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The POV-Ray wiki (http://wiki.povray.org/) is redirecting to a page
saying "POV-Wiki is down until further notice". Can we have some details on
what happened to it?
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"Nicolas Alvarez" <nic### [at] gmail com> wrote in message
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> The POV-Ray wiki (http://wiki.povray.org/) is redirecting to a page
> saying "POV-Wiki is down until further notice". Can we have some details
> on
> what happened to it?
I believe Chris found a spam page and he decided to take it offline for a
while, as there was no new real POV contributions being added .... just
someone going on about "WarHammmer" and of course the spam page. I'm working
of converting the users manual from html to mediawiki markup and will need
that to be online eventually. Right now I'm happy with the "Sandbox" wiki I
have running on my test machine, but that dosen't do you any good does it?
I don't recall any mention of when it will be back online.
Jim
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Jim Holsenback wrote:
> and he decided to take it offline for a
> while, as there was no new real POV contributions being added ....
Why do I feel personally responsible for this? I had two tutorials I
(publicly) planned on putting up... whenever I figured out how to add my
own pages. Not that two tutorials would have amounted to much, but just
look at what happened in p.b.i. the other day. One person commented on
the lack of images, then this other person posted a couple, and then it
was a minor flood of images after that. The same could happen to a
wiki... maybe.
Sam
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"Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> "Nicolas Alvarez" <nic### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
> news:4932018b@news.povray.org...
> > The POV-Ray wiki (http://wiki.povray.org/) is redirecting to a page
> > saying "POV-Wiki is down until further notice". Can we have some details
> > on
> > what happened to it?
>
> I believe Chris found a spam page and he decided to take it offline for a
> while, as there was no new real POV contributions being added .... just
> someone going on about "WarHammmer" and of course the spam page. I'm working
> of converting the users manual from html to mediawiki markup and will need
> that to be online eventually. Right now I'm happy with the "Sandbox" wiki I
> have running on my test machine, but that dosen't do you any good does it?
> I don't recall any mention of when it will be back online.
>
> Jim
That's a shame. I was working on an article, but ran into a time crunch due to
classes. I hope the articles were preserved...?
-Reactor
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stbenge <THI### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> look at what happened in p.b.i. the other day. One person commented on
> the lack of images, then this other person posted a couple, and then it
> was a minor flood of images after that. The same could happen to a
> wiki... maybe.
Yes, we feel an urge whenever someone challenges us. :)
That's what lacking in the povray comunity: contests. The days of IRTC are
over, but nothing prevents some contests among p.b.i regulars... :P
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"nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> schreef in bericht
news:web.49330596b9967b05aad819490@news.povray.org...
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> That's what lacking in the povray comunity: contests. The days of IRTC
> are
> over, but nothing prevents some contests among p.b.i regulars... :P
>
Come to the TC-RTC Challenge, my friend :-)
Thomas
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"Reactor" <rea### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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> I hope the articles were preserved...?
I'm pretty sure but not 100% that any content that was already there will
be preserved. I don't think that there is a total rebuild of the wiki on
taps. Chris would be making the call on that.
Jim
PS: I didn't mean to slight any contributors by saying there was no new
content being added. Apologies if I did.
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"stbenge" <THI### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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> Why do I feel personally responsible for this? I had two tutorials I
> (publicly) planned on putting up... whenever I figured out how to add my
> own pages. Not that two tutorials would have amounted to much, but just
> look at what happened in p.b.i. the other day. One person commented on the
> lack of images, then this other person posted a couple, and then it was a
> minor flood of images after that. The same could happen to a wiki...
> maybe.
ah .... you shouldn't. I noticed the lack of posts in p.b.i as well and
brushed it off as folks being busy. This probably goes for Chris as well.
Like I mentioned I've been working on a doc project, and when ever I've had
a question he's usually been right back the next day with an answer ....
that interval has increased. Mind you I'm NOT complaining .... just trying
to make a point that most folks have alot of irons in the fire.
Jim
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Thomas de Groot escreveu:
> "nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> schreef in bericht
> news:web.49330596b9967b05aad819490@news.povray.org...
>> That's what lacking in the povray comunity: contests. The days of IRTC
>> are
>> over, but nothing prevents some contests among p.b.i regulars... :P
>>
>
> Come to the TC-RTC Challenge, my friend :-)
It's still going on? I never heard of it anymore...
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:19:17 -0200, nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>Thomas de Groot escreveu:
>> "nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> schreef in bericht
>> news:web.49330596b9967b05aad819490@news.povray.org...
