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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Yeah, that again...
Date: 30 Oct 2007 15:55:09
Message: <47279a2d$1@news.povray.org>
I'm surprised nobody commented on this one...

http://blog.orphi.me.uk/archives/153


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Yeah, that again...
Date: 30 Oct 2007 16:26:42
Message: <4727a192$1@news.povray.org>

> I'm surprised nobody commented on this one...
> 
> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/archives/153

IMHO, keep that paragraph.


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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: Yeah, that again...
Date: 30 Oct 2007 16:41:03
Message: <4727a4ef@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> IMHO, keep that paragraph.

LOL! Thanks for the advice... I'll let you know if it leads to a 
promotion. ;-)

(Weirder things have happened.)

It's true though. On the surface, the regulations say that you have to 
actually test stuff before you go and use it, to make sure it really 
does work properly. Which, inconvenient though it is, seems perfectly 
reasonable. However, what we have hear is people make me perform a test 
purely for the "warm fuzzly feeling" you get from being able to say 
"hey, we tested something, and it worked. That's good, right? Right??"

For those of you that grok this stuff, the real problem boils down to 
the fact that I'm being asked to perform a "validation" when really it's 
a *performance qualification* that is indicated. (But we don't do those 
in the first place. But it would "look bad" if we didn't do any testing 
at all - even though none is actually necessary, it would still look 
bad.) Hence the silly testing. *sigh*


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Yeah, that again...
Date: 30 Oct 2007 16:47:23
Message: <4727a66b$1@news.povray.org>

> It's true though. On the surface, the regulations say that you have to 
> actually test stuff before you go and use it, to make sure it really 
> does work properly. Which, inconvenient though it is, seems perfectly 
> reasonable. However, what we have hear is people make me perform a test 
> purely for the "warm fuzzly feeling" you get from being able to say 
> "hey, we tested something, and it worked. That's good, right? Right??"

Testing after any change seems like a good idea. Unless the test takes 
more than five minutes. And you mentioned months on your blog post; so 
they can put the test in thei-- ERROR: NNTP connection reset by peer.


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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: Yeah, that again...
Date: 30 Oct 2007 17:01:21
Message: <4727a9b1$1@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

>> It's true though. On the surface, the regulations say that you have to 
>> actually test stuff before you go and use it, to make sure it really 
>> does work properly. Which, inconvenient though it is, seems perfectly 
>> reasonable. However, what we have hear is people make me perform a 
>> test purely for the "warm fuzzly feeling" you get from being able to 
>> say "hey, we tested something, and it worked. That's good, right? 
>> Right??"
> 
> Testing after any change seems like a good idea. Unless the test takes 
> more than five minutes. And you mentioned months on your blog post; so 
> they can put the test in thei-- ERROR: NNTP connection reset by peer.

Define "change".

The computers will be unplugged, moved from one building to another, and 
plugged back in.

It's not like I'm changing any settings or anything. Just the physical 
location of the boxes. It's not like software has yet reached the point 
of being aware of its surroundings.



















[Insert paranoid delusional remarks here.]


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Yeah, that again...
Date: 30 Oct 2007 17:37:07
Message: <4727b213$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:55:12 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:

> I'm surprised nobody commented on this one...
> 
> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/archives/153

The login requirement makes it a bit hard to, since I've got accounts in 
several other blogs already...

I actually have some documents from a move I did (it was a much larger 
move with many more considerations - and users moving over something like 
a 6 week period into the new building), but I thought they might be 
useful for you to see what others have done in somewhat similar 
situations.

I can scrub names out of the docs and send to you - I believe I know your 
work e-mail address, so if you want, I can ping you there to make sure 
and then forward them along.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Yeah, that again...
Date: 30 Oct 2007 17:38:49
Message: <4727b279$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:01:24 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:

> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> Orchid XP v7 escribió:
>>> It's true though. On the surface, the regulations say that you have to
>>> actually test stuff before you go and use it, to make sure it really
>>> does work properly. Which, inconvenient though it is, seems perfectly
>>> reasonable. However, what we have hear is people make me perform a
>>> test purely for the "warm fuzzly feeling" you get from being able to
>>> say "hey, we tested something, and it worked. That's good, right?
>>> Right??"
>> 
>> Testing after any change seems like a good idea. Unless the test takes
>> more than five minutes. And you mentioned months on your blog post; so
>> they can put the test in thei-- ERROR: NNTP connection reset by peer.
> 
> Define "change".
> 
> The computers will be unplugged, moved from one building to another, and
> plugged back in.
> 
> It's not like I'm changing any settings or anything. Just the physical
> location of the boxes. It's not like software has yet reached the point
> of being aware of its surroundings.

Is the network numbering scheme the same, or does it change?  Same number 
of subnets, same routers, etc?

Server IP addresses stay the same?  You may find some "rogue" processes 
that depend on specific IP addresses that you weren't previously aware of 
if you're changing addressing schemes.

ISTR you said it's all happening at once, so maybe these things aren't 
changing.

Jim


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From: Sherry Shaw
Subject: Re: Yeah, that again...
Date: 31 Oct 2007 09:44:16
Message: <472894c0@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> 
> The computers will be unplugged, moved from one building to another, and 
> plugged back in.
> 

A couple of months ago, a nice young network tech of my acquaintance [1] 
took a job in another state and moved out of the family home. [2]  His 
mother [3] and her significant other decided to move the SO's computer 
to the son's former bedroom.  All they had to do was unplug everything, 
carry it through a couple of rooms and down the hall, and plug it in 
again.  Shortly thereafter, my phone began to ring.

After explaining repeatedly that programmers don't change light bulbs 
[4], I agreed to investigate the matter. [5]  It seems that the video 
card was unseated [6], the keyboard was plugged into the PS2 mouse port 
[7], the speakers were plugged into the microphone jack [8], the USB 
mouse was plugged into the port that just didn't like it very much [9], 
this was, of course, an optical mouse that, oddly enough, was unable to 
detect movement when it was placed on a slick, shiny, utterly monochrome 
surface [10]...well, you get my drift.

NEVER underestimate the power of random human silliness.  ALWAYS TEST 
EVERYTHING.

--Sherry Shaw


[1] Okay, my nephew.
[2] I imagine he heaved a big sigh of relief.
[3] Apparently my sister.
[4] We are, however, fond of talking frogs.
[5] As in "crawl under the desk and start taking things apart."
[6] But the SO would never, never, never yank really hard on the monitor 
cable without first unscrewing the screws...
[7] An easy mistake, if you plug things in with your eyes closed.
[8] See [7].
[9] For every USB gadget, there's one USB port that doesn't like it very 
much.
[10] "But it's an optical mouse!  It doesn't need a mousepad!"

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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Yeah, that again...
Date: 31 Oct 2007 09:57:26
Message: <472897d6$1@news.povray.org>
Sherry Shaw wrote:
[snip hilarity]

It's impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Yeah, that again...
Date: 31 Oct 2007 10:39:05
Message: <4728a199@news.povray.org>
Sherry Shaw <ten### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> For every USB gadget, there's one USB port that doesn't like it very 
> much.

  Is that some kind of Murphy's law?-)

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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