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About how much would it cost to rent a server or cluster just for
POV-Ray? Is the rate usually an hourly one? Does anyone have experience
in this? Thanks.
Mike
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On 1/15/2016 10:36 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> About how much would it cost to rent a server or cluster just for
> POV-Ray? Is the rate usually an hourly one? Does anyone have experience
> in this? Thanks.
>
>
> Mike
There are two services listed here:
http://rentrender.com/pov-ray-render-farms/
The first one is in German, so I don't know what the rates are. The
second one is kind of expensive at 25 cents per GHz/h. Google also lists
this:
https://us.rebusfarm.net/en/company/render-farm-specs
This one is more affordable at 3.2 cents per GHz/hr, but does not list
POV-Ray support.
Mike
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Am 17.01.2016 um 20:46 schrieb Mike Horvath:
> There are two services listed here:
>
> http://rentrender.com/pov-ray-render-farms/
>
> The first one is in German, so I don't know what the rates are.
This is their pricing table:
https://www.prorender.de/renderservice-renderserver-rendermodul-renderfarm-online-miete-preistabelle.html
The table data should be pretty self-explanatory; each sub-table's first
row gives you a base price for the slowest CPU clock speed at different
main memory sizes they provide, while subsequent rows specify how much
you have to pay extra for CPUs with a faster clock.
Prices are given in EUR-cent per minute (i.e. their lowest price,
currently "0,54Cent/min", is presumably 0.0054 EUR/min), without VAT
(expect 19%). Given the current exchange rate, add a few % to the
EUR-cent figure to get the price in USD-cent.
At the end of the table there's some additional information you have to
take into account:
- Prices are valid for a use of up to 7 days; if you use their service
for a longer duration, you pay less.
- Additional fees apply once per render node: 25 EUR for basic
configuration (I'd presume they don't let you do that yourself), 15 EUR
for software installation (I'd presume they give you the option to
install the software yourself), and if you need backups you'll have to
pay 20 EUR per node for creation and archival, and an additional 20 EUR
if you ever need to have the system restored from a backup.
> The second one is kind of expensive at 25 cents per GHz/h.
That would depend on whether the GHz they sell is per core, or "virtual"
GHz per CPU. That German service starts out at about 15 cents per
CPU-GHz/h, or approx. 2 cents per HT-Core-GHz/h.
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On 1/17/2016 5:13 PM, clipka wrote:
> This is their pricing table:
>
>
https://www.prorender.de/renderservice-renderserver-rendermodul-renderfarm-online-miete-preistabelle.html
>
> The table data should be pretty self-explanatory; each sub-table's first
> row gives you a base price for the slowest CPU clock speed at different
> main memory sizes they provide, while subsequent rows specify how much
> you have to pay extra for CPUs with a faster clock.
>
> Prices are given in EUR-cent per minute (i.e. their lowest price,
> currently "0,54Cent/min", is presumably 0.0054 EUR/min), without VAT
> (expect 19%). Given the current exchange rate, add a few % to the
> EUR-cent figure to get the price in USD-cent.
>
> At the end of the table there's some additional information you have to
> take into account:
>
> - Prices are valid for a use of up to 7 days; if you use their service
> for a longer duration, you pay less.
>
> - Additional fees apply once per render node: 25 EUR for basic
> configuration (I'd presume they don't let you do that yourself), 15 EUR
> for software installation (I'd presume they give you the option to
> install the software yourself), and if you need backups you'll have to
> pay 20 EUR per node for creation and archival, and an additional 20 EUR
> if you ever need to have the system restored from a backup.
>
>> The second one is kind of expensive at 25 cents per GHz/h.
>
> That would depend on whether the GHz they sell is per core, or "virtual"
> GHz per CPU. That German service starts out at about 15 cents per
> CPU-GHz/h, or approx. 2 cents per HT-Core-GHz/h.
>
Those setup and configuration prices are the real deal-breakers for me,
but the other rates are kind of high. For instance, my processor is
almost 4GHz and has 4 cores, and my latest scene took 16 hours to
render. So at 25 cents and 1Ghz with 1 core it would take (roughly) 16
times as long, or 256 GHz-hours, or $64 total, not including setup fees.
That's not worth the price for me.
I don't understand what you mean by "virtual" GHz.
Mike
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On 1/15/2016 10:36 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> About how much would it cost to rent a server or cluster just for
> POV-Ray? Is the rate usually an hourly one? Does anyone have experience
> in this? Thanks.
What is it you'll be wanting to do?
