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From: Chris Cason
Subject: POV-Ray v3.7.beta.11c available.
Date: 5 Feb 2006 09:19:59
Message: <43e6098f@news.povray.org>
POV-Ray 3.7.beta.11c is available from http://www.povray.org/beta/.

This beta is currently for the Windows platform only and includes standard,
SSE2, and 64-bit binaries.

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The following features are not yet supported but will be added prior to release
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  o Light and vista buffers. These will be replaced with a more efficient system.
  o Redirecting text message output to files.

Known issues which will be fixed
--------------------------------

  o There is an issue with media and transparency. See <42769324$1@news.povray.org>.
  o The windows editor does not always detect new files as type 'povray'.
  o In many cases speed is not as good as 3.6.
  o Radiosity support is still alpha quality.
  o No preview during radiosity pre-trace.
  o Dispersion support is alpha and there are some issues.
  o 'Pixels rendered' count during mosaic preview will be incorrect.
  o Photons do not currently work.

Changes between 3.7.beta.10 and 3.7.beta.11c
--------------------------------------------

No core bugs have been fixed. This release extends the expiration time
to the start of April 2006 and provides a new render window feature.

  Render Window
  -------------

  The new render window mode is only available on Windows 2000 or later.
  The presence of this code may case the beta to be unable to load on
  Windows 9x systems; if this occurs it will be fixed in the next beta.
  Note that we have not tested this new code on a Windows 2000 system,
  so we can't comment on how well it will work on those systems.

  To activate the new render window, open the 'Render Window' sub-menu in
  the 'Options' menu, and select the 'Use New-style Render Window' entry.

  The new render window is designed to help users get around the issue of
  the render window getting in the way when doing edit/render/fix cycles.
  It supports a 'transparency' mode that is in effect two things: both
  optical transparency (or more specifically translucency), and input
  transparency (more specifically, the Windows WS_EX_TRANSPARENT style).

  'Input transparency' means that the window is transparent to input -
  so if you move your mouse over it or attempt to click on it, the mouse
  messages are in fact sent to whatever is underneath the window. In
  effect therefore it is as if the window were not there - even if you
  can still see it.

  The effect of this is that, coupled with translucency, you can both
  see what is under the window (e.g. the POV-Ray editor), and also work
  with it (typing or selecting with the mouse, etc).

  'Input Transparency' is enabled whenever you set the translucency of
  the render window to 25% or more (see below). At settings less than
  this, the render window will behave more or less as normal (though
  without some of the features of the classic render window, such as the
  ability to be de-coupled from the main window such that it does not
  get hidden when the main window is minimized).

  To set the translucency of the render window, either rotate your mouse
  wheel when the render window has focus (this is the preferred method),
  or alternatively right-click on the window's title bar and choose a
  setting from the context menu that is provided.

  When the render window has input focus, translucency is removed and it
  becomes opaque. It will switch back once another window gets focus, or
  if you adjust the translucency using one of the above methods.

  If you want to work with input transparency, it is important that you
  understand that this means you can't work with the render window in
  the manner you are accustomed to, since of course the window will pass
  input to the application below it. To allow for interaction with the
  window in this circumstance, we have added a feature whereby hovering
  the mouse over the render window's caption for a short time, or clicking
  on the title bar, will activate the window, make it opaque, and allow
  input to be processed normally.

  (Of course the ability to click on the caption means that it's not
  completely input transparent, and we might disable this feature later
  if the hover feature works out well).

  You will know if your mouse is over the appropriate area of the window
  since the cursor will turn to a hourglass shape during the 'hover' time.

  Provided that the window is left in input transparency mode, if you
  move your mouse out of the window for a short time, it will automatically
  snap back into its former translucent mode.

  You can tell if the window is in input transparency mode by looking for
  a '[T]' at the start of the render window caption. If present, then it's
  going to pass input to the application underneath it. While adjusting
  the translucency with the mouse wheel, the caption will display the new
  translucency setting and, if appropriate, a comment that the window has
  switched to passing input. (Recall however that this doesn't kick in
  until you switch focus to another window).

Changes between 3.7.beta.9 and 3.7.beta.10
------------------------------------------

Added gamma correction support.
Add more frequent stop-checking to all render tasks.
Radiosity now works a lot better than beta.9.
Fixed some memory leaks in radiosity.
Fixed crash in some image file reads.
Improved handling of cancel render in windows version.
Fixed output filename generation logic.
Changed all internal file paths to UCS2.
Fix for using truetype in CSG.
Improved responsiveness in backend.

