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As you likely know, the IRTC (Internet Ray Tracing Competition) has been
down for over a year now. I've been in discussions with Chris Cason for
a while now on how we can resurrect it and I'm happy to announce that
we've come up with a proposal.
I have assembled a small group of developers including myself and Randal
Schwartz who will volunteer our time to re-write the software in
Smalltalk using the Seaside web framework. In the process, we will try
to address some of the issues that led to the demise of the previous
system and add some flexibility to do more fun things with the site in
the future.
I do realize that while the IRTC was down, the TC-RTC started up. There
has been some discussion here that there's no need for two competitions.
Still, it's the IRTC that has the most visibility and the new site
should attract a lot more. We will import all of the previous years
competition results into the system and have them available for viewing
once the site is up.
If you have any questions or suggestions, you can send them to me at
dav### [at] simberon com. Please include the text IRTC in the subject line.
I'll keep you advised as the development progresses.
David Buck
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David Buck <dav### [at] simberoncom> wrote:
> As you likely know, the IRTC (Internet Ray Tracing Competition) has been
> down for over a year now. I've been in discussions with Chris Cason for
> a while now on how we can resurrect it and I'm happy to announce that
> we've come up with a proposal.
>
> I have assembled a small group of developers including myself and Randal
> Schwartz who will volunteer our time to re-write the software in
> Smalltalk using the Seaside web framework. In the process, we will try
> to address some of the issues that led to the demise of the previous
> system and add some flexibility to do more fun things with the site in
> the future.
this is great! I don't really think it wasn't really any issue related to
software: it was just bunch of static html pages manually updated by the
admins after all.
Still, good news anyway. Hope Smalltalk and Seaside can make it look more
professional and make it more visible, plus turn site administration easier.
so, Randal got the pov bug, huh? ;)
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>>>>> "nemesis" == nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> writes:
nemesis> so, Randal got the pov bug, huh? ;)
I've always enjoyed *looking* at beautiful things. :)
Creating them is an entirely different matter.
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This is a very good news indeed!
Thanks for all your work!
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nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> I don't really think it wasn't really any issue related to
> software: it was just bunch of static html pages manually updated by the
> admins after all.
I think that *is* an issue. Automation makes things much easier for
everyone and shouldn't stress the admins so much.
--
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David Buck <dav### [at] simberoncom> wrote:
> As you likely know, the IRTC (Internet Ray Tracing Competition) has been
> down for over a year now. I've been in discussions with Chris Cason for
> a while now on how we can resurrect it and I'm happy to announce that
> we've come up with a proposal.
I solemnly promise to submit an entry to the first round of the
new IRTC. :)
--
- Warp
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Personally I think it ought to be manditory to submit atleast one IRTC entry
every year... Could you add a check into the POV code? ;-)
Rarius
PS... I still can't beleive I've been using POVRay (DBKTrace) for 10 years!
"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
news:47cd0e42@news.povray.org...
> David Buck <dav### [at] simberoncom> wrote:
>> As you likely know, the IRTC (Internet Ray Tracing Competition) has been
>> down for over a year now. I've been in discussions with Chris Cason for
>> a while now on how we can resurrect it and I'm happy to announce that
>> we've come up with a proposal.
>
> I solemnly promise to submit an entry to the first round of the
> new IRTC. :)
>
> --
> - Warp
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David Buck wrote:
> I'm happy to announce that we've come up with a proposal.
Great news!
> I have assembled a small group of developers including myself and Randal
> Schwartz who will volunteer our time to re-write the software in
> Smalltalk using the Seaside web framework.
Ah, must be the same Randal Schwartz who said "I have my fingers
in far more pies than I can ever eat in a lifetime already." ;)
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nemesis wrote:
> this is great! I don't really think it wasn't really any issue related to
> software: it was just bunch of static html pages manually updated by the
> admins after all.
Warp's response is right on the money here. Nearly-full automation is very
important; I can vouch for that from seeing the IRTC run via the admin
list. Everytime you have to do something manually it adds the potential for
something to go wrong, plus requires someone to be available at the right
time to do it.
