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Actually it's megapov I'm using at the moment, which does provide a 64-bit
linux version. But I'm reasonably comfortable doing my own compilation
anyway. Not sure if I need the x-windows display, since that's the kind of
thing I want advice on! I'm not sure what the best way is to use pov under
linux.
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Tek
http://evilsuperbrain.com
"Christoph Hormann" <chr### [at] gmx de> wrote in message
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> Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
>>
>> About 2), I don't really know if the official binary is 32 or 64
>> bits, as I always compile the sources for my own platform.
>
> The only official binary currently available is a 32bit one.
>
>> The effort is
>> so minimal that any advantage is worth. I mean, compiling your own
>> version for you specific platform is very easy on Linux, and it should
>> take only a few minutes more than installing the official binary (just
>> make sure to install the development tools of your Linux distro).
>
> IIRC the only tools required are gcc and make. Most distributions install
> those by default. For building with X Window display you need the
> development packages for the X-Libs.
>
> Christoph
>
> --
> POV-Ray tutorials, include files, Landscape of the week:
> http://www.imagico.de/ (Last updated 31 Oct. 2005)
> MegaPOV with mechanics simulation: http://megapov.inetart.net/
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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
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> Reminds me of http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990303
True enough :)
> Some distros are bigger than others and may be oriented at different
> types of users. Some distros are more bare-bones while others come
> with tons of stuff (some people could call it bloat).
Yeah I think I'm definitely in the category that would call it bloat. I want
everything I need to run pov and be able to download & install other stuff
as needed, but that's all. And I'm even happy to use windows for the
downloading.
> It's like different cars: They all work with the same type of internal
> combustion motor, and they all have (compatible) wheels. However, some
> cars look&feel different than others.
Okay now that just terrifies me because I have a very strong opinion about
what cars are best! For point of reference: lotus elise, caterham 7, noble,
all very good. Lamborghini, Enzo, Zonda, beautiful and fast at but somehow
not as technically impressive as the first group. Porsche Cayenne (that's
the SUV), oh my god no. So basically I'd appreciate it if you can point me
in the direction of a lightweight, good handling build of linux, with a
decent power to weight ratio but lacking the luxury of most cars, and most
definitely a manual gearbox :)
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Oh thanks for the link, it's all a matter of choosing the right words to
google for :) That's a big help.
I guess my biggest problem is I don't know how I'm going to use it. I
suspect what I want is to switch to linux for rendering and text editing pov
files, and use windows for everything else. But of course if I get a distro
of linux which gives me a nice way to do regular computing then I might use
it exclusively and leave windows alone. I don't know what I want to use it
for and I don't know how to figure that out except by talking to people who
already use linux for pov.
Anyway, that link should help me understand /how/ to choose a distro. Even
if I still don't know what I want! :)
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Tek
http://evilsuperbrain.com
"Christoph Hormann" <chr### [at] gmxde> wrote in message
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> Tek wrote:
>>
>> Now I realise there's no straight answer to question 1 but I'm getting SO
>> annoyed with linux users! Whenever I ask one of the guys at work they
>> always name about a dozen versions of linux I should try. It's an OS! I
>> don't want to try it, I just want to install one and use it!
>
> Then i'd seriously recommend you not to use Linux. You should only use
> Linux if:
>
> a) you want to and
> b) you are willing to accept the differences in design philosophy. The
> most important is the freedom of choice for nearly all elements and
> aspects of the system. This starts with the hardware (Linux runs on
> nearly everything), continues with the large variety of distributions and
> ends with for example the literally hundreds of mail clients you can use.
>
> I don't know anyone who started using Linux with these conditions not met
> and who stayed with Linux on the long term. OTOH i also don't know anyone
> who started with these requirements and who did not stay with Linux.
>
> And Linux is not an OS, Linux is just a kernel. When you are talking
> about the whole OS you have the choice (and have to choose) between a lot
> of alternatives for every single aspect (for example the GUI: KDE, GNOME
> or various others).
>
> I'm not scared of having
>> to use a command prompt (I use linux remotely from a windows PC at work
>> sometimes so I know my way around), I just want someone to tell me what
>> the difference is between them.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Linux+distributions+comparison
>
> BTW if you happen to decide for using Linux i would be interested in
> benchmark results for a Turion system.
>
> Christoph
>
> --
> POV-Ray tutorials, include files, Landscape of the week:
> http://www.imagico.de/ (Last updated 31 Oct. 2005)
> MegaPOV with mechanics simulation: http://megapov.inetart.net/
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Tek <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote:
> Not sure if I need the x-windows display, since that's the kind of
> thing I want advice on! I'm not sure what the best way is to use pov under
> linux.
