Just a heads up, that I did some cleanup over on the Wiki. A while back 
the reference section was moved to it's own namespace. For example 
Documentation:Agate Pattern was moved to Reference:Agate Pattern ... the 
cleanup just removed the now duplicate files in the Documentation 
namespace, so if anyone notices any irregularities please let me know.

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On 24-6-2013 22:24, James Holsenback wrote:
> Just a heads up, that I did some cleanup over on the Wiki. A while back
> the reference section was moved to it's own namespace. For example
> Documentation:Agate Pattern was moved to Reference:Agate Pattern ... the
> cleanup just removed the now duplicate files in the Documentation
> namespace, so if anyone notices any irregularities please let me know.

Seems ok.

Something I have wanted to ask about for a while: the font size is very 
small, especially the green ones. For the younger people this might not 
be a problem, but for older ones like me, they give serious trouble with 
reading ;-)

At least, why not make the green text of the same font size as the rest 
of the document?

Thomas

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On 06/26/2013 07:46 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 24-6-2013 22:24, James Holsenback wrote:
>> Just a heads up, that I did some cleanup over on the Wiki. A while back
>> the reference section was moved to it's own namespace. For example
>> Documentation:Agate Pattern was moved to Reference:Agate Pattern ... the
>> cleanup just removed the now duplicate files in the Documentation
>> namespace, so if anyone notices any irregularities please let me know.
>
> Seems ok.
>
> Something I have wanted to ask about for a while: the font size is very
> small, especially the green ones. For the younger people this might not
> be a problem, but for older ones like me, they give serious trouble with
> reading ;-)
>
> At least, why not make the green text of the same font size as the rest
> of the document?
>
> Thomas

In the html version the font size is dependent on what browser default 
size is set ... Ctrl + makes it bigger Ctrl - makes it smaller Ctrl . 
resets to default. Does windoze version have similar?

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On 27-6-2013 4:45, James Holsenback wrote:
> In the html version the font size is dependent on what browser default
> size is set ... Ctrl + makes it bigger Ctrl - makes it smaller Ctrl .
> resets to default. Does windoze version have similar?

Yes it has. I had not been aware of this ;-)

Thanks Jim.

Thomas

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James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
> Just a heads up, that I did some cleanup over on the Wiki. A while back
> the reference section was moved to it's own namespace. For example
> Documentation:Agate Pattern was moved to Reference:Agate Pattern ... the
> cleanup just removed the now duplicate files in the Documentation
> namespace, so if anyone notices any irregularities please let me know.

Hi Jim,

what really needs a cleanup is the link-collection. A lot of them are down, may
be some of them moved and others were changed over the years and have no
POV-content any longer since their author switched to Autodesk. At the moment
POV is occupied at both of my machines - the Suse as well as the Windoze (typo?)
one - searching for more realistic pyroclastic flows around Mt. Rainier using
Rune's particle system so I have a little time to lend a hand with this issue.
Unfortunatelly I cannot find the "`create accound"' option at the POV-Wiki. As
it seems this option is deactivated due to spam bots.

Best regards,
Michael

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On 06/27/2013 03:24 PM, MichaelJF wrote:
> James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
>> Just a heads up, that I did some cleanup over on the Wiki. A while back
>> the reference section was moved to it's own namespace. For example
>> Documentation:Agate Pattern was moved to Reference:Agate Pattern ... the
>> cleanup just removed the now duplicate files in the Documentation
>> namespace, so if anyone notices any irregularities please let me know.
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> what really needs a cleanup is the link-collection. A lot of them are down, may
> be some of them moved and others were changed over the years and have no
> POV-content any longer since their author switched to Autodesk. At the moment
> POV is occupied at both of my machines - the Suse as well as the Windoze (typo?)
> one - searching for more realistic pyroclastic flows around Mt. Rainier using
> Rune's particle system so I have a little time to lend a hand with this issue.
> Unfortunatelly I cannot find the "`create accound"' option at the POV-Wiki. As
> it seems this option is deactivated due to spam bots.
>
> Best regards,
> Michael
>
>

A while back someone was actively working on resolving some of the sites 
that (like you pointed out) had moved or gone away. I'm not sure how far 
they had gotten with that effort. I'd have to check, but IIRC he'd made 
/some/ progress. The user "Mr" posts here from time to time .. he's the 
chap that maintains the Blender->POV exporter. Perhaps he will notice 
this thread and fill us in on where he stopped. Something I remember 
about his effort that he was able to find some of the disappeared sites 
on some archive site ... waybackmachine or something like that. At any 
rate I can create accounts, but would have to classify that as low 
priority. Since I'm not someone who turns done help I /might/ be able to 
get to it later next week. Still interested?