-- Chris
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Damn, looks like I'll have to win it again to keep my name in lights! ;-D
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Warp escribió:
> I solemnly promise to submit an entry to the first round of the
> new IRTC. :)
Me too!
Thanks David, Randal and anyone involved!
--
Jaime
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>>>>> "Christian" == Christian Froeschlin <chr### [at] chrfrde> writes:
Christian> Ah, must be the same Randal Schwartz who said "I have my fingers
Christian> in far more pies than I can ever eat in a lifetime already." ;)
Indeed.
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<mer### [at] stonehengecom> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:22:50 -0500, David Buck <dav### [at] simberoncom> wrote:
>I have assembled a small group of developers including myself and Randal
>Schwartz who will volunteer our time to re-write the software in
>Smalltalk using the Seaside web framework.
I would like to add my thanks to you both for this. I would also like to call
for a big thank you to Steve (St) for setting up the TC-RTC in the interim. I
know that he has spent a great deal of effort and money on this for the
community.
Well done! Everyone.
Regards
Stephen
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David Buck wrote:
> I'll keep you advised as the development progresses.
Good news all around.
Regards,
John
(who still hasn't started his TC-RTC entry for this round)
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Stephen wrote:
>
> I would like to add my thanks to you both for this. I would also like to call
> for a big thank you to Steve (St) for setting up the TC-RTC in the interim. I
> know that he has spent a great deal of effort and money on this for the
> community.
>
I wonder if it might be appropriate for the reborn IRTC to start off
with a "TINA CHeP" topic...?
--Sherry Shaw
--
#macro T(E,N)sphere{x,.4rotate z*E*60translate y*N pigment{wrinkles scale
.3}finish{ambient 1}}#end#local I=0;#while(I<5)T(I,1)T(1-I,-1)#local I=I+
1;#end camera{location-5*z}plane{z,37 pigment{granite color_map{[.7rgb 0]
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:55:00 -0600, Sherry Shaw <ten### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>Stephen wrote:
>>
>> I would like to add my thanks to you both for this. I would also like to call
>> for a big thank you to Steve (St) for setting up the TC-RTC in the interim. I
>> know that he has spent a great deal of effort and money on this for the
>> community.
>>
>
>I wonder if it might be appropriate for the reborn IRTC to start off
>with a "TINA CHeP" topic...?
>
A good idea.
Regards
Stephen
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wooHoo! :-D
Interesting choice of seaside and smalltalk. I will have to look into those,
and maybe give them a try on my Ubuntu box.
The use of the Seaside framework is much more in the spirit of PovRay than
the .NET framework too, IMO. Good choice.
I am glad to see the IRTC coming back, cheers all around!
Ian
"David Buck" <dav### [at] simberoncom> wrote in message
news:47cca46d$1@news.povray.org...
> As you likely know, the IRTC (Internet Ray Tracing Competition) has been
> down for over a year now. I've been in discussions with Chris Cason for a
> while now on how we can resurrect it and I'm happy to announce that we've
> come up with a proposal.
>
> I have assembled a small group of developers including myself and Randal
> Schwartz who will volunteer our time to re-write the software in Smalltalk
> using the Seaside web framework. In the process, we will try to address
> some of the issues that led to the demise of the previous system and add
> some flexibility to do more fun things with the site in the future.
>
> I do realize that while the IRTC was down, the TC-RTC started up. There
> has been some discussion here that there's no need for two competitions.
> Still, it's the IRTC that has the most visibility and the new site should
> attract a lot more. We will import all of the previous years competition
> results into the system and have them available for viewing once the site
> is up.
>
> If you have any questions or suggestions, you can send them to me at
> dav### [at] simberoncom. Please include the text IRTC in the subject line.
>
> I'll keep you advised as the development progresses.
>
> David Buck
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[GDS|Entropy] wrote:
> wooHoo! :-D
>
> Interesting choice of seaside and smalltalk. I will have to look into those,
> and maybe give them a try on my Ubuntu box.
> The use of the Seaside framework is much more in the spirit of PovRay than
> the .NET framework too, IMO. Good choice.
If Seaside is not a Microsoft product, then it is more in the spirit of
POV-Ray than .NET, by virtue of that fact alone.