Well, if you don't have X support in POV-Ray, you won't see the image
while it's rendering it.
(Well, technically speaking that's not completely true because when
there's no graphical window POV-Ray will instead show an ascii version
of the image instead... However, that is in no way enough. :P )
With properly compiled povray and properly configured emacs you can
make it look like this:
http://tag.povray.org/povQandT/EmacsPovFrontend.png
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Tek <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote:
> So basically I'd appreciate it if you can point me
> in the direction of a lightweight, good handling build of linux, with a
> decent power to weight ratio but lacking the luxury of most cars, and most
> definitely a manual gearbox :)
Well, even though many distros (such as suse) come with a large amount
of software, installing most of that software is optional (you can always
install a piece of software later quite easily with yast2 from either the
installation disc or online).
Debian (latest unstable version) is usually what many linux gurus use,
but I have heard mixed opinions about it. I can't really say what it is
that makes debian so popular.
If I'm not mistaken, ubuntu is a "debian for regular users". However
my personal experience is that its installer has poorer hardware support
than suse.
I think suse should be more than enough for you. Try it, and if you
don't like it, you can always try something else. :)
Just remember one thing with suse: Whenever you want to configure
something, check first if you can do it with yast2. It's not only
easier that way, but also recommended (harded to screw up things).
Most things can be done with it. This includes program installation
(for most programs, although not all). Even if someone (or some page)
tells you to "open such and such file and edit such and such line",
just check first if you could configure that thing with yast2. (Most
of those advices are for debian anyways :P )
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Tim Cook <z99### [at] bellsouthnet> wrote:
> (XP is pretty good and stable, but...well-tested?)
No matter how much I hate MS, I can't deny that XP has been working
quite well for me. No crashes, no odd behaviour, things work ok.
(Ok, it has crashed once, but it was because of a hardware issue.
Linux is reported to crash with that same hardware issue too.)
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Warp wrote:
>
> Well, if you don't have X support in POV-Ray, you won't see the image
> while it's rendering it.
> (Well, technically speaking that's not completely true because when
> there's no graphical window POV-Ray will instead show an ascii version
> of the image instead... However, that is in no way enough. :P )
>
And you can view the file with eg. gqview or Gimp while rendering. Since
POV won't scale the image, I'm currently running one render with -D and
checking status once in a while with gqview.
--
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http://www.zbxt.net
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Warp wrote:
>
> Just remember one thing with suse: Whenever you want to configure
> something, check first if you can do it with yast2. It's not only
> easier that way, but also recommended (harded to screw up things).
> Most things can be done with it. This includes program installation
> (for most programs, although not all). Even if someone (or some page)
> tells you to "open such and such file and edit such and such line",
> just check first if you could configure that thing with yast2. (Most
> of those advices are for debian anyways :P )
>
One addition for this. If you'll anyway for some reason edit some
configs directly, backup them before you'll run yast2 next time. In my
experience, when you configure something (eg. Samba) under yast2, it'll
write the whole config again and you're little changes might get lost.
As with everything, backups are the key of surviving ;). Backups,
backups, backups...
--
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
http://www.zbxt.net
aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid
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Warp wrote:
>
> No matter how much I hate MS, I can't deny that XP has been working
> quite well for me. No crashes, no odd behaviour, things work ok.
>
I've had one major problem with WinXP. Whenever, whereever I'm using it,
it's just not compatible with the user. Ok, there are some more issues
as always, but that's the most buggering one I think I'll ever see.
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http://www.zbxt.net
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Eero Ahonen <aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote:
> One addition for this. If you'll anyway for some reason edit some
> configs directly, backup them before you'll run yast2 next time. In my
> experience, when you configure something (eg. Samba) under yast2, it'll
> write the whole config again and you're little changes might get lost.
AFAIK yast2 will try to read and parse the configuration file so that
any manually-made changes have a high probability of showing up in the
yast2 window and not be lost, but it never hurts to backup, of course.
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Eero Ahonen <aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote:
> I've had one major problem with WinXP. Whenever, whereever I'm using it,
> it's just not compatible with the user. Ok, there are some more issues
> as always, but that's the most buggering one I think I'll ever see.
I thought Windows was designed to be user-friendly (even at the
expense of efficiency, stability and security) :P
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Tek wrote:
>
> I guess my biggest problem is I don't know how I'm going to use it. I
> suspect what I want is to switch to linux for rendering and text editing pov
> files, and use windows for everything else. But of course if I get a distro
> of linux which gives me a nice way to do regular computing then I might use
> it exclusively and leave windows alone. I don't know what I want to use it
> for and I don't know how to figure that out except by talking to people who
> already use linux for pov.