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James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
> On 06/27/2013 03:24 PM, MichaelJF wrote:
> > James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
> >> Just a heads up, that I did some cleanup over on the Wiki. A while back
> >> the reference section was moved to it's own namespace. For example
> >> Documentation:Agate Pattern was moved to Reference:Agate Pattern ... the
> >> cleanup just removed the now duplicate files in the Documentation
> >> namespace, so if anyone notices any irregularities please let me know.
> >
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > what really needs a cleanup is the link-collection. A lot of them are down, may
> > be some of them moved and others were changed over the years and have no
> > POV-content any longer since their author switched to Autodesk. At the moment
> > POV is occupied at both of my machines - the Suse as well as the Windoze (typo?)
> > one - searching for more realistic pyroclastic flows around Mt. Rainier using
> > Rune's particle system so I have a little time to lend a hand with this issue.
> > Unfortunatelly I cannot find the "`create accound"' option at the POV-Wiki. As
> > it seems this option is deactivated due to spam bots.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Michael
> >
> >
>
> A while back someone was actively working on resolving some of the sites
> that (like you pointed out) had moved or gone away. I'm not sure how far
> they had gotten with that effort. I'd have to check, but IIRC he'd made
> /some/ progress. The user "Mr" posts here from time to time .. he's the
> chap that maintains the Blender->POV exporter. Perhaps he will notice
> this thread and fill us in on where he stopped. Something I remember
> about his effort that he was able to find some of the disappeared sites
> on some archive site ... waybackmachine or something like that. At any
> rate I can create accounts, but would have to classify that as low
> priority. Since I'm not someone who turns done help I /might/ be able to
> get to it later next week. Still interested?


Hi!
I have not given up but it's been a while since I haven't worked on it:
So far, I have done entirely with all their subsections:


    3D Animation Utilities

    3D Image and Texture Resources

    3D Magazines, Lists, and FAQs

    3D Programs


What remains:


    3D Discussion Forums

    3D Link Sites

    3D Model Sites

    3D Prototyping

    3D Resources

    3D Tutorials

    POV-Ray Include, Macro and Object Files

    POV-Ray People Pages

What help I would like: a first pass from someone who would not delete any link,
but just correct the ones obvious like when the name or directory tree has
changed a little but the site and/or content still exists at the same host or
otherwise if possible linked by its original author. When in doubt do nothing.

For the deleting of dead link, I'd rather do that myself after I triple checked
that the Internet Time Machine; reocities and other such archeological tools ALL
fail (that way I managed to declare officially dead less than 5 or 10 links over
the sections mentioned in which hundreds were failing. So If you find one just
leave it as it is. The rest that you'll have done will speed up my finding it.

I hope this is not too directive? in any case, if you happen to finish that pass
get in touch with me via the discussion page my wiki account is Maurice.
Thanks a lot for your help

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> A while back someone was actively working on resolving some of the sites
> that (like you pointed out) had moved or gone away. I'm not sure how far
> they had gotten with that effort. I'd have to check, but IIRC he'd made
> /some/ progress. The user "Mr" posts here from time to time .. he's the
> chap that maintains the Blender->POV exporter. Perhaps he will notice
> this thread and fill us in on where he stopped. Something I remember
> about his effort that he was able to find some of the disappeared sites
> on some archive site ... waybackmachine or something like that. At any
> rate I can create accounts, but would have to classify that as low
> priority. Since I'm not someone who turns done help I /might/ be able to
> get to it later next week. Still interested?

Yes, there will be other evenings with long time renderings. No need to hurry...

I looked through the discussion pages and it seems that the user "Maurice" has
worked through the "Animation Utilities", "Image and Texture Resources",
"Magazines, Lists, and FAQs" and "Programs". At "Resources" he left an entry to
start there next time. This was 11. December 2011. All other discussion pages
are empty.

Ah, while writing this response, Mr (aka Maurice) gave an answer and confirmed
the findings above. Seems I have to learn more about the time machines. In the
past I found only two lost resources at such machines by simply googling for
them. But I looked only for ones I was really interested in. There are some
details in Maurice's "directives" I didn't comprehend - may be lost to
translation and the reason why it took so long to answer - and I still need an
account at the POV-Wiki.

I propose to communicate in private about both issues. My email is
mi-friedrichs317t-online.de. Please replace the 317 by @. Today I will withdraw
into RL but will answer tomorrow.

