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From: kike
Subject: ground fog problems
Date: 3 Oct 2007 03:45:02
Message: <web.47034590f0d1b0c6be7bfb550@news.povray.org>
Hi:

I'm having problems with ground fog. My image consists of a sky_sphere and a
plane for the clouds. The floor is in -100*z and the camera is in 0*z being
z the up vector. I would like to have a ground fog over the floor so I do
the following:

fog{
fog_type    2
up          <0,0,1>
color       rgbt<0,0,0,.5>
fog_offset  1
fog_alt     10
distance    50
translate  <0,0,-100>
}

It doesnt work. In fact the fog seems to interact in a very strange way with
the skysphere and the plane!!!

I've read the documentation and I found this statement:
http://www.povray.org/documentation/view/3.6.1/254/
"You should also note that translations do not affect the up direction (and
thus do not affect the fog)."

So can anyone tell me what is happening? How can I translate my fog to a
<0,0,-100> position? Is the problem in the camera? With fog it is needed to
work with
a hollow enviroment? But it is not possible to define a sky_sphere, can
anyone give me some light?


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From: kike
Subject: Re: ground fog problems
Date: 3 Oct 2007 03:50:01
Message: <web.470348e2bfe93888be7bfb550@news.povray.org>
I mean:
But it is not possible to define a HOLLOW sky_sphere, can anyone give me
some light?


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From: M a r c
Subject: Re: ground fog problems
Date: 3 Oct 2007 07:51:29
Message: <47038241$1@news.povray.org>

web.470348e2bfe93888be7bfb550@news.povray.org...
>
> I mean:
> But it is not possible to define a HOLLOW sky_sphere, can anyone give me
> some light?
>
>
the parameter to 'translate' the fog is fog_offset -100
A skysphere is NOT an object so no need to make it hollow :-)

Marc


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From: M a r c
Subject: Re: ground fog problems
Date: 3 Oct 2007 07:57:26
Message: <470383a6@news.povray.org>

47038241$1@news.povray.org...
> A skysphere is NOT an object so no need to make it hollow :-)
OTOH the cloud plane must be hollow  if its normal is up because your fog 
and camera are inside it (a plane is actually a half space)

Marc


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: ground fog problems
Date: 3 Oct 2007 10:17:10
Message: <4703a466@news.povray.org>
"M_a_r_c" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht 
news:470383a6@news.povray.org...
>

> news: 47038241$1@news.povray.org...
>> A skysphere is NOT an object so no need to make it hollow :-)
> OTOH the cloud plane must be hollow  if its normal is up because your fog 
> and camera are inside it (a plane is actually a half space)
>

...or, instead of hollow, use inverse.

Thomas


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: ground fog problems
Date: 3 Oct 2007 10:51:53
Message: <4703ac89$1@news.povray.org>
kike nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/10/03 03:34:
> 
> 
> Hi:
> 
> I'm having problems with ground fog. My image consists of a sky_sphere and a
> plane for the clouds. The floor is in -100*z and the camera is in 0*z being
> z the up vector. I would like to have a ground fog over the floor so I do
> the following:
> 
> fog{
> fog_type    2
> up          <0,0,1>
> color       rgbt<0,0,0,.5>
> fog_offset  1
> fog_alt     10
> distance    50
> translate  <0,0,-100>
> }
> 
> It doesnt work. In fact the fog seems to interact in a very strange way with
> the skysphere and the plane!!!
> 
> I've read the documentation and I found this statement:
> http://www.povray.org/documentation/view/3.6.1/254/
> "You should also note that translations do not affect the up direction (and
> thus do not affect the fog)."
> 
> So can anyone tell me what is happening? How can I translate my fog to a
> <0,0,-100> position? Is the problem in the camera? With fog it is needed to
> work with
> a hollow enviroment? But it is not possible to define a sky_sphere, can
> anyone give me some light?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
You use a transmit value in your fog, it's effect can look strange. In this 
case, it's why the plane is still visible. The transmit value tel how much of 
the background will show trough. A transmit of 0.5 mean that any background will 
contribute AT LEAST 50%.
It may be beter to remove the transmit and increast the distance, maybe to 100 
to 1000.

The sky_sphere never interact with fog nor media, it's a background pigment that 
is returned for any ray that don't encounter any opaque object.
Is your plane deffined as: plane{z, -100} or plane{-z, 100}? In the first case, 
you are above the plane, in the second case you are "inside" the plane and the 
fog don't extend in that half of the space. Both will show identicaly.

Aparently, using offset 1 translate -100*z, you want the fog to be constant up 
to 1 usit from the plane. A beter way is to use offset -99.
If you use this fog:
fog{
fog_type    2
up          <0,0,1>
color       rgb<0,0,0>
fog_offset  -99 // changed from +1
fog_alt     10
distance   200 // up from 50
//removed the translate
}
It will blur the horizon and hide the farthest part of the plane.
The plane I used is: plane{z, -100 pigment{Some_Pigment}}

-- 
Alain
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