>>> That's what lacking in the povray comunity: contests. The days of IRTC
>>> are
>>> over, but nothing prevents some contests among p.b.i regulars... :P
>>>
>>
>> Come to the TC-RTC Challenge, my friend :-)
>
>It's still going on? I never heard of it anymore...
No it is a new one. Tina Chep (This Is Not A Chequered Plain)
http://www.tc-rtc.co.uk/
--
Regards
Stephen
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Stephen escreveu:
> No it is a new one. Tina Chep (This Is Not A Chequered Plain)
>
> http://www.tc-rtc.co.uk/
Oh, I saw the latest round. Pretty good entries, including the one from
Thomas. Some of them blends of 2D and 3D, kinda weird, but amazing
nonetheless like the one using a picture of Jules Verne.
Yes, looks like a good contest in the same league as IRTC. Perhaps next
round I'll join... :)
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:47:47 -0200, nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>Stephen escreveu:
>> No it is a new one. Tina Chep (This Is Not A Chequered Plain)
>>
>> http://www.tc-rtc.co.uk/
>
>Oh, I saw the latest round. Pretty good entries, including the one from
>Thomas. Some of them blends of 2D and 3D, kinda weird, but amazing
>nonetheless like the one using a picture of Jules Verne.
>
Yes, St the admin doesn't limit it to raytracing.
>Yes, looks like a good contest in the same league as IRTC. Perhaps next
>round I'll join... :)
You have still sixteen days left to create a chess masterpiece. Failing that,
join and vote for the next topic.
There is an animation section too.
--
Regards
Stephen
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Stephen escreveu:
> You have still sixteen days left to create a chess masterpiece. Failing that,
> join and vote for the next topic.
> There is an animation section too.
Is that a challenge?! I read it right? Ok, sir, I accept it! XD
chess, hmm, battles, castles, chivalry... guess I'll put Blender to good
use... well, at least once I finish a dragon scene I'm into. :P
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:08:35 -0200, nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>Stephen escreveu:
>> You have still sixteen days left to create a chess masterpiece. Failing that,
>> join and vote for the next topic.
>> There is an animation section too.
>
>Is that a challenge?! I read it right? Ok, sir, I accept it! XD
>
You read it right. It is the Tina Chep Rendering Challenge. :)
>chess, hmm, battles, castles, chivalry... guess I'll put Blender to good
>use... well, at least once I finish a dragon scene I'm into. :P
Don't chess and dragons go together? ;)
--
Regards
Stephen
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Stephen escreveu:
>> chess, hmm, battles, castles, chivalry... guess I'll put Blender to good
>> use... well, at least once I finish a dragon scene I'm into. :P
>
> Don't chess and dragons go together? ;)
It certainly makes up for an excellent checkmate. ;)
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:30:04 -0200, nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>Stephen escreveu:
>>> chess, hmm, battles, castles, chivalry... guess I'll put Blender to good
>>> use... well, at least once I finish a dragon scene I'm into. :P
>>
>> Don't chess and dragons go together? ;)
>
>It certainly makes up for an excellent checkmate. ;)
I had an image in my mind of two dragons playing chess with people.
Which reminds me of a dream that was implied (IIRC) in Roadmarks by Roger
Zelazny.
--
Regards
Stephen
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"nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
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> Thomas de Groot escreveu:
>> "nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> schreef in bericht
>> news:web.49330596b9967b05aad819490@news.povray.org...
>>> That's what lacking in the povray comunity: contests. The days of IRTC
>>> are
>>> over, but nothing prevents some contests among p.b.i regulars... :P
>>>
>>
>> Come to the TC-RTC Challenge, my friend :-)
>
> It's still going on? I never heard of it anymore...
Do I need to advertise it more somehow? Seriously, I thought you all
knew... :o/
Anyways, please join in, *everyone* here is very welcome, and I'd feel
real humbled and Christmassy if you did.
~Steve~
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> The POV-Ray wiki (http://wiki.povray.org/) is redirecting to a page
> saying "POV-Wiki is down until further notice". Can we have some details on
> what happened to it?
Had a gold-selling spammer and rather than deal with a take-down put-up
take-down blah blah cycle I just took it offline since he'd been the only
contributor for maybe two months. Nothing's been removed, it's all still in the
DB, and it will come back online eventually.