  Gamma Correction
  ----------------

  The way POV-Ray 3.7 handles the 'assumed_gamma' keyword has changed.
  Previously the presence of this keyword in global_settings caused a
  'possible error' warning and its presence was ignored. In addition
  no gamma correction was available in previous betas. Starting with
  beta.10 however, gamma correction is performed on both the display and
  file output, subject to the following criteria:

    o If the scene language version is set to 3.7 (or not set at all), then
      gamma correction will default to ON, with the value used being set by
      the 'display_gamma' INI file setting. Note that in previous versions of
      POV-Ray gamma correction was OFF by default but otherwise this is the
      same.

    o If the scene language version is set to earlier than 3.7, then gamma
      will be OFF by default.

    o Notwithstanding the above, if the keyword 'assumed_gamma' is present
      in the scene's global_settings, then POV will take one of the following
      actions:

        a) if "assumed_gamma 2.2" is present, gamma correction will be turned
           OFF and a warning issued. the same thing will happen if the value
           specified is not 2.2 but happens to be the default for the platform
           setting given to POV-Ray when it was compiled (e.g. Windows is 2.2).

        b) if "assumed_gamma 1.0" is present, gamma correction will be turned
           ON (if it's not already on) and in any case a warning will be issued.

        c) if a value other than the above is specified, it is ignored and a
           'possible error' message is issued.

      You will note from the above that therefore it is no longer possible to
      adjust the amount of gamma correction from a scene file. This is as
      designed since scene files should be as much as possible be platform
      independent, and the gamma of particular display hardware does not belong
      in the scene file. If you really need to specify 'assumed_gamma' you can
      do so in an INI file or on the command-line; however in those cases you
      may as well just use 'display_gamma' in its place.

      When writing file formats that support gamma specification, the inverse
      of the assumed_gamma value will be embedded in the file headers, so that
      an appropriately equipped display program can 'undo' the gamma correction
      if it is so desired. This is as per previous versions of POV-Ray.

  Frontend and Backend
  --------------------

  Note that POV-Ray uses a logical separation of frontend and backend. The
  'frontend' is that part which deals with the user-interface, locating files,
  parsing command-line options, reading INI files, and so forth. The 'backend'
  deals with parsing the scene file and doing the actual render. These two parts
  of POV-Ray communicate via a message-passing interface, even when linked into
  the one executable program.

  Whilst currently not supported, it is entirely possible to separate the front
  and back ends via for example a network interface, and have the render done
  on one machine while the user interface (and display) is on another. Knowing
  this may make it easier to understand why, for example, we are moving away
  from allowing things such as gamma correction to be specified in the scene
  file; there is no reason to assume the scene file is on the same machine as
  the image will be displayed upon, and as such the specification of gamma
  should be done in the frontend via INI or command-line options.

  There will be more changes along these lines as we prepare for the future
  transition to a fully network-capable renderer. The POV-Team will attempt
  to ease the change to the new system by doing things such as the assumed_gamma
  interpretation above, where it is possible to do so.

Changes between 3.7.beta.8 and 3.7.beta.9
-----------------------------------------

Fixed crash caused by resource exhaustion (too many threads); refer
  <4303d267$1@news.povray.org>.
Addressed state issue referred to in
  <web.42af2f04951c51e46a3607400@news.povray.org>.
Fixed output file reporting issue reported in
  <web.430dc75ff23d654e726bd13c0@news.povray.org>.
Fixed AA method 2 crash reported in <430358ed@news.povray.org>.
Fixed render window re-display problem.
Moved assumed_gamma to command-line or INI-file only option (causes
  warning if found in scene).
Fixed focal blur problem.

  Render block size
  -----------------

  You now have the ability to specify the render block size via either an
  INI-style option ("Render_Block_Size=n") or on the command-line ("+BSn"),
  where 'n' is an integer larger than or equal to 4. This represents the
  edge size of the square used to distribute work to the render threads,
  and thus the number of pixels in each block will be n squared.

  The default value is 32. If you specify a value that is greater than the
  larger of the width or height of the image being rendered, it is clipped
  to that value.

  Note that using render block sizes of less than eight can impact performance,
  particularly on large images that render quickly, as it significantly
  increases the amount of message traffic between the render backend and the
  graphical frontend (which communicate using a shared-memory queue).

