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Howdy All. While exploring the Internet for artistic inspiration I happened
across POV-Ray and decided to give it a try. That was Yesterday. I began working
my way through the tutorials of course. Right off the bat I noticed that the
tutorial in describing lighting makes reference to something which is not
obviously available in the program. Specifically the tutorial says to render one
of the examples at "200x150 -A" This setting is not readily available in the
preset rendering options drop down. Not only is this setting not available but
editing the file for the resolutions where none of the settings look anything
like what is already in the file.
This resolution is not readily available without going into parts of the program
that a newbie shouldn't go into until at least the beginning of the advanced
tutorials.
Well it's just my opinion having found similar situations in many tutorials
throughout the internet. The problem is one of a program coming out with a new
version (call it an updated version if you like) and the tutorials not being up
to date with the new version.
This situation has a tendency of confusing a person who is simply trying to
learn a program.
Well anyway...I just wanted to drop in and say Hey. I am fairly excited about
learning this new (to me) program. It looks like just the software I've been
looking for to render some art projects I've had rattling around my brain pan
for a while.
Well I guess that's enough for my first rant.
Hope you guys will help where the tutorials fall through as I've described
above.
R'
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R'Lee wrote:
<snippity>
> obviously available in the program. Specifically the tutorial says to render one
> of the examples at "200x150 -A" This setting is not readily available in the
> preset rendering options drop down. Not only is this setting not available but
Just put +w200 +h150 -A on the commandline. -A just means no
anti-aliasing (if it's switched on in your default .INI
> editing the file for the resolutions where none of the settings look anything
> like what is already in the file.
> This resolution is not readily available without going into parts of the program
> that a newbie shouldn't go into until at least the beginning of the advanced
> tutorials.
Don't worry about going where you shouldn't go. The worst that will
happen is that Pov will complain and refuse to render; you won't break
anything. The best that will happen is you will have learned something :-)
> Well it's just my opinion having found similar situations in many tutorials
> throughout the internet. The problem is one of a program coming out with a new
> version (call it an updated version if you like) and the tutorials not being up
> to date with the new version.
> This situation has a tendency of confusing a person who is simply trying to
> learn a program.
Documentation is being updated as we speak :-) IIRC Jim Holsenback is
i/c updating the Pov wiki
> Well anyway...I just wanted to drop in and say Hey. I am fairly excited about
> learning this new (to me) program. It looks like just the software I've been
> looking for to render some art projects I've had rattling around my brain pan
> for a while.
Welcome to the club. We are here to help. Don't forget to read the FAQs
BTW It helps sometimes if you mention what platform you're running on
e.g. Windoze, Linux, Mac etc
John
--
"Eppur si muove" - Galileo Galilei
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"R'Lee" <nomail@nomail> wrote in message
news:web.4add9ab64fbf7b498cc95c800@news.povray.org...
> Howdy All. While exploring the Internet for artistic inspiration I
> happened
> across POV-Ray and decided to give it a try. That was Yesterday. I began
> working
> my way through the tutorials of course.
Welcome :-)
> Right off the bat I noticed that the
> tutorial in describing lighting makes reference to something which is not
> obviously available in the program. Specifically the tutorial says to
> render one
> of the examples at "200x150 -A" This setting is not readily available in
> the
> preset rendering options drop down.
I see this same resolution mentioned in sections 1.2.4.1, 1.2.4.2, 1.2.4.4,
1.3.1.6, 1.3.3.5 and 1.3.4.1, (2.2.4.2 etc. in Windows Help) and at
corresponding points through the Wiki. For the instances that I've looked
at, the resolution doesn't seem to be hugely relevant to the text, so maybe
we should just drop the resolution references at those points?
I'd be happy to nip in and edit the Wiki if everyone agrees.
Regards,
Chris B.
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Chris B wrote:
>
> "R'Lee" <nomail@nomail> wrote in message
> news:web.4add9ab64fbf7b498cc95c800@news.povray.org...
>> Howdy All. While exploring the Internet for artistic inspiration I
>> happened
>> across POV-Ray and decided to give it a try. That was Yesterday. I
>> began working
>> my way through the tutorials of course.
>
> Welcome :-)
>
>> Right off the bat I noticed that the
>> tutorial in describing lighting makes reference to something which is not
>> obviously available in the program. Specifically the tutorial says to
>> render one
>> of the examples at "200x150 -A" This setting is not readily available
>> in the
>> preset rendering options drop down.
>
> I see this same resolution mentioned in sections 1.2.4.1, 1.2.4.2,
> 1.2.4.4, 1.3.1.6, 1.3.3.5 and 1.3.4.1, (2.2.4.2 etc. in Windows Help)
> and at corresponding points through the Wiki. For the instances that
> I've looked at, the resolution doesn't seem to be hugely relevant to the
> text, so maybe we should just drop the resolution references at those
> points?
>
> I'd be happy to nip in and edit the Wiki if everyone agrees.
>
> Regards,
> Chris B.
>
Sounds like a good idea to me. Most modern machines render so fast that
anti-aliasing and moderate resolutions are no problem at all. I suspect
that most of the tutorials in the docs are several years old.
John
--
"Eppur si muove" - Galileo Galilei
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"Chris B" <nom### [at] nomail com> wrote in message
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> I see this same resolution mentioned in sections 1.2.4.1, 1.2.4.2,
> 1.2.4.4, 1.3.1.6, 1.3.3.5 and 1.3.4.1, (2.2.4.2 etc. in Windows Help) and
> at corresponding points through the Wiki. For the instances that I've
> looked at, the resolution doesn't seem to be hugely relevant to the text,
> so maybe we should just drop the resolution references at those points?