Moral: I can't have a publicly-editable wiki without someone monitoring changes
(I don't have time). It one or several of you want to enforce proper usage of
the wiki and regularly monitor changes (like, at least once a day amongst you)
then I'll put it back online more or less immediately.
-- Chris
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Chris Cason wrote:
> Moral: I can't have a publicly-editable wiki without someone monitoring
> changes (I don't have time). It one or several of you want to enforce
> proper usage of the wiki and regularly monitor changes (like, at least
> once a day amongst you) then I'll put it back online more or less
> immediately.
I do that all the time with another wiki. Actually two. One of them is Trac,
not MediaWiki; once had a spammer add links to every single page (over 200
of them) and I had to write a scraping script to undo the changes on them
all...
When you get the wiki back up, remind me to add Special:Recent_changes to my
RSS reader :)
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> When you get the wiki back up, remind me to add Special:Recent_changes to
> my RSS reader :)
...why do I keep getting into new trouble >.<
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Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> > The POV-Ray wiki (http://wiki.povray.org/) is redirecting to a page
> > saying "POV-Wiki is down until further notice". Can we have some details on
> > what happened to it?
>
> Had a gold-selling spammer and rather than deal with a take-down put-up
> take-down blah blah cycle I just took it offline since he'd been the only
> contributor for maybe two months. Nothing's been removed, it's all still in the
> DB, and it will come back online eventually.
>
> Moral: I can't have a publicly-editable wiki without someone monitoring changes
> (I don't have time). It one or several of you want to enforce proper usage of
> the wiki and regularly monitor changes (like, at least once a day amongst you)
> then I'll put it back online more or less immediately.
>
> -- Chris
I can start going more frequently, but it will likely be 2-3 times per week for
me until after the 12th, when I finish my finals.
Is there an even medium? Perhaps having it up but placing a temporarily
restriction on public registration or delaying edits by newly registered users?
I am not familiar with the wiki software and what types of controls it has for
vandalism prevention. As much as I find blocking it distasteful, I would
rather see it up and not editable (temporarily) than down entirely.
-Reactor
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"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> schreef in bericht news:49346fd3$1@news.povray.org...
>
> Do I need to advertise it more somehow? Seriously, I thought you all
> knew... :o/
>
> Anyways, please join in, *everyone* here is very welcome, and I'd feel
> real humbled and Christmassy if you did.
>
Hear! Hear!
Come on in People!! There is room for e-ve-ry-bo-dy!! We want your images!!!
:-)
Thomas
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Thomas de Groot escreveu:
> "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> schreef in bericht news:49346fd3$1@news.povray.org...
>> Do I need to advertise it more somehow? Seriously, I thought you all
>> knew... :o/
>>
>> Anyways, please join in, *everyone* here is very welcome, and I'd feel
>> real humbled and Christmassy if you did.
>>
> Hear! Hear!
>
> Come on in People!! There is room for e-ve-ry-bo-dy!! We want your images!!!
That's what I'm talking about! :)
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"Chris Cason" <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote in
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> Moral: I can't have a publicly-editable wiki without someone monitoring
> changes
> (I don't have time). It one or several of you want to enforce proper usage
> of
> the wiki and regularly monitor changes (like, at least once a day amongst
> you)
> then I'll put it back online more or less immediately.
Count me in ..... I'd be willing to make a daily patrol.
Jim
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"Nicolas Alvarez" <nic### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
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> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> When you get the wiki back up, remind me to add Special:Recent_changes to
>> my RSS reader :)
>
> ...why do I keep getting into new trouble >.<
haha .... sometimes I feel like a trouble magnet too!
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On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:36:51 +1100, Chris Cason wrote:
> Had a gold-selling spammer and rather than deal with a take-down put-up
> take-down blah blah cycle I just took it offline since he'd been the
> only contributor for maybe two months. Nothing's been removed, it's all
> still in the DB, and it will come back online eventually.
>
> Moral: I can't have a publicly-editable wiki without someone monitoring
> changes (I don't have time). It one or several of you want to enforce
> proper usage of the wiki and regularly monitor changes (like, at least
> once a day amongst you) then I'll put it back online more or less
> immediately.
Ugh, and Chris, I have to apologise for dropping out the way I did - I
should've contacted you and let you know what was up. I've had time to
run through the groups as part of my normal NNTP runs, but I hadn't had
time for the wiki with changes in my responsibilities at work - life just
got in the way. There's nothing like having to learn an entire new job
to throw things completely out of whack.
Really kinda feeling like I let the side down....
