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Hi
In the entry "The Wet Bird" in the hall of fame
(http://hof.povray.org/mouille.html), it is written "March-April 2001
IRTC Winner". The correct date is March-April 2000 (see
http://www.irtc.org/stills/2000-04-30.html)
Anyway, it is one of the best pictures I have ever seen, be it raytraced
or not.
Greetings
Urs
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From: Jaime Vives Piqueres
Subject: Re: Wrong date in hall of fame entry "The Wet Bird"
Date: 25 Oct 2012 06:43:20
Message: <508917c8$1@news.povray.org>
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On 25/10/12 12:27, Urs Holzer wrote:
> In the entry "The Wet Bird" in the hall of fame
> (http://hof.povray.org/mouille.html), it is written "March-April 2001
> IRTC Winner". The correct date is March-April 2000 (see
> http://www.irtc.org/stills/2000-04-30.html)
>
> Anyway, it is one of the best pictures I have ever seen, be it
> raytraced or not.
I suppose you didn't mean it, but I seem to remember there was a
strong discussion back then, because some people actually thought that
Giles cheated and submitted a photo... :) At the time I thought it was a
sign of how good he was with POV-Ray.
--
Jaime
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Urs Holzer <urs### [at] andonyar com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> In the entry "The Wet Bird" in the hall of fame
> (http://hof.povray.org/mouille.html), it is written "March-April 2001
> IRTC Winner". The correct date is March-April 2000 (see
> http://www.irtc.org/stills/2000-04-30.html)
>
> Anyway, it is one of the best pictures I have ever seen, be it raytraced
> or not.
Yes, it is raytraced for sure!!! ;-)
There are too much convincing hints on his website
(http://www.oyonale.com/image.php?code=464&mode=info§ion=2000&lang=en). I
can even remember a former version, where Gilles posted the way he managed the
fog between the near and distant buildings...
And of course the date should be corrected to 2000 (by the way, who is
responsible for that?)
Norbert
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On 25/10/2012 11:43 AM, Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
> On 25/10/12 12:27, Urs Holzer wrote:
>> In the entry "The Wet Bird" in the hall of fame
>> (http://hof.povray.org/mouille.html), it is written "March-April 2001
>> IRTC Winner". The correct date is March-April 2000 (see
>> http://www.irtc.org/stills/2000-04-30.html)
>>
>> Anyway, it is one of the best pictures I have ever seen, be it
>> raytraced or not.
>
> I suppose you didn't mean it, but I seem to remember there was a
> strong discussion back then, because some people actually thought that
> Giles cheated and submitted a photo... :) At the time I thought it was a
> sign of how good he was with POV-Ray.
>
Can anyone remember or failing that find the flaw in the image that
shows that it is CG?
“Looking at the pixels” doesn’t count. ;-)
--
Regards
Stephen
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> Can anyone remember or failing that find the flaw in the image that
> shows that it is CG?
Perhaps you think of the "wet bird", which indeed is an image_map
(http://www.oyonale.com/image.php?code=473&lang=en&mode=info).
Looking closely there are so many small hints on the date (of the software with
which) the picture was created that there are no doubts on the way it was made.
point....
Norbert
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From: Jaime Vives Piqueres
Subject: Re: Wrong date in hall of fame entry "The Wet Bird"
Date: 25 Oct 2012 14:46:12
Message: <508988f4@news.povray.org>
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On 25/10/12 19:55, Stephen wrote:
> Can anyone remember or failing that find the flaw in the image that
> shows that it is CG?
>
> “Looking at the pixels” doesn’t count. ;-)
There are a lot of things that scream "it's CG!!". Of course first
impression is that of a photo, but when you start analyzing, many
details of RL are missing... plenty of them. On this and in almost every
CG image, save some geniuses work.
For example, where is the smoke/vapor from the cars exhausts??
--
Jaime
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From: Jaime Vives Piqueres
Subject: Re: Wrong date in hall of fame entry "The Wet Bird"
Date: 25 Oct 2012 14:51:02
Message: <50898a16@news.povray.org>
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On 25/10/12 19:44, Norbert Kern wrote:
> Yes, it is raytraced for sure!!! ;-)
At he time, I couldn't understand how some people really believed it
was a photo... I guess some people can't "see" past he first impression.
Nowadays I can understand someone takes a Mental Ray render for a
photo... I myself had to watch a whole episode of "The Amazing World of
Gumball" to be sure it was CG before checking on the web.
