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Hi!
A friend of mine claims that Bryce is the one and only 3D program to use...
I have never used Bryce myself, only POV Ray, and would like to ask some
more experienced users here for some more info on Bryce, e.g. comapred to
POV Ray...? Is POV the winner :-) ?
/Janne
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On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:41:01 +0200, Janne Eriksson wrote:
>Hi!
>
>A friend of mine claims that Bryce is the one and only 3D program to use...
>I have never used Bryce myself, only POV Ray, and would like to ask some
>more experienced users here for some more info on Bryce, e.g. comapred to
>POV Ray...? Is POV the winner :-) ?
In short yes POV is the winner.
Bryce is good on landscapes and atmospheric scenes, but falls down in many
areas, and View'd Esprite (sp?), is probably much better on landscapes.
You can create a nice looking scene quickly with Bryce but it lacks the
power and controle of the likes of POV. I personally found the interface
very confusing, and have heard others say the same.
Others may be able to give you a more up to date opinion on Bryce, it's some
time since I've used it.
--
Cheers
Steve email mailto:ste### [at] zeropps uklinuxnet
%HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
web http://www.zeropps.uklinux.net/
or http://start.at/zero-pps
11:41am up 78 days, 12:26, 2 users, load average: 1.00, 1.07, 1.11
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Janne Eriksson <jan### [at] idese> wrote:
: A friend of mine claims that Bryce is the one and only 3D program to use...
Is it free?
--
#local D=array[6]{11117333955,7382340,3358,3900569407,970,4254934330}
#local I=0;#macro M()<mod(D[I],13)-6,mod(div(D[I],13),8)-3,10>#end
#while(I<6)cylinder{M()#local D[I]=div(D[I],104);M().1
pigment{rgb 9}}#local I=(D[I]>99?I:I+1);#end /*- Warp -*/
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Steve wrote:
> Others may be able to give you a more up to date opinion on Bryce, it's some
> time since I've used it.
I have to play a Devil's advocate here, but some of the stuff the best Bryce
users turn out is truly amazing. See:
http://www.DigitalRen.com/master/kano/kano.html
http://www.lls.se/~ternald/websid2.html
I guess it takes a lot of work and dedication to get there, but Povray is no
piece of cake either. To get the best out of Povray, it's preferable to be at
ease with programming, something truly appalling for many people.
From my own forays with Bryce, I'd say that it's more limited than Povray (and
particularly than Megapov) in many aspects, but one can obtain - within these
limitations - extremely good results in a relatively short time.
G.
>
>
> --
> Cheers
> Steve email mailto:ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet
>
> %HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
>
> web http://www.zeropps.uklinux.net/
>
> or http://start.at/zero-pps
>
> 11:41am up 78 days, 12:26, 2 users, load average: 1.00, 1.07, 1.11
--
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Pov-ray gallery
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Janne Eriksson wrote:
>
> A friend of mine claims that Bryce is the one and only 3D program to
> use... I have never used Bryce myself, only POV Ray, and would like
> to ask some more experienced users here for some more info on Bryce,
> e.g. comapred to POV Ray...? Is POV the winner :-) ?
Well, the people who write POV-Ray didn't go broke...
Regards,
John
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ICQ: 46085459
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Any program in the hands of someone with talent and patience will produce
great images. But for me Pov is the one because of it's flexibility.
Mick
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In article <3AE1BA9E.A3DD7462@erols.com> , John VanSickle
<van### [at] erolscom> wrote:
> Well, the people who write POV-Ray didn't go broke...
I am a student - I am always broke ;-)
____________________________________________________
Thorsten Froehlich
e-mail: mac### [at] povrayorg
I am a member of the POV-Ray Team.
Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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Depends where you get it <g>
Warp wrote:
>
> Janne Eriksson <jan### [at] idese> wrote:
> : A friend of mine claims that Bryce is the one and only 3D program to use...
>
> Is it free?
>
> --
> #local D=array[6]{11117333955,7382340,3358,3900569407,970,4254934330}
> #local I=0;#macro M()<mod(D[I],13)-6,mod(div(D[I],13),8)-3,10>#end
> #while(I<6)cylinder{M()#local D[I]=div(D[I],104);M().1
> pigment{rgb 9}}#local I=(D[I]>99?I:I+1);#end /*- Warp -*/
--
Oliver Wood
University Of Durham
http://www.dur.ac.uk/o.e.wood/
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"oliWood" <O.E### [at] durhamacuk> wrote in message
news:3AE6BE4E.9ABA6C85@durham.ac.uk...