I'm *hoping* things will settle down in the next couple of months and
give me time in the evenings again.
Jim
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stbenge wrote:
> Jim Holsenback wrote:
>
>> and he decided to take it offline for a while, as there was no new
>> real POV contributions being added ....
>
>
> Why do I feel personally responsible for this? I had two tutorials I
> (publicly) planned on putting up... whenever I figured out how to add my
> own pages. Not that two tutorials would have amounted to much, but just
> look at what happened in p.b.i. the other day. One person commented on
> the lack of images, then this other person posted a couple, and then it
> was a minor flood of images after that. The same could happen to a
> wiki... maybe.
>
> Sam
What you say makes some sense, that a group is composed of individuals
so you can't build the momentum of a collaborative group without the
contributions of individuals, and so ultimately it comes down to the
decision of each individual to contribute or not.
I remember I thought the wiki idea had some exciting potential. For me
it stemmed from the sense of flexibility and scalability. The promise,
it seemed to me, was there would be a readymade place to build, say, a
tutorial, or have a conversation around some technique, that would make
it easy to do, similar to how blogging servers make things easy.
I know what discouraged me early on was the unfortunate security issues
and apparent vandalisation. It led to the feeling that work put into a
tutorial, say, could be vandalised. I know that techical people around
here did a good job of nipping the problem but it sent a chill.
Now of course I would also be fighting time constraints along with the
realization that my own work, technically, has fallen even father behind
the leading edge of what is going on here. But I still love the idea of
metaphorically speaking, being able to walk into a room with a
chalkboard available, and have a converation with a you or a Thomas De
Groot, or Steve Piaget, and be able to quickly illustrate what we mean
as easily as if drawing on a slate.
Also I think it might prove worthwhile to try and analyze what the
newsgroup format offers that has given it such lasting success here.
-Jim
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"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> schreef in bericht
news:49359573$1@news.povray.org...
> What you say makes some sense, that a group is composed of individuals so
> you can't build the momentum of a collaborative group without the
> contributions of individuals, and so ultimately it comes down to the
> decision of each individual to contribute or not.
>
> I remember I thought the wiki idea had some exciting potential. For me it
> stemmed from the sense of flexibility and scalability. The promise, it
> seemed to me, was there would be a readymade place to build, say, a
> tutorial, or have a conversation around some technique, that would make it
> easy to do, similar to how blogging servers make things easy.
>
> I know what discouraged me early on was the unfortunate security issues
> and apparent vandalisation. It led to the feeling that work put into a
> tutorial, say, could be vandalised. I know that techical people around
> here did a good job of nipping the problem but it sent a chill.
>
> Now of course I would also be fighting time constraints along with the
> realization that my own work, technically, has fallen even father behind
> the leading edge of what is going on here. But I still love the idea of
> metaphorically speaking, being able to walk into a room with a chalkboard
> available, and have a converation with a you or a Thomas De Groot, or
> Steve Piaget, and be able to quickly illustrate what we mean as easily as
> if drawing on a slate.
>
> Also I think it might prove worthwhile to try and analyze what the
> newsgroup format offers that has given it such lasting success here.
>
To start with your last comment, I believe that the lasting success is
certainly due to the unrelenting dedication to the povray matter of each and
every individual posting on these newsgroups. That is not as obvious as it
seems apparently, many newsgroups sooner or later degrade into uninteresting
blah blah. We do not, and surprisingly, all newcomers take over the
unofficial standards that have been set or have grown over the years.
Another point of success certainly is also the fast, friendly, and expert
responses people are getting to their questions. For all those years I am
visiting these newsgroups, I am still always deeply impressed by all those
high standard contributions given freely and in good humour. Let me make use
of the opportunity to suggest a big applause to all of you, and especially
to those who always know the answer to the whole range of simple to
difficult matters. I won't cite names here as I am afraid to forget too many
of you, but you all can fill in a long list of Masters and especially
Teachers.
On a more technical level (of which I know much less about) these newsgroups
apparently are not too much troubled by outside enemical influences. That is
excellent. I don't know why that is, or how (some filtering? good
monitoring?) I am rather a lay person about that. However, the fact that the
wiki is more exposed to the outside and has to be protected forcibly is a
sad development which does not make its use easier. So, I suppose that
people are going mainly to the newsgroups for their information, even if
that means that older information is more difficult to find again, which
results sometimes in re-inventing the wheel several times in a number of
cases. Still, the wiki idea is excellent and should be propagated further. I
confess that I often forget to have a look at its pages.
