On 8/9/2024 07:23, Alain Martel wrote:
> Le 2024-09-06 à 15:41, Saul F. Luizaga a écrit :
>> TL;DR
>> Wen?
>>
>> TL;DR:
>> Why is this not in Discord, a lot more fluid and organized, 'coz the Web
>> Newsgroup template kinda of sucks: I used Ex-Mozilla Thunderbird and 
>> it gives a
>> nice structure but still I need to read a lot of irrelevant posts to 
>> get to
>> something important, so the solution for irrelevant posts is Discord, 
>> and leave
>> the important stuff for the Newsgroup
>>
> Discord is a real time discussion platform. It's good for a conference 
> or a team meeting. I use it for some role playing cessions where most 
> players can't meet in person.
> For non-synchronous interaction, it don't hold a candle to a good old 
> news group.
> 
> Then, what is important for you may be irrelevant to someone else, and 
> what is irrelevant for you may be very important for someone else.
> 
> If you are in a thread that you don't care about, you can use the «T» to 
> mark it all read and skip to the next unread message.

I think not. I think there's a bunch of FAQs he that don't need to be, 
so they can be in a IRC/Discord/Chat place. Here should be things that 
are relevant, that need to be permanent; and people should suggest in 
chat to put things discovered relevant on chat, here, so this is not 
cluttered with bunch of irrelevant info, or topics not much of POV-Ray 
that won't be relevant anymore; like this dang thread that shouldn't exist.

You're wrong, it holds candle, it stays on the chat until someone 
answers it, and people do like to chat and participate in a more active 
way, there are Discord chats about everything, which supplies a more 
dynamic demand for casual chatting/discussing of topics. It doesn't need 
to be synchronous, neither is this newsgroup, it's for just for free 
conversations, what part of that you don't fuking understand? There's a 
need fr that, that's why that app exists

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hi,

Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> On 13/9/2024 11:45, Bald Eagle wrote:
> > Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> >> On 8/9/2024 08:05, tTh wrote:
> >>> On 9/7/24 18:57, ingo wrote:
> >
> >>>> We communicate nearly as slow as we render, so no need for real time
> >>>> chat.
> >
> > Usually true - unless there's something under development by 2 or more people.
> > Then the posting to forum method is annoyingly slow.
> >
> >> That nobody uses, IRC is ancient rustic and nobody cares for it; if you
> >> less attention from the Internet, keep ignoring current trends
> >
> > Project management software has been suggested before, and would facilitate
> > working on small group or POV-Ray 4.0 development, in the instances where people
> > needed to iterate with realtime feedback while they had the opportunity, lest it
> > expire and real life once again took priority.
> > ...
> > It would be great if the chat logs could be saved and archived, so that the
> > development, debugging, and solution(s) would be available to the community
> > afterwards.  I'd hate to lose that aspect of the forum posts.
> >
> People just opposed like morons: hey bunch of, what part of
> irrelevant/casual chat you didn't get? my post clearly states that; it
> attracts people, it's like a online FAQ and might get more people
> involved in every capacity: users and devs. of it, which is what this
> project needs to stay alive.

thing is, POV-Ray is "open source".  the "idea" is that _you_ (too) will engage,
give your time and work.  re the service you champion, why do you not start a
decent POV-Ray "hangout" on Discord, and see how it develops ?  agree though
that additional "outlets" for users and or developers to meet is a good idea.
(the English say "putting your money where your mouth is" ;-))

> If you ignore the message and just justify a negative 'coz it's the sum
> of all your fears, it is in fact, still a dumbass answer get it? Noen of
> you gave a valid justification, just "No" 'coz you want to touch my whee
> whee or something equally stupid

grow up.  it's "ok" to say/write "penis".  it is, after all, a dictionary word.


regards, jr.