--
Jaime
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>
> For example, where is the smoke/vapor from the cars exhausts??
> Jaime
Wow - that one I didn't noticed before...
Are the reflections right for the (much to many) backlights of all the cars?
Where is rust or stains on cars, traffic lights an so on...
Look on the strange light behavior on the crysler building spire in
"http://www.oyonale.com/image.php?code=465&mode=info§ion=2000&lang=en" or
the lack of rain in the atmosphere...
With a look at the poor hardware conditions ("final render took about 21 hours
on a Pentium II 350 Mhz") I get sentimental...
It "somewhat" reminds me on the black-white pictures of the moon landing I saw
back in 1969 where some people today don't believe the realitity behind.
Of course cheat is a distinct "possibility", but today a dozen of povers would
be able to replicate a similar motive in a convincing way Gilles Tran did (at
least I would place a bet on it).
Norbert
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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Wrong date in hall of fame entry "The Wet Bird"
Date: 25 Oct 2012 15:27:58
Message: <508992be@news.povray.org>
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On 25/10/2012 7:46 PM, Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
> There are a lot of things that scream "it's CG!!". Of course first
> impression is that of a photo, but when you start analyzing, many
> details of RL are missing... plenty of them. On this and in almost every
> CG image, save some geniuses work.
>
> For example, where is the smoke/vapor from the cars exhausts??
What you say is true Jamie (and Norbert) but what I am thinking about
(and IIRC there was a discussion about it) is a scene fault.
--
Regards
Stephen
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Wrong date in hall of fame entry "The Wet Bird"
Date: 25 Oct 2012 16:23:09
Message: <50899fad@news.povray.org>
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Jaime Vives Piqueres <jai### [at] ignoranciaorg> wrote:
> Nowadays I can understand someone takes a Mental Ray render for a
> photo... I myself had to watch a whole episode of "The Amazing World of
> Gumball" to be sure it was CG before checking on the web.
In a few cases some people do the exact opposite: They take real photos
or video and post-process it to make it look like CGI. For example they
did that with the movie Ultraviolet.
See for example
http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz289/05k21a0551/new%20one/Ultraviolet2006m-HD-4.jpg
http://gabtor.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/ultraviolet_3.jpg
--
- Warp
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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> In a few cases some people do the exact opposite: They take real photos
> or video and post-process it to make it look like CGI. For example they
> did that with the movie Ultraviolet.
>
> See for example
>
http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz289/05k21a0551/new%20one/Ultraviolet2006m-HD-4.jpg
Full reverse into the Uncanny Valley. They succeeded, if you could call it
that.
> http://gabtor.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/ultraviolet_3.jpg
Nope, too many hairs out of place.
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Am 25.10.2012 21:27, schrieb Stephen:
> On 25/10/2012 7:46 PM, Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
>> There are a lot of things that scream "it's CG!!". Of course first
>> impression is that of a photo, but when you start analyzing, many
>> details of RL are missing... plenty of them. On this and in almost every
>> CG image, save some geniuses work.
>>
>> For example, where is the smoke/vapor from the cars exhausts??
>
> What you say is true Jamie (and Norbert) but what I am thinking about
> (and IIRC there was a discussion about it) is a scene fault.
I suspect that the "one way" sign should be pointing the other
direction, or be replaced by a "no entry" sign.
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From: Urs Holzer
Subject: Re: Wrong date in hall of fame entry "The Wet Bird"
Date: 26 Oct 2012 05:40:41
Message: <508a5a99$1@news.povray.org>
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Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
> On 25/10/12 12:27, Urs Holzer wrote:
>> Anyway, it is one of the best pictures I have ever seen, be it
>> raytraced or not.
>
> I suppose you didn't mean it, but I seem to remember there was a
> strong discussion back then, because some people actually thought that
> Giles cheated and submitted a photo... :) At the time I thought it was
> a sign of how good he was with POV-Ray.
LOL! It didn't occur to me that my statement could be understood the
wrong way. I never doubted that it was made with PoV-Ray.
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From: Jaime Vives Piqueres
Subject: Re: Wrong date in hall of fame entry "The Wet Bird"
Date: 26 Oct 2012 06:00:16
Message: <508a5f30$1@news.povray.org>
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On 26/10/12 11:41, Urs Holzer wrote:
> LOL! It didn't occur to me that my statement could be understood the
> wrong way. I never doubted that it was made with PoV-Ray.
>
No, sorry, I correctly understood that it was the best picture you
ever seen, without distinguishing between photos or CG... but the first
reading of "be it raytraced or not" made me remember the old polemic.