Best regards,
Michael

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"MichaelJF" <mi-### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> > A while back someone was actively working on resolving some of the sites
> > that (like you pointed out) had moved or gone away. I'm not sure how far
> > they had gotten with that effort. I'd have to check, but IIRC he'd made
> > /some/ progress. The user "Mr" posts here from time to time .. he's the
> > chap that maintains the Blender->POV exporter. Perhaps he will notice
> > this thread and fill us in on where he stopped. Something I remember
> > about his effort that he was able to find some of the disappeared sites
> > on some archive site ... waybackmachine or something like that. At any
> > rate I can create accounts, but would have to classify that as low
> > priority. Since I'm not someone who turns done help I /might/ be able to
> > get to it later next week. Still interested?
>
> Yes, there will be other evenings with long time renderings. No need to hurry...
>
> I looked through the discussion pages and it seems that the user "Maurice" has
> worked through the "Animation Utilities", "Image and Texture Resources",
> "Magazines, Lists, and FAQs" and "Programs". At "Resources" he left an entry to
> start there next time. This was 11. December 2011. All other discussion pages
> are empty.
>
> Ah, while writing this response, Mr (aka Maurice) gave an answer and confirmed
> the findings above. Seems I have to learn more about the time machines. In the
> past I found only two lost resources at such machines by simply googling for
> them. But I looked only for ones I was really interested in. There are some
> details in Maurice's "directives" I didn't comprehend - may be lost to
> translation and the reason why it took so long to answer - and I still need an
> account at the POV-Wiki.
>
> I propose to communicate in private about both issues. My email is
> mi-friedrichs317t-online.de. Please replace the 317 by @. Today I will withdraw
> into RL but will answer tomorrow.
>
> Best regards,
> Michael

I considered your answers a while and decided to withdraw from my offer to help
here. I hope, we are a community here and no one has to give "directives" as mr
tried.

Best regards,
Michael

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On 06/28/2013 02:40 PM, MichaelJF wrote:
> I considered your answers a while and decided to withdraw from my offer to help
> here. I hope, we are a community here and no one has to give "directives" as mr
> tried.

Well I think Maurice is a pretty reasonable fellow and I'm sure he 
didn't mean it as it was taken ... I think partly to blame here as I 
felt the methodical approach was best. He was working under my guidance, 
so perhaps if I step back and let you two hash it out you might reconsider.

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James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
> On 06/28/2013 02:40 PM, MichaelJF wrote:
> > I considered your answers a while and decided to withdraw from my offer to help
> > here. I hope, we are a community here and no one has to give "directives" as mr
> > tried.
>
> Well I think Maurice is a pretty reasonable fellow and I'm sure he
> didn't mean it as it was taken ... I think partly to blame here as I
> felt the methodical approach was best. He was working under my guidance,
> so perhaps if I step back and let you two hash it out you might reconsider.

Hi Jim,

yes I will reconsider. But I have some remarks. First: within a Wiki every user
has to have the same rights. That is one of the central ideas of Wikis. No one
has to give directives to others. If a user changed an entry usually he gives a
comment at the discussion page and another user can restore the changes (and
comment about it at the discussion page as well).

And I think that not every link is really worth to be restored by every costs.
You have to look at the content. Some are redundant or trivial or covered by
other entries, or simply outdated by newer and better approaches to a topic.
E.g. Sonyas trees were fine at the time she posted it, but nowadays we have
Arbaro, POV-Tree and other tools to create trees, which are much better. Why
preserve the old link? And do efforts to find it? Or for the 3D models section.
There you can simply eliminate links since there are a lot of new ones giving
other free models.

And... I think you know that I'm not a rookie, who offered help here.

Best regards,
Michael

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On 06/29/2013 01:35 PM, MichaelJF wrote:
> James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
>> On 06/28/2013 02:40 PM, MichaelJF wrote:
>>> I considered your answers a while and decided to withdraw from my offer to help
>>> here. I hope, we are a community here and no one has to give "directives" as mr
>>> tried.
>>
>> Well I think Maurice is a pretty reasonable fellow and I'm sure he
>> didn't mean it as it was taken ... I think partly to blame here as I
>> felt the methodical approach was best. He was working under my guidance,
>> so perhaps if I step back and let you two hash it out you might reconsider.
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> yes I will reconsider. But I have some remarks. First: within a Wiki every user
> has to have the same rights. That is one of the central ideas of Wikis. No one
> has to give directives to others. If a user changed an entry usually he gives a
> comment at the discussion page and another user can restore the changes (and
> comment about it at the discussion page as well).
>
> And I think that not every link is really worth to be restored by every costs.
> You have to look at the content. Some are redundant or trivial or covered by
> other entries, or simply outdated by newer and better approaches to a topic.
> E.g. Sonyas trees were fine at the time she posted it, but nowadays we have
> Arbaro, POV-Tree and other tools to create trees, which are much better. Why
> preserve the old link? And do efforts to find it? Or for the 3D models section.
> There you can simply eliminate links since there are a lot of new ones giving
> other free models.
>
> And... I think you know that I'm not a rookie, who offered help here.
>
> Best regards,
> Michael
>
>
First off let me begin by saying that the lesson in wiki concepts, rules 
and best practices was unnecessary, however I will say that I can't find 
fault with a single thing that you've said ... on a traditional Wiki all 
those things and more apply. As for the POV-Wiki, the documentation and 
the links list are the source for other processes, and as such there 
have been rules imposed for good reasons. Other area's more closely 
conform to your aforementioned idea(s) of what a Wiki should be like.

As for the merits of chasing a dead link or not ... me personally I'd be 
inclined to cut my losses after only a short search, but I can't find 
fault with someone who'd give the extra effort.

