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From: Alessio Sangalli
Subject: POV-ray (text) editor for beginners
Date: 13 Nov 2008 20:12:24
Message: <491cd078@news.povray.org>
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Hi, every night before going to bed I teach a little bit of POV-ray to
my wife.
The most annoying problem is that everytime she wants to see the scene
she has to save, go to the shell, issue the povray command with some
(for her) cryptic options and then open up an image viewer (or
imagemagick's "display") to see the result. For an animation, it's even
more complicated.
Because my target here is not teach her how to script in bash but how to
write scenes in POV-ray, I would feel much better if there was an
"integrated" editor for POV-ray with buttons to select options and start
rendering.
Any suggestion? PS I do *not* want a CAD-like or "visual" editor...
bye
as
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Alessio Sangalli <ale### [at] manoweb com> wrote:
> Hi, every night before going to bed I teach a little bit of POV-ray to
> my wife.
>
> The most annoying problem is that everytime she wants to see the scene
> she has to save, go to the shell, issue the povray command with some
> (for her) cryptic options and then open up an image viewer (or
> imagemagick's "display") to see the result. For an animation, it's even
> more complicated.
>
> Because my target here is not teach her how to script in bash but how to
> write scenes in POV-ray, I would feel much better if there was an
> "integrated" editor for POV-ray with buttons to select options and start
> rendering.
>
> Any suggestion? PS I do *not* want a CAD-like or "visual" editor...
>
> bye
> as
Are you using Windows?
-Mike
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"SharkD" <nomail@nomail> wrote in message
news:web.491cd42e34cbc438849303c80@news.povray.org...
> Alessio Sangalli <ale### [at] manowebcom> wrote:
>> Hi, every night before going to bed I teach a little bit of POV-ray to
>> my wife.
>>
>> The most annoying problem is that everytime she wants to see the scene
>> she has to save, go to the shell, issue the povray command with some
>> (for her) cryptic options and then open up an image viewer (or
>> imagemagick's "display") to see the result. For an animation, it's even
>> more complicated.
>>
>> Because my target here is not teach her how to script in bash but how to
>> write scenes in POV-ray, I would feel much better if there was an
>> "integrated" editor for POV-ray with buttons to select options and start
>> rendering.
>>
>> Any suggestion? PS I do *not* want a CAD-like or "visual" editor...
>>
>> bye
>> as
>
> Are you using Windows?
>
> -Mike
From the BASH comment I assume he's in Linux of some sort.
You could try the windows version under Wine, I'm not sure
but it probably would work.
There's also POVclipse... that's a POV syntax version of Eclipse,
you could give that a try.
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From: "Jérôme M. Berger"
Subject: Re: POV-ray (text) editor for beginners
Date: 14 Nov 2008 02:38:40
Message: <491d2b00@news.povray.org>
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Alessio Sangalli wrote:
> Hi, every night before going to bed I teach a little bit of POV-ray to
> my wife.
>
> The most annoying problem is that everytime she wants to see the scene
> she has to save, go to the shell, issue the povray command with some
> (for her) cryptic options and then open up an image viewer (or
> imagemagick's "display") to see the result. For an animation, it's even
> more complicated.
>
> Because my target here is not teach her how to script in bash but how to
> write scenes in POV-ray, I would feel much better if there was an
> "integrated" editor for POV-ray with buttons to select options and start
> rendering.
>
> Any suggestion? PS I do *not* want a CAD-like or "visual" editor...
>
> bye
> as
You might want to try XPE: http://nextpe.sourceforge.net/
Jerome
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Alessio Sangalli <ale### [at] manowebcom> wrote:
> The most annoying problem is that everytime she wants to see the scene
> she has to save, go to the shell, issue the povray command with some
> (for her) cryptic options and then open up an image viewer (or
> imagemagick's "display") to see the result.
It doesn't have to be so complicated. When I edit a povray file and want
to make a test render of it, it happens like:
- Save by pressing the saving shortcut key in the text editor.
- Alt+tab to switch to the terminal where I have been running povray.
- Up+enter (assuming I have already run povray in that terminal).
That's it. POV-Ray shows the rendered image on an X window while it
renders it. When it's done (or I want to interrupt it), I:
- Press q to stop povray.
- Alt+tab to get back to the editor.
If your version of povray doesn't display the image it's rendering,
you should get one which does.
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> Alessio Sangalli <ale### [at] manowebcom> wrote:
>> The most annoying problem is that everytime she wants to see the scene
>> she has to save, go to the shell, issue the povray command with some
>> (for her) cryptic options and then open up an image viewer (or
>> imagemagick's "display") to see the result.