Thomas
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stbenge <THI### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Jim Holsenback wrote:
> > and he decided to take it offline for a
> > while, as there was no new real POV contributions being added ....
>
> Why do I feel personally responsible for this? I had two tutorials I
> (publicly) planned on putting up... whenever I figured out how to add my
> own pages. Not that two tutorials would have amounted to much, but just
> look at what happened in p.b.i. the other day. One person commented on
> the lack of images, then this other person posted a couple, and then it
> was a minor flood of images after that. The same could happen to a
> wiki... maybe.
>
> Sam
I have already written several POV tutorials I'd like to transfer to the wiki.
http://gearheadrpg.com/wiki/index.php?title=Guides:Assembling_Sprites
http://gearheadrpg.com/wiki/index.php?title=Guides:Dithering
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Quadrant/3864/legobap.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Quadrant/3864/legochrom.htm
-Mike
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"Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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>
> "Chris Cason" <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote in
> message news:49349f45$1@news.povray.org...
>> Moral: I can't have a publicly-editable wiki without someone monitoring
>> changes
>> (I don't have time). It one or several of you want to enforce proper
>> usage of
>> the wiki and regularly monitor changes (like, at least once a day amongst
>> you)
>> then I'll put it back online more or less immediately.
>
> Count me in ..... I'd be willing to make a daily patrol.
>
> Jim
Hi Chris,
If Nicolas is prepared to keep tabs on an RSS feed and Jim is ok with doing
a manual daily check, then what do you need us to commit to in terms of
'enforcing proper usage' to get the Wiki back up?
Regards,
Chris B.
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"Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote:
> "Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
> news:4935070a@news.povray.org...
> >
> > "Chris Cason" <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote in
> > message news:49349f45$1@news.povray.org...
> >> Moral: I can't have a publicly-editable wiki without someone monitoring
> >> changes
> >> (I don't have time). It one or several of you want to enforce proper
> >> usage of
> >> the wiki and regularly monitor changes (like, at least once a day amongst
> >> you)
> >> then I'll put it back online more or less immediately.
> >
> > Count me in ..... I'd be willing to make a daily patrol.
> >
> > Jim
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> If Nicolas is prepared to keep tabs on an RSS feed and Jim is ok with doing
> a manual daily check, then what do you need us to commit to in terms of
> 'enforcing proper usage' to get the Wiki back up?
>
> Regards,
> Chris B.
And a related question - in what way should we respond if we come across
problems? Is there going to be a preferred email address for reporting such
things, or are there going to be janitors that can lock pages/privileges
temporarily?
-Reactor
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"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> On a more technical level (of which I know much less about) these newsgroups
> apparently are not too much troubled by outside enemical influences.
Well, the HTML version of the newsgroup uses a customized system that may be too
much trouble for hackers to figure out, whereas MediaWiki is everywhere on the
Net, and tools designed for one can easily be applied to another. Not sure
about the traditional means of accessing newsgroups...
-Mike
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"Reactor" <rea### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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> And a related question - in what way should we respond if we come across
> problems? Is there going to be a preferred email address for reporting
> such
> things, or are there going to be janitors that can lock pages/privileges
> temporarily?
I don't know about the others who have spoken up, but I have sysop
privledges on the wiki because of my project. I've also learned enough about
wiki markup that I'd be willing to serve as technical resource if users have
questions. I think this forum (newsgroups) would be adequate enough to field
questions/concerns.
Anyone got any better ideas?
Jim
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"Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> "Reactor" <rea### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
> news:web.4941880fb9967b05353f48a70@news.povray.org...
> > And a related question - in what way should we respond if we come across
> > problems? Is there going to be a preferred email address for reporting
> > such
> > things, or are there going to be janitors that can lock pages/privileges
> > temporarily?
>
> I don't know about the others who have spoken up, but I have sysop
> privledges on the wiki because of my project. I've also learned enough about
> wiki markup that I'd be willing to serve as technical resource if users have
> questions. I think this forum (newsgroups) would be adequate enough to field
> questions/concerns.
>
> Anyone got any better ideas?
>
> Jim
That does give me an idea, actually. It might be a nice thing to have a
povray.wiki group for these sorts of discussions as well as questions/concerns
about the wiki. In some ways, the main talk page kind of served some of that
functionality, but I think most people, myself included, tend to go to the
newsgroups more often.