The more I think about it the more I just don't understand why you feel 
like you can't contribute under those conditions.

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On 6/29/2013 11:28 PM, James Holsenback wrote:
> The more I think about it the more I just don't understand why you feel
> like you can't contribute under those conditions.

And I can't understand why anyone would bother to pursue this with
someone who obviously gets WAY too upset over trivial issues so easily.

In the long run you're probably saving yourself a lot of hassle and
drama by just letting him go.

Todd

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James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
> On 06/28/2013 02:40 PM, MichaelJF wrote:
> > I considered your answers a while and decided to withdraw from my offer to help
> > here. I hope, we are a community here and no one has to give "directives" as mr
> > tried.
>
> Well I think Maurice is a pretty reasonable fellow and I'm sure he
> didn't mean it as it was taken ... I think partly to blame here as I
> felt the methodical approach was best. He was working under my guidance,
> so perhaps if I step back and let you two hash it out you might reconsider.


My point was really to make sure  we wouldn't loose anything unnecessary:
provided dead links are kind of tagged instead of deleted; anybody can do
anything he pleases in joyous anarchy.
take care

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Hi all,

first of all I will apologize. I didn't intended to upset you. And I didn't
wanted to tell a lesson about wikis. I wanted an explanation why the POV-Wiki
has other rules as the Wikipedia e.g. so I tried to describe the differences. It
was not intended as a lesson about wikis. I was unaware of the fact that the
link-list of the POV-Wiki is a source for other processes (I assume it will be
synced with the original POV-site?) completely. That explains all and I have no
problems to accept this. But I had no idea about this so far.

To be more constructive. I was not lazy the last hours and worked through nearly
all the links Maurice has left (the 3d resources and half of the include files
is missing so far, but I have visited all other links - from the macro and
object files up to the peoples pages. I have the odd habit to start bottom up.).
I regained a lot of the broken ones by the "wayback machine" but not all.

But for the moment I only scribbeled it down to outprints of the link lists and
it will take a week to have it in a form I can present you, I fear.

Best regards,
Michael

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On 06/30/2013 03:51 PM, MichaelJF wrote:
> first of all I will apologize. I didn't intended to upset you.

LOL ... I had this really clever retort, but I'm just going to settle 
for no one upset here ... least-wise not me!

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"MichaelJF" <mi-### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> first of all I will apologize. I didn't intended to upset you. And I didn't
> wanted to tell a lesson about wikis. I wanted an explanation why the POV-Wiki
> has other rules as the Wikipedia e.g. so I tried to describe the differences. It
> was not intended as a lesson about wikis. I was unaware of the fact that the
> link-list of the POV-Wiki is a source for other processes (I assume it will be
> synced with the original POV-site?) completely. That explains all and I have no
> problems to accept this. But I had no idea about this so far.
>
> To be more constructive. I was not lazy the last hours and worked through nearly
> all the links Maurice has left (the 3d resources and half of the include files
> is missing so far, but I have visited all other links - from the macro and
> object files up to the peoples pages. I have the odd habit to start bottom up.).
> I regained a lot of the broken ones by the "wayback machine" but not all.
>
> But for the moment I only scribbeled it down to outprints of the link lists and
> it will take a week to have it in a form I can present you, I fear.
>
> Best regards,
> Michael

Thanks a lot for your help.

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James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
> On 06/26/2013 07:46 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> > Something I have wanted to ask about for a while: the font size is very
> > small, especially the green ones. For the younger people this might not
> > be a problem, but for older ones like me, they give serious trouble with
> > reading ;-)
> >
> > At least, why not make the green text of the same font size as the rest
> > of the document?
>
> In the html version the font size is dependent on what browser default
> size is set ... Ctrl + makes it bigger Ctrl - makes it smaller Ctrl .
> resets to default. Does windoze version have similar?

In all my browsers except Opera, the monospace text is much tinier than the
regular text.  Inspect element doesn't show anything untoward in the style
sheets, so I suspect that there is some common browser default that sets
monospace smaller than regular.  This differential is present regardless of how
many times you press Ctrl +.

The text is exactly the same size in Opera.  I have tweaked my Opera setup over
the years, and I do remember messing with the monospace font size, so that
/might/ explain why Opera is different for me.

I have posted some screen shots to p.b.i.

Web browsers: Chrome, Firefox, Konqueror, and Opera.
Operating system: openSUSE 12.2 Linux/KDE.

