Hello,
about "Loneliness" stills round - imho 2nd, 3rd and artistic-merit images 
are *much* nicer then the 1st place image. This blue town ofcourse is 
interesting, but in fact - it's just set of simply geometric buildings and 
not-complicated textures but with addition with radiosity. 
Do You agree ?

Sometimes I think that it would be good idea to have only a few judges, but 
that realy use POV for many years and know it very well.

Ofcourse I know that it would require some time spend for this 'work' - but 
it's only my wish :)

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#macro g(U,V)(.4*abs(sin(9*sqrt(pow(x-U,2)+pow(y-V,2))))*pow(1-min(1,(sqrt(
pow(x-U,2)+pow(y-V,2))*.3)),2)+.9)#end#macro p(c)#if(c>1)#local l=mod(c,100
);g(2*div(l,10)-8,2*mod(l,10)-8)*p(div(c,100))#else 1#end#end light_source{
y 2}sphere{z*20 9pigment{function{p(26252423)*p(36455644)*p(66656463)}}}//M

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Rafal 'Raf256' Maj wrote:
> Hello,
> about "Loneliness" stills round - imho 2nd, 3rd and artistic-merit images 
> are *much* nicer then the 1st place image. This blue town ofcourse is 
> interesting, but in fact - it's just set of simply geometric buildings and 
> not-complicated textures but with addition with radiosity. 
> Do You agree ?

If you read the comments, many people thought - as you did - that the 
textures should have been more intricate.  This being said, the creator 
of the image probably wanted the viewer to focus on the loneliness of 
the insomniac, not how amazing the isosurface bumps of the bricks were 
or what the heck was that person thinking when they bought those ugly 
curtains!

> 
> Sometimes I think that it would be good idea to have only a few judges, but 
> that realy use POV for many years and know it very well.

The IRTC is not POV specific.  If the judges were all POV experts, this 
could lead to bias against images not done in POV.  For example, doing a 
good-looking reflective sphere on a checkered plane in Lightwave or 
Blender is a lot harder than in POV, so that image would receive only 
passable marks, whereas a judge knowledgeable in Blender would certainly 
praise the technical merit of the person doing it.

Besides, Bill Marrs had to basically jump through flaming hoops to get 
as many voters as we did this round,  I prefer getting as many voters as 
possible rather than 5 or 10 snotty "pros".

Some people will vote almost only on technical merit, some mostly on 
artisitc merit, and not many are willing to give high marks for 
interpretation of theme if the technical or artistic aspects are 
lacking.  With close to 80 people voting, you have more chances of 
levelling the scores for artistic and technical merit and get the 
overall "best" pictures to win.

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Xns### [at] 204213191226...
> Hello,
> about "Loneliness" stills round - imho 2nd, 3rd and artistic-merit images
> are *much* nicer then the 1st place image. This blue town ofcourse is
> interesting, but in fact - it's just set of simply geometric buildings and
> not-complicated textures but with addition with radiosity.
> Do You agree ?

For me it's simply the best picture.
Its concept, composition and lighting are perfect and it has a soul most
other pics don't have. Having more complex textures and objects could very
well have ruined it.

G.


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Rafal wrote:
> about "Loneliness" stills round - imho 2nd, 3rd and artistic-merit images
> are *much* nicer then the 1st place image. 

 First, this is not the rigth group for this post.

> This blue town ofcourse is
> interesting, but in fact - it's just set of simply geometric buildings and
> not-complicated textures but with addition with radiosity.
> Do You agree ?

 No. This is the typical complaint from someone with little artistic 
perception.

> Sometimes I think that it would be good idea to have only a few judges,
> but that realy use POV for many years and know it very well.

  You haven't read IRTC rules... too bad.
 
> but it's only my wish :)

  Hopefully! :)

-- 
Jaime Vives Piqueres

La Persistencia de la Ignorancia
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Jaime Vives Piqueres <jai### [at] ignoranciaorg> wrote in
news:3d95b42a@news.povray.org 

> No. This is the typical complaint from someone with little artistic 
> perception.