(Ignore the email. I didn't realize in Thunderbird there is a difference
between "Reply" and "Followup"
dik
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On 1/17/2016 10:26 PM, dick balaska wrote:
> On 1/15/2016 10:36 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
>> About how much would it cost to rent a server or cluster just for
>> POV-Ray? Is the rate usually an hourly one? Does anyone have experience
>> in this? Thanks.
>
> What is it you'll be wanting to do?
>
> (Ignore the email. I didn't realize in Thunderbird there is a difference
> between "Reply" and "Followup"
>
> dik
>
>
I have a scene that simply takes too long to render. (15+ hours even
without reflections or media.) I want to use my computer for other stuff
while it renders.
Mike
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Am 18.01.2016 um 05:25 schrieb Mike Horvath:
> I have a scene that simply takes too long to render. (15+ hours even
> without reflections or media.) I want to use my computer for other stuff
> while it renders.
You /can/ run POV-Ray in ways to not eat up all your CPU time; of course
it will then take even longer, but you should be able to do other stuff
besides.
You'll want to use the "+WTn" command-line option, where n is the number
of CPU cores you are willing to dedicate to POV-Ray.
Alternatively you can use the task manager to reduce the process
priority of POV-Ray.
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On 1/15/2016 10:36 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> About how much would it cost to rent a server or cluster just for
> POV-Ray? Is the rate usually an hourly one? Does anyone have experience
> in this? Thanks.
>
>
> Mike
I just got a response back from rebusfarm.net. They do not support POV-Ray.
Mike
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On 1/18/2016 12:34 AM, clipka wrote:
> Am 18.01.2016 um 05:25 schrieb Mike Horvath:
>
>> I have a scene that simply takes too long to render. (15+ hours even
>> without reflections or media.) I want to use my computer for other stuff
>> while it renders.
>
> You /can/ run POV-Ray in ways to not eat up all your CPU time; of course
> it will then take even longer, but you should be able to do other stuff
> besides.
>
> You'll want to use the "+WTn" command-line option, where n is the number
> of CPU cores you are willing to dedicate to POV-Ray.
>
> Alternatively you can use the task manager to reduce the process
> priority of POV-Ray.
>
That is a good tip. By running several intances of POV-Ray I was also
able to render other smaller scenes while my larger and longer scene
chugs away in the background. It's sad though, because I would be
willing to pay a small fee if it also means my scene gets rendered in
less time overall (which should be possible on a render farm). Maybe too
small of a fee to keep companies like these afloat. :(
The latest iteration of my colony ship scene has been running all week
and is almost done. But the next iteration is going to take a lot longer.
Mike
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On 1/15/2016 10:36 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> About how much would it cost to rent a server or cluster just for
> POV-Ray? Is the rate usually an hourly one? Does anyone have experience
> in this? Thanks.
>
>
> Mike
I got a email reply from FoxRenderfarm also. They do not support POV-Ray.
Mike
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I found this:
http://blog.megafaunasoft.com/2015/02/worlds-cheapest-render-farm.html
However, you are limited to 60 seconds of render time (or what happens?)
and you have to use node.js (what is it?).
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On 01/15/2016 10:36 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> About how much would it cost to rent a server or cluster just for
> POV-Ray? Is the rate usually an hourly one? Does anyone have experience
> in this? Thanks.
>
>
> Mike
Hi Mike,
Have you seen this thread in the news group?
http://news.povray.org/povray.general/thread/%3Cweb.4fcd1a5e61bffe2de3f6250f0@news.povray.org%3E/
Here "cloud rendering" is not to be confused with POV-Ray's rendering of
clouds. :-)
Folks have done it as you'll see in the thread. I have only a couple
times started to investigate the possibility - always getting side
tracked before trying. The Amazon web services spot prices look
reasonably cheap to me, but they are variable.
Bill P.
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On 1/28/2016 10:40 PM, William F Pokorny wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Have you seen this thread in the news group?
>
>
http://news.povray.org/povray.general/thread/%3Cweb.4fcd1a5e61bffe2de3f6250f0@news.povray.org%3E/
>
>
> Here "cloud rendering" is not to be confused with POV-Ray's rendering of
> clouds. :-)
>
> Folks have done it as you'll see in the thread. I have only a couple
> times started to investigate the possibility - always getting side
> tracked before trying. The Amazon web services spot prices look
> reasonably cheap to me, but they are variable.
>
> Bill P.