>
> It doesn't have to be so complicated. When I edit a povray file and want
> to make a test render of it, it happens like:
>
It's not even complicated with emacs (at least in linux). If I have a shell window
running tcsh and an emacs window, I do:
in emacs window: cntl-S
in shell window (to repeat my last render command): !pov enter (!p if I've not issued
any other p... commands)
or "cntl-p" until I reach the last pov command, then enter
Lightning fast. Well under one second.
The shell can be within an emacs window, if I prefer (which I don't).
That's it. It's not worth worrying about shortcuts.
Dan
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Dan Connelly wrote:
> in emacs window: cntl-S
whoops: cntl-X cntl-S.
My fingers know what to do, anyway.. :)
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Isn't there one called KPov or something for KDE?
And I believe SciTE is able to launch POV-Ray directly with a
button-press, and it does great syntax highlighting. Configure POV to
display the output as it renders.
...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com
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Dan Connelly escreveu:
> Dan Connelly wrote:
>> in emacs window: cntl-S
> whoops: cntl-X cntl-S.
>
> My fingers know what to do, anyway.. :)
An experienced emacs user going bloppers. Just imagine a novice... :P
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Alessio Sangalli escreveu:
> Hi, every night before going to bed I teach a little bit of POV-ray to
> my wife.
>
> The most annoying problem is that everytime she wants to see the scene
> she has to save, go to the shell, issue the povray command with some
> (for her) cryptic options and then open up an image viewer (or
> imagemagick's "display") to see the result.
Ever heard of bash history? Up arrow key to access the last command, or
CTRL+R + "word" to search for "word" in the history. more CTRL+R to see
older entries.
> PS I do *not* want a CAD-like or "visual" editor...
Why not? Why impose such command line pain to your wife? Women would
certainly enjoy modelling with curves visually rather than typing like a
geek.
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nemesis wrote:
> Why not? Why impose such command line pain to your wife? Women would
> certainly enjoy modelling with curves visually rather than typing like a
> geek.
Everyone knows women can't type.
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From: Sabrina Kilian
Subject: Re: POV-ray (text) editor for beginners
Date: 15 Nov 2008 03:18:41
Message: <491e85e1@news.povray.org>
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Dan Connelly wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Why not? Why impose such command line pain to your wife? Women would
>> certainly enjoy modelling with curves visually rather than typing like
>> a geek.
>
> Everyone knows women can't type.
I'd respond with a cogent and scathing retort, but I've suddenly found
my fingers unable to locate the correct keys.
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> Any suggestion? PS I do *not* want a CAD-like or "visual" editor...
>
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Syntax coloring works fine, and you can define povray invocation as
a menu option...
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Chambers wrote:
> And I believe SciTE is able to launch POV-Ray directly with a
> button-press, and it does great syntax highlighting.
Yes, SciTE is great for editing POV-Ray files.
I have the following in my /usr/share/scite/pov.properties...
command.compile.*.pov=povray +P +W320 +H240 $(FileNameExt)
command.build.*.pov=povray +P +W800 +H600 $(FileNameExt)
command.go.*.pov=povray +P +W1332 +H999 +AM2 +A $(FileNameExt)
...which then let's me launch various different qualities of renders
directly from the editor using the function key short cuts.
SciTE even shows you the povray output in a small pane to the right of
the editor, so it's easy to see mistakes in the SDL code if there are
any or to track the progress of the render.
--
Jonathan
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From: Christian Froeschlin
Subject: Re: POV-ray (text) editor for beginners
Date: 17 Nov 2008 15:47:57
Message: <4921d87d@news.povray.org>
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Alessio Sangalli wrote:
> Because my target here is not teach her how to script in bash but how to
> write scenes in POV-ray, I would feel much better if there was an
> "integrated" editor for POV-ray with buttons to select options and start
> rendering.
Get your wife a nice birthday present such as a laptop with a
user-friendly OS and install the Windows version of POV-Ray.
Do not despair if birthday is too far off, women usually
find occasion-free presents acceptable as well ;)
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Christian Froeschlin wrote:
> user-friendly OS....Windows
Oh, my.....
Talk to anyone in system support how "user-friendly" Windows is.
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Christian Froeschlin escreveu:
> Get your wife a nice birthday present such as a laptop with a
> user-friendly OS and install the Windows version of POV-Ray.
Or a nice laptop with Linux, Blender or Wings 3D and povray exporters.