>
> I'd be happy to nip in and edit the Wiki if everyone agrees.
I had a look a the sections you mentioned and agree with your observations,
so go for it!
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"Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] povrayorg> wrote:
> "Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote in message
> news:4addabac@news.povray.org...
> > I see this same resolution mentioned in sections 1.2.4.1, 1.2.4.2,
> > 1.2.4.4, 1.3.1.6, 1.3.3.5 and 1.3.4.1, (2.2.4.2 etc. in Windows Help) and
> > at corresponding points through the Wiki. For the instances that I've
> > looked at, the resolution doesn't seem to be hugely relevant to the text,
> > so maybe we should just drop the resolution references at those points?
> >
> > I'd be happy to nip in and edit the Wiki if everyone agrees.
>
> I had a look a the sections you mentioned and agree with your observations,
> so go for it!
>
>Far be it from this newbie to even suggest that changes be made but if my suggestions
lead to a clearer tutorial then
I am just glad I could help.
R'
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"Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] povrayorg> wrote in message
news:4adee834@news.povray.org...
>
>> I'd be happy to nip in and edit the Wiki if everyone agrees.
>
> I had a look a the sections you mentioned and agree with your
> observations, so go for it!
Hi Jim,
I tried starting with
http://wiki.povray.org/content/Documentation:Tutorial_Section_2.1
The page says that changes need to be made on the Talk page (just like the
last changes I did a couple of weeks ago), but the talk page is empty, where
the previous talk page contained a copy of the Wiki content and the
corresponding markup. I copied the page content, but it seemed to lose some
of the formatting. I saved the unchanged page, removed about 4 '200x150'
resolution references and saved it again so that the changes should be
readily identifiable.
I wanted to check that this is the way it's meant to happen before
continuing. If you then are manually repeating those deletions back into the
actual page, then it would probably be quicker for me to just get a list of
all the pages affected and for you to search for '200x150' and delete the
texts on those pages.
Regards,
Chris B.
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R'Lee wrote:
> Howdy All. While exploring the Internet for artistic inspiration I happened
> across POV-Ray and decided to give it a try. That was Yesterday. I began working
> my way through the tutorials of course. Right off the bat I noticed that the
> tutorial in describing lighting makes reference to something which is not
> obviously available in the program. Specifically the tutorial says to render one
> of the examples at "200x150 -A" This setting is not readily available in the
> preset rendering options drop down. Not only is this setting not available but
> editing the file for the resolutions where none of the settings look anything
> like what is already in the file.
It sounds like you're using the Windows version of POV-Ray. You can
write any command-line options in the box just to the right of the
resolution drop-down box. BTW, these will override any other default
optins -- IOW, putting "+w200 +h150" in that box will make it ignore any
size selected in the resolution box. Secondly, these option commands
will remain in this box until you manually delete or replace them, even
if you close and re-open POV-Ray.
> Well anyway...I just wanted to drop in and say Hey. I am fairly excited about
> learning this new (to me) program. It looks like just the software I've been
> looking for to render some art projects I've had rattling around my brain pan
> for a while.
Welcome to the world of POVing, you're in for a fun ride. Also keep
coming to these newsgroups for lots of general info and specific help
when you need it. Many very friendly and helpful people here.
-=- Larry -=-
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"Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote in message
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> I tried starting with
> http://wiki.povray.org/content/Documentation:Tutorial_Section_2.1
>
> The page says that changes need to be made on the Talk page (just like the
> last changes I did a couple of weeks ago), but the talk page is empty,
> where the previous talk page contained a copy of the Wiki content and the
> corresponding markup. I copied the page content, but it seemed to lose
> some of the formatting. I saved the unchanged page, removed about 4
> '200x150' resolution references and saved it again so that the changes
> should be readily identifiable.
Yes I saw your changes ... with some fishing. I'm not sure what happened
with the formatting issue you mentioned. Perhaps it has to do with how you
copied the original text.
Even with the original page locked down you still should be able to select
the "edit" function to bring up the built in editor to copy the sections or
passages of interest. You just won't be able to make a save to the original.
After getting the text (wiki markup and all) into copy buffer just cancel
the edit. Go to the talk page (even it's a new one) and paste the whole glob
into the edit window and save (talk pages aren't locked down)
> I wanted to check that this is the way it's meant to happen before
> continuing. If you then are manually repeating those deletions back into
> the actual page, then it would probably be quicker for me to just get a
> list of all the pages affected and for you to search for '200x150' and
> delete the texts on those pages.
Thanks for checking .... I usually look at the page history to easily spot
the changes. If all is in order yes I do the copy/paste to get the modified
back into the original. If there are other passages and all it involves is a
quick edit (like the 1st four) then yes I can work from a list.
Jim
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"Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] povrayorg> wrote in message
news:4ae04345@news.povray.org...
> "Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote in message
> news:4adf77d7@news.povray.org...
>
> Even with the original page locked down you still should be able to select
> the "edit" function to bring up the built in editor to copy the sections
> or passages of interest. You just won't be able to make a save to the
> original. After getting the text (wiki markup and all) into copy buffer
> just cancel the edit. Go to the talk page (even it's a new one) and paste
> the whole glob into the edit window and save (talk pages aren't locked
> down)
>
Ah! That's what I was doing wrong, I hadn't spotted the 'View Source' button
within the original page to get Wiki source, so I'd cut and pasted from the
page itself, which seemed to preserved some of the formatting (source blocks
and the index), but not others (sub-headers).
I've modified two further tutorial pages (Sections 3 and 3.3). The 3 pages
in total were the only ones thrown up by a google search of the Wiki site
for '200x150' or by a Wiki search for the same string.
Regards,
Chris B.
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