Thanks for the tip. I read through the tutorial you linked to
https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/compute/better-together-amazon-ecs-and-aws-lambda/
and this:
https://github.com/awslabs/lambda-ecs-worker-pattern
but still don't understand what to do. For instance, the instructions
don't mention whether you have to install POV-Ray on the VM yourself, or
if it comes pre-installed.
It is all very complex.
Mike
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On 1/29/2016 12:33 AM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 1/28/2016 10:40 PM, William F Pokorny wrote:
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Have you seen this thread in the news group?
>>
>>
http://news.povray.org/povray.general/thread/%3Cweb.4fcd1a5e61bffe2de3f6250f0@news.povray.org%3E/
>>
>>
>>
>> Here "cloud rendering" is not to be confused with POV-Ray's rendering of
>> clouds. :-)
>>
>> Folks have done it as you'll see in the thread. I have only a couple
>> times started to investigate the possibility - always getting side
>> tracked before trying. The Amazon web services spot prices look
>> reasonably cheap to me, but they are variable.
>>
>> Bill P.
>
> Thanks for the tip. I read through the tutorial you linked to
>
> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/compute/better-together-amazon-ecs-and-aws-lambda/
>
>
> and this:
>
> https://github.com/awslabs/lambda-ecs-worker-pattern
>
> but still don't understand what to do. For instance, the instructions
> don't mention whether you have to install POV-Ray on the VM yourself, or
> if it comes pre-installed.
>
> It is all very complex.
>
>
> Mike
Also, do I need to be running Linux on my local machine in order to
follow the tutorial?
Mike
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On 01/29/2016 12:40 AM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 1/29/2016 12:33 AM, Mike Horvath wrote:
>> On 1/28/2016 10:40 PM, William F Pokorny wrote:
>>>...
>> Thanks for the tip. I read through the tutorial you linked to
>>
>> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/compute/better-together-amazon-ecs-and-aws-lambda/
>>
>> and this:
>>
>> https://github.com/awslabs/lambda-ecs-worker-pattern
>>
>> but still don't understand what to do. For instance, the instructions
>> don't mention whether you have to install POV-Ray on the VM yourself, or
>> if it comes pre-installed.
>>
>> It is all very complex.
>>
>> Mike
>
> Also, do I need to be running Linux on my local machine in order to
> follow the tutorial?
>
> Mike
:-) Please remember, in me, you are asking someone who hasn't yet done
it himself.
Firstly, I am not aware of any canned, off the shelf, solution ready to
run POV-Ray on a render farm / in the cloud. If that is what you want,
the thread I pointed out isn't the path. If you find a canned solution,
you are likely to pay extra for the work others have done to provide
such a service.
Yes, a VM with POV-Ray installed would need to be created. The most
useful part of the AWS article/tutorial - which is mostly about other
AWS features - is the section showing how to do this VM set up for
Ubuntu 14.04 with POV-Ray.
I don't believe you need to be running linux locally.
Bill P.
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On 1/29/2016 8:57 AM, William F Pokorny wrote:
>The most
> useful part of the AWS article/tutorial - which is mostly about other
> AWS features - is the section showing how to do this VM set up for
> Ubuntu 14.04 with POV-Ray.
Where does it say this? I must have overlooked it.
Mike
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On 1/29/2016 10:43 AM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 1/29/2016 8:57 AM, William F Pokorny wrote:
>> The most
>> useful part of the AWS article/tutorial - which is mostly about other
>> AWS features - is the section showing how to do this VM set up for
>> Ubuntu 14.04 with POV-Ray.
>
> Where does it say this? I must have overlooked it.
>
>
> Mike
>
Also, are you charged for the time it takes to set up the VM?
Mike
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On 01/29/2016 10:56 AM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 1/29/2016 10:43 AM, Mike Horvath wrote:
>> On 1/29/2016 8:57 AM, William F Pokorny wrote:
>>> The most
>>> useful part of the AWS article/tutorial - which is mostly about other
>>> AWS features - is the section showing how to do this VM set up for
>>> Ubuntu 14.04 with POV-Ray.
>>
>> Where does it say this? I must have overlooked it.
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> Also, are you charged for the time it takes to set up the VM?
>
> Mike
I don't know. The answers are out there somewhere. :-)
If I again get interested & successfully work through it myself, I'll
post my experience.
Likewise, if you get something going or find a ready cloud service for
POV-Ray rendering, please let us know.
Bill P.
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I have contacted two render farm services and told them about POV-Ray.
They might install it, they say. Let's see.
But my advise is, to encourage any render farm you meet to enable
POV-Ray rendering, too.
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