  Editor
  ------

  A few changes have been made to the editor in the hope of avoiding the
  error that some users get when it attempts to open a file that has been
  removed from the disk. We have not been able to replicate this error
  ourselves (the code was already designed to handle this situation) so we
  have added some extra checks. The net result of this is that when a file
  no longer exists, instead of opening a blank file, the edit session for
  that file will instead be discarded.

  Additionally we have improved the handling of modified files during active
  application changes; now, you should never get more than one message box
  displayed at any one time (which previously could happen if you switched
  focus multiple times).

  Dispersion
  ----------

  Dispersion has been added back, however this is still mostly untested.
  There will be numerous issues with this; we would appreciate help in
  identifying what they are and where they may lie (i.e. reports that
  'dispersion doesn't work properly' with no additional information will
  not be of much help).

  Radiosity
  ---------

  Radiosity has been re-enabled. Currently it is limited to a single thread
  and has some issues. As stated for dispersion, we would appreciate assistance
  in determining where individual issues lie and what influences them.

  Multi-thread support will be added later, once the radiosity code settles
  down and is functioning as expected in single-thread mode.

  Mosaic Preview
  --------------

  Mosaic preview now works again. The same issue as mentioned in the above
  section on render block size apply; we don't recommend using an end preview
  size of less than 8. Note that unless you specify an end preview size the
  code will default to using +ep2, so it is strongly recommended that you
  do provide it.

  Be aware that when using mosaic preview, the count of rendered pixels shown
  in the status bar will be wrong. This will be fixed later.

  Improved handling of large render sizes
  ---------------------------------------

  Handling of large renders (e.g. 10,000 x 5,000 pixels) has been improved.
  Previously the intermediate data structure used to store rendered pixels
  was held in RAM. On windows it is now stored in a virtual-memory backed
  file which maps to the swap file. This means that your swap file needs to
  have at least enough free space to store this file at the start of a render.
  For reference, the amount of room needed is roughly 20 bytes per pixel, so
  the above example 10,000 x 5,000 pixel image would need one gigabyte in the
  swap file.

  One other issue to be aware of is that, on windows, there has to be enough
  contiguous virtual address space available to hold the file. This can be a
  problem since by default many Win32 systems only provide each process a total
  of two gigabytes of address space, which is then divided up amongst the
  exe and its various DLL's, the local heap, stack, and so forth. Additionally
  some Win9x versions (at the least Windows 95) will only allow a maximum of
  one gigabyte to be mapped in this way, and that is divided up amongst other
  resources as well.

  Therefore it is entirely possible that even if you have sufficient swap space
  the allocation of the memory mapped file will fail, at least for win32 users
  (win64 won't have this problem). We are working to fix this limitation by
  moving to a less efficient but more reliable file-based solution.

  One final note: please be aware that the Windows process manager will add the
  amount of virtual memory mapped by a process in this way to its total memory
  statistics. Please don't assume that the figure reported by Windows is
  necessarily the amount of physical RAM being used.

Changes between 3.7.beta.7 and 3.7.beta.8
-----------------------------------------

AA buffering restored; AA should be as efficient as version 3.6 now.
Fixed major problem in crackle when using more than one thread.
Reverted to older version of Intel compiler to avoid some optimization bugs.
Added HDR file support (RGBE, as used in Radiance).
Added EXR file support using OpenEXR library (http://www.openexr.org/).
Fixed animation clock jump issue.

  HDR Support
  -----------

  As of this beta POV-Ray now supports two HDR formats for input and output.
  Firstly, .HDR files (as used in Radiance), and secondly, .EXR files (see
  www.openexr.org).

  The OpenEXR format is currently supported in basic form; no options can be
  set and we do not store any additional data such as a thumbnail or camera
  transform. We will add options later on. The EXR reading code should handle
  any valid EXR file, while the writing code currently only creates RGBA data
  in Half format.

  The EXR support is based on OpenEXR (http://www.openexr.org/) from ILM, who
  use it internally for all their film production. The format is flexible; we
  recommend anyone interested in HDR read the introduction that can be found
  at http://www.openexr.com/TechnicalIntroduction.pdf.

  Also at the above site you can obtain a HDR image viewer and a Photoshop
  plugin (Windows and Macintosh) that reads and writes EXR files.

  Please note that POV-Ray does not gamma-adjust the HDR or EXR files; they
  are stored with a gamma of 1.0. The OpenEXR viewer assumes a gamma of 2.2
  so the images will look washed out. The Photoshop plugin allows you to set
  the gamma to 1.0 on loading and thus will work as expected.

