Really don't know where to post this note but
there is confusing subject on page
http://news.povray.org/3CC56152.F222C5BA%40gmx.de
Mail contains Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

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Skiba <abx### [at] babilonorg>  wrote:

> Really don't know where to post this note but
> there is confusing subject on page
> http://news.povray.org/3CC56152.F222C5BA%40gmx.de
> Mail contains Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

It is not confusing but caused by some news clients turning some message
header lines into some strange encoding when the find non-ASCII characters in
the header line (usually Subject or From header lines) *.  Unfortunately I
don't know the name of this encoding and so I never managed to find out
something about it.  Hints are welcome, of course.


    Thorsten


* This is also the reason why your name always end up truncated in the web
view.

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On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:25:45 +0200, "Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde>
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> It is not confusing but caused by some news clients turning some message
> header lines into some strange encoding when the find non-ASCII characters in
> the header line (usually Subject or From header lines). This is also the reason
> why your name always end up truncated in the web view.

Of course I noticed my name is always destroyed in www interface. I was always
too concerned on other pov related things so not talked about it. Perhaps
before final release, before community increase, it's time for investigation.

The reason I asked about Christoph's post is that encoding sign was inserted
for simple dot which I'm sure is either part of us-ascii and german charset.

In my case it is my fault. I had neither laguage nor coding defined. I've
changed somethingt in my newsreader now for further investigation.

> Unfortunately I
> don't know the name of this encoding and so I never managed to find out
> something about it.  Hints are welcome, of course.

I don't know if it help but Christoph has language  "de" already inserted in
his post - therefore it is displayed as 8859-1 probably. I'm sure there are
some rady converters from different charsets to unicode so when chars from
outside ascii set appear in string than it can be converted to unicode code.
Unicode code can be simple inserted into html via "&#code;" set and displayed
correctly. For example take a look into applied unicode chars in tables:
http://webmaster.helion.pl/kurshtml/znaki/znaki.htm
http://webmaster.helion.pl/kurshtml/znaki/greckied.htm
http://webmaster.helion.pl/kurshtml/znaki/greckiem.htm
Btw, I have already wrote about it to you at begining of povray.international
group. Have you experimented with this ?

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> Of course I noticed my name is always destroyed in www interface.

Please note that your name is destroyed in MS news readers as well... I'm
using MS Outlook Express 5, and each time see the second character of your
name differently, depending on where the name is displayed:

-- "From" field in the list of messages displays it as big E with two dots
upon it (Russian letter immediately following E in the alphabet),

-- Message header in the preview pane displays it as a double quote,

-- Message header in the reply displays it as a superscript 3.

All in all, things like this are almost inevitable these days, so I do not
think POV team should concentrate on workarounds....

Regards,
Vadim.

(Follow-ups to OT)

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Skiba <abx### [at] babilonorg>  wrote:

> I don't know if it help but Christoph has language  "de" already inserted in
> his post - therefore it is displayed as 8859-1 probably. I'm sure there are
> some rady converters from different charsets to unicode

You misunderstood my problem.  It is not that I have no sources of the
charceter encodings, but the string format encoding.  That is what the
questionmark and equal signs and so on mean.  Obviously there is some special
meaning to those that one has to know to extract the character set
specification and the other information.  Once I know the format encoding I
can cope with it I am sure, but but I simply don't know what this encoding
format is called or in which RFC it is specified.  I searched for it last year
but did not manage to find it...

    Thorsten

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On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:31:17 +0200, "Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde>
wrote:
> Once I know the format encoding I
> can cope with it I am sure, but but I simply don't know what this encoding
> format is called or in which RFC it is specified.  I searched for it last year
> but did not manage to find it...

is this what you looked for ?

http://www.nacs.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/MIME/1521/05_Content-Transfer-Encoding.html#5.1

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Skiba <abx### [at] babilonorg>  wrote:

>is this what you looked for ?
>
>http://www.nacs.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/MIME/1521/05_Content-Transfer-Encoding.html

Nope, that is just for message bodies.  I need to know how to detect such a
string in a message header line.  Apparently the "=?iso-8859-1?Q?6" allows
clients to detect the format, but what variants are there?  The "iso-8859-1"
is clear, but what is the meaning of "Q?6"?  I hope this makes my problem
clear...

    Thorsten

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On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:54:18 +0200, "Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde>
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> what is the meaning of "Q?6"?

http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2047.html

4. Encodings
4.2. The "Q" encoding

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Skiba <abx### [at] babilonorg>  wrote:

>> what is the meaning of "Q?6"?
>
> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2047.html
>
> 4. Encodings
> 4.2. The "Q" encoding

Yes, that is it!  Thanks!

    Thorsten

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