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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: POV-ray (text) editor for beginners
Date: 18 Nov 2008 18:08:43
Message: <49234afb@news.povray.org>
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nemesis wrote:
> Christian Froeschlin escreveu:
>> Get your wife a nice birthday present such as a laptop with a
>> user-friendly OS and install the Windows version of POV-Ray.
>
> Or a nice laptop with Linux, Blender or Wings 3D and povray exporters.
Or let's go write a GUI for Linux comparable to the one in Windows.
Oh wait, better a cross-platform one, to replace the current Windows one
too. The POV-Win code is UGLY!
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> Oh, my.....
>
> Talk to anyone in system support how "user-friendly" Windows is.
ANd put the same users on Linux, you think there would be *less* calls?
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From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: POV-ray (text) editor for beginners
Date: 19 Nov 2008 10:47:27
Message: <4924350f@news.povray.org>
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scott wrote:
>> Oh, my.....
>>
>> Talk to anyone in system support how "user-friendly" Windows is.
>
> ANd put the same users on Linux, you think there would be *less* calls?
>
The burden is on your statement that Windows is more user-friendly. Asserting they
may be equal isn't good enough.
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From: Christian Froeschlin
Subject: Re: POV-ray (text) editor for beginners
Date: 19 Nov 2008 17:56:37
Message: <492499a5$1@news.povray.org>
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> The burden is on your statement that Windows is more user-friendly.
1. It wasn't his statement
2. I feel entirely unburdened
3. I actually like Linux (well, for work)
As the OP explicitely stated his wife finds it annoying
to have to type something on the command line, she would
very likely be happier on Windows - or Mac, heaven forbid,
but I think there is only an inofficial POV for that.
It seems such an opinion is already too much trolling ;)
Now it itches me to praise the blessing of DOS, which I
grew up with - and two of my three systems still run it.
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote in message <49234afb@news.povray.org>:
> Or let's go write a GUI for Linux comparable to the one in Windows.
>
> Oh wait, better a cross-platform one, to replace the current Windows one
> too. The POV-Win code is UGLY!
There are already lots of IDEs, most of them could easily get a POV mode,
and some of them already have.
Please do not waste time reinventing the wheel.
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Dan Connelly <djc### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> scott wrote:
> >> Oh, my.....
> >>
> >> Talk to anyone in system support how "user-friendly" Windows is.
> >
> > ANd put the same users on Linux, you think there would be *less* calls?
> >
>
> The burden is on your statement that Windows is more user-friendly. Asserting they
may be equal isn't good enough.
The problem that the people in system support tend to face is not so much
windows not being user-friendly, so much as the users not being
windows-friendly (or computer-friendly for that matter)
-tgq
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Trevor G Quayle escreveu:
> Dan Connelly <djc### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>> scott wrote:
>>>> Oh, my.....
>>>>
>>>> Talk to anyone in system support how "user-friendly" Windows is.
>>> ANd put the same users on Linux, you think there would be *less* calls?
>>>
>> The burden is on your statement that Windows is more user-friendly. Asserting they
may be equal isn't good enough.
>
> The problem that the people in system support tend to face is not so much
> windows not being user-friendly, so much as the users not being
> windows-friendly (or computer-friendly for that matter)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQHX-SjgQvQ
:)
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Dan Connelly <djc### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> scott wrote:
> >> Oh, my.....
> >>
> >> Talk to anyone in system support how "user-friendly" Windows is.
> >
> > ANd put the same users on Linux, you think there would be *less* calls?
> >
>
> The burden is on your statement that Windows is more user-friendly. Asserting they
may be equal isn't good enough.
Linux users tend to be more experienced; thus, it is true that the average Linux
user may in fact find it to be as or nearly as user-friendly as the average
Windows user finds *Windows* to be. But this is simply an example of the havoc
excessive insulation can wreak upon the mind...
And then there's the fact that there really *is* no such thing as Linux:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/22/what_is_linux_worth/
-Mike
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Trevor G Quayle nous illumina en ce 2008-11-20 12:49 -->
> Dan Connelly <djc### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>> scott wrote:
>>>> Oh, my.....
>>>>
>>>> Talk to anyone in system support how "user-friendly" Windows is.
>>> ANd put the same users on Linux, you think there would be *less* calls?
>>>
>> The burden is on your statement that Windows is more user-friendly. Asserting they
may be equal isn't good enough.
>
> The problem that the people in system support tend to face is not so much
> windows not being user-friendly, so much as the users not being
> windows-friendly (or computer-friendly for that matter)
>
> -tgq
>
>
Like what you see here: http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/
--
Alain
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