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On 13/9/2024 12:35, jr wrote:
> hi,
> 
> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> On 13/9/2024 11:45, Bald Eagle wrote:
>>> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>>>> On 8/9/2024 08:05, tTh wrote:
>>>>> On 9/7/24 18:57, ingo wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> We communicate nearly as slow as we render, so no need for real time
>>>>>> chat.
>>>
>>> Usually true - unless there's something under development by 2 or more people.
>>> Then the posting to forum method is annoyingly slow.
>>>
>>>> That nobody uses, IRC is ancient rustic and nobody cares for it; if you
>>>> less attention from the Internet, keep ignoring current trends
>>>
>>> Project management software has been suggested before, and would facilitate
>>> working on small group or POV-Ray 4.0 development, in the instances where people
>>> needed to iterate with realtime feedback while they had the opportunity, lest it
>>> expire and real life once again took priority.
>>> ...
>>> It would be great if the chat logs could be saved and archived, so that the
>>> development, debugging, and solution(s) would be available to the community
>>> afterwards.  I'd hate to lose that aspect of the forum posts.
>>>
>> People just opposed like morons: hey bunch of, what part of
>> irrelevant/casual chat you didn't get? my post clearly states that; it
>> attracts people, it's like a online FAQ and might get more people
>> involved in every capacity: users and devs. of it, which is what this
>> project needs to stay alive.
> 
> thing is, POV-Ray is "open source".  the "idea" is that _you_ (too) will engage,
> give your time and work.  re the service you champion, why do you not start a
> decent POV-Ray "hangout" on Discord, and see how it develops ?  agree though
> that additional "outlets" for users and or developers to meet is a good idea.
> (the English say "putting your money where your mouth is" ;-))
> 
>> If you ignore the message and just justify a negative 'coz it's the sum
>> of all your fears, it is in fact, still a dumbass answer get it? Noen of
>> you gave a valid justification, just "No" 'coz you want to touch my whee
>> whee or something equally stupid
> 
> grow up.  it's "ok" to say/write "penis".  it is, after all, a dictionary word.
> 
> 
> regards, jr.
> 
Hey genius, what part of casual chat you don't get it; why you jump to 
Discord hangout? I never mentioned, referred to or implied so.

Whee-whee was to emphasize the ridiculousness of your opposition; you 
don't get the hint like you don't get why I want this, you purposely stupid.

And WTF "re the service you champion" means? why don't you learn some 
proper English writing instead of telling me to grow up?

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hey,

Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> On 13/9/2024 12:35, jr wrote:
> > ...
> > thing is, POV-Ray is "open source".  the "idea" is that _you_ (too) will engage,
> > give your time and work.  re the service you champion, why do you not start a
> > decent POV-Ray "hangout" on Discord, and see how it develops ?  agree though
> > that additional "outlets" for users and or developers to meet is a good idea.
> > (the English say "putting your money where your mouth is" ;-))
> >
> >> If you ignore the message and just justify a negative 'coz it's the sum
> >> of all your fears, it is in fact, still a dumbass answer get it? Noen of
> >> you gave a valid justification, just "No" 'coz you want to touch my whee
> >> whee or something equally stupid
> >
> > grow up.  it's "ok" to say/write "penis".  it is, after all, a dictionary word.
> >
> Hey genius, what part of casual chat you don't get it;

the "part I get", loud and clear, is that you are a person of words, not actions
("work").  </grin>

> why you jump to
> Discord hangout? I never mentioned, referred to or implied so.

you mentioned another service ?


> Whee-whee was to emphasize the ridiculousness of your opposition; you
> don't get the hint like you don't get why I want this, you purposely stupid.
>
> And WTF "re the service you champion" means? why don't you learn some
> proper English writing instead of telling me to grow up?

<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/champion>, see section "verb".

hth.


regards, jr.

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Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

{a lot of stuff}

Saul, my man:  Chill.

I'm a Free Speech guy, especially because it allows those who will expose
themselves to being voluntarily ignored to sound off - thus alerting the rest of
the community to be enlightened about people they were previously unaware of.

You can make your suggestions and arguments just as well, if not better by
simply explaining the benefits of what you suggest without raging and lashing
out against people you don't know with ad hominem attacks.

No one's saying that what you're suggesting is without merit, or telling you
that you're wrong, opposing you, or looking for an online fight.

However; many of us are lucky to get a few hours in a week to code even a single
scene for our personal enjoyment.

If there's a Discord server available for chatting about POV-Ray, then tell us
about it.   Don't just show up and . . . sow discord.

