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Subject: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 9 Jul 2002 08:55:25
Message: <bpmliuojbc0rr3oqd88n6eik8aafu70n1k@4ax.com>
I have not started hard testing it but nice design in general. Should be bugs
for webpage now posted like other bug reports ? Looks like compexity of
www.povray.org increased a little. Any chance for povray.www group for topics
related with www.povray.org and all pages related with povray ?

15% of binaries. List of known bugs looks too shortly. I can't find my
"bounding of sphere sweep" which was refused to fix. I have it check where it
should be then :-)

I've started registration.

ABX


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From: Philippe Debar
Subject: Re: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 9 Jul 2002 09:00:50
Message: <3d2ade82@news.povray.org>
Looks beautiful! I love it. Woaw!



Philippe


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 9 Jul 2002 09:25:21
Message: <3d2ae441@news.povray.org>

Skiba <abx### [at] babilonorg>  wrote:

> I have not started hard testing it but nice design in general. Should be bugs
> for webpage now posted like other bug reports ? Looks like compexity of
> www.povray.org increased a little.

If there are problems you find on the site, post here; but no feature
requests, please.  We have more plans and other features for povray.org are
currently in development but it will take time like all good things :-)

As for the new site, most of the design is by Chris Colefax, most of the
HTML and the scripts have been written by me, and most of the content and
server-side setup are by Chris Cason.

    Thorsten

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Thorsten Froehlich
e-mail: mac### [at] povrayorg

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From: marabou
Subject: Re: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 9 Jul 2002 09:50:37
Message: <3d2aea2d@news.povray.org>
the site is not reachable, because i get not server response.


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 9 Jul 2002 09:54:00
Message: <3d2aeaf8$1@news.povray.org>
In article <3d2aea2d@news.povray.org> , marabou <not### [at] availablenet>  wrote:

> the site is not reachable, because i get not server response.

Then try again in a few minutes or an hour or so.  As you can imagine, it is
very busy at times like this ;-)

    Thorsten

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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde

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From: Tom Melly
Subject: Re: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 9 Jul 2002 10:00:37
Message: <3d2aec85$1@news.povray.org>
"marabou" <not### [at] availablenet> wrote in message news:3d2aea2d@news.povray.org...
>
> the site is not reachable, because i get not server response.
>

It does seem slow, but I have a feeling it might be a little busy at the
moment....


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Subject: Re: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 9 Jul 2002 10:56:54
Message: <p9pliugt92avpp371k7a1t4acbu4hvums1@4ax.com>

wrote:
> I have not started hard testing it but nice design in general. 

A few notes about new site. It is very nice but... Some of below points can be
considered as feature requests - if it bother then just ignore them (I started
this list before Thorsten's anmswer).

1. Can't find any link on the site like web### [at] povrayorg. It's usually
public. Was this intentional ?

2. In the list of countris in community section number of povers in each
country could be displayed directly with name of country instead of on embeded
page to decrease number of generated pages. Sorting according to number of
povers in country could be possible.

3. The description under Moray icon on main page is not very well readable.
Moreover description says Moray works with POV-Ray 3.x while on its homepage
Moray says only about POV-Ray 3.1 (I know that some peaople work with 3.5 but
seems it is unofficial solution, right?)

4. On the Source Code section of Download page there is note that 3.5 was
released on 8 july while I suppose it was on 9 July (since there was break on
web page working and timestamp of binaries on ftp server point to that)

5. There is only one search for whole site. Search for links has gone. Search
for news fortunatelly is separated on news.povray.org but parhaps it will be
joined with main site. Any chance for advanced search with additional
checkboxes where search should be performed ?

6. There is gallery expected. Any plans for object/macro/scene/texture/etc..
repository asked a few days ago by somebody ?

7. Search field and Search button have different height under IE 5 and 5.5
than under IE 6 - in result text is a little cuted at bottom.

8. Please consider site map since some pages are linked only once and if
number of features/pages increase it will be hard to find anything without
performing search. It is already hard to find links on the pages since dark
blue link is not very different than black text when hover feature is used
instead of traditional underlining.

9. I wonder if additionaly POVLEGAL could be linked with
http://www.povray.org/copyright.html

10. Documentation section says that documentation can be downloaded via
Download section but there is only one 'documentation' word on downloading
page - in windows section - does it mean only windows version has
documentation ?

11. Known bugs list missed my following reports (verified with final release)
 a) sphere_sweep crash
    http://news.povray.org/g18bguoigilpr5cc14lirhkg7828b49aes%404ax.com
 b) all components of normal are optional but aren't
    http://news.povray.org/4jqqhucskeips1ep0aas9c83hucdjm5qpu%404ax.com
 c) wrong sphere_sweep bounding
    http://news.povray.org/2g0dcu8kasg84pqde8hdq9d60nkoa1cvka%404ax.com
 d) problem with logical operator
    http://news.povray.org/katjhuogjhjptv6nv1dh7rnb11ool6mrs8%404ax.com

I hope I wasn't too detailed.