  To use HDR input, use file type 'hdr' in your SDL. To write a HDR file,
  specify '+fh'. For EXR use 'exr' and '+fe'.

Changes between 3.7.beta.6 and 3.7.beta.7
-----------------------------------------

New thread-safe random number generator added.
Continue trace support added. See below for details.
Animation support added.
Made render cancellation more responsive when large numbers of threads are
  in use.
Fixed most wrapping problems in windows message display.

  Continue Trace Support
  ----------------------

  The continue trace support has completely changed from the method used by
  past versions of POV-Ray. Previously, various means of attempting to detect
  the rendered and non-rendered portions of an output image file were used to
  determine where to resume rendering, and the pre-rendered portion of the
  image was read from the partially-written output file.

  As of POV 3.7, *no output file is written until the render is complete*.
  It is vital to remember this if you depended on having a partial image
  written for some reason other than POV's internal use. Instead of a image
  file, POV will (providing image file output is turned on) write a render
  state file, which has a name based on the output image file name. For
  example, if POV would write 'sphere.png' as the output file, the render
  state file would be called 'sphere.png.pov-state'.

  This render state file contains the raw floating-point image data that is
  generated by POV, including filter and transmit. It will later on also
  contain other information such as all render options, etc. The data itself
  is stored in an internal format that we may document at a later stage.

  If a render if sucessful, the render state file is deleted and the output
  file written. Note that this order will be changed (the state file should
  not be deleted until the image is written, in case the write fails). We may
  give the option of preserving the state file at some future point.

  If a render is started with the +C option (continue trace), POV will first
  check to see if the output image exists and is of non-zero length. If so
  the render will be skipped. Note that no attempt is (currently) made to
  sanity-check the file to ensure it is a valid image file or of appropriate
  format or size.

  If the output file does not exist, POV will then look for the render state
  file. If found it does a basic sanity check on it then loads the data in it
  and proceeds to render the unrendered portion of the image.

  It is very important to note that the data is stored in the state file in
  'blocks' (the same size as the render blocks that were used when the first
  part of the image was rendered). The size of render blocks can change if
  image resolution changes. Currently the continue code does NOT check for
  this and will simply load what is there. If the render size has changed
  sufficiently enough to change the block size when you run a continued trace
  it is almost guaranteed that you will not get what you expect.

Changes between 3.7.beta.5a and 3.7.beta.6
------------------------------------------

Fixed quadric bounding problem.
Fixed CSG merge problem.
Made numerous other changes to speed up code, should be closer to v3.6.1 now.

Changes between 3.7.beta.5 and 3.7.beta.5a
------------------------------------------

Fixed bug reported in <428de855@news.povray.org> re:sunsethf.pov.
Worked around SMP bug in trace related to lighting code altering lightsources
  during render.

Changes between 3.7.beta.4 and 3.7.beta.5
-----------------------------------------

Fixed a photon building issue that caused progressive slowdown.
Fixed scattering media problem reported in <427ca163@news.povray.org>.
  (This also fixes <427c0121@news.povray.org>).
Parser now honors Split_Unions and Remove_Bounds options.
Fixed lathe artifacts bug reported in <427c0f95@news.povray.org>.
Fixed no_image and no_reflection issues reported in
  <427c1900@news.povray.org>.
Fixed area light orient issue reported in <427c14ef@news.povray.org>.
Fixed issue where a new clip statement would overwrite a previous one rather
  than appending to it.
Fixed speed issue with quadrics by reverting to old bbox calculation method.
Fixed a swathe of memory leaks.

Changes between 3.7.beta.3 and 3.7.beta.4
-----------------------------------------

Fixed indexed PNG alpha problem reported in <42765ef3$1@news.povray.org>.
Fix area light problem reported in <427a3fa5$1@news.povray.org>.
Fixed crash during trace of lathe reported in <42796797@news.povray.org>.
Improved handling of cancel/pause render.
Fixed max_trace_level calculation and display (see
  <42769105@news.povray.org>).
Fixed image memory leak.
Fixed speed issues reported in <42769f6d@news.povray.org>.
Fixed shadow problem mentioned in <42769f6d@news.povray.org>.
Fixed sphere_sweep bug reported in <42773e51@news.povray.org>.
Fixed 'inverting pre-declared union' crash reported in
  <42769b59@news.povray.org>.
Fixed focal blur issue.
Fixed omnimax camera bug reported in <42775c1b$1@news.povray.org>, plus
  several other related camera issues.
Fixed facets pattern crash reported in <42773fab$1@news.povray.org>.