>
More on that, you will want to use it for normal websurfing etc while
poving. Or do you say that you've never surfed to find some answer for a
prob while POVing? Eg. for me, reading POV online manual is pretty
normal while POVing :).
And when your computer is calculating The Big Image, you might want to
do something while it's doing it(1). Eg. you could dig your way deeper
and deeper of Linux-knowledge ;).
Finally, I'd guess you don't want to get the reboot-delay every time you
want to do something else, if it's possible on the currently running
system. So I'd say, go for a usable desktop, that's what you'll most
propably want someday.
(1) 124:45:15 Rendering line 295 of 5200, 24901 rad. samples
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Eero "Aero" Ahonen
http://www.zbxt.net
aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid
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Warp wrote:
>
> AFAIK yast2 will try to read and parse the configuration file so that
> any manually-made changes have a high probability of showing up in the
> yast2 window and not be lost, but it never hurts to backup, of course.
>
It might try, I haven't really used it much. But it has ruined some of
my configs, so I shout for backups. OTOH, even if it didn't ruin them,
I'd still shout for backups :).
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http://www.zbxt.net
aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid
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Warp wrote:
>
> I thought Windows was designed to be user-friendly (even at the
> expense of efficiency, stability and security) :P
>
The problem might partly be on the user-part, but I've never seen
actually user-friendly Windows. XP just sucks lot more than even 2k or NT.
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http://www.zbxt.net
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> it's just not compatible with the user.
That's the infamous POBCAK error.
(Problem Occurs Between Chair And Keyboard. :-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
Sabotage? Communist conspiracy? Or just
Microsoft again? Only time will tell.
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Eero Ahonen nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2005-12-03 17:17:
> Tek wrote:
> (1) 124:45:15 Rendering line 295 of 5200, 24901 rad. samples
>
I did a render that exeeded 20 000 000 rad samples for a 1208*960 render. It was
aproching the
million around 150 lines, maybe less... and the radiosity settings where not very
high, default with
60 samples and recursion_limit 2.
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-------------------------------------------------
WARNING: The consumption of alcohol is a major factor in dancing like a retard.
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Alain wrote:
>
> I did a render that exeeded 20 000 000 rad samples for a 1208*960
> render. It was aproching the million around 150 lines, maybe less... and
> the radiosity settings where not very high, default with 60 samples and
> recursion_limit 2.
>
Uuh, nice. How long did it take and how much memory did it consume? And
on what hardware?
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Among other things, Tek saw fit to write:
> 1/ what version of linux should I get?
Any modern up-to-date one. I use Mandriva in several computers and it works
perfectly for me. There is a 64-bit version of Mandriva.
> 2/ how much better is 64-bit pov compared to 32-bit on the same system?
> (i.e. is it worth the effort?)
I have no idea, sorry. I have never tried a 64-bit system.
To your other questions. Any decent linux can run POV-Ray, you just compile
it from sources (which is easy) with the appropriate optimizations (which
may be harder to find, but google and usenet are your friends).
And yes, you need a "special" linux for a 64-bit system, at least if you
want it to really use the 64 bits[*]. My advice is to install a 64-bit
distro, take your time configuring it at your liking (install, uninstall
and setup programs) and keep it up-to-date with its tools (urpmi, apt, yum,
yast... whatever).
[*] This is because you get the precompiled kernel and tools. If you were
going to compile everything yourself (as you can do with Gentoo or LFS),
then I guess you don't need a special version, or better said, in this case
you get your very special personalized version for your very specific
computer.
--
light_source{9+9*x,1}camera{orthographic look_at(1-y)/4angle 30location
9/4-z*4}light_source{-9*z,1}union{box{.9-z.1+x clipped_by{plane{2+y-4*x
0}}}box{z-y-.1.1+z}box{-.1.1+x}box{.1z-.1}pigment{rgb<.8.2,1>}}//Jellby
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That interface looks great! So what do I need to set it up like that?
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Tek
http://evilsuperbrain.com
"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
news:4392066b@news.povray.org...
> Tek <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote:
>> Not sure if I need the x-windows display, since that's the kind of
>> thing I want advice on! I'm not sure what the best way is to use pov
>> under
>> linux.
>
> Well, if you don't have X support in POV-Ray, you won't see the image
> while it's rendering it.