- Bill Walker

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On 13/9/2024 13:06, jr wrote:
> hey,
> 
> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> On 13/9/2024 12:35, jr wrote:
>>> ...
>>> thing is, POV-Ray is "open source".  the "idea" is that _you_ (too) will engage,
>>> give your time and work.  re the service you champion, why do you not start a
>>> decent POV-Ray "hangout" on Discord, and see how it develops ?  agree though
>>> that additional "outlets" for users and or developers to meet is a good idea.
>>> (the English say "putting your money where your mouth is" ;-))
>>>
>>>> If you ignore the message and just justify a negative 'coz it's the sum
>>>> of all your fears, it is in fact, still a dumbass answer get it? Noen of
>>>> you gave a valid justification, just "No" 'coz you want to touch my whee
>>>> whee or something equally stupid
>>>
>>> grow up.  it's "ok" to say/write "penis".  it is, after all, a dictionary word.
>>>
>> Hey genius, what part of casual chat you don't get it;
> 
> the "part I get", loud and clear, is that you are a person of words, not actions
> ("work").  </grin>
> 
>> why you jump to
>> Discord hangout? I never mentioned, referred to or implied so.
> 
> you mentioned another service ?
> 
> 
>> Whee-whee was to emphasize the ridiculousness of your opposition; you
>> don't get the hint like you don't get why I want this, you purposely stupid.
>>
>> And WTF "re the service you champion" means? why don't you learn some
>> proper English writing instead of telling me to grow up?
> 
> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/champion>, see section "verb".
> 
> hth.
> 
> 
> regards, jr.
> 

Oh so you think you can manipulate me into doing a stupid idea that you 
had, to prove a stupid point I wasn't making?
No matter how clever you think you are posing your stupid idea, is still 
a stupid idea.

I mentioned chat you moron, chat, you fuking get it?

And what's "re" you retard?

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On 13/9/2024 13:25, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> 
> {a lot of stuff}
> 
> Saul, my man:  Chill.
> 

Believe me, I'm chill

> You can make your suggestions and arguments just as well, if not better by
> simply explaining the benefits of what you suggest without raging and lashing
> out against people you don't know with ad hominem attacks.

I did, everyone started going off the point, to give stupid 
justifications for unrelated topics I wasn't referring to, to deny my 
point. I dislike people playing the fool, 'coz is fun to oppose a person 
for the sake of it.

> No one's saying that what you're suggesting is without merit, or telling you
> that you're wrong, opposing you, or looking for an online fight.

I believe you all are, just being buttholes 'coz your boring day just 
got interesting; otherwise you wouldn't be in a contest which one of you 
writes the most butthole opposing comment.

> However; many of us are lucky to get a few hours in a week to code even a single
> scene for our personal enjoyment.

Fine, so don't be on Discord, I don't use it greatly myself, just go 
check for news on several Servers, or to pick some interesting topic, my 
time is short too for personal interests

> If there's a Discord server available for chatting about POV-Ray, then tell us
> about it.   Don't just show up and . . . sow discord.
> 
> - Bill Walker
> 

If there was, I wouldn't be here, and I wouldn't need to tell you 'coz 
it'd be on POV-Ray Community section, which is the proper way to do it, 
it shouldn't be some random person to make the Discord Server, it should 
be made by the people in charge of POV-Ray, like they're in charge of 
the POV-Ray Server.

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Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> ...
> Oh so you think you can manipulate me into doing a stupid idea that you
> had, to prove a stupid point I wasn't making?
> No matter how clever you think you are posing your stupid idea, is still
> a stupid idea.

I neither started this thread, nor had I heard of Discord.  more .. interweb.
</shrug>


> I mentioned chat you moron, chat, you fuking get it?

(might have read better spellchecked)


> And what's "re" you retard?

short for "regarding".  your conversational English really .. is wanting. ;-)


regards ,jr.

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Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> ... the proper way to do it,
> it shouldn't be some random person to make the Discord Server, it should
> be made by the people in charge of POV-Ray, like they're in charge of
> the POV-Ray Server.

says the person of words.  wanting "someone in charge", not prepared to even do
some work for themselves _and_ the community.  </sigh>


regards, jr.

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On 13/9/2024 14:05, jr wrote:
> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> ...
>> Oh so you think you can manipulate me into doing a stupid idea that you
>> had, to prove a stupid point I wasn't making?
>> No matter how clever you think you are posing your stupid idea, is still
>> a stupid idea.
> 
> I neither started this thread, nor had I heard of Discord.  more .. interweb.
> </shrug>
> 
> 
>> I mentioned chat you moron, chat, you fuking get it?
> 
> (might have read better spellchecked)
> 
> 
>> And what's "re" you retard?
> 
> short for "regarding".  your conversational English really .. is wanting. ;-)
> 
> 
> regards ,jr.
> 

Oh now you're not guilty of anything, know nothing about it and of 
course your lack of reading comprehension is my lack of spellchecking, 
not yours at all whatsoever... not playing the fool at all neither

Oh yeah, I had to ask twice for you to come with the answer to an 
ambiguous 2 letter word. BTW Regarding is like this "Re:" your lack of 
letter composition is... lacking, you Snowflake

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