In article <pan### [at] moravia-itcom>, 
ger### [at] moravia-itcom says...

> I have all cookies enabled. But the problem is quite possibly on my side,
> especially if others are able to use the interface with Mozilla.

With cookies it works for me (Moz. RC2), without it works neither with 
Mozilla nor Opera, so I assumed that was you Problem, too. 

Lutz-Peter

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In article <3ce4516c@news.povray.org>, war### [at] tagpovrayorg says...

>   I think that it's a security measure. Something about avoiding systematic
> copying of the whole site.

Why should anyone want to do that?

Lutz-Peter

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Lutz-Peter Hooge wrote in message ...
>To the creators of the web-interface: Why is this config-page necessary
>anyway?
>IMO it should just display the newsgroups with the default settings if it
>doesn't find a cookie and have just an OPTIONAL link somewhere to the
>config-page.


This is to keep spammers from scanning the newsgroup web interface for
e-mail addresses.

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On Fri, 17 May 2002 05:18:07 +0200, Lutz-Peter Hooge <lpv### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> >   I think that it's a security measure. Something about avoiding systematic
> > copying of the whole site.
>
> Why should anyone want to do that?

to write copies on CD-ROM for off-line and easy navigation during travel ?
to sell off-line content with CG-magazines ?

ABX

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Mark Wagner <mar### [at] gtenet> wrote:
> Lutz-Peter Hooge wrote in message ...
>> To the creators of the web-interface: Why is this config-page
>> necessary anyway?
>> IMO it should just display the newsgroups with the default settings
>> if it doesn't find a cookie and have just an OPTIONAL link somewhere
>> to the config-page.
>
> This is to keep spammers from scanning the newsgroup web interface for
> e-mail addresses.

why go to all that trouble when they could just harvest directly from the
newsgroups


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"Rick [Kitty5]" <ric### [at] kitty5com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3ce4b647@news.povray.org...
> Mark Wagner <mar### [at] gtenet> wrote:
> > Lutz-Peter Hooge wrote in message ...
> >> To the creators of the web-interface: Why is this config-page
> >> necessary anyway?
> >> IMO it should just display the newsgroups with the default settings
> >> if it doesn't find a cookie and have just an OPTIONAL link somewhere
> >> to the config-page.
> >
> > This is to keep spammers from scanning the newsgroup web interface for
> > e-mail addresses.
>
> why go to all that trouble when they could just harvest directly from the
> newsgroups

It is trivial to find a web page that is linked from somewhere using the
same method search engines use (of course ignoring robots.txt).  And who
says these nnewsgroups are not protected in some way?  However, more
important is that few spammers find it worthwhile to search the web for
newsserver addresses to then search those newsservers.

Essentially you have to consider those who do email address collecting in
order to sell use use those addresses do so on a very large scale and use
automated tools.  However, with "intelligent" cookies and other tricks one
can keep most out and even those who manage to bypass the cookies will find
access to be so slow (if grabbing the whole site) that the server
administrator will notice and be able to take proper action.

    Thorsten Froehlich, POV-Team

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On Fri, 17 May 2002 08:21:43 +0100, "Rick [Kitty5]" <ric### [at] kitty5com> wrote:
> why go to all that trouble when they could just harvest directly from the
> newsgroups

that's too difficoult for some people
and html has nice browsers with bookmarks

ABX

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"Lutz-Peter Hooge" <lpv### [at] gmxde> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:MPG.174e6a9c62ca769c989701@news.povray.org...
> In article <pan### [at] moravia-itcom>,
> ger### [at] moravia-itcom says...
>
> > With the current Mozilla I can't even access the http news interface.
> >
> > The "Enter the newsgroups" button simply doesn't do a thing...
>
> Oh, it does. It tries to set a cookie, but fails since you disabled it,
> than tries to read it, fails, and redirects you back on the "Enter the
> Newsgroups" page... (at least thats what I think it does)

There used to be a welcome message that explained that cookies.
Unfortuantely that message was "lost" very recently and we have not yet
recovered a copy of it...

    Thorsten Froehlich, POV-Team

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> to write copies on CD-ROM for off-line and easy navigation during travel ?

All good newsreaders can do this as well.

Be advised that downloading lots of pages via a browser site archiving
feature is possible if it supports cookies, but it will be slower as the
number of page views per user and minute is limited (and locking the cookie
won't help).

    Thorsten

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On Fri, 17 May 2002 10:30:23 +0200, "Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde>
wrote:
> > to write copies on CD-ROM for off-line and easy navigation during travel ?
>
> All good newsreaders can do this as well.

yes, my newsreader can do this, but ask typical outlook user how he copy his
folder to different machine ? I suppose he usually download it from server
insted local copying

> Be advised that downloading lots of pages via a browser site archiving
> feature is possible if it supports cookies

sure, everything can be hacked,

ABX

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