> (Well, technically speaking that's not completely true because when
> there's no graphical window POV-Ray will instead show an ascii version
> of the image instead... However, that is in no way enough. :P )
>
> With properly compiled povray and properly configured emacs you can
> make it look like this:
> http://tag.povray.org/povQandT/EmacsPovFrontend.png
>
> --
> - Warp
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"Jellby" <me### [at] privacynet> wrote in message
news:og7### [at] badulaqueunexes...
> And yes, you need a "special" linux for a 64-bit system, at least if you
> want it to really use the 64 bits[*]. My advice is to install a 64-bit
> distro, take your time configuring it at your liking (install, uninstall
> and setup programs) and keep it up-to-date with its tools (urpmi, apt,
> yum,
> yast... whatever).
What no auto update? ;)
Thanks for the advice, I think I'm starting to get some idea what I want to
do.
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http://evilsuperbrain.com
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Well multi-tasking isn't so vital for me, since I'll be installing it on my
laptop and I can only realistically render with that if it's plugged in, in
which case I'll have a desktop PC I can used for other tasks.
Also my current scene uses a lot of Daz Studio models, and they don't have a
linux build available, so I'm probably only going to be using linux in
collaboration with a windows PC or for final renders.
Still, that's not a reason to avoid a more full-featured version of linux!
--
Tek
http://evilsuperbrain.com
"Eero Ahonen" <aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote in message
news:4392195d$1@news.povray.org...
> Tek wrote:
>>
>> I guess my biggest problem is I don't know how I'm going to use it. I
>> suspect what I want is to switch to linux for rendering and text editing
>> pov
>> files, and use windows for everything else. But of course if I get a
>> distro
>> of linux which gives me a nice way to do regular computing then I might
>> use
>> it exclusively and leave windows alone. I don't know what I want to use
>> it
>> for and I don't know how to figure that out except by talking to people
>> who
>> already use linux for pov.
>>
>
> More on that, you will want to use it for normal websurfing etc while
> poving. Or do you say that you've never surfed to find some answer for a
> prob while POVing? Eg. for me, reading POV online manual is pretty
> normal while POVing :).
>
> And when your computer is calculating The Big Image, you might want to
> do something while it's doing it(1). Eg. you could dig your way deeper
> and deeper of Linux-knowledge ;).
>
> Finally, I'd guess you don't want to get the reboot-delay every time you
> want to do something else, if it's possible on the currently running
> system. So I'd say, go for a usable desktop, that's what you'll most
> propably want someday.
>
> (1) 124:45:15 Rendering line 295 of 5200, 24901 rad. samples
>
> --
> Eero "Aero" Ahonen
> http://www.zbxt.net
> aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid
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Tek wrote:
>>distro, take your time configuring it at your liking (install, uninstall
>>and setup programs) and keep it up-to-date with its tools (urpmi, apt,
>>yum,
>>yast... whatever).
>
> What no auto update? ;)
>
Yes, if you script it (very easy). However, since the DNS's may be
spoofed etc, no such thing should ever be used at homes since it's a
total security risk. For companies it might get useful with local cache
for checked and tested upgrade packages.
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http://www.zbxt.net
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Tek wrote:
>
> I guess my biggest problem is I don't know how I'm going to use it. I
> suspect what I want is to switch to linux for rendering and text editing pov
> files, and use windows for everything else.
I can almost guarantee you that this won't work as a permanent solution.
You will either stop using Linux or stop using Windows after some time
(or have several PCs or run Windows/Windows programs in emulation).
Christoph
--
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Nearly all major and minor distros come with a live-cd version. You may
try that out without installing a single byte on your HD. I can't think
of a better way to find the distro that suits your needs best.
As far as I am concerned, I've been using SUSE 10 for two months now and
I can recommend it to you. Not too much hair pulling. YAST2 is bless.
Start your Live-cd hunt here: http://distrowatch.com/
Have fun!
--
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Tek <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote:
> That interface looks great! So what do I need to set it up like that?
Get pov-mode for emacs (try google), configure emacs to show maximum
amount of syntax coloring (you can also configure the colors to your
liking), and compile povray with X support. Then all you need is an
xterm to run povray from.
After that you only have to learn how to use that setup fluently.
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"Christoph Hormann" <chr### [at] gmxde> wrote in message
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> I can almost guarantee you that this won't work as a permanent solution.
> You will either stop using Linux or stop using Windows after some time (or
> have several PCs or run Windows/Windows programs in emulation).
Ah, well you see that was mentioned at the start, we're talking about how I
can get the most of my laptop, I assume I'm gonna keep using windows on my
desktop machine regardless.