ABX


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From: ingo
Subject: Re: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 9 Jul 2002 11:16:25
Message: <Xns9246B053E7761seed7@povray.org>

wrote:

> I hope I wasn't too detailed.
> 

Uhmpff, hey, ABX don't you ever stop :)

Give _The Team_ some rest, a moment to catch their breath. They've been 
working hard. Let them sit back and enjoy for a while, watching the 
download counters go sky-high. They deserve it.

Ingo


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From:
Subject: Re: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 9 Jul 2002 11:21:26
Message: <rgvliu0g23l5bo4g0vi3pnqr54hrv5crh5@4ax.com>

wrote:
> I hope I wasn't too detailed.

12. Non standard characters used in more info during registration gets
additional '\' character during later display. You can check it on Christoph
Hormann info. Similiar behaviour was already noted for news wwwgate in
http://news.povray.org/povray.general/25215/

13. URLs on user info pages could be displayed as links. Since AFAIK
www.povray.org use PHP I assume it could be automatically verified during
registration if they are really links.

ABX


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 9 Jul 2002 11:23:08
Message: <3d2affdc@news.povray.org>

Skiba <abx### [at] babilonorg> wrote:

> A few notes about new site. It is very nice but... Some of below points can be
> considered as feature requests - if it bother then just ignore them (I started
> this list before Thorsten's answer).

I will answer anyway to those of which I know more yet.  I will not say
anything about those I have nothing to say/know about.

> 1. Can't find any link on the site like web### [at] povrayorg. It's usually
> public. Was this intentional ?

Right now intentional, but this will eventually be updated.

> 2. In the list of countris in community section number of povers in each
> country could be displayed directly with name of country instead of on embeded
> page to decrease number of generated pages. Sorting according to number of
> povers in country could be possible.

I know.  We are using mySQL as database, and unfortunately it doe not
support subselects.  Performing a separate request via the script for each
country would add too much load, so until mySQL finally gains subselect
capability or I manage to invent another quick way of collecting these
statistics (I have a few workarounds like updating the numbers only once per
day) there won't be any.

> 4. On the Source Code section of Download page there is note that 3.5 was
> released on 8 july while I suppose it was on 9 July (since there was break on
> web page working and timestamp of binaries on ftp server point to that)

It depends on which timezone you are in.

> 5. There is only one search for whole site. Search for links has gone. Search
> for news fortunatelly is separated on news.povray.org but parhaps it will be
> joined with main site. Any chance for advanced search with additional
> checkboxes where search should be performed ?

Yes, those are planned for the near future.

> 6. There is gallery expected. Any plans for object/macro/scene/texture/etc..
> repository asked a few days ago by somebody ?

Plans, yes, time not yet.

> 7. Search field and Search button have different height under IE 5 and 5.5
> than under IE 6 - in result text is a little cuted at bottom.

Yes, we are using the Content Scrambling System aka CSS for most of the
layout, so it may be a tiny bit different on some browsers.  The goal was to
have it work with all browsers such that it is readable, not for maximum
beauty when viewed with every possible browser, which would be an impossible
to achieve goal :-(

> 8. Please consider site map since some pages are linked only once and if
> number of features/pages increase it will be hard to find anything without
> performing search. It is already hard to find links on the pages since dark
> blue link is not very different than black text when hover feature is used
> instead of traditional underlining.

Consider to adjust you monitor gamma correction to normal levels, please.

> 10. Documentation section says that documentation can be downloaded via
> Download section but there is only one 'documentation' word on downloading
> page - in windows section - does it mean only windows version has
> documentation ?

The documentation in different formats will follow in a few days/hours, so
we left that note there.

> 11. Known bugs list missed my following reports (verified with final release)
>  a) sphere_sweep crash
>     http://news.povray.org/g18bguoigilpr5cc14lirhkg7828b49aes%404ax.com
>  b) all components of normal are optional but aren't
>     http://news.povray.org/4jqqhucskeips1ep0aas9c83hucdjm5qpu%404ax.com
>  c) wrong sphere_sweep bounding
>     http://news.povray.org/2g0dcu8kasg84pqde8hdq9d60nkoa1cvka%404ax.com
>  d) problem with logical operator
>     http://news.povray.org/katjhuogjhjptv6nv1dh7rnb11ool6mrs8%404ax.com

At the moment, these bugs are considered not verified or are not bugs at
all.  There have been no unplanned source code changes for a few days prior
to the final release, so everything since then has not been looked at and I
do not know when/if the list will be updated.

    Thorsten

____________________________________________________
Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
e-mail: tho### [at] trfde

Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org


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