--
Jaime
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From: Jaime Vives Piqueres
Subject: Re: Wrong date in hall of fame entry "The Wet Bird"
Date: 26 Oct 2012 06:06:24
Message: <508a60a0@news.povray.org>
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A bit off topic, but this made me wonder about Gilles lack of internet
activity, so I used my searching abilities to find that he seems to be
fine, working at a French agricultural association as manager for some
project.
These kind of total internet abandonment usually scare me about what
happened to the real person behind... but in this case it seems a mere
case of a heavy RL attack, or I hope so.
--
Jaime
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Stephen wrote:
> What you say is true Jamie (and Norbert) but what I am thinking about
> (and IIRC there was a discussion about it) is a scene fault.
There's something spooky above the Chrysler building ;)
--
light_source{9+9*x,1}camera{orthographic look_at(1-y)/4angle 30location
9/4-z*4}light_source{-9*z,1}union{box{.9-z.1+x clipped_by{plane{2+y-4*x
0}}}box{z-y-.1.1+z}box{-.1.1+x}box{.1z-.1}pigment{rgb<.8.2,1>}}//Jellby
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On 26/10/2012 3:38 PM, Jellby wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>
>> What you say is true Jamie (and Norbert) but what I am thinking about
>> (and IIRC there was a discussion about it) is a scene fault.
>
> There's something spooky above the Chrysler building ;)
>
>
Give the man a coconut!
The spire protrudes into the media for the clouds, casting a shadow
through them.
If memory serves me, Giles did not notice it until it was pointed out.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 26/10/2012 11:06 AM, Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
> A bit off topic, but this made me wonder about Gilles lack of internet
> activity, so I used my searching abilities to find that he seems to be
> fine, working at a French agricultural association as manager for some
> project.
>
> These kind of total internet abandonment usually scare me about what
> happened to the real person behind... but in this case it seems a mere
> case of a heavy RL attack, or I hope so.
>
Good to hear. Although none of us are getting any younger. :-(
--
Regards
Stephen
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From: Jaime Vives Piqueres
Subject: Re: Wrong date in hall of fame entry "The Wet Bird"
Date: 26 Oct 2012 13:43:50
Message: <508acbd6$1@news.povray.org>
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On 26/10/12 18:59, Stephen wrote:
> Good to hear. Although none of us are getting any younger. :-(
>
>
But we have still some way to go until we can take the title of "Older
Pover Around" from Ian Mackay... :)
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Jaime Vives Piqueres <jai### [at] ignoranciaorg> wrote:
> These kind of total internet abandonment usually scare me about what
> happened to the real person behind...
I fear this about myself. If something should happen to me, will there be
anyone to let my on-line communities know?
I've seen two cases (including Steve Paget) where a community member has died,
but a friend was able to let the community know. (There was a third case where
a forum member notified me privately after the forum had disbanded.) But there
are many others where a community member seems to drop off the face of the
Earth, and no one knows what has happened to them.
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"Cousin Ricky" <rickysttATyahooDOTcom> wrote:
But there
> are many others where a community member seems to drop off the face of the
> Earth, and no one knows what has happened to them.
Mick Hazelgrove, Nathan o'Brian, Gena Obukhov, Douglas Eichenberg, Christoph
Bouffartique, JRG, Kari Kivisalo and others (some like Rene Bui, Christoph
Gerber etc. retained some acitivities after 2007...). Others changed software
base (like Gilles Tran and Toni Bratinevic).
A few of the old povers (like Christoph Hormann...) revived their activities
lately (at a low or very specialized level...).
Speaking for myself - it was the disappearance of the old IRTC as a signal.
It wasn't the competition, but the lack of source sharing, which (together with
"real life") led to a sudden drop off of all povray activities within two days
for four years.
Norbert Kern
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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Wrong date in hall of fame entry "The Wet Bird"
Date: 27 Oct 2012 06:05:16
Message: <508bb1dc@news.povray.org>
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On 26/10/2012 6:43 PM, Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
> On 26/10/12 18:59, Stephen wrote:
>> Good to hear. Although none of us are getting any younger. :-(
>>
>>
>
> But we have still some way to go until we can take the title of "Older
> Pover Around" from Ian Mackay... :)
Oh! I did not realise, his work is so vibrant I assumed he was an
Inbetweeny.