Though to be honest, it's likely I'll only use the laptop when travelling
and seldom in conjunction with my desktop, in which case it would be more
helpful to have everything I want in one OS, so your point still stands, so
this whole message is a bit academic... :)
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I was joking, auto-update is something I can live without. In fact most of
the time it just annoys me.
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http://evilsuperbrain.com
"Eero Ahonen" <aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote in message
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> Tek wrote:
>>>distro, take your time configuring it at your liking (install, uninstall
>>>and setup programs) and keep it up-to-date with its tools (urpmi, apt,
>>>yum,
>>>yast... whatever).
>>
>> What no auto update? ;)
>>
>
> Yes, if you script it (very easy). However, since the DNS's may be
> spoofed etc, no such thing should ever be used at homes since it's a
> total security risk. For companies it might get useful with local cache
> for checked and tested upgrade packages.
>
> --
> Eero "Aero" Ahonen
> http://www.zbxt.net
> aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid
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Oh... so that's what live-cd means, cool!
Thanks, I think I have a plan:
1/ look at the websites everyone mentioned, narrow it down to 3-4 distros.
Including Suse since it seems to be the only one mentioned by more than 1
person!
2/ download live-cd versions and have a play around to learn what the
differences are.
3/ pick the best, or get more live-cd versions if I don't like any of them.
I'll post here to let you know the result (with xmas and the current IRTC
round I won't have much time to evaluate linux distros so it'll be a few
weeks ).
Thanks everyone!
--
Tek
http://evilsuperbrain.com
"JRG" <j.M### [at] tiscaliit> wrote in message
news:43934076@news.povray.org...
> Nearly all major and minor distros come with a live-cd version. You may
> try that out without installing a single byte on your HD. I can't think of
> a better way to find the distro that suits your needs best.
>
> As far as I am concerned, I've been using SUSE 10 for two months now and I
> can recommend it to you. Not too much hair pulling. YAST2 is bless.
>
> Start your Live-cd hunt here: http://distrowatch.com/
>
> Have fun!
>
> --
> Jonathan.
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I'd already found the pov mode for emacs, but obviously haven't tried it
yet. I'll make sure I can run x-windows on whatever distro I get.
Thanks!
--
Tek
http://evilsuperbrain.com
"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
news:43936e1d@news.povray.org...
> Tek <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote:
>> That interface looks great! So what do I need to set it up like that?
>
> Get pov-mode for emacs (try google), configure emacs to show maximum
> amount of syntax coloring (you can also configure the colors to your
> liking), and compile povray with X support. Then all you need is an
> xterm to run povray from.
> After that you only have to learn how to use that setup fluently.
>
> --
> - Warp
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Tek <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote:
> 2/ download live-cd versions and have a play around to learn what the
> differences are.
My bet is that you will not see too much difference between live-cds,
regardless of the distro.
The only notable difference you may see will happen if the distros use
different window managers. However, window managers are not really
distro-dependent and they can be installed in all distros (either directly
from their installation process or later).
Naturally if some live-cd fails to start up because it can't detect
your hardware correctly, that may be a good indicative of a distro you
don't want to install... :P
--
- Warp
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> I can almost guarantee you that this won't work as a permanent solution.
> You will either stop using Linux or stop using Windows after some time
Life isn't so black or white, is it?
I've been constantly using both environments for about 10 years now
(but started with DOS 5.0/Windows 2.1). My equations system is pretty
simple actually:
Windows == multimedia* and games**
Linux == work and development
I know the first equation is becoming less relevant though.
- NC
* basically DVD and photographic stuffs.
** well in fact, not even, as I stopped playing games before win95 showed up.
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Nicolas Calimet <pov### [at] freefr> wrote:
> Windows == multimedia* and games**
> * basically DVD and photographic stuffs.
I am often too lazy to boot to windows in order to watch a DVD, so
I just watch it in linux with mplayer. Mplayer does not support
anything else than watching the specified track (eg. it doesn't
support the DVD menu system nor any interactive functionality that
the DVD may have), but it has been enough...
--
- Warp
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Nicolas Calimet wrote:
>
> Life isn't so black or white, is it?
>
> I've been constantly using both environments for about 10 years now
> (but started with DOS 5.0/Windows 2.1). My equations system is pretty
> simple actually:
Switching between on a single system?
> Windows == multimedia* and games**
> Linux == work and development
>
> I know the first equation is becoming less relevant though.
Well if one is used very rarely (i'd say less than 5% of the time) this
might work. It appears to me that this might be so in your case.