Regards,
John
(who can never resist an opportunity to make a joke about M$)
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David Buck wrote:
> I've been in discussions with Chris Cason for
> a while now on how we can resurrect it and I'm happy to announce that
> we've come up with a proposal.
Okay, since nobody else has said it yet, and because I believe it
certainly is fitting in this circumstance, I'll get it out of the way:
"W00T!!!"
:)
Only one suggestion: might we see the return of the IRTC CD
compilations? I have years one through five (1996 - 2001), and would
love to buy more to aid the effort, but I never saw another one after
Year Five.
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"Sherry Shaw" <ten### [at] aolcom> schreef in bericht
news:47ceb468@news.povray.org...
> Stephen wrote:
>>
>> I would like to add my thanks to you both for this. I would also like to
>> call
>> for a big thank you to Steve (St) for setting up the TC-RTC in the
>> interim. I
>> know that he has spent a great deal of effort and money on this for the
>> community.
Absolutely!! Steve is/has been a Prime Mover in keeping the community on
their toes :-) So I jgladly oin the thanks.
And I have said it elsewhere, I shall be sad to see the TC-RTC disappear....
>
> I wonder if it might be appropriate for the reborn IRTC to start off with
> a "TINA CHeP" topic...?
Oh yes! That would be an excellent idea!!
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none wrote:
> David Buck wrote:
>> I've been in discussions with Chris Cason for a while now on how we
>> can resurrect it and I'm happy to announce that we've come up with a
>> proposal.
>
> Okay, since nobody else has said it yet, and because I believe it
> certainly is fitting in this circumstance, I'll get it out of the way:
>
>
>
> "W00T!!!"
>
> :)
>
> Only one suggestion: might we see the return of the IRTC CD
> compilations? I have years one through five (1996 - 2001), and would
> love to buy more to aid the effort, but I never saw another one after
> Year Five.
In my discussions with Chris Cason, one of the issues he wanted resolved
was an easier way to produce the IRTC CD's. The new site is being
designed to make that process easier. I expect, therefore, that the
IRTC CD's will re-start once we get going.
David Buck
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"Sherry Shaw" <ten### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
news:47ceb468@news.povray.org...
> Stephen wrote:
>>
>> I would like to add my thanks to you both for this. I would also like to
>> call
>> for a big thank you to Steve (St) for setting up the TC-RTC in the
>> interim. I
>> know that he has spent a great deal of effort and money on this for the
>> community.
>
> I wonder if it might be appropriate for the reborn IRTC to start off with
> a "TINA CHeP" topic...?
Heck, yes, good one. <Steve looks for TINA's red rose again> ;)
~Steve~
>
> --Sherry Shaw
>
>
> --
> #macro T(E,N)sphere{x,.4rotate z*E*60translate y*N pigment{wrinkles scale
> .3}finish{ambient 1}}#end#local I=0;#while(I<5)T(I,1)T(1-I,-1)#local I=I+
> 1;#end camera{location-5*z}plane{z,37 pigment{granite color_map{[.7rgb 0]
> [1rgb 1]}}finish{ambient 2}}// TenMoons
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none wrote:
> Only one suggestion: might we see the return of the IRTC CD
> compilations? I have years one through five (1996 - 2001), and would
> love to buy more to aid the effort, but I never saw another one after
> Year Five.
As David pointed out, making the CD's was difficult - I guess primarily
because I didn't want to just dump the data onto the CD. I wanted to try to
identify the same entrant across all rounds and years (this was more
difficult than it sounds) so as to maintain a list of entries and results,
and I wanted to re-format the text entry files into HTML (again, more
difficult than it sounds, especially with the changes made to the files by
the IRTC submission system - stripping high characters, re-wrapping the
text, and so forth). In the end I just couldn't justify the time.
-- Chris
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none wrote:
>
> "W00T!!!"
>
> :)
... and just let me add Yaaaayyyyyy!!!!!! :-) :-) :-)
... let the joy be unbounded. Send for to slay the fatted calf &c &c
John
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world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
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Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
> As David pointed out, making the CD's was difficult - I guess primarily
> because I didn't want to just dump the data onto the CD. I wanted to try to
> identify the same entrant across all rounds and years (this was more
> difficult than it sounds) so as to maintain a list of entries and results,
> and I wanted to re-format the text entry files into HTML (again, more
> difficult than it sounds, especially with the changes made to the files by
> the IRTC submission system - stripping high characters, re-wrapping the
> text, and so forth). In the end I just couldn't justify the time.