--
Regards
Stephen
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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Wrong date in hall of fame entry "The Wet Bird"
Date: 27 Oct 2012 10:24:06
Message: <508bee86$1@news.povray.org>
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On 27-10-2012 10:34, Norbert Kern wrote:
> "Cousin Ricky" <rickysttATyahooDOTcom> wrote:
> But there
>> are many others where a community member seems to drop off the face of the
>> Earth, and no one knows what has happened to them.
>
> Mick Hazelgrove, Nathan o'Brian, Gena Obukhov, Douglas Eichenberg, Christoph
> Bouffartique, JRG, Kari Kivisalo and others
... Ken Tyler, Jim Charter, Fabien Mosen, Marc Jacquier... A few names
that come to my mind.
Real life surely, with the hope for POV-Resurrection one day...
Thomas
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> ... Ken Tyler, Jim Charter, Fabien Mosen, Marc Jacquier... A few names
> that come to my mind.
>
> Real life surely, with the hope for POV-Resurrection one day...
>
> Thomas
Of course...
And of course your support is essential for this website...
Norbert
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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Wrong date in hall of fame entry "The Wet Bird"
Date: 28 Oct 2012 03:23:21
Message: <508cdd69$1@news.povray.org>
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On 27-10-2012 20:48, Norbert Kern wrote:
> And of course your support is essential for this website...
<grin> /all/ support is welcome indeed!
Thomas
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"Cousin Ricky" <rickysttATyahooDOTcom> wrote:
> Jaime Vives Piqueres <jai### [at] ignoranciaorg> wrote:
> > These kind of total internet abandonment usually scare me about what
> > happened to the real person behind...
>
> I fear this about myself. If something should happen to me, will there be
> anyone to let my on-line communities know?
what matters is what is left of you
a trail of footsteps in the sand
that the sea didn't claim from the land
giving the right measure of your soul
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"nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> "Cousin Ricky" <rickysttATyahooDOTcom> wrote:
> > Jaime Vives Piqueres <jai### [at] ignoranciaorg> wrote:
> > > These kind of total internet abandonment usually scare me about what
> > > happened to the real person behind...
> >
> > I fear this about myself. If something should happen to me, will there be
> > anyone to let my on-line communities know?
>
> what matters is what is left of you
> a trail of footsteps in the sand
> that the sea didn't claim from the land
> giving the right measure of your soul
That’s deep, not a lot of help but deep. ;-)
Master Stephen Shallow
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"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> wrote:
> "nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > "Cousin Ricky" <rickysttATyahooDOTcom> wrote:
> > > Jaime Vives Piqueres <jai### [at] ignoranciaorg> wrote:
> > > > These kind of total internet abandonment usually scare me about what
> > > > happened to the real person behind...
> > >
> > > I fear this about myself. If something should happen to me, will there be
> > > anyone to let my on-line communities know?
> >
> > what matters is what is left of you
> > a trail of footsteps in the sand
> > that the sea didn't claim from the land
> > giving the right measure of your soul
>
> That’s deep, not a lot of help but deep. ;-)
>
> Master Stephen Shallow
thanks, I'll take another sip of Shakespeare
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On 29/10/2012 3:10 PM, nemesis wrote:
> "Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> wrote:
>> "nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>>> "Cousin Ricky" <rickysttATyahooDOTcom> wrote:
>>>> Jaime Vives Piqueres <jai### [at] ignoranciaorg> wrote:
>>>>> These kind of total internet abandonment usually scare me about what
>>>>> happened to the real person behind...
>>>>
>>>> I fear this about myself. If something should happen to me, will there be
>>>> anyone to let my on-line communities know?
>>>
>>> what matters is what is left of you
>>> a trail of footsteps in the sand
>>> that the sea didn't claim from the land
>>> giving the right measure of your soul
>>
>> That’s deep, not a lot of help but deep. ;-)
>>
>> Master Stephen Shallow
>
> thanks, I'll take another sip of Shakespeare
>
>
Okay.
"There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."
Hamlet.
--
Regards
Stephen
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From: Chris Cason
Subject: Re: Wrong date in hall of fame entry "The Wet Bird"
Date: 31 Oct 2012 08:31:30
Message: <50911a22@news.povray.org>
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On 25/10/2012 21:27, Urs Holzer wrote:
> Hi
>
> In the entry "The Wet Bird" in the hall of fame
> (http://hof.povray.org/mouille.html), it is written "March-April 2001
> IRTC Winner". The correct date is March-April 2000 (see
> http://www.irtc.org/stills/2000-04-30.html)
Thanks, I've fixed this.
-- Chris
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