But i agree that i should be more careful with saying "this won't work".
You can observe much stranger computer use habits out there than
routinely rebooting to switch between operating systems several times
per day...
Chritoph
--
POV-Ray tutorials, include files, Landscape of the week:
http://www.imagico.de/ (Last updated 31 Oct. 2005)
MegaPOV with mechanics simulation: http://megapov.inetart.net/
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Warp wrote:
>
> I am often too lazy to boot to windows in order to watch a DVD, so
> I just watch it in linux with mplayer. Mplayer does not support
> anything else than watching the specified track (eg. it doesn't
> support the DVD menu system nor any interactive functionality that
> the DVD may have), but it has been enough...
>
Ever tried Xine? DVD Menus, DXR3 -support (demands em8300 -drivers,
naturally), playlists etc...
But yes, MPlayer is a nice player. I also usually use it.
--
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
http://www.zbxt.net
aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid
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From: Nicolas Calimet
Subject: Re: pov64 - linux advice wanted please!
Date: 5 Dec 2005 13:00:19
Message: <43948033@news.povray.org>
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> Switching between on a single system?
Yes (home computer*) especially since I finally got to install
a second hard drive for linux only. Booting either system is a matter
of ~15 (Windows) and 20** (Linux) seconds on my not-so-fast computer...
I can afford doing that every once in a while per day :-)
> Well if one is used very rarely (i'd say less than 5% of the time) this
> might work. It appears to me that this might be so in your case.
Not really -- it's amazing how much I like to watch DVDs ;-)
In fact it's nowadays pretty close to fifty-fifty.
- NC
* at work: 100% Linux without dual boot;
laptop : 100% Windows (for "safety" wrt drivers) with Cygwin/Mingw.
** to the Linux console on a Knoppix-derived distro with self-compiled
kernel and modules; X/KDE takes almost 10 seconds more to start up.
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Nicolas Calimet wrote:
>
> Not really -- it's amazing how much I like to watch DVDs ;-)
> In fact it's nowadays pretty close to fifty-fifty.
So you are spending half of your time watching DVDs and gaming?
SCNR.
And you have my sympathy for not being able to check your EMail while
watching a movie. ;-)
Christoph
--
POV-Ray tutorials, include files, Landscape of the week:
http://www.imagico.de/ (Last updated 31 Oct. 2005)
MegaPOV with mechanics simulation: http://megapov.inetart.net/
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
>
> Ever tried Xine? DVD Menus, DXR3 -support (demands em8300 -drivers,
> naturally), playlists etc...
>
> But yes, MPlayer is a nice player. I also usually use it.
>
Right after writing this my Xine crashed :o. That's life, Lucky for me
MPlayer still worked...
--
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
http://www.zbxt.net
aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid
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"Tek" <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote in message
news:439155ee$1@news.povray.org...
> 1/ what version of linux should I get?
As other have said, SuSE is pretty good. I prefer Ubuntu though. Ubuntu
however, didn't install all the necessary development tools by default,
however it's update program "Synaptic" is very easy to use and very easy to
select what you need. development tools would be needed to build POV-Ray
from source.
both SuSE and Ubuntu have 64 bit versions
> 2/ how much better is 64-bit pov compared to 32-bit on the same system?
> (i.e. is it worth the effort?)
I got about 21% speed increase on benchmark.ini going from 32 bit to
self-compiled 64 bit POV-Ray. See povray.benchmarking for details.
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Eero Ahonen nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2005-12-04 03:55:
> Alain wrote:
>
>>I did a render that exeeded 20 000 000 rad samples for a 1208*960
>>render. It was aproching the million around 150 lines, maybe less... and
>>the radiosity settings where not very high, default with 60 samples and
>>recursion_limit 2.
>>
>
>
> Uuh, nice. How long did it take and how much memory did it consume? And
> on what hardware?
>
I had some intermitent swapping, I don't remember exactly how much memory was used,
maybe around 700
to 800 Mb. It rendered in about 40 hours.
AMD 1400 with 512 Mb. (time to upgrade)
--
Alain
-------------------------------------------------
Keep your boss’s boss off your boss’s back.
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Warp wrote:
> Nicolas Calimet <pov### [at] freefr> wrote:
>
>>Windows == multimedia* and games**
>
>
>> * basically DVD and photographic stuffs.
>
>
> I am often too lazy to boot to windows in order to watch a DVD, so
> I just watch it in linux with mplayer. Mplayer does not support
> anything else than watching the specified track (eg. it doesn't
> support the DVD menu system nor any interactive functionality that
> the DVD may have), but it has been enough...