That sounds like the IRTC would benefit from a database where entrants
and entries are automatically collected. Such a database would probably
make it a lot easier to do things like you describe.
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
>> As David pointed out, making the CD's was difficult - I guess primarily
>> because I didn't want to just dump the data onto the CD. I wanted to try to
>> identify the same entrant across all rounds and years (this was more
>> difficult than it sounds) so as to maintain a list of entries and results,
>> and I wanted to re-format the text entry files into HTML (again, more
>> difficult than it sounds, especially with the changes made to the files by
>> the IRTC submission system - stripping high characters, re-wrapping the
>> text, and so forth). In the end I just couldn't justify the time.
>
> That sounds like the IRTC would benefit from a database where entrants
> and entries are automatically collected. Such a database would probably
> make it a lot easier to do things like you describe.
>
That's exactly what I'm working on. The database will be PostgreSQL and
it would track all contests (stills, animation, and others), all
rounds of the contests, all submissions, all users, and all voting
results. The site will be almost completely automatic.
David Buck
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David Buck <dav### [at] simberoncom> wrote:
> That's exactly what I'm working on. The database will be PostgreSQL and
> it would track all contests (stills, animation, and others), all
> rounds of the contests, all submissions, all users, and all voting
> results. The site will be almost completely automatic.
That will allow easily creating interesting statistics as well.
--
- Warp
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"David Buck" <dav### [at] simberoncom> a écrit dans le message de news:
47d154e3@news.povray.org...
> That's exactly what I'm working on. The database will be PostgreSQL and
> it would track all contests (stills, animation, and others), all rounds of
> the contests, all submissions, all users, and all voting results. The
> site will be almost completely automatic.
Note that such a database already exists:
http://exether.free.fr/irtc/index.php?sub=site&lang=en
Gilles
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"Gilles Tran" <gil### [at] agroparistechfr> schreef in bericht
news:47d16636@news.povray.org...
>
> Note that such a database already exists:
> http://exether.free.fr/irtc/index.php?sub=site&lang=en
>
What immediately strikes the eye is the gradual decline of participants over
the years...
Is this loss of interest, or does it reflect the increasing complexity of
POV-Ray over the years, I wonder?
Thomas
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Thomas de Groot wrote:
> "Gilles Tran" <gil### [at] agroparistechfr> schreef in bericht
> news:47d16636@news.povray.org...
>> Note that such a database already exists:
>> http://exether.free.fr/irtc/index.php?sub=site&lang=en
>>
>
> What immediately strikes the eye is the gradual decline of participants over
> the years...
> Is this loss of interest, or does it reflect the increasing complexity of
> POV-Ray over the years, I wonder?
I think that the growing prominence of GUI-enabled CGI packages,
including freeware, caused many POV-Ray users to drift away from POV-Ray.
Regards,
John
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John VanSickle wrote:
> Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> "Gilles Tran" <gil### [at] agroparistechfr> schreef in
>> bericht news:47d16636@news.povray.org...
>>> Note that such a database already exists:
>>> http://exether.free.fr/irtc/index.php?sub=site&lang=en
>>>
>>
>> What immediately strikes the eye is the gradual decline of
>> participants over the years...
>> Is this loss of interest, or does it reflect the increasing complexity
>> of POV-Ray over the years, I wonder?
>
> I think that the growing prominence of GUI-enabled CGI packages,
> including freeware, caused many POV-Ray users to drift away from POV-Ray.
>
> Regards,
> John
I suspect you're right. To me part of what makes POV-Ray fun is
precisely the idea of modeling with code rather than with a mouse. It's
hard to explain to people why that's fun though. I normally try to draw
an analogy by asking something about why are hand-thrown ceramic bowls
or cups better than much more efficiently made slip-cast or even
mass-produced bowls/cups? My metaphor doesn't normally get me anywhere.