Changes between 3.7.beta.2 and 3.7.beta.3
-----------------------------------------

Partial render (start col/row etc) now works
Fixed CSG merge issue reported in <42645c3b@news.povray.org>.
Added warning and better progress reporting to photons.
Some hollow media fixes.
Re-enabled alpha display in render window for windows port.
Fixed alpha bug reported in <web.426402d627a031d914107e060@news.povray.org>
Fixed no_image bug from <web.426402d627a031d914107e060@news.povray.org>
Changed default bounding threshold back to 3 as per v3.6.
Fixed alpha inversion bug in BMP, Targa, and PNG file reading/writing.
Fixed crash mentioned in <42689685@news.povray.org>.
Fixed noise generator default issue reported in <426898db@news.povray.org>.
Fixed irid problem reported in <42680b39@news.povray.org>.
Fix for area light problem from Massimo Valentini.
Made quick_colour work as it should.

Changes between 3.7.beta.1 and 3.7.beta.2
-----------------------------------------

CSG should now work properly
Problem with too many recursions when rendering shadows fixed
I/O restrictions should now work
Fixed recursion bug in renderer
Initialise photon variables
Restore ability to open error file in editor (note: column number not always
  correct).
Fixes no-display crash
Fixes image closing bug
Tweak to some radiosity local vars
Fixes rendering area bug
Fixes AA method 2 brightness issue
Add output file type '+FB' (bmp).
Add 'bmp' token to parser.
Fix for BMP reading.
File output defaults to on.
Fix render quality options output.
Change references to 'CPU(s)' to 'thread(s)'.
Update render time output to include fractional seconds.
Fix crash reported in <4263125b@news.povray.org> and one related bug.

Intentional changes for POV-Ray 3.7
-----------------------------------

The version directive and command-line setting no longer provide compati-
bility  with most rendering bugs in versions prior to POV-Ray 3.5. However,
compatibility with the scene language is provided for scenes as old as POV-
Ray 1.0 just as in all previous versions of POV-Ray. Nevertheless, we
strongly recommend you update scenes at least to POV-Ray 3.5 syntax if you
plan to use them in future versions of POV-Ray.

This version uses multi-threaded rendering by default. The ability to render
in more than one thread is primarily of use to those users who have SMP
machines (i.e. more than one CPU). There have been reports of benefits for
users of hyperthreading systems, particularly with higher thread counts (e.g.
16 threads).

You can render in only one thread by using the '/THREADS 1' switch in the
Windows version. Note that parsing and photon building will only use one
thread no matter how many are specified. However photon scenes will benefit
from multiple threads once photon building has completed.


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From: Francois LE COAT
Subject: Re: POV-Ray v3.7.beta.11c available.
Date: 5 Feb 2006 11:12:37
Message: <43e623f5$1@news.povray.org>
Hi,

Chris Cason wrote :
> POV-Ray 3.7.beta.11c is available from http://www.povray.org/beta/.
> 
> This beta is currently for the Windows platform only and includes stand
ard,
> SSE2, and 64-bit binaries.

That's a shame that POVRay beta is only available for Windows. My policy
as a developer is to support Linux and MacOSX platforms ... I do regret
that the POVTeam has the exact opposed policy :( Who benefit from it ?

Regards,


Author of Eureka 2.12 (2D Graph Describer, 3D Modeller)
http://eureka.atari.org


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From: Francois LE COAT
Subject: Re: POV-Ray v3.7.beta.11c available.
Date: 5 Feb 2006 11:40:47
Message: <43e62a8f$1@news.povray.org>
Hi,


> POV-Ray 3.7.beta.11c is available from http://www.povray.org/beta/.
> 
> This beta is currently for the Windows platform only and includes stand
ard,
> SSE2, and 64-bit binaries.

That's a shame that POVRay beta is only available for Windows. My policy
as a developer is to support Linux and MacOSX platforms ... I do regret
that the POVTeam has the exact opposed policy :( Who benefit from it ?

Regards,


Author of Eureka 2.12 (2D Graph Describer, 3D Modeller)
http://eureka.atari.org


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From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: POV-Ray v3.7.beta.11c available.
Date: 5 Feb 2006 12:04:36
Message: <43e63024$1@news.povray.org>
Be glad they're releasing anything at all, for starters.  If they were 
being paid, they might be obligated to do certain things.  But they're 
not.  Got a problem with it?  Write your own raytracer.