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On 07/04/2013 02:17 PM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
>> On 06/26/2013 07:46 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> Something I have wanted to ask about for a while: the font size is very
>>> small, especially the green ones. For the younger people this might not
>>> be a problem, but for older ones like me, they give serious trouble with
>>> reading ;-)
>>>
>>> At least, why not make the green text of the same font size as the rest
>>> of the document?
>>
>> In the html version the font size is dependent on what browser default
>> size is set ... Ctrl + makes it bigger Ctrl - makes it smaller Ctrl .
>> resets to default. Does windoze version have similar?
>
> In all my browsers except Opera, the monospace text is much tinier than the
> regular text.  Inspect element doesn't show anything untoward in the style
> sheets, so I suspect that there is some common browser default that sets
> monospace smaller than regular.  This differential is present regardless of how
> many times you press Ctrl +.
>
> The text is exactly the same size in Opera.  I have tweaked my Opera setup over
> the years, and I do remember messing with the monospace font size, so that
> /might/ explain why Opera is different for me.
>
> I have posted some screen shots to p.b.i.
>
> Web browsers: Chrome, Firefox, Konqueror, and Opera.
> Operating system: openSUSE 12.2 Linux/KDE.
>
>
>
In firefox edit->preferences->content->Fonts & Colors->Advanced you can 
set the default monospace font size ... ctrl + and ctrl - work as expected

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On 4-7-2013 22:38, James Holsenback wrote:

> In firefox edit->preferences->content->Fonts & Colors->Advanced you can
> set the default monospace font size ... ctrl + and ctrl - work as expected

I have the latest firefox, but there is no such thing as 
edit->preferences->content->fonts.... ;-)

You get there through: Extra->Options->Content->Advanced.

Anyway, thanks for the tip because I had not realized it could be 
adapted by the user. Logical when you think about it, but I still 
assumed those things were fixed by the builder. My knowledge of html 
dates from 10 years ago and my wiki knowledge is 0 :-)

Thomas

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Hi to all,
 I did a lot of work the last days to confirm my first findings regaining the
lost links at wiki.povray.org. Doing this, I developed a certain Indisposition
to simply exchange the broken links to ones given by wayback (archive.org). I
will open a new thread about it, to dscuss this issue.

Best regards,
Michael

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"Mr" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Thanks a lot for your help.

Hi Maurice,

since I noticed that you are working on the links lists again I would really
like to send you my list.
Unfortunatelly I have no user account at the POV-Wiki so far and cannot use your
discussion page there. Can you supply me with a contact please? May be it
suffices to confirm, that you studied at the University of Nice Sophia Antipolis
;-)

Best regards,
Michael

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"MichaelJF" <mi-### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> "Mr" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> > Thanks a lot for your help.
>
> Hi Maurice,
>
> since I noticed that you are working on the links lists again I would really
> like to send you my list.
> Unfortunatelly I have no user account at the POV-Wiki so far and cannot use your
> discussion page there. Can you supply me with a contact please? May be it
> suffices to confirm, that you studied at the University of Nice Sophia Antipolis
> ;-)
>
> Best regards,
> Michael

I will simply get rid of this job. Since you did not answer, may be the wheather
is to fine at south France, here is my work

The following list treats only the broken links or the ones showing problems
respectively:

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
POV-Ray People Pages
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%


Anto Matkovic's Page
POV content removed. Older content can be found easily at wayback.

Dennis Miller's Page
http://web.archive.org/web/20120319140240/http://www.casdn.neu.edu/~dmiller/

IB Rassmusan home page
First there is a typo above. The main page is running, but I could not follow
his internal links.

Liam Jackson's online portfolio.
Has 45 entries at wayback. I have not looked through all. But seems that only
the html is archived and not the content.

Mathematical Art
Can be deleted here, since it is in the "include"-section too.

Pod - Home Page
Site is still active, but I don't think that this pics are renderings. Has 60
entries at wayback, mostly HTTP 302. The earlier mirrors have only the main
page.

POV-Ray Users Website
http://web.archive.org/web/20050828224610/http://rsj.mobilixnet.dk/povrayusers/general.html
No photographs of the entrants, only the list and the given biographies.

Steve's 0 PPS Home Page
http://web.archive.org/web/20080509105020/http://www.zeropps.uklinux.net/

The World of POV-Ray Users
http://web.archive.org/web/20070505111338/http://www.3digitaleyes.com/povwrldjpg.htm
Only main page, so somewhat useless.

Thorsten R. Frohlich Website
http://web.archive.org/web/20120501044145/http://trf.de/

Uncle Tyler's Get Away
http://web.archive.org/web/20080514063612/http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html
Is in the "macro"-section too.

United Artists Galleries
http://web.archive.org/web/20040605143629/http://jkuag.tripod.com/gallery.html

webring.povray.co.uk
Can only find the main page at wayback, not the sites. I was not really
surprised. There is a link to another webring somewhere here
[hub.webring.org/hub/povrayring] containing the sites from N.B., Sonya Roberts
(with the loss of her tree macros) and many others.


%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Tutorials
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

3D Cafe's Free Stuff
http://web.archive.org/web/20060301120449/http://www.3dcafe.com/wrapper/
Seems to be content there, but could not find POV-related stuff. I used the
first snapshot here since tha latest ones didn't work. And since this is a
larger site, I only tested to download a model, which worked, clicked a little
bit around and found no problems. But my tests are fare away from being
exhaustive.