Charles
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Thomas de Groot a écrit :
> "Gilles Tran" <gil### [at] agroparistechfr> schreef in bericht
> news:47d16636@news.povray.org...
>> Note that such a database already exists:
>> http://exether.free.fr/irtc/index.php?sub=site&lang=en
>>
>
> What immediately strikes the eye is the gradual decline of participants over
> the years...
Look at when prizes were dropped. Must explain a lot. Reviving IRTC
without prizes is the recipe for a new disaster.
> Is this loss of interest, or does it reflect the increasing complexity of
> POV-Ray over the years, I wonder?
Lack of new features for end-users (e.g. stinking artists) in so many
years might be one of the reasons.
Fabien.
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Fa3ien <fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe> wrote:
> Thomas de Groot a écrit :
> > "Gilles Tran" <gil### [at] agroparistechfr> schreef in bericht
> > news:47d16636@news.povray.org...
> >> Note that such a database already exists:
> >> http://exether.free.fr/irtc/index.php?sub=site&lang=en
> >>
> >
> > What immediately strikes the eye is the gradual decline of participants over
> > the years...
>
> Look at when prizes were dropped. Must explain a lot. Reviving IRTC
> without prizes is the recipe for a new disaster.
>
> > Is this loss of interest, or does it reflect the increasing complexity of
> > POV-Ray over the years, I wonder?
>
> Lack of new features for end-users (e.g. stinking artists) in so many
> years might be one of the reasons.
>
> Fabien.
Firstly, I am very excited by the return of the IRTC. My only reasons for not
entering any round of the IRTC (since I discovered it) were lack of time/talent
to produce an image I was happy with or (more often with my limited imagination)
lack of a decent idea for the topic.
I like the idea of a competition every 2 months (for stills) as I am impatient
to see the entries for each round. However, I would also like to have more than
2 months to create an image. It would be good to have the topics for each round
announced 3 or 4 months in advance. Whatever the deadline and without a prize I
will enter the first round of the revamped IRTC (partly because I would love the
chance to compete against the other users who have said they plan to enter, even
if I know I could not beat them).
Sean
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s.day <s.d### [at] uelacuk> wrote:
> I like the idea of a competition every 2 months (for stills) as I am impatient
> to see the entries for each round. However, I would also like to have more than
> 2 months to create an image. It would be good to have the topics for each round
> announced 3 or 4 months in advance.
Actually I like that idea. Have a compo each 2 months, but announce the
topic of each compo 3 monts before its deadline (or something along the
lines).
--
- Warp
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"s.day" <s.d### [at] uelacuk> schreef in bericht
news:web.47d32e65db92fe1285a73e9b0@news.povray.org...
> I like the idea of a competition every 2 months (for stills) as I am
> impatient
> to see the entries for each round. However, I would also like to have more
> than
> 2 months to create an image. It would be good to have the topics for each
> round
> announced 3 or 4 months in advance. Whatever the deadline and without a
> prize I
> will enter the first round of the revamped IRTC (partly because I would
> love the
> chance to compete against the other users who have said they plan to
> enter, even
> if I know I could not beat them).
>
I support this idea. Having more than 2 months to think about a round would
be very nice.
Thomas
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Fa3ien <fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe> wrote:
....
> ... Reviving IRTC without prizes is the recipe
> for a new disaster.
....
Respectfully, I must disagree rather strongly.
Prizes, especially very valuable ones, tend to
attract mercenary participants and bring out their
worst behaviors.
("This isn’t fair!"... "THAT isn’t fair!"...
"I’m launching a PROTEST"... "Mommeeeee... I
mean Admiiiiiiin - Billy’s CHEATING!)
Also, large prizes tend to come from corporate sponsors
who never GIVE anything to anybody. One way or another
sponsors will see to it that a contest is skewed to
promote THEIR products. IF there are going to be
any prizes, I would much prefer that they remain
small token prizes to enhance the fun of participating,
say a coffee cup with the winning image.
Best Regards,
Mike C.
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Fa3ien wrote:
> Look at when prizes were dropped. Must explain a lot. Reviving IRTC
> without prizes is the recipe for a new disaster.
Prizes were never an important part of the IRTC. The vast majority of
entrants enter not to win something physical but for the satisfaction of
doing so. They also benefit from the respect of their peers.
