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From: Chris Cason
Subject: That blank space at the top of the website pages
Date: 11 Jun 2021 04:27:13
Message: <60c31e61$1@news.povray.org>
The blank space at the top of the website pages was originally intended 
to hold image banners (for a short time we ran ads, but mostly it's been 
stuff I wanted to at the time promote or raise attention to; e.g. 
http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/candyfab or 
http://www.magnatune.com/info/openmusic.

However for a long time we've had nothing there (can't recall the exact 
reason but I think it was because the banner images I was using for the 
links were looking really dated, e.g. 
http://www.povray.org/i/ads/madscientist.gif).

I'd like to stop having the blank bit at the top as I think it's ugly 
(just IMO). This means either putting something there or re-designing 
the layout not to have it. The latter would be more work than it's 
probably worth, plus I think the blank can be put to good use as most 
sites nowadays have some sort of site-specific graphics or logo at the top.

Instead of having a standard smallish image there (typically these were 
under 470 pixels wide and under 70 pixels high) I could instead set a 
background image that either partially or fully fills the blank.

Width would need to be at least 2k pixels (unless its horizontally 
tileable or suited to being a single centered, left-aligned or 
right-aligned instance) and height no more than 72 pixels.

Possible candidates for this image would be a new site banner or logo 
that has the text e.g. 'Persistence of Vision Raytracer' or whatever; 
for this case, the text would need to be no wider than a reasonable 
minimum (say 800 pixels) so that it's still readable on smaller monitors 
without needing to be scaled. However the image as a whole can be 2k 
wide or thereabouts so as to fill any left-over space on wider monitors. 
  Ideally the background would be an attractive rendering or something.

Alternately it could just be some nice rendering without any text. In 
either case we can have multiple versions - one would be randomly chosen 
on each page load (or possibly per visit rather than per page).

Reason I'm posting here is that I've found it's not that easy to just 
take a 70-odd pixel high slice out of a 2k wide rendering that doesn't 
end up looking like crap, as most renderings are not intended to be seen 
that way.

So ... if anyone knows of something that might suit and/or is willing to 
have a stab at generating something that may work, I'm all ears. It 
doesn't have to be raytraced, though ideally it would be (at least for 
the background). Text can be composited on top in a graphics program (or 
I could just overlay it using HTML if we're not doing anything fancy).

Ideas?

-- Chris


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From: jr
Subject: Re: That blank space at the top of the website pages
Date: 11 Jun 2021 05:40:00
Message: <web.60c32f38365738b65e0fed26cde94f1@news.povray.org>
hi,

Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
> The blank space at the top of the website pages was originally intended
> to hold image banners ...
> Alternately it could just be some nice rendering without any text. ...
>
> Ideas?

ideas, yes, but no idea unfortunately re doable.  :-)

I recently ran WFP's real time render demo, and it occurs to me that perhaps the
"banner" could always be the last completed frame (of a POV-Ray real time
rendering on the same (?) server).


regards, jr.