>
For DVDs, I've been using xine with Fedora 3 -- works fine. I even
reboot to Linux from Windows just to play a DVD... :-) (Yes, I have
DVD players for Windows (2 of them), but I actually tend to prefer xine.)
-=- Larry -=-
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I've done informal testing using the benchmark scene before and after I
upgraded. Here are my results. Your results may vary:
1.6 GHz Duron
Time For Parse: 0 hours 0 minutes 3.0 seconds (3 seconds)
Time For Photon: 0 hours 0 minutes 60.0 seconds (60 seconds)
Time For Trace: 0 hours 39 minutes 43.0 seconds (2383 seconds)
Total Time: 0 hours 40 minutes 46.0 seconds (2446 seconds)
1.6 Ghz Sempron 64, 32-bit
Time For Parse: 0 hours 0 minutes 3.0 seconds (3 seconds)
Time For Photon: 0 hours 0 minutes 53.0 seconds (53 seconds)
Time For Trace: 0 hours 33 minutes 45.0 seconds (2025 seconds)
Total Time: 0 hours 34 minutes 41.0 seconds (2081 seconds)
1.6 GHz Sempron 64, 64-bit
Parse Time: 0 hours 0 minutes 1 seconds (1 seconds)
Photon Time: 0 hours 0 minutes 41 seconds (41 seconds)
Render Time: 0 hours 28 minutes 45 seconds (1725 seconds)
Total Time: 0 hours 29 minutes 27 seconds (1767 seconds)
"Tek" <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote:
> Okay, google doesn't seem to be able to give me any clear advice on this
> one, so I'll ask you guys:
>
> I just bought an 64-bit AMD Turion based laptop, which irritatingly has
> 32-bit windows installed, so I'm thinking about doing a dual-boot with linux
> and using the 64-bit version of pov. I've already run a 32-bit test and my
> laptop's almost as fast as my desktop machine, so I assume it will be faster
> in 64-bit. Anyway what I want to know is this:
>
> 1/ what version of linux should I get?
> 2/ how much better is 64-bit pov compared to 32-bit on the same system?
> (i.e. is it worth the effort?)
>
> Now I realise there's no straight answer to question 1 but I'm getting SO
> annoyed with linux users! Whenever I ask one of the guys at work they always
> name about a dozen versions of linux I should try. It's an OS! I don't want
> to try it, I just want to install one and use it! I'm not scared of having
> to use a command prompt (I use linux remotely from a windows PC at work
> sometimes so I know my way around), I just want someone to tell me what the
> difference is between them.
>
> Can all versions of linux run povray? Can they all run the same programs,
> and if not why not? Do different ones run pov at different speeds? Are there
> special 64-bit versions of linux (like windows) or is it just exposed in a
> more implicit way?
>
> BTW, I've just started using emacs at work, so don't worry about suggesting
> a version of linux that's friendly for windows users, I can handle a steep
> learning curve (I'm going to regret saying that!).
>
> Please help me!
>
> Thanks
> --
> Tek
> http://evilsuperbrain.com
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Ooh that's less of an improvement than I was expecting. Still it could be
enough to make my 64 bit laptop very slightly quicker than my desktop
machine, rather than very slightly slower.
--
Tek
http://evilsuperbrain.com
"jhu" <nomail@nomail> wrote in message
news:web.43958a33869045be94173ef0@news.povray.org...
> I've done informal testing using the benchmark scene before and after I
> upgraded. Here are my results. Your results may vary:
>
> 1.6 GHz Duron
> Time For Parse: 0 hours 0 minutes 3.0 seconds (3 seconds)
> Time For Photon: 0 hours 0 minutes 60.0 seconds (60 seconds)
> Time For Trace: 0 hours 39 minutes 43.0 seconds (2383 seconds)
> Total Time: 0 hours 40 minutes 46.0 seconds (2446 seconds)
>
> 1.6 Ghz Sempron 64, 32-bit
> Time For Parse: 0 hours 0 minutes 3.0 seconds (3 seconds)
> Time For Photon: 0 hours 0 minutes 53.0 seconds (53 seconds)
> Time For Trace: 0 hours 33 minutes 45.0 seconds (2025 seconds)
> Total Time: 0 hours 34 minutes 41.0 seconds (2081 seconds)
>
> 1.6 GHz Sempron 64, 64-bit
> Parse Time: 0 hours 0 minutes 1 seconds (1 seconds)
> Photon Time: 0 hours 0 minutes 41 seconds (41 seconds)
> Render Time: 0 hours 28 minutes 45 seconds (1725 seconds)
> Total Time: 0 hours 29 minutes 27 seconds (1767 seconds)
>
> "Tek" <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote:
>> Okay, google doesn't seem to be able to give me any clear advice on this
>> one, so I'll ask you guys:
>>
>> I just bought an 64-bit AMD Turion based laptop, which irritatingly has
>> 32-bit windows installed, so I'm thinking about doing a dual-boot with
>> linux
>> and using the 64-bit version of pov. I've already run a 32-bit test and
>> my
>> laptop's almost as fast as my desktop machine, so I assume it will be
>> faster
>> in 64-bit. Anyway what I want to know is this:
>>
>> 1/ what version of linux should I get?