If we were to have prizes at all, I would prefer that they be relevant
(e.g. a poster print of, perhaps, the winning image, or some other image of
the entrants choosing).
-- Chris
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One thing we might want to consider is whether or not, this time around, we
decide that IRTC stands for 'raytracing competition' or 'rendering
competition'. Officially it's always stood for 'raytracing competition',
even though the IRTC permitted scanline rendered images to be submitted.
My personal feeling is that I would like to see the IRTC be a raytracing
competition. I'm sure there are other places that folks who use scanline
renderers can compete; there are fewer opportunities for raytracer users
to compete with others using only raytracing.
-- Chris
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Chris Cason wrote:
> One thing we might want to consider is whether or not, this time around, we
> decide that IRTC stands for 'raytracing competition' or 'rendering
> competition'. Officially it's always stood for 'raytracing competition',
> even though the IRTC permitted scanline rendered images to be submitted.
>
> My personal feeling is that I would like to see the IRTC be a raytracing
> competition. I'm sure there are other places that folks who use scanline
> renderers can compete; there are fewer opportunities for raytracer users
> to compete with others using only raytracing.
But then we get into questions about GI renderers that don't follow the
traditional raytracing paradigm.
Personally, I've always thought of it as a POV-Ray competition anyway,
even if it wasn't the official POV-Comp ;)
--
...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com
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Chris Cason napsal(a):
> Fa3ien wrote:
>> Look at when prizes were dropped. Must explain a lot. Reviving IRTC
>> without prizes is the recipe for a new disaster.
>
> Prizes were never an important part of the IRTC. The vast majority of
> entrants enter not to win something physical but for the satisfaction of
> doing so. They also benefit from the respect of their peers.
>
> If we were to have prizes at all, I would prefer that they be relevant
> (e.g. a poster print of, perhaps, the winning image, or some other image of
> the entrants choosing).
>
> -- Chris
I would like a puzzle (1000+ pieces) of the picture ;-)
This amplifies any mistake :-)
--
the ultimate time-killer:
+a0.0 +am2 +r9
Johnny D
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Chambers <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> wrote:
> But then we get into questions about GI renderers that don't follow the
> traditional raytracing paradigm.
If they render by tracing rays, they are raytracers.
I think the more relevant question is whether hybrid renderers are
acceptable. In other words, those which render the "first recursion
level" by scanline-rendering, and deeper recursion levels (reflections,
refractions, shadows...) by raytracing.
--
- Warp
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:10:35 +1100, Chris Cason
<del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
>One thing we might want to consider is whether or not, this time around, we
>decide that IRTC stands for 'raytracing competition' or 'rendering
>competition'. Officially it's always stood for 'raytracing competition',
>even though the IRTC permitted scanline rendered images to be submitted.
>
>My personal feeling is that I would like to see the IRTC be a raytracing
>competition. I'm sure there are other places that folks who use scanline
>renderers can compete; there are fewer opportunities for raytracer users
>to compete with others using only raytracing.
>
My own personal opinion is similar to yours. The IRTC is hosted on the PovRay
server so it seems natural that it should be for PovRay rendered images. But the
IRTC has historically permitted scanline rendered images to be submitted and it
reaches a wide audience. So we have two contests now. The TINA CHeP which was
born on these newsgroups is really only known here. So I propose that the IRTC
should be open to all computer art and with St's agreement and permission TINA
CHeP is a PovRay only challenge.
Regards
Stephen
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Do you believe in fate, Chris Cason?
[...]
> If we were to have prizes at all, I would prefer that they be relevant
> (e.g. a poster print of, perhaps, the winning image, or some other image of
> the entrants choosing).
>
IRTC CD would be nice price... :)
> -- Chris
Slawek
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"Stephen" <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> schreef in bericht
news:bjv9t3tperl2t9c6219mn8mbo0hmi7tfvh@4ax.com...
> My own personal opinion is similar to yours. The IRTC is hosted on the
> PovRay
> server so it seems natural that it should be for PovRay rendered images.
