhaps my thoughts are actually irrational.
> LOL.
>
> --
Irrational maybe no more than many of our so-said rational thoughts.
Since the emergence of conscience (some hundreds of thousands years) and
until one or two centuries only, the population was mainly gathered in small
autarkic tribes or villages.
Don't you think we keep traces of that in our brain? We still have the same
as our hunter/gatherer ancestors.
I'm sure man is not made to live in huge cities (now have we the choice?).
Marc
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
M_a_r_c wrote:
> When you have tasted homegrown chicken then eat industrial chicken, you
> realize how ill must be these animals to have such a different flesh.
If I ever have that opportunity. I've tasted homegrown beef, before,
though. Was very tender compared to cuts of meat I've had from the
store, taste was a bit different, too, IIRC.
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
Sherry Shaw wrote:
>
> --Sherry "Organic Tomatoes Totally Rock" Shaw
>
Home-grown Tomatoes are the best! The ones from the store are near
flavorless and mealy. Tomatoes actually have a flavor to them. Once I'm
out of an apartment and into a house with a yard priority one will be a
vegetable garden. Sooo many tasty things can be grown right in your own
backyard. And convenient, too.. :D
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
"Mike Raiford" <mra### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:47612eba$1@news.povray.org...
> Sherry Shaw wrote:
>
>>
>> --Sherry "Organic Tomatoes Totally Rock" Shaw
>>
>
> Home-grown Tomatoes are the best! The ones from the store are near
> flavorless and mealy. Tomatoes actually have a flavor to them. Once I'm
> out of an apartment and into a house with a yard priority one will be a
> vegetable garden. Sooo many tasty things can be grown right in your own
> backyard. And convenient, too.. :D
Tomatoes and potatoes... Once you start growing your own potatoes, buying
something in a bag almost seems disgusting. The ones at the store seem
mushy, scarred, etc. Of course farm-markets often have fresh veggies.
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
"Mike Raiford" <mra### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
47612eba$1@news.povray.org...
> Sherry Shaw wrote:
>
>>
>> --Sherry "Organic Tomatoes Totally Rock" Shaw
>>
>
> Home-grown Tomatoes are the best! The ones from the store are near
> flavorless and mealy. Tomatoes actually have a flavor to them. Once I'm
> out of an apartment and into a house with a yard priority one will be a
> vegetable garden. Sooo many tasty things can be grown right in your own
> backyard. And convenient, too.. :D
Tomatoes are typically THE vegetable which is worth vegetable gardenning if
you live in a not too wet country :-)
Here again, breeds chosen on the taste more than on the roundness and
synchronized maturity, plants planted in real soil (most industrial tomatoes
are grown hydroponically)
With a dozen plants you can easily crop 50kg juicy and tasty tomatoes
Marc
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
If I can get some more hens that lay interesting colors (white, dark brown,
cream-tint), the Easter basket possibilities might be pretty cool. :-)
http://www.beantoad.com/chickens2/img_0256a.jpg
The white one here came from the store.
"Sherry Shaw" <ten### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
news:4760c248@news.povray.org...
> Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
>> ...I finally got a green egg.
>>
>
> BTW, I thought those were laid by bunnies.
>
> --Sherry Shaw
>
>
> --
> #macro T(E,N)sphere{x,.4rotate z*E*60translate y*N pigment{wrinkles scale
> .3}finish{ambient 1}}#end#local I=0;#while(I<5)T(I,1)T(1-I,-1)#local I=I+
> 1;#end camera{location-5*z}plane{z,37 pigment{granite color_map{[.7rgb 0]
> [1rgb 1]}}finish{ambient 2}}// TenMoons
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
"Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecom> wrote in message
news:475f2662$1@news.povray.org...
> What? A green egg? Yep.
I'm surprised no one mentioned ham...
Sam I am. ;-)
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
"Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecom> wrote in message
news:47606d3d$1@news.povray.org...
> "Ross" <rli### [at] speakeasynet> wrote in message
> news:4760344b$1@news.povray.org...
>>
>>
>> How do the eggs taste compared to "Organic, Free Range, No Pesticides"
>> advertised eggs? Compared to Non-Organic?
>>
>> How does the chicken meat compare? Do you have them slaughtered or do you
>> do it yourself?
>
> Eggs taste like eggs, as far as I can tell. The yolks are much darker
> orange than available at the store, however, and they're probably
> healthier too. From everything I've read, any eggs that don't come from
> the store are most likely healthier. There's an interesting article here:
>
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Whole-Foods-and-Cooking/2007-10-01/Tests-Reveal-Healthier-Eggs.aspx.
> Maybe it's not the best science, but I still think the test results are
> interesting, to say the least.