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From: Mr
Subject: Re: That blank space at the top of the website pages
Date: 11 Jun 2021 16:20:00
Message: <web.60c3c4ca365738b66adeaecb3f378f2@news.povray.org>
Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
> The blank space at the top of the website pages was originally intended
> to hold image banners (for a short time we ran ads, but mostly it's been
> stuff I wanted to at the time promote or raise attention to; e.g.
> http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/candyfab or
> http://www.magnatune.com/info/openmusic.
>
> However for a long time we've had nothing there (can't recall the exact
> reason but I think it was because the banner images I was using for the
> links were looking really dated, e.g.
> http://www.povray.org/i/ads/madscientist.gif).
>
> I'd like to stop having the blank bit at the top as I think it's ugly
> (just IMO). This means either putting something there or re-designing
> the layout not to have it. The latter would be more work than it's
> probably worth, plus I think the blank can be put to good use as most
> sites nowadays have some sort of site-specific graphics or logo at the top.
>
> Instead of having a standard smallish image there (typically these were
> under 470 pixels wide and under 70 pixels high) I could instead set a
> background image that either partially or fully fills the blank.
>
> Width would need to be at least 2k pixels (unless its horizontally
> tileable or suited to being a single centered, left-aligned or
> right-aligned instance) and height no more than 72 pixels.
>
> Possible candidates for this image would be a new site banner or logo
> that has the text e.g. 'Persistence of Vision Raytracer' or whatever;
> for this case, the text would need to be no wider than a reasonable
> minimum (say 800 pixels) so that it's still readable on smaller monitors
> without needing to be scaled. However the image as a whole can be 2k
> wide or thereabouts so as to fill any left-over space on wider monitors.
>   Ideally the background would be an attractive rendering or something.
>
> Alternately it could just be some nice rendering without any text. In
> either case we can have multiple versions - one would be randomly chosen
> on each page load (or possibly per visit rather than per page).
>
> Reason I'm posting here is that I've found it's not that easy to just
> take a 70-odd pixel high slice out of a 2k wide rendering that doesn't
> end up looking like crap, as most renderings are not intended to be seen
> that way.
>
> So ... if anyone knows of something that might suit and/or is willing to
> have a stab at generating something that may work, I'm all ears. It
> doesn't have to be raytraced, though ideally it would be (at least for
> the background). Text can be composited on top in a graphics program (or
> I could just overlay it using HTML if we're not doing anything fancy).
>
> Ideas?
>
> -- Chris


Hi, could the Christoph Hormann's Landscape of the week project sources be
adapted to render from todays pov and be set to a very wide format, then the POV
file for the scene could even be linked to when clicking ? I believe such
landscapes will always play nice and look even more detailed on such a
panoramascope than usual framings.


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: That blank space at the top of the website pages
Date: 11 Jun 2021 18:55:00
Message: <web.60c3e991365738b61f9dae3025979125@news.povray.org>
Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:

> Ideas?
>
> -- Chris

0. "WELCOME BACK CLIPKA!!!"
1. Some simple cropped images from the HOF.
2. Historical images from the IRTC
3. Adapted illustrations from the documentation
4. Selected adapted images from the pbi section
5. "Developers wanted..."
6. Hold a contest once a month, quarterly, etc. depending on number of
qualifying submissions.

(Been a while since I've messed with anything like this, but will the server
allow / browser render an animated gif, png, etc format?)

-- Bill


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From: Chris Cason
Subject: Re: That blank space at the top of the website pages
Date: 11 Jun 2021 20:26:58
Message: <60c3ff52@news.povray.org>
On 12/06/2021 06:17, Mr wrote:
> Hi, could the Christoph Hormann's Landscape of the week project sources be
> adapted to render from todays pov and be set to a very wide format, then the POV
> file for the scene could even be linked to when clicking ? I believe such
> landscapes will always play nice and look even more detailed on such a
> panoramascope than usual framings.

I can't answer whether it could be adapted to render a good-looking 
image of the required dimensions - perhaps someone could experiment with 
this?

Aside from that, though, yes it could link to the scene file, and 
potentially even render the scenes directly on the server.

-- Chris


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: That blank space at the top of the website pages
Date: 12 Jun 2021 02:23:35
Message: <60c452e7$1@news.povray.org>
Op 11/06/2021 om 10:26 schreef Chris Cason:
> I'd like to stop having the blank bit at the top as I think it's ugly 
> (just IMO). 
> 
> Ideas?
> 

I am probably an exception here, but I /like/ that blank bit. Too often 
I come to sites that are overcrowded by all kind of images, animations, 
ads. They distract from the reasons /why/ you come to the site in the 
first place. Keep things crisp is my advice.

-- 
Thomas


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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: That blank space at the top of the website pages
Date: 19 Jun 2021 19:53:45
Message: <60ce8389$1@news.povray.org>
Dumb idea off the top of my head:

Have scrolling messages up there using large old time-y dot matrix font. 
(Purple of course.)

What messages though? Recent newsgroup thread titles?


Other ideas: put a Flickr or Facebook feed somewhere on the front page?


Mike


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