Anatomy of an Explosion
Anatomy of a sprite
Same site, still active. Cannot find a POV-related content.

FRACTINT L-systems tutorial
http://web.archive.org/web/20101101022926/http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/lsys/tutor.html

Imaging the Imagined : Modeling with Math & a Keyboard
http://web.archive.org/web/20110430174014/http://frontiernet.net/~imaging/

LDraw SimCity 3000 Unlimited Tutorial
http://web.archive.org/web/20120203062342/http://www.ldraw.org/Article529.html

Leveller Documentation - About Heightfields
http://www.daylongraphics.com/products/leveller/
still exists, but I cannot find further resources

Modelling the Surface of the Human Cortex
http://paulbourke.net/miscellaneous/cortex/

Polarized Glasses Tutorial
http://web.archive.org/web/20120203063800/http://www.ldraw.org/Article528.html

SPatch_tutorial
Anto Matcovic has removed all POV-Ray content from his side, see my comments at
"peoples"-section.

Terrain
Terrain information Page Micro tutorial
side is active at reocities, both links refer to the same resource



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Prototyping
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DPT Fast Rapid Prototyping
http://quickquotes.quickparts.com/Public/DPTSplashPage.aspx
Seems to be redirected to the address above, a login is requiered, so I did no
further researches.

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Model Sites
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At the top level all three links are still alive.

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Model Sites - 3DS Models
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  3Dimension
I'm not quiet sure, if this is down. But I yielded only timeouts here.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070619035236/http://gasa.dcea.fct.unl.pt/carita/models.html

    Free 3D Fish Models
Japanese, cannot judge this. My impression is, that there are no models there.

    Star Wars Models
http://web.archive.org/web/20100116122817/http://gerf.org/~nixon/


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Model Sites - Large Mixed Collections
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    2001: A Space Odyssey - 3D Modeling Archive
http://web.archive.org/web/20060717132826/http://www.strafe.com/2001/

    3D Furniture Models
Still active, but changed at the beginning of 2013. Old content:
http://web.archive.org/web/20121017011742/http://www.kit3dmodels.com/

    3d links
http://web.archive.org/web/20080705061856/http://home.tu-clausthal.de/~inmc/b5/3dlinks.html

    3DSite: Model Market
Down, relaunch planned.

    A Space Library
moved to:
http://space.jpl.nasa.gov/models/

We should add this one with Blender files:
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/3d_resources/models.html

    Amazing 3D graphics, inc
http://web.archive.org/web/20081217013445/http://www.amazing3d.com/free/free.shtml

    Art Recon Inc.
May be I'm to stupid, but cannot find free stuff here.

    Avalon FTP for Models
CAnnot retrieve this one.

    Bryce Model Index
http://web.archive.org/web/20120413112152/http://www.bryceworks.com/objects_dl/modelindex.html
Text is copied from the link above. This site contains 12 simple object, mainly
Wavefront. Robot Dog and Snowman for Poser 4.

    De Espona 3D Enclopedia
Free models cannot be achieved from the main pages. One has to enter through one
of the pictures. Then free models redirect to www.3Dup.com, where 10 freee
models can be found.

    Dedicated Digital
Active, but no models found.

    Dreams and Magic
Meshes are removed.

    Great Buildings Online
Text should be changed:
3D Models of Great Buildings - 3DMF file format. Some of them are free.

    GreyLight : Poser
http://web.archive.org/web/20120820122058/http://www.greylight.com/poser.html
Models are very simple, most like outdated.

    LWO Objects
http://web.archive.org/web/20051228024801/http://www.space.net.au/~phaedrus/objects.html

    Objects
http://web.archive.org/web/20100903110207/http://www.elektrobar.com/lux/objects.html

    SAM'S 3D
Content removed. Now a German site about 3D-printers.

    Singularity Models by Sparky
http://web.archive.org/web/20111026023250/http://www.users.on.net/~sparky/

    Stanford 3D Scanning Repository
Contains more models now.

    Star Wars
Moved. Attention: The adds at this site may be displease the one or other.
http://mitglied.multimania.de/Mesh_Factor_Y/

    The Ghastley Poser Page
Cannot retrieve this one.

    Trolley Models
Models removed. Older version with ftp-style download:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060117125636/http://fastmodel.com/models/models/

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Model Sites - MAX WRL DXF COB OBJ IOB
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Only the first is broken:
    Commercial Model Site
http://web.archive.org/web/20090316091026/http://www.baument.com/archives.html

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Link Sites
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As to link sites and their mirrors at the wayback machine: In some cases they
work, with others not. It seems that the wayback machine replaces links by
adding the actual address of the mirrored site at the wayback machine as a
prefix. Since the crawling stops after a certain depth or with links to other
sites, this replaced links cannot work.

    3d links
http://web.archive.org/web/20070609194128/http://home.tu-clausthal.de/~inmc/b5/3dlinks.html

    CADLink
http://web.archive.org/web/20101031000510/http://philippe.pigeard.pagesperso-orange.fr/logiciels/catia/catia-iges_us.ht
m

    Computer Graphics Bookmarks
Only main page living, all links I tested were broken.