>
> The chicken meat is the best chicken I've ever had. I've had others agree
> with that statement, too, so it's not just me. They eat a lot of grass,
> and I guess that enhances the flavor and makes it a bit more nutritious.
>
> I'm having a lot of fun doing it, but given the costs involved, I could
> probably never justify what I'm doing unless I can start selling my
> eggs/chickens at extremely inflated prices. :-)
>
>
There's a part in The Omnivore's Dilema about eggs. The farmer sold them to
local chefs because the yolks were so much more shapely, richly colored, and
velvety than any other eggs available. I don't think he inflated the price
too much, but there was a demand.
It does sound like fun... except killing chickens.
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
And lo on Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:15:15 -0000, Mike Raiford
<mra### [at] hotmailcom> did spake, saying:
> M_a_r_c wrote:
>
>> Because it makes you feel independent and closer to self-sufficiency?
>> Because it is a slow process and it changes from the usual hurry?
>
> Because the chickens aren't pumped full of hormones and noxious
> chemicals.
But those are the best bits!
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
And lo on Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:38:04 -0000, M_a_r_c
<jac### [at] wanadoofr> did spake, saying:
>
> "Mike Raiford" <mra### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 47612eba$1@news.povray.org...
>> Sherry Shaw wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> --Sherry "Organic Tomatoes Totally Rock" Shaw
>>>
>>
>> Home-grown Tomatoes are the best! The ones from the store are near
>> flavorless and mealy. Tomatoes actually have a flavor to them. Once I'm
>> out of an apartment and into a house with a yard priority one will be a
>> vegetable garden. Sooo many tasty things can be grown right in your own
>> backyard. And convenient, too.. :D
>
> Tomatoes are typically THE vegetable which is worth vegetable gardenning
> if
> you live in a not too wet country :-)
Tomatoes are fruits, stop being sacrilegious ;-)
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
Phil Cook wrote:
>
> Tomatoes are fruits, stop being sacrilegious ;-)
>
Yep, not only that, but they are also berries. What gets me is tomatoes,
peppers (capsicum), and potatoes are all members of the nightshade
family, and IIRC all have toxic parts (stems and leaves, fruit isn't
toxic on the peppers and tomatoes obviously...tubers are edible on
potatoes, but the rest of the plant is toxic)
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
"Mike Raiford" <mra### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
4762916f$1@news.povray.org...
> Yep, not only that, but they are also berries. What gets me is tomatoes,
> peppers (capsicum), and potatoes are all members of the nightshade family,
> and IIRC all have toxic parts (stems and leaves, fruit isn't toxic on the
> peppers and tomatoes obviously...tubers are edible on potatoes, but the
> rest of the plant is toxic)
Slight derail, but something that amuses me is that most, if not all, plants
contain compounds that either act as a defense against predators (i.e.
biochemical warfare) or are potentially toxic anyway (ergot and other forms
of mold poisonning). Exceptions are the parts, such as fruits, that actually
require to be eaten by an animal to complete the reproductive cycle of the
plant, but otherwise plants aren't quite happy to be at the bottom of the
food chain. These compounds - alkaloids, tannins, glucosinates, lectins,
antitrypsin factors and many others - are also called antinutritional
factors, for a reason. Ruminants have a bacterial flora that takes care of
the toxins, but monogastric animals like pigs, poultry and humans, less so.
In fact, it's only through centuries of human-directed selection ("sweet" or
"garden" or "food" varieties) and proper detoxification practices such as
washing, peeling and cooking that we have edible plants.
Fresh meat, eggs and milk, OTOH, don't have this kind of built-in
toxicological issues (they have others of course), which is pretty ironical
given the bad press they get these days.
G.
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
Gilles Tran wrote:
> Slight derail, but something that amuses me is that most, if not all, plants
> contain compounds that either act as a defense against predators (i.e.
> biochemical warfare) or are potentially toxic anyway (ergot and other forms
> of mold poisonning).
Except iceberg lettuce, which survives by simply having no nutritive
value or flavor for any other form of life. ;-)
(Not my joke, but I don't remember who said it.)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
It's not feature creep if you put it
at the end and adjust the release date.
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
476315bb$1@news.povray.org...
> Gilles Tran wrote:
>> Slight derail, but something that amuses me is that most, if not all,
>> plants contain compounds that either act as a defense against predators
>> (i.e. biochemical warfare) or are potentially toxic anyway (ergot and
>> other forms of mold poisonning).
>
> Except iceberg lettuce, which survives by simply having no nutritive value
> or flavor for any other form of life. ;-)
>
>
> (Not my joke, but I don't remember who said it.)
>
> --
Sounds a bit as Douglas Adams in "So long and thanks for all the fish".
BTW beware Virosa, Iceberg's grandmother ;-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactuca_virosa
Marc
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
