Not sure where to post this, it relates to the online newsgroups.

I don't have a newsgroup reader set up at home and I can't run one at work
so I like to use the web-based newsgroups.  I tend to use the "Message
Digest" multi-group digest so I can see the latest replies without haveing
to sift through the threads to find whats new.  Up until recently, the
off-topic group was not included in this digest, however, sometime in the
past few days it has been included.  The digest only holds the latest 100
messages, so now it tends to fill up rather quickly with all the off-topic
threads.  Is there a reason this got changed (or is my memory faulty and
it's always been like this)?  And is there any way to get it changed back.

Thanks

-tgq

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Trevor G Quayle wrote:
> Not sure where to post this, it relates to the online newsgroups.
> 
> I don't have a newsgroup reader set up at home and I can't run one at work
> so I like to use the web-based newsgroups.  I tend to use the "Message
> Digest" multi-group digest so I can see the latest replies without haveing
> to sift through the threads to find whats new.  Up until recently, the
> off-topic group was not included in this digest, however, sometime in the
> past few days it has been included.  The digest only holds the latest 100
> messages, so now it tends to fill up rather quickly with all the off-topic
> threads.  Is there a reason this got changed (or is my memory faulty and
> it's always been like this)?  And is there any way to get it changed back.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -tgq
> 
> 


I noticed the change too. I haven't made up my mind yet whether I like 
it the new way or the old way better.

I've always normally used only the web interface, but depending on the 
season, it takes a good amount of luck for my logging on to the system 
to work... So in the last few days I've been using thunderbird quite a 
bit.   But then with a news-reader, afaik there is no message digest so 
I've been using the web-interface to find and read newer messages, and 
the message reader to write....

I think what would be ideal imho would be for the message digest to be 
twice as long, available on both the web and the news-reader, and for 
the web login-system to work right for me.

Charles

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"Trevor G Quayle" <Tin### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message 
news:web.4717b160ee6ce4b8c150d4c10@news.povray.org...
> Not sure where to post this, it relates to the online newsgroups.
>
> I don't have a newsgroup reader set up at home and I can't run one at work
> so I like to use the web-based newsgroups.  I tend to use the "Message
> Digest" multi-group digest so I can see the latest replies without haveing
> to sift through the threads to find whats new.  Up until recently, the
> off-topic group was not included in this digest, however, sometime in the
> past few days it has been included.  The digest only holds the latest 100
> messages, so now it tends to fill up rather quickly with all the off-topic
> threads.  Is there a reason this got changed (or is my memory faulty and
> it's always been like this)?  And is there any way to get it changed back.

      Hi Trevor, well spotted ref: O-T. I noted same and actually enquired 
about it via the wrong person, but oh well...

      Anyway, I also noticed via the 'Image Digest' that if any images get 
posted to O-T, then they will also show publically now.

      Just my tuppence worth.

       ~Steve~




>
> Thanks
>
> -tgq
>
>

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Trevor G Quayle wrote:
> Not sure where to post this, it relates to the online newsgroups.

The change to make the off-topic group available via the web view again was
intentional.

As far as your observation is concerned, personally I agree that it is
annoying to have the off-topic messages fill up the digest views. I can't
say yet if we will change this detail as it depends on two things: If we
want to, and if we easily can.

	Thorsten, POV-Team

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"Trevor G Quayle" <Tin### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Not sure where to post this, it relates to the online newsgroups.
>
> Up until recently, the
> off-topic group was not included in this digest, however, sometime in the
> past few days it has been included.

And we still can't use the web interface to _post_ to the OT group, so isn't
it kind of pointless to include them?

Now, if they (whoever "they" might be) decide to change that and allow posts
via the web interface to the OT group, then we can all just disregard my
little mindless blurb...  :)

--
Dan
GoofyGraffix.com

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I'll see if I can improve this over the weekend (pending getting a new beta
out first). I'll also enable posting to off-topic via the web view on a
trial basis.

NB the off-topic posts have been excluded from search engine indexing via
robots.txt.

-- Chris

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more importantly:  the offtopic threads via web don't show a reply link!
I've been intrigued by some of the threads so far, but have no means to
reply to them...

"Trevor G Quayle" <Tin### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> I don't have a newsgroup reader set up at home and I can't run one at work
> so I like to use the web-based newsgroups.

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Charles C <"nospam a nospam.com"> wrote:
> I noticed the change too. I haven't made up my mind yet whether I like
> it the new way or the old way better.
>
> I've always normally used only the web interface, but depending on the
> season, it takes a good amount of luck for my logging on to the system
> to work... So in the last few days I've been using thunderbird quite a
> bit.   But then with a news-reader, afaik there is no message digest so
> I've been using the web-interface to find and read newer messages, and
> the message reader to write....
>
> I think what would be ideal imho would be for the message digest to be
> twice as long, available on both the web and the news-reader, and for
> the web login-system to work right for me.
>
> Charles



all at work and they scroll the other messages off the page quite quickly.

Stephen

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Thorsten Froehlich <tho### [at] povrayorg> wrote:
> Trevor G Quayle wrote:
> > Not sure where to post this, it relates to the online newsgroups.
>
> The change to make the off-topic group available via the web view again was
> intentional.
>
> As far as your observation is concerned, personally I agree that it is
> annoying to have the off-topic messages fill up the digest views. I can't
> say yet if we will change this detail as it depends on two things: If we
> want to, and if we easily can.
>
>  Thorsten, POV-Team

With due respect to your position, that last paragraph SEEMS to make no
sense.

You just commented that filling up the digest is annoying.
But again, "we" involves more than just your opinion, but the whole
POV-Team.

Also, "and if we easily can" seems strange.
You just stated that the change to show off-topic in the digest was
intentional.
Did someone break the handle on the switch that turns it off/on?

Not that I begrudge there being an off-topic group, especially if I had an
off-topic message. But 49% of the Message Digest was in the last 30 hours,
and was on "Life Sucked at My School This Week", 11% more was spread across
other off-topic threads.

There are at least 20 groups I'd rather read, even from a newbie (such as
myself) asking a FAQ, that actually have to do with POVRAY, than in reading
chit-chat that has no relationship. Unintentionally so, but this is SPAM.

Leef_me (newbie extraordinaire)

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"Leef_me" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Also, "and if we easily can" seems strange.

I'll venture the guess that he might've been alluding to the possibility of
leaving the off-topic group acccessible via the web, but not included in
the web interface's message digest.  In that case, it would not be the same
as flipping the switch the other way.  Anyway, if that's do-able, it sounds
worthwhile IMHO, although I still think making it twice as long would be
great too ;-)

Charles

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