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Just a thought: I wonder if there could be some povray.www-related group here.
I noticed various groups are used to post links by community members. Some are
posted into off-topic, some here in general, etc. But it could be great to
have one place dedicated for it. Ken is doing great work around POV-links but
it seems frequency of updates is decreasing. For example I would like to share
link I found by accident with scene designers. I would like to make simple
operations:
1. open post
2. fill target as something like povray.www
3. fill subject with keywords for searching: plants, palms
4. fill body with link http://www.plantapalm.com/vpe/photos/vpe_photos.htm
I found by accident
5. click send
Of course good newsreader can handle this as is, in various groups, but it
could be more handy with some dedicated form/group imo.
ABX
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"ABX" <abx### [at] abx artpl> wrote in message
news:riio1vo9kckorocq6s9b1elskabud6alc4@4ax.com...
<snip>
Sounds like a good idea, although a whole group seems like overkill.
Perhaps a formal statement from the newsgroup admin about links - e.g.
"cgi-related links should be posted to general using the format:
Subject:
Link:www.foobar.com/foobar.html
Body:
linkurl followed by a catagory (as per Ken's catagories) and brief description."
This would have the advantage that, when sorting by subject, the links would all
be listed together.
BTW nice link, excellent resource.
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in news:riio1vo9kckorocq6s9b1elskabud6alc4@4ax.com ABX wrote:
> Just a thought: I wonder if there could be some povray.www-related
> group here. I noticed various groups are used0to `ost links by
> community members. Some are posted into off-topic, some here in
> general, etc.
To me it sounds more like something for a WikiWiki than a newsgroup.
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WelcomeVisitors
but then again, that would make Ken more or less unemployed ...
Ingo
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mailto:lin### [at] povrayorg
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On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 06:48:39 -0800, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
> mailto:lin### [at] povrayorg
At least two times I asked about adding http://abx.art.pl/pov/bonus/pack.php
to links and got promises. Moreover there is imo a lack of important links in
http://www.povray.org/resources/links/3D_Programs/POV-Ray_Unofficial_Patches_and_Front_End_Programs/POV-Ray_Patches_v3.5/
:
http://megapov.inetart.net/
http://users.skynet.be/smellenbergh/
http://www-public.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/simpov/
http://www.slimeland.com/slimepov/
http://195.221.122.126/mlpov_en.html
http://abx.art.pl/pov/popov/
http://abx.art.pl/pov/patches/
ABX
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ABX wrote:
>
> On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 06:48:39 -0800, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
> > mailto:lin### [at] povrayorg
>
> At least two times I asked about adding http://abx.art.pl/pov/bonus/pack.php
> to links and got promises. Moreover there is imo a lack of important links in
>
>
http://www.povray.org/resources/links/3D_Programs/POV-Ray_Unofficial_Patches_and_Front_End_Programs/POV-Ray_Patches_v3.5/
>
> [...]
In defense of Ken it would surely be good to mention that maintaining a
1000+ links collection is probably quite a lot of work and you can't
expect every part of it being continuously up-to-date. None the less it
would probably be useful to supply some form for submitting new links or
link changes and have the submissions included quite frequently.
Including submissions without a review is surely not an option but if such
a submission form is connected with the user accounts on the povray.org
site certain parts of the link collection could also be maintained by
other users. Apart from supporting Ken's work this could also increase
the bandwidth of topics covered by the link collection.
But as i understood it the original idea of this thread was something
quite different. A possibility to show ressources found on the net that
people can visit everyday to get new ideas and inspiration. I think this
is something a link collection like Ken's can hardly offer even if it had
a full time maintainer...
Christoph
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HCR-Edit and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/
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On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 17:15:59 +0100, Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde>
wrote:
> In defense
No need to be in defense. There is no aggressive content in my posts. My
thought was just that complexity, diversity and usability of pov-related
world, sites and community increases and therefore one lonely man working on
it may not be enough at present. And to explain my thoughts there is my link
to Insert Menu Bonus Pack. I posted it via old design of page one year ago or
so. Two times I pointed out on news it is not linked and got promises. Now I
see that there are fresh entries but still can't find mine. Again: I
understand it is hard work but it is hard becouse it is one-man work. Why not
to allow TAG members to add links to database for example? Why not to create
some container like group I mentioned? Why not to make it community work ? Why
not connect adding links with user accounts as Chris suggested ?
ABX
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In article <eq4r1vk0e0j9vtmu7l63221k7ng48c2u1t@4ax.com> , ABX
<abx### [at] abxartpl> wrote:
> At least two times I asked about adding http://abx.art.pl/pov/bonus/pack.php
> to links and got promises. Moreover there is imo a lack of important links in
The link list is not updated every day. It requires work on our site to
update it. Even if Ken knows about the link, that does not mean it will
appear on the site immediately.
Thorsten
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Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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dd9r1v49thp27ltbncue3udo8od5v846ot@4ax.com...
> understand it is hard work but it is hard becouse it is one-man work. Why
not
> to allow TAG members to add links to database for example? Why not to
create
> some container like group I mentioned? Why not to make it community work ?
I think that there are several problems with links databases these days (and
not only with the povray links).
1) Links databases are not as useful as they were : I used to go there a lot
a few years ago, but today, simple google searches can return much more (and
more updated) relevant links than a human-maintained list can.
2) There's simply too many sites out there to be properly classified. In
fact there seems to be some sort of nucleus of permanent, really useful
sites and then an amazing amount of secondary sites which can have great
content but keep blinking on and off the web. I'm often hunting for 3D
props, for instance, but keeping track of every single 3D model site has
become both impossible (there are hundreds of them) and useless (even if I
had a exhaustive, updated list, exploring each site one by one could take
days). Ditto for texture sites, modellers etc. Again, a google search or a
direct search in one of the "core" sites can be more fruitful.
Note that I maintain a professional links database myself, so I really
appreciate the sort of work that Ken has been doing. I do know that it is
hard work, and I believe it has been extremely useful when the Web was
young. Still, I think that comprehensive links databases of this kind are no
longer adapted to the current state of the Web. It is just too big now.
I'd propose :
1) a leaner, shorter and quite restrictive list of URLs with only the proven
core of really popular sites I was talking about, so that we can direct
newbies to it.
2) more or less what ABX is describing, i.e. a rolling list of URLs
automatically submitted by users, if possible with comments, but with no
classification and no promise of updates. It would be searchable and simply
archived (i.e. with the 50 last links on the main pages and the rest on the
archives page).
G.
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In article <3e1dc924$1@news.povray.org> , "Gilles Tran" <tra### [at] inapginrafr>
wrote:
> 1) Links databases are not as useful as they were : I used to go there a lot
> a few years ago, but today, simple google searches can return much more (and
> more updated) relevant links than a human-maintained list can.
But Google searches only work because of these link collections. Remember
that Google ranking is based to a major part on the links pointing to a site
and the links a site makes to other sites. So you remove the link
collections, you change Google ranking!
Thorsten
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Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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