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the text on much of the povray.org website appears to be a fixed size and
quite small. this tends to be a problem for those of us who are blind as
bats :). could the web site design be changed so that the text can be
resized by the user as need be. BTW: i can't change the screen resolution
to make the text larger.
the http://news.povray.org pages do not appear to be affected. please leave
them as is.
Thank you
Richard
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> the text on much of the povray.org website appears to be a fixed size and
> quite small. this tends to be a problem for those of us who are blind as
> bats :). could the web site design be changed so that the text can be
> resized by the user as need be. BTW: i can't change the screen resolution
> to make the text larger.
Mmm, I've always argued that designers should specify font sizes in such a
way that lets the user resize them. Point in case, right here: If some users
can't read the content on your site, who cares if it looks correct pixel for
pixel?
This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, just those web designers who think
that specifying font sizes in 'px' is a good idea. I don't think I ever
mentioned the povray.org web site in my arguments, but this is a good
example of why putting the user's needs before yours is important. Font
sizes should be specified with keywords or ems or percentages. Although
these are all somewhat buggy, some of the bugs can be worked around, and in
the end, the users benefit.
Sorry for using you as an example, rmorehouse =)
(By the way: if it's a problem for you with other sites too, then I
recommend you download Mozilla ( http://www.mozilla.org/ ) which will let
you resize *any* text on a web page. (Well, not images made to look like
text, but those are rare anyway.))
If I knew how to set follow-ups to off-topic, I'd do so.
- Slime
[ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]
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Slime wrote:
>Sorry for using you as an example, rmorehouse =)
No problem.
>(By the way: if it's a problem for you with other sites too, then I
>recommend you download Mozilla ( http://www.mozilla.org/ ) which will let
>you resize *any* text on a web page. (Well, not images made to look like
>text, but those are rare anyway.))
tried mozilla. it crashes on my machine. :(
>If I knew how to set follow-ups to off-topic, I'd do so.
couldnt decide if this was best posted in P.general or P.O.T. oops :)
Richard
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> couldnt decide if this was best posted in P.general or P.O.T. oops :)
This is fine =)
> tried mozilla. it crashes on my machine. :(
That's strange. Are you sure it wasn't a beta version or something?
- Slime
[ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]
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Slime wrote:
>> couldnt decide if this was best posted in P.general or P.O.T. oops :)
>This is fine =)
>> tried mozilla. it crashes on my machine. :(
>
>That's strange. Are you sure it wasn't a beta version or something?
>
> - Slime
it may have been. I'm not sure. my Wife found it . when she tried it and it
crashed she took it off the system.
my machine is pretty strange. AMDK6-2 400mhz on an asus MB with 256mb ram.
need a faster one for pov'ing maybe someday. :)
BTW I Like Slime-POV and i think you're website is pretty cool:)
Richard
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in news:web.3dc4735573b097c92a1c8f120@news.povray.org rmorehouse wrote:
> the text on much of the povray.org website appears to be a fixed
> size and quite small.
in IE6
Tools > Internet Options > General > Accsessibility > Ignore Font sizes
after that you can change the fontsize with
View > Text Size
Ingo
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On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:36:53 -0500, "Slime" <slm### [at] slimeland com> wrote:
>Mmm, I've always argued that designers should specify font sizes in such a
>way that lets the user resize them.
It's a browser thing, actually. Modern browsers allow you to override
font sizes in the browser.
>Point in case, right here: If some users
>can't read the content on your site, who cares if it looks correct pixel for
>pixel?
Modern OSs supply accessibility features that are supposed to help
users with accessibility problems experience computing at levels close
to those of users without.
>This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, just those web designers who think
>that specifying font sizes in 'px' is a good idea.
It will remain a good idea as long as pixels are the only truly native
measurement for screen. Points are native for printing only. That's
why you'll find only pixels in my @media screen rules and only points
(or inches) in my @media print rules.
>I don't think I ever
>mentioned the povray.org web site in my arguments, but this is a good
>example of why putting the user's needs before yours is important. Font
>sizes should be specified with keywords or ems or percentages.
NO! Not until all browsers conform to the standards, until then it's a
mess. NS ignores cascading rules for em and % sizes, even 6.0 and 7.0,
and then there are the poor last-century souls using 4.x whose case is
even more desperate.
Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
Personal e-mail : pet### [at] vipbg
TAG e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg
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Thanks Ingo!
that did the trick!
Richard
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"Peter Popov" <pet### [at] vipbg> wrote in message
news:5g0asu05gdber5n534s742glsss5ajrae3@4ax.com...
> It will remain a good idea as long as pixels are the only truly native
> measurement for screen. Points are native for printing only. That's
> why you'll find only pixels in my @media screen rules and only points
> (or inches) in my @media print rules.
No. We covered this pretty well in *.off-topic...the actual size of pixels
varies widely, measuring things in pixels only ensures it will either be too
large or too small when people use a screen with a different size or
resolution. An actual size unit is always better for measuring size. You
should *never* use pixels to measure size.
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> It's a browser thing, actually. Modern browsers allow you to override
> font sizes in the browser.
> Modern OSs supply accessibility features that are supposed to help
> users with accessibility problems experience computing at levels close
> to those of users without.
Well, they should. IE/Win doesn't. Until it does, I believe it's the
designer's job to make sure their users are able to read the content, and
that means making sure font sizes are resizeable. It's a flaw in the
browser, and one that us designers are responsible for making up for.
> It will remain a good idea as long as pixels are the only truly native
> measurement for screen. Points are native for printing only. That's
> why you'll find only pixels in my @media screen rules and only points
> (or inches) in my @media print rules.
> NO! Not until all browsers conform to the standards, until then it's a
> mess. NS ignores cascading rules for em and % sizes, even 6.0 and 7.0,
> and then there are the poor last-century souls using 4.x whose case is
> even more desperate.
I fully agree that point's are a bad unit to use for screen. I won't argue
for percentages or em's, since those are really buggy in some browsers, as
you said. However, font size keywords, while offering somewhat less control
for the designer, are fully resizeable to the user. There's only a couple of
bugs involved with them, and those can be worked around with Tantek's box
model hack.
While I understand that pixels are the only unit of measurement that are
truly reliable to look the same on all screens, since they create
accessibility hassles for some users, they should be avoided until browsers
catch up.
- Slime
[ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]
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