    Circuitmaker files
Cannot retrieve this one.

    Dreams and magic links
Link section removed.

    Linux- CAD Shrine
redirected:
http://www.tech-edv.co.at/05_LUnIx/80_CAD~2f3d/10_CAD~20Links/index.php

    MacOS 3D Web Directory
http://usuarios.multimania.es/max3d/pov.html

    Mark Jeffers 3D Resource Page
http://web.archive.org/web/20080720045918/http://members.aol.com/mjx1936140/3dpage/3dpage.html

    PoserWorld
This is more a model-site. I propose to move it into the models section.

    POV RAY - Links Site in Spanish - Recursos en la Red
    POV-Ray
Cannot retrieve the first, but the second. Explicit adds again.
http://usuarios.multimania.es/max3d/pov.html


    POV-Ray Ring Japan
Cannot judge this.

    POV-Ray Site
http://web.archive.org/web/20090118143525/http://membres.lycos.fr/povsite/

    Procedural Texture Page
http://web.archive.org/web/20061113131058/http://www.threedgraphics.com/texsynth/index.html

    Siggraph 98 Links
http://web.archive.org/web/20060618115330/http://w3imagis.imag.fr/Membres/Fredo.Durand/Book/sig98.html
I assume there some other sites out there linking to siggraph papers. May be we
should search for them someday...

    Steiner Surfaces
http://web.archive.org/web/20130509022043/http://www.ipfw.edu/math/Coffman/steinersurface.html

    Thomas' PoV-Ray Corner
http://web.archive.org/web/20120315183509/http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/bitmap/71/download.html

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Discussion Forums
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    IHT CG Discussion Forum
Down. Last content from 2008:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080610203547/http://www.iht.it/forum/

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POV-Ray Include Macro and Object Files - Object and Scene Files
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    Castle Object
Site can be retrieved at wayback, but the download file is corrupt. Better
eliminate this one.
http://web.archive.org/web/20121011224359/http://www.btinternet.com/~timeref/freemods.htm

    Dast's POV-Ray page
Same as with the castle above
http://web.archive.org/web/20061013193401/http://dast.freeshell.org/section/pov/library

    Frank Bruder - POV-Ray script files
Similiar problem, but some files can be downloaded.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080327070447/http://frankbruder.fr.ohost.de/pov_en.html

    INTER-STATION 3D - The homepage of Toni Bratincevic
Still active with nice pictures, but POV-content removed completely. See remark
at the "people" section.

    Jayz models
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.geocities.com/cyfr_j_bone/raytracing/models.html

    POV-Ray Objects
http://membres.multimania.fr/froux/modeles/frame1.htm

    Space Shuttle
http://web.archive.org/web/20081220110627/http://users.hal-pc.org/~jsb/shuttlepov.html

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POV-Ray Include Macro and Object Files - Macro Files
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Accurate Sun Position macro
http://web.archive.org/web/20030815170519/http://www.chris-dennis.ndtilda.co.uk/povray.html

Bezier.inc - Macro
Grasspatch.inc ("Include Files" section)
The site is moved to
http://www.joshuarenglish.com/cyclopedia/
I propose to link there and not to the specific include files, since one is
missing his tutorials otherwise.

Frank Bruder - POV-Ray script files
http://web.archive.org/web/20080327070447/http://frankbruder.fr.ohost.de/pov_en.html
Same link is in the "Object and Scene Files" section

Geodesic V2 macro
http://web.archive.org/web/20041205144342/http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/5432/povray/geodesic.html

Icosahedral Kaleidoscopes
http://web.archive.org/web/20111202014724/http://home.inreach.com/rtowle/POV/POV-Ray.html

Include files/Macros
http://web.archive.org/web/20080514063612/http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html

Julius Klatte's Asymmetrical Scaling Macro
Julius Klatte's Lens Macro
Julius Klatte's Mesh Box Macro
Julius Klatte's Random function Macro
Julius Klatte's Rounded Box Macro
all at:
http://web.archive.org/web/20081230065801/http://members.tripod.com/~klatte/pov/povfiles.html
Download don't work, but view, copy and paste.

Lattice Work Macro
http://web.archive.org/web/20080509105020/http://www.zeropps.uklinux.net/
Same link is at the "Peoples" section

POV-Ray Stuff by Ingo Janssen
http://web.archive.org/web/20060924070637/http://members.home.nl/seedseven/

Tim's Resource Page
main.html is removed there, use:
http://www.nolights.de

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POV-Ray Include Macro and Object Files - Include Files
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Abres (Trees)
http://web.archive.org/web/20080615000000*/http://www.chez.com/pidou/arbres.htm

Biowin - Biological Forms Generation App.
If reocities has not regained an old geocities content, sometimes one can find
it with wayback using the old geocities adress. But not in this case. I only
could find one copy of this at:
http://203.29.75.35/povray.general/thread/%3Cweb.4c84ccd537cf6fb4f3834fa0@news.povray.org%3E/?ttop=363424&toff=150
Since it is declared as freeware within the readme, we can link to this
resource.