-- 
Tim Cook
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-empyrean

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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: POV-Ray v3.7.beta.11c available.
Date: 5 Feb 2006 12:22:49
Message: <43e63469$1@news.povray.org>
Francois LE COAT wrote:
> That's a shame that POVRay beta is only available for Windows. My policy
> as a developer is to support Linux and MacOSX platforms ... I do regret
> that the POVTeam has the exact opposed policy :(

The majority of beta testers has always been on Windows (as the majority of 
users of POV-Ray are on Windows). It takes a lot of time to prepare every 
beta, and it takes even more time supporting it.

I also think it has not escaped your (or at least most of the people around 
here) attention that currently the POV-Team members' time for POV-Ray is 
very limited, having already caused delays of 3.7 beta development and bug 
fixing, due to mention real-life limitations. As such, there simply has been 
no time yet to create a Mac or Linux beta version as there are more urgent 
core code bugs to be fixed and features to be completed.

 > Who benefit from it ?

The Mac and Linux users benefit the most, because once they get a beta, they 
will have a very solid beta already because the Windows users will have 
found the majority of bugs.

	Thorsten


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From: Francois LE COAT
Subject: Re: POV-Ray v3.7.beta.11c available.
Date: 5 Feb 2006 12:30:46
Message: <43e63646@news.povray.org>
Hi Tim,

Tim Cook wrote :
> Be glad they're releasing anything at all, for starters.  If they were 

> being paid, they might be obligated to do certain things.  But they're 

> not.  Got a problem with it?  Write your own raytracer.

I'm not speaking about my personal interest, but about general policy.
I'm supporting POV for more than 10 years now. Specially on ATARI
platforms. Do you know that Windows is *the* latest non Unix OS ?
Why should it be promoted rather than any other OS ?

Regards,


Author of Eureka 2.12 (2D Graph Describer, 3D Modeller)
http://eureka.atari.org


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: POV-Ray v3.7.beta.11c available.
Date: 5 Feb 2006 12:38:30
Message: <43e63816$1@news.povray.org>
Francois LE COAT wrote:
> Why should it be promoted rather than any other OS ?

Market share.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
    Crate & Barrel -
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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: POV-Ray v3.7.beta.11c available.
Date: 5 Feb 2006 13:05:03
Message: <ds5emh$d72$1@chho.imagico.de>
Tim Cook wrote:
> Be glad they're releasing anything at all, for starters.  If they were 
> being paid, they might be obligated to do certain things.  But they're 
> not.  Got a problem with it?  Write your own raytracer.

That's actually quite misleading.  POV-Ray is open to everyone 
interested to use and improve it.  The fact that the beta is currently 
only available for a single platform does not mean you can't get 
involved with improving POV-Ray when on a different platform.

And just to once again make this clear (although it has been mentioned 
several times already):  The 3.7 beta is not yet near being ready for 
production use.

Christoph

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From: ingo
Subject: Re: POV-Ray v3.7.beta.11c available.
Date: 5 Feb 2006 14:24:57
Message: <Xns9761CFADD3F36seed7@news.povray.org>
in news:43e6098f@news.povray.org Chris Cason wrote:

> The new render window is designed to help users get around the issue
> of the render window getting in the way when doing edit/render/fix
> cycles.

Nice feature, thanks Chris.


Ingo


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: POV-Ray v3.7.beta.11c available.
Date: 5 Feb 2006 15:30:10
Message: <43e66052$1@news.povray.org>
"ingo" <ing### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message 
news:Xns9761CFADD3F36seed7@news.povray.org...
> in news:43e6098f@news.povray.org Chris Cason wrote:
>
>> The new render window
>
> Nice feature

Definitely. I'll second that thankyou.

If I may suggest something... it might be best to leave it opaque initially 
even when set to shift to semi-transparent, that way it could be seen 
normally when a render is started. I'm thinking this because it might make 
test renders difficult to see correctly, also if intended to let it finish 
without further editing, Otherwise the setting, or placement of cursor 
(lacking a scroll wheel), needs changing in the menu to keep opacity for 
those situations so it just makes more sense to me that it be opaque at the 
onset of a render and only be semi-transparent thereafter when focusing on 
the editor at some time.

Bob Hughes


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