Someone from Italy claims to be opening a "bowling club" and has asked to
buy the image http://www.slimeland.com/images/pictures/SpaceBowling.jpg for
one of their walls. I and the other guy who made it have no problem with
this, but we have no idea what price to ask, and no experience to even get a
ballpark figure.

What sort of price is reasonable for this sort of thing? Should it change if
we have to go to the trouble of doing a high resolution render for him (and
how much)?

Any advice is appreciated, thanks.

 - Slime
 [ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]

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I assume he is the one who is going to get it printed etc... In which case 
I'd suggest something reasonable (say 50 euro)...

If you make it too expensive he'll goelsewhere, but if you are clever you 
might wangle a commissio from him for more artwork.

Rarius


"Slime" <fak### [at] emailaddress> wrote in message 
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> Someone from Italy claims to be opening a "bowling club" and has asked to
> buy the image http://www.slimeland.com/images/pictures/SpaceBowling.jpg 
> for
> one of their walls. I and the other guy who made it have no problem with
> this, but we have no idea what price to ask, and no experience to even get 
> a
> ballpark figure.
>
> What sort of price is reasonable for this sort of thing? Should it change 
> if
> we have to go to the trouble of doing a high resolution render for him 
> (and
> how much)?
>
> Any advice is appreciated, thanks.
>
> - Slime
> [ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]
>
>

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"Rarius" <rar### [at] rariuscouk> wrote:
> I assume he is the one who is going to get it printed etc... In which case
> I'd suggest something reasonable (say 50 euro)...
>
> If you make it too expensive he'll goelsewhere, but if you are clever you
> might wangle a commissio from him for more artwork.
>
> Rarius
>


it. I would sell the right to use it for say Euro 500 or get it printed
professionally yourself and add a markup of 100%



Stephen

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Slime schrieb:
> Someone from Italy claims to be opening a "bowling club" and has asked to
> buy the image http://www.slimeland.com/images/pictures/SpaceBowling.jpg for
> one of their walls. I and the other guy who made it have no problem with
> this, but we have no idea what price to ask, and no experience to even get a
> ballpark figure.
> 
> What sort of price is reasonable for this sort of thing? Should it change if
> we have to go to the trouble of doing a high resolution render for him (and
> how much)?

For a print to be used for private purposes it usually makes sense to 
have the pricing for the image itself not higher than the costs for 
printing and adequately framing the image.  For use in a business 
location you can exceed this since the material costs are regarded more 
secondary and usually a much higher value lies in a well suited image 
motive for the customer.  This is for selling printed images and as said 
only for the price of the image motive itself (add printing and 
supplementary costs like for a larger render).

In general i would be careful with sending out high resolution image 
files to people who want to print it themselves.  Even if you have a 
clear contract with the customer saying he is only entitled to do a 
single print the file will usually go through the hands of others who do 
not feel bound to any contract.  If your customer insists on getting the 
digital image i would make the pricing more similar to a volume use 
license for a custom image.

-- Christoph

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Christoph Hormann wrote:
> Slime schrieb:
>> Someone from Italy claims to be opening a "bowling club" and has asked to
>> buy the image
>> http://www.slimeland.com/images/pictures/SpaceBowling.jpg for
>> one of their walls. I and the other guy who made it have no problem with
>> this, but we have no idea what price to ask, and no experience to even
>> get a
>> ballpark figure.
>>
>> What sort of price is reasonable for this sort of thing? Should it
>> change if
>> we have to go to the trouble of doing a high resolution render for him
>> (and
>> how much)?
> 
> For a print to be used for private purposes it usually makes sense to
> have the pricing for the image itself not higher than the costs for
> printing and adequately framing the image.  For use in a business
> location you can exceed this since the material costs are regarded more
> secondary and usually a much higher value lies in a well suited image
> motive for the customer.  This is for selling printed images and as said
> only for the price of the image motive itself (add printing and
> supplementary costs like for a larger render).
> 
> In general i would be careful with sending out high resolution image
> files to people who want to print it themselves.  Even if you have a
> clear contract with the customer saying he is only entitled to do a
> single print the file will usually go through the hands of others who do
> not feel bound to any contract.  If your customer insists on getting the
> digital image i would make the pricing more similar to a volume use
> license for a custom image.
> 
> -- Christoph

To add to this, get everything in writing. If they want it to paint on a
single wall, your price might be different than if they want to print it
on posters and sell them by the door. If you sell it to them for one
use, make sure it is in writing that they get it for just that one
purpose and nothing else. If you really want to be professional,
copyright the image, and make sure they know it's copyrighted.

I have a meeting in an hour, so I can't find any photography forms you
could use as a basis for a contract. When I get home later, I'll see if
I can find them. The Advertising Photographers of America and other
agencies might have forms you could start from, changing the words for
what you are selling this bowling alley.

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However you decide to provide your image and at whatever price, I would
suggest that you request the owner to place a small card next to the image
with your name, contact info, web site, etc.  I see art in banks and
reastarants all the time (in the US) and the artist is always identified.
The object of this is to attract more business.

Now I am really curious.  Are there many POVray artists making something
resembling a modest income from selling their images?

-Allan

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Rarius wrote:
> I assume he is the one who is going to get it printed etc... In which case 
> I'd suggest something reasonable (say 50 euro)...
> 
> If you make it too expensive he'll goelsewhere, but if you are clever you 
> might wangle a commissio from him for more artwork.
> 
> Rarius
> 
I second this advice.

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Thanks for your advice everyone.

 - Slime
 [ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]

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