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From: Ross Litscher
Subject: Re: strange black areas
Date: 9 Apr 2004 11:02:42
Message: <4076bb12$1@news.povray.org>
"Buddy13" <bud### [at] themappersguildcom> wrote in message
news:40769ed0@news.povray.org...
> Attached are the code and the picture rendered. Not sure if you need it,
> but if you can't duplicate the results with the code alone, the pic
> might help.
>
> And I know my code is probably pretty sloppy, but I still consider
> myself new at this. :D

In that case, welcome to the group. But as others will surely tell you,
povray.newusers isn't the proper place to post images. those should go in
povray.binaries.images. It's common practice to either as questions here and
say "hey, i'll post the image over in povray.binaries.images" and people
will take the time to go look.

The black spots are atributed to your radiosity settings. I'm not one to
know the best settings to use though. So no real help from me, eh? ;) Nice
looking Bender, anyway!

ross


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: strange black areas
Date: 9 Apr 2004 11:41:46
Message: <4076c43a$1@news.povray.org>
Program ended abnormally on 09/04/2004 09:01, Due to a catastrophic Buddy13 error:
> I've been modeling Bender from Futurama to kill some time, and I've run 
> into some strange black/dark areas around the neckline.
> 
> The textures aren't reflective in any way, so I don't think it's a max 
> trace level problem (which is set to 50 anyway).
> 
> The best I can come up with is that it's radiosity somehow doing it.
> 

Yep.

> And I know my code is probably pretty sloppy, but I still consider 
> myself new at this. :D
> 

Having a cool project like that will most certainly help you learn new tricks 
along the way.  You code is not that sloppy, but there's a few things I'd like 
to comment on:

1 - Your light_source is coincident with the floor, which might not be of great 
help.  You might want to move it somewhere else.  Especially since it is behind 
Bender, so your photons wouldn't be seen (none are shot anyways, because no 
objects interact with them at this point)

2 - Adding "hollow on" to the plane does not give you anything.  Doesn't hurt 
either, but

3 - I rewrote your Measuring_Wall object.  It could have also been just a plane 
or a box with a marble or gradient pigment.  I know that it is currently 
commented out, but it looks like you weren't aware of the power of the #while() 
directive.

     #declare Measuring_Wall = union {
         //changed to a while loop to reduce size of code
         //moved Y1 closer to loop for cleanliness.
         //removed Y2 as it is unneeded.
         // - F.L.
         #declare Y1 = 0.0;
         #while( Y1 < 1.6 )
             box {
                 <100,Y1,0>,<-100,Y1+0.1,0.001>
                 pigment { color rgb Color1 }
             }
             box {
                 <100,Y1+0.1,0>,<-100,Y1+0.2,0.001>
                 pigment { color rgb Color2 }
             }
             #declare Y1 = Y1 + 0.2;
         #end //while
     }
     //object { Measuring_wall }

4 - This box causes an error because it goes from 1.5 to 1.5 in the Y direction. 
  I don't know what you were trying to do with it (I don't have enough time to 
reverse-engineer that bit of your code), but you might want to look into 
changing the value of Eye_Cover_Opening.

     #declare EyeCover = intersection {
         object {EyeHole2}
         box {
             <0.1,Eye_Cover_Opening,-0.1835>,<-0.1,1.5,-0.1834>
         }
     }

Have fun, and be sure to show us your progress. ;)

-- 
/*Francois Labreque*/#local a=x+y;#local b=x+a;#local c=a+b;#macro P(F//
/*    flabreque    */L)polygon{5,F,F+z,L+z,L,F pigment{rgb 9}}#end union
/*        @        */{P(0,a)P(a,b)P(b,c)P(2*a,2*b)P(2*b,b+c)P(b+c,<2,3>)
/*   videotron.ca  */}camera{orthographic location<6,1.25,-6>look_at a }


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: strange black areas
Date: 9 Apr 2004 11:43:58
Message: <4076c4be$1@news.povray.org>
Program ended abnormally on 09/04/2004 09:01, Due to a catastrophic Buddy13 error:

> Attached are the code and the picture rendered.

Forgot to mention:

Images should go in povray.binaries.images.  You should have posted the picture 
there and said something along the lines of "please see article entitled bla bla 
bla in povray.newusers".
-- 
/*Francois Labreque*/#local a=x+y;#local b=x+a;#local c=a+b;#macro P(F//
/*    flabreque    */L)polygon{5,F,F+z,L+z,L,F pigment{rgb 9}}#end union
/*        @        */{P(0,a)P(a,b)P(b,c)P(2*a,2*b)P(2*b,b+c)P(b+c,<2,3>)
/*   videotron.ca  */}camera{orthographic location<6,1.25,-6>look_at a }


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From: Rafal 'Raf256' Maj
Subject: Re: strange black areas
Date: 9 Apr 2004 15:08:44
Message: <Xns94C6D70A39BAAraf256com@203.29.75.35>
bud### [at] themappersguildcom news:40769ed0@news.povray.org

> Just some idle fun to kill time while trying to get inspiration for
> certain other projects (which will probably be released before this
> one is).

Kiss my shiny metal ass.

Good idea for a project, maybe Lila would be a next step ;) ?

-- 
http://www.raf256.com/3d/
Rafal Maj 'Raf256', home page - http://www.raf256.com/me/
Computer Graphics


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From: Buddy Rogers
Subject: Re: strange black areas
Date: 12 Apr 2004 21:39:42
Message: <407b44de@news.povray.org>
"But as others will surely tell you,
povray.newusers isn't the proper place to post images. those should go in
povray.binaries.images. It's common practice to either as questions here and
say "hey, i'll post the image over in povray.binaries.images" and people
will take the time to go look."

My mistake. I'm also new at newsgroups.

"1 - Your light_source is coincident with the floor, which might not be 
of great help.  You might want to move it somewhere else.  Especially 
since it is behind Bender, so your photons wouldn't be seen (none are 
shot anyways, because no objects interact with them at this point)"

The photons are leftover from a copy/paste from another scene. They 
won't be of any use in this scene, so they'll probably just be removed 
completely.

"2 - Adding "hollow on" to the plane does not give you anything."

That would just be the "Insert -> Plane" thing. I didn't think I needed 
it... I just never bothered to check.

"3 - I rewrote your Measuring_Wall object.  It could have also been just 
a plane or a box with a marble or gradient pigment.  I know that it is 
currently commented out, but it looks like you weren't aware of the 
power of the #while() directive."

You would be correct on that. I've never really used any of the if's, 
while's and so forth. Someday I'll get into that stuff.
But for now, thanks a ton for the rewrite.

"4 - This box causes an error because it goes from 1.5 to 1.5 in the Y 
direction.  I don't know what you were trying to do with it (I don't 
have enough time to reverse-engineer that bit of your code), but you 
might want to look into changing the value of Eye_Cover_Opening."

Well, it's supposed to be a cover for the eye-hole, and I see the error 
too. I rewrote it so the other part is 0.01 past the 1.5, so there's no 
error.

"Kiss my shiny metal ass.

Good idea for a project, maybe Lila would be a next step  ?"

That might be a bit harder. But I am planning on creating a little 
pointy beard for a "Flexo" model, and a gold finish for the alternate 
universe Bender.

"Bite my glorious, golden ass!" ;)


Thanks for all the help guys.


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From: Buddy Rogers
Subject: Re: strange black areas
Date: 13 Apr 2004 01:59:03
Message: <407b81a7@news.povray.org>
Oh, right... I forgot about the black areas...

Any help on that part?


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