Gems.Inc
http://web.archive.org/web/20001218054500/http://www.deakin.edu.au/~agoodman/gems.inc

Grasspatch.inc
http://www.joshuarenglish.com/cyclopedia/
See remark at bezier.inc in the "Macro Files" section.

Kolors.inc
http://web.archive.org/web/20080514063612/http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html
Same link is in the "Macro Files" section.

Mathematical Art
http://web.archive.org/web/20050205181435/http://membres.lycos.fr/artphil/
This is not the oungest snapshot at the wayback machine. In tried some of them,
all seems to be corrupt.

Nathan Kopps LensFlare inc.
http://web.archive.org/web/20090205192201/http://nathan.kopp.com/nkflare.htm

Polyhedral Include file
http://web.archive.org/web/20010424192321/http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Teahouse/8148/

POV-Ray Utilities/incs
http://web.archive.org/web/20050310033402/http://www.deakin.edu.au/~agoodman/povstuff.php

Povray Include files
http://membres.multimania.fr/froux/
See "Object and Scene Files" section.

Sonya Roberts Include Files
http://www.reocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/1022/menu2.htm
I first found this site at the hub.webring.org/hub/povrayring where I could not
download the Tree macros. Here it worked.

Spline-Tree: Andrew's POV Files Page
http://web.archive.org/web/20040410160741/http://povplace.addr.com/files/
Last version with pictures. After that one gets only "under construction".

Updated Screen.inc
http://web.archive.org/web/20110818172614/http://isometricland.com/povray/povray.php
I could not download the include file.

Useful Inc Files
http://web.archive.org/web/20050530084701/http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/6578/include.html
I could not download the include file. Not archived at wayback.

Vegetate
http://web.archive.org/web/20050430074613/http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Program/9231/povray.html

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Resources - University Graphics Programs
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Paul Bourke
Now Paul Bourke's site is http://paulbourke.net/,
look at:
http://paulbourke.net/miscellaneous/povexamples/


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Resources - Programming Sources
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3D Data Formats
http://paulbourke.net/dataformats/

Borland C++ Compiler 5.5
Borland is changing...

Global Illumination using Photon Maps
http://web.archive.org/web/20050411025503/http://graphics.lcs.mit.edu/~henrik/papers/ewr7/

Modeling and Rendering of Metallic Patinas
Login at CiteSeer required. PDF at:
http://libra.msra.cn/Publication/172776/modeling-and-rendering-of-metallic-patinas

Real-Time Radiosity
http://web.archive.org/web/20100729141629/http://www.gamedev.net/reference/programming/features/rtradiosity/

Real-Time Rendering Resources
Moved:
http://www.realtimerendering.com/

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Resources - Misc Resources
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A Web of On-line Dictionaries
http://www.alphadictionary.com/index.shtml

AltaVista: Babel Fish Translation
Abandoned, replaced by:
http://www.bing.com/translator

ARTVPS - A world leader in 3D rendering technology
Seems to be an abandoned project too. Now they sell a renderer for SketchUp. New
site:
www.artvps.com

POV-Ray 3.0 on-line rendering farm
This one seems to be down. I'm no expert for this, but reading the following
discussion, I got the impression, that no such service exists, only software to
set up a cluster?
http://news.povray.org/povray.general/thread/%3Cweb.5073bc8b39fb29e3e28fccb80@news.povray.org%3E/

POV-Ray on a Cluster
Most likely outdated
http://web.archive.org/web/20080105051927/http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~wrooney/present/povclust.html


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Resources - Math and Geometry Resources and Information
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Computational geometry links page
http://web.archive.org/web/20090904032016/http://people.csail.mit.edu/fredo/Book/geoAlgo.html

Dave's Math Tables
http://web.archive.org/web/20071027074224/http://math2.org/math/tables2.htm

Eric Weisstein's Treasure Troves of Science
Has a lot of snapshots at waback, but links are not working there.
http://web.archive.org/web/20060114134307/http://www.treasure-troves.com/

Guru's Lair Cubic Spline &; Bezier Curves Library
http://www.tinaja.com/cubic01.shtml

MuPAD Home Page
http://www.sciface.com/
Commercial site? Seems to be a prt of MATLAB now.

Sphere FAQ
http://web.archive.org/web/20050302015835/http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/papers/known-math/index/spheres.html

University of Minnasota's Geometry Center
Moved:
http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/


Best regards,
Michael

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"MichaelJF" <mi-### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:

> The following list treats only the broken links or the ones showing problems
> respectively:
[...]
> Best regards,
> Michael

Indeed the weather as well as my job prevented me from answering fast enough but
I will use your list, it is very helpful , thanks !

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