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30 May 2024 12:21:40 EDT (-0400)
  Re: Povray crashes  
From: David Healy
Date: 25 Sep 2006 14:45:00
Message: <web.451822a6b2080fe2f5575a510@news.povray.org>

anything new or further on this?

Las Vegas, Nv.

"Allan" <all### [at] WholeCheesecom> wrote:
> Thorsten,
> Thanks for the info but I hope you did not misunderstand my note:  I did not
> say it was POV-Ray's problem, I simply said it was not an Intel app.  I do
> realize that Rosetta is not a very robust environment and it is no wonder
> that it fails with POV-Ray.
> That said, the very fact that Rosetta is not acceptable is the very reason
> why POV-Ray needs to be ported to run as an Intel Mac app.  I think it is
> much more likely that POV-Ray can be ported than expecting Apple to fix
> Rosetta.  Rosetta, while it does work for most old applications, was never
> meant to be a long lived solution for old PPC software.
> Like I said in my previous post: if the POV-Ray team would like some help
> with porting POV-Ray to the Intel Mac then let me know.  Every app I've
> ever written for PPC Macs have ported easily over to Intel.
> -Allan
> Thorsten Froehlich <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
> > Allan wrote:
> > > I just tried POV-Ray 3.6 on an Intel iMac and I get the same crash.  (It
> > > works great on the "old" G5.)  A look at the crash log shows that the crash
> > > happens in LaunchCFMApp.  It would appear that POV-Ray 3.6 is not yet ready
> > > for the Intel Macs?  It should run on the Intels under Rosetta but maybe
> > > the old Mac CFM (Code Fragment Manager, kind of like DLL's in Windows)
> > > doesn't work under Rosetta?
> > >
> > No, the problem are the countless bugs in Apple's software emulator. If the
> > PowerPC emulator is crashing, that is *Apple's* problem, not POV-Ray's.
> > Report problems with crashes to Apple. POV-Ray is a perfectly working and
> > cleanly written PowerPC application, and it does run on every real PowerPC
> > processor. On the other hand, the emulator Apple supplies is known to have
> > problems, and they won't get fixed unless Apple is told they exist.
> >
> > Report it to Apple, or nothing will change. Unlike with the much better
> > planned 68K to PowerPC transition, Apple has neglected to develop a working
> > debugger for the PowerPC emulation environment called "Rosetta" and instead
> > rushed out unstable systems to end users. Even today there is no reasonable
> > way to debug within Rosetta, except using a barely working hack documented
> > by Apple to use an unreliable low-level command-line-based debugger with
> > plenty of restrictions.
> >
> > BTW, effectively the poor development environments available, and the rushed
> > transition is also the reason why major software vendors (i.e. Adobe) have
> > been unable to deliver native software yet. There is just no way to properly
> > develop and test on the x86 PCs sold by Apple yet.
> >
> > As for POV-Ray, do not expect a native version earlier than 2008 or as part
> > of POV-Ray 4.0, whichever comes first. In the meantime, you can always
> > compile and run the Unix version natively on Mac OS X.
> >
> >  Thorsten, POV-Team

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