> But the
> IRTC has historically permitted scanline rendered images to be submitted
> and it
> reaches a wide audience. So we have two contests now. The TINA CHeP which
> was
> born on these newsgroups is really only known here. So I propose that the
> IRTC
> should be open to all computer art and with St's agreement and permission
> TINA
> CHeP is a PovRay only challenge.
>
That seems to be an interesting idea... I might be inclined to second that
proposal :-)
Thomas
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David Buck <dav### [at] simberoncom> wrote:
> I do realize that while the IRTC was down, the TC-RTC started up. There
> has been some discussion here that there's no need for two competitions.
> Still, it's the IRTC that has the most visibility and the new site
> should attract a lot more. We will import all of the previous years
> competition results into the system and have them available for viewing
> once the site is up.
Stupid question I could google later: is blender a ray tracer?
RE: TOPICS
One of the things I liked the least about the IRTC was that its Topic Suggestion
System was constantly spammed ;-) by folks seemingly biased towards wooden
demonstration of exhaustive photorealism rather than fun storytelling. The
coolest thing about the TC-RTC is its topic system, which is based on a
collection of some of the cooler 800 book titles that are out of print.
http://news.povray.org/povray.text.scene-files/thread/%3Cweb.45ff13a5e7f00d1334d207310%40news.povray.org%3E/
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Thomas de Groot napsal(a):
> "Stephen" <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> schreef in bericht
> news:bjv9t3tperl2t9c6219mn8mbo0hmi7tfvh@4ax.com...
>
>> My own personal opinion is similar to yours. The IRTC is hosted on the
>> PovRay
>> server so it seems natural that it should be for PovRay rendered images.
>> But the
>> IRTC has historically permitted scanline rendered images to be submitted
>> and it
>> reaches a wide audience. So we have two contests now. The TINA CHeP which
>> was
>> born on these newsgroups is really only known here. So I propose that the
>> IRTC
>> should be open to all computer art and with St's agreement and permission
>> TINA
>> CHeP is a PovRay only challenge.
>>
>
> That seems to be an interesting idea... I might be inclined to second that
> proposal :-)
>
> Thomas
>
>
I second that, too
--
You know you've been raytracing too long when...
you ever saw a beautiful scenerey and regretted not to take your 6"
reflective ball and a digital camera, thinking "this would have been a
perfect light probe"
-Johnny D
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:05:43 EST, "gregjohn" <pte### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>Stupid question I could google later: is blender a ray tracer?
Blender's internal render engine does have ray-tracing capabilities, however, I don't
think I'd categorize Blender as a ray tracer. Ray tracing is just one part of its
toolset.
A little O.T. from your question... YafRay, an external raytracer, can be
incorporated with Blender as well. I personally prefer to use Blender's internal
render engine while working on a scene,
then Blender -> PoseRay -> POV-Ray for final renders.
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:35:28 +0100, "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet>
wrote:
>
>"Stephen" <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> schreef in bericht
>news:bjv9t3tperl2t9c6219mn8mbo0hmi7tfvh@4ax.com...
>
>> My own personal opinion is similar to yours. The IRTC is hosted on the
>> PovRay
>> server so it seems natural that it should be for PovRay rendered images.
>> But the
>> IRTC has historically permitted scanline rendered images to be submitted
>> and it
>> reaches a wide audience. So we have two contests now. The TINA CHeP which
>> was
>> born on these newsgroups is really only known here. So I propose that the
>> IRTC
>> should be open to all computer art and with St's agreement and permission
>> TINA
>> CHeP is a PovRay only challenge.
>>
>
>That seems to be an interesting idea... I might be inclined to second that
>proposal :-)
>
I suppose a lot depends on St it is his site
Regards
Stephen
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"Kyle" <hob### [at] gatenet> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:05:43 EST, "gregjohn" <pte### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>
> A little O.T. from your question... YafRay, an external raytracer, can be
> incorporated with Blender as well. I personally prefer to use Blender's
> internal render engine while working on a scene,
> then Blender -> PoseRay -> POV-Ray for final renders.
That's me too, but Wings>PoseRay>PoV-Ray.
~Steve~
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:51:12 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
> That's me too, but Wings>PoseRay>PoV-Ray.
That was me too, but I like challenges. I took on the challenge of learning the
Blender user
interface. :-p
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