It is nice, but artictic-merit image is IMHO nicer.

>> Sometimes I think that it would be good idea to have only a few
>> judges, but that realy use POV for many years and know it very well.
> You haven't read IRTC rules... too bad.

?

-- 
#macro g(U,V)(.4*abs(sin(9*sqrt(pow(x-U,2)+pow(y-V,2))))*pow(1-min(1,(sqrt(
pow(x-U,2)+pow(y-V,2))*.3)),2)+.9)#end#macro p(c)#if(c>1)#local l=mod(c,100
);g(2*div(l,10)-8,2*mod(l,10)-8)*p(div(c,100))#else 1#end#end light_source{
y 2}sphere{z*20 9pigment{function{p(26252423)*p(36455644)*p(66656463)}}}//M

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"Gilles Tran" <git### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in news:3d9570bc@news.povray.org

> For me it's simply the best picture.
> Its concept, composition and lighting are perfect and it has a soul
> most other pics don't have. Having more complex textures and objects
> could very well have ruined it.

Yes, but image has some basic 'mistakes' - like to low AA wisible i.e. on 
ladders.

-- 
#macro g(U,V)(.4*abs(sin(9*sqrt(pow(x-U,2)+pow(y-V,2))))*pow(1-min(1,(sqrt(
pow(x-U,2)+pow(y-V,2))*.3)),2)+.9)#end#macro p(c)#if(c>1)#local l=mod(c,100
);g(2*div(l,10)-8,2*mod(l,10)-8)*p(div(c,100))#else 1#end#end light_source{
y 2}sphere{z*20 9pigment{function{p(26252423)*p(36455644)*p(66656463)}}}//M

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Rafal 'Raf256' Maj wrote:
> "Gilles Tran" <git### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in news:3d9570bc@news.povray.org
>>For me it's simply the best picture.
>>Its concept, composition and lighting are perfect and it has a soul
>>most other pics don't have. Having more complex textures and objects
>>could very well have ruined it.
> Yes, but image has some basic 'mistakes' - like to low AA wisible i.e. on 
> ladders.

Antialiasing doth not an image make.  An unantialiased Gilles Tran
beats the pants off of anything I've done so far WITH antialiasing. ;)

BTW, that winning piece reminds me of the books in Chobits...hehe
'A City with No People'.

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"Rafal 'Raf256' Maj" <raf### [at] raf256com> wrote in message
news:Xns### [at] 204213191226...
> "Gilles Tran" <git### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in news:3d9570bc@news.povray.org
>
> > For me it's simply the best picture.
> > Its concept, composition and lighting are perfect and it has a soul
> > most other pics don't have. Having more complex textures and objects
> > could very well have ruined it.
>
> Yes, but image has some basic 'mistakes' - like to low AA wisible i.e. on
> ladders.
>

<:-)>
I am dumbstruck....
...someone is trying to tutor Gilles Tran in art composition
</:-)>

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On 28 Sep 2002 11:13:18 -0400 Rafal 'Raf256' Maj wrote:

>It is nice, but artictic-merit image is IMHO nicer.

  Hi, Rafal. As Jaime has already pointed out, we have the irtc.general
group on this news server that is more suited to this topic.

  Please re-direct follow-up messages to that group or irtc.stills,
thanks.

-- 
Alan
ako### [at] povrayorg
a k o n g <at> p o v r a y <dot> o r g

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Perhaps some of us gag on exhaustively photorealistic scenes.   Or scenes
that look like raytraced art attempting to be exhaustively photorealistic.

I didn't vote this round BTW.  (didn't enter.)

"Rafal 'Raf256' Maj" <raf### [at] raf256com> wrote in message
news:Xns### [at] 204213191226...
> Hello,
> about "Loneliness" stills round - imho 2nd, 3rd and artistic-merit images
> are *much* nicer then the 1st place image.

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