> Depends where you get it <g>
Legally?
Nekar
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oliWood <O.E### [at] durhamacuk> wrote:
: Depends where you get it <g>
For some reason (although I don't wonder why...) price is never an issue
when people discuss about which renderer is better.
An attitude like "why do you use POV-Ray when this or that hypersuper
high-end renderer is much better" shows clearly that the person has a
pirate version of that program.
As the obvious answer is "because that high-end program costs more than
my 4-month paycheck and I just can't afford it" and usually the other person
is also someone who couldn't afford it, it's quite clear what is the
situation.
Piracy seems to be so common that this doesn't even come to their minds
when they ask the question. They just assume that also you use pirated
programs as naturally as they do.
In my opinion those kind of people are a big bunch of losers (sorry if
I offended anyone, but that's just my opinion).
When someone asks me this question in real life, I always answer in the
same way: "Well, give me the money and I'll buy the program and start using
it." That's usually enough to shut them up.
And besides, POV-Ray *IS* better than many of those expensive programs.
--
#local D=array[6]{11117333955,7382340,3358,3900569407,970,4254934330}
#local I=0;#macro M()<mod(D[I],13)-6,mod(div(D[I],13),8)-3,10>#end
#while(I<6)cylinder{M()#local D[I]=div(D[I],104);M().1
pigment{rgb M()}}#local I=(D[I]>99?I:I+1);#end /*- Warp -*/
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Warp wrote:
> An attitude like "why do you use POV-Ray when this or that hypersuper
> high-end renderer is much better" shows clearly that the person has a
> pirate version of that program.
I wouldn't say "clearly", though the piracy problem exists. Lots of people
involved in 3d have access to legit copies of software they could never afford
themselves, because they attend a CG class or work for a CG company. So the
"who's got the biggest one" attitude is annoying but more related to
testosterone than to piracy per se IMHO. Pov people tend to have an "attitude"
too...
About less high-end software like Bryce or Vue, it's also debatable. Someone who
can afford the hardware to run Pov smoothly can also afford these programs, and
older versions of them are often available for (almost) free in magazines, or
bundled with other programmes (like Bryce3D with Poser 4).
G.
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http://www.oyonale.com
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Pov-ray gallery
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Gilles Tran wrote:
> Pov people tend to have an "attitude" too...
Say what !?!
--
Ken Tyler
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On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:41:01 +0200, "Janne Eriksson"
<jan### [at] idese> wrote:
>A friend of mine claims that Bryce is the one and only 3D program to use...
>I have never used Bryce myself, only POV Ray, and would like to ask some
>more experienced users here for some more info on Bryce, e.g. comapred to
>POV Ray...? Is POV the winner :-) ?
For things involving height fields or objects that can be represented
similarly, Bryce is quite useful; it's far easier to tweak and test
them then it is in POV, IMO. But I find it very difficult to work with
for anything else; it makes far more sense to me to lay stuff out with
coordinates than by moving stuff around on the screen (and for the
same reason I don't use programs like Moray). I also don't like the
texturing model as much as I do POVRay's.
I feel like I've got greater control in general in POVRay, overall. I
have seen some spectacular images done in Bryce, though. I suspect
that to some extent the answer is that it depends both on the artist
and the type of images one wishes to create. But I'm odd; I don't
believe in One True Program under any circumstances. :)
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Janne,
I have Bryce4, and after paying the amount of money that I did, I think
that it should do more.
It's easier to use than POV because of the semi-realtime rendering, but
it lacks some things that can be found in free software such as POV.
I've been into 3D modelling about two years now and the best 3D
modelling software I've found, that's reasonably priced, is 3C Canvas
Pro at www.amabilis.com.
If you are comfortable with writing all the code then POVRay is by far
the best way to go, simply the most powerful raytracer out there, and
it's FREE.
Les
Janne Eriksson wrote:
> Hi!
>
> A friend of mine claims that Bryce is the one and only 3D program to use...
> I have never used Bryce myself, only POV Ray, and would like to ask some
> more experienced users here for some more info on Bryce, e.g. comapred to
> POV Ray...? Is POV the winner :-) ?
>
> /Janne
>
>
>
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