-Reactor
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"Reactor" <rea### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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> That does give me an idea, actually. It might be a nice thing to have a
> povray.wiki group for these sorts of discussions as well as
> questions/concerns
> about the wiki. In some ways, the main talk page kind of served some of
> that
> functionality, but I think most people, myself included, tend to go to the
> newsgroups more often.
Yes, I like this forum as well. A wiki newsgroup sounds like a good idea!
Jim
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Thomas de Groot wrote:
> "Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> schreef in bericht
> news:49359573$1@news.povray.org...
>
>>What you say makes some sense, that a group is composed of individuals so
>>you can't build the momentum of a collaborative group without the
>>contributions of individuals, and so ultimately it comes down to the
>>decision of each individual to contribute or not.
>>
>>I remember I thought the wiki idea had some exciting potential. For me it
>>stemmed from the sense of flexibility and scalability. The promise, it
>>seemed to me, was there would be a readymade place to build, say, a
>>tutorial, or have a conversation around some technique, that would make it
>>easy to do, similar to how blogging servers make things easy.
>>
>>I know what discouraged me early on was the unfortunate security issues
>>and apparent vandalisation. It led to the feeling that work put into a
>>tutorial, say, could be vandalised. I know that techical people around
>>here did a good job of nipping the problem but it sent a chill.
>>
>>Now of course I would also be fighting time constraints along with the
>>realization that my own work, technically, has fallen even father behind
>>the leading edge of what is going on here. But I still love the idea of
>>metaphorically speaking, being able to walk into a room with a chalkboard
>>available, and have a converation with a you or a Thomas De Groot, or
>>Steve Piaget, and be able to quickly illustrate what we mean as easily as
>>if drawing on a slate.
>>
>>Also I think it might prove worthwhile to try and analyze what the
>>newsgroup format offers that has given it such lasting success here.
>>
>
>
> To start with your last comment, I believe that the lasting success is
> certainly due to the unrelenting dedication to the povray matter of each and
> every individual posting on these newsgroups. That is not as obvious as it
> seems apparently, many newsgroups sooner or later degrade into uninteresting
> blah blah. We do not, and surprisingly, all newcomers take over the
> unofficial standards that have been set or have grown over the years.
> Another point of success certainly is also the fast, friendly, and expert
> responses people are getting to their questions. For all those years I am
> visiting these newsgroups, I am still always deeply impressed by all those
> high standard contributions given freely and in good humour. Let me make use
> of the opportunity to suggest a big applause to all of you, and especially
> to those who always know the answer to the whole range of simple to
> difficult matters.
Huzzah!
> monitoring?) I am rather a lay person about that. However, the fact that the
> wiki is more exposed to the outside and has to be protected forcibly is a
> sad development which does not make its use easier.
Yes, I think I was not mature enough to accept that as is on the first pass.
>So, I suppose that
> people are going mainly to the newsgroups for their information, even if
> that means that older information is more difficult to find again, which
> results sometimes in re-inventing the wheel several times in a number of
> cases.
That is a good point of comparison. A wiki should, in theory, make the
history of endeavor around a particular idea nore accessible because it
is all recorded in the same place. But that issue is a little vague to
my personal understand. In a wiki is history eclipsed by subsequent
additions, or retained in an understandable way?
Related to this idea is the notion of information depth.
Might we have to face up to the possibility
that we were frightened away from the wiki precisely because it offered,
and in a sense, demanded, more depth? It may be that really only a few
herw have the real ability to take advantage of the increased richness.
Just as Twitter's popularity stems from a kind of imposed limitation,
is it possible that the type of activity flourishing here finds the most
effective support in the limited or improvised capacities of a newsgroup
posting?
Another possible issue is a kind of author ownership of ideas. With the
present setup, we have a minimalized trading floor to link to private
sites for tutorials etc., where the author might gain more personal
benefit from making their contributions public.
-Jim
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Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> The POV-Ray wiki (http://wiki.povray.org/) is redirecting to a page
> saying "POV-Wiki is down until further notice". Can we have some details on
> what happened to it?
I hate to bring up an old topic... but I would like to hear a status update
whenever possible. I have some things I'd like to add to the radiosity
article, and I've learned a lot about water and photons lately...
-Reactor
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"Reactor" <rea### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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> I hate to bring up an old topic... but I would like to hear a status
> update
> whenever possible. I have some things I'd like to add to the radiosity
> article, and I've learned a lot about water and photons lately...
The wiki is available again.
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