>> 2/ how much better is 64-bit pov compared to 32-bit on the same system?
>> (i.e. is it worth the effort?)
>>
>> Now I realise there's no straight answer to question 1 but I'm getting SO
>> annoyed with linux users! Whenever I ask one of the guys at work they
>> always
>> name about a dozen versions of linux I should try. It's an OS! I don't
>> want
>> to try it, I just want to install one and use it! I'm not scared of
>> having
>> to use a command prompt (I use linux remotely from a windows PC at work
>> sometimes so I know my way around), I just want someone to tell me what
>> the
>> difference is between them.
>>
>> Can all versions of linux run povray? Can they all run the same programs,
>> and if not why not? Do different ones run pov at different speeds? Are
>> there
>> special 64-bit versions of linux (like windows) or is it just exposed in
>> a
>> more implicit way?
>>
>> BTW, I've just started using emacs at work, so don't worry about
>> suggesting
>> a version of linux that's friendly for windows users, I can handle a
>> steep
>> learning curve (I'm going to regret saying that!).
>>
>> Please help me!
>>
>> Thanks
>> --
>> Tek
>> http://evilsuperbrain.com
>
>
>
>
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A quick update: I downloaded Gentoo, booted from the CD, it gave me a
command prompt and from looking at the website and messages it gave me I
still didn't have a clue what I was supposed to do next! Okay to be honest I
got scared and rebooted. There's a difference between something with a lot
of options, and something so configurable that you need to actually walk it
through every step of installation.
So I'm downloading Suse now :) My research leads me to believe Suse has a
mix of noob and hardcore features, and only a few minor drawbacks, so
probably best suited to my rather uneven grasp of linux and my hardware
needs.
(BTW, I'm not criticising gentoo, but it sounds like you should only get it
if you have a strong opinion on how everything should be set up in linux, so
I might use it next time, if there is a next time)
--
Tek
http://evilsuperbrain.com
"Tek" <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote in message
news:439155ee$1@news.povray.org...
> Okay, google doesn't seem to be able to give me any clear advice on this
> one, so I'll ask you guys:
>
> I just bought an 64-bit AMD Turion based laptop, which irritatingly has
> 32-bit windows installed, so I'm thinking about doing a dual-boot with
> linux and using the 64-bit version of pov. I've already run a 32-bit test
> and my laptop's almost as fast as my desktop machine, so I assume it will
> be faster in 64-bit. Anyway what I want to know is this:
>
> 1/ what version of linux should I get?
> 2/ how much better is 64-bit pov compared to 32-bit on the same system?
> (i.e. is it worth the effort?)
>
> Now I realise there's no straight answer to question 1 but I'm getting SO
> annoyed with linux users! Whenever I ask one of the guys at work they
> always name about a dozen versions of linux I should try. It's an OS! I
> don't want to try it, I just want to install one and use it! I'm not
> scared of having to use a command prompt (I use linux remotely from a
> windows PC at work sometimes so I know my way around), I just want someone
> to tell me what the difference is between them.
>
> Can all versions of linux run povray? Can they all run the same programs,
> and if not why not? Do different ones run pov at different speeds? Are
> there special 64-bit versions of linux (like windows) or is it just
> exposed in a more implicit way?
>
> BTW, I've just started using emacs at work, so don't worry about
> suggesting a version of linux that's friendly for windows users, I can
> handle a steep learning curve (I'm going to regret saying that!).
>
> Please help me!
>
> Thanks
> --
> Tek
> http://evilsuperbrain.com
>
>
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Tek <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote:
> Ooh that's less of an improvement than I was expecting.
Well, same clockrate, ~99% same architecture, same cache, same memory...
You can't expect miracles.
In most other 32/64-bit processors (such as UltraSparc and Mac) you
actually get something like a 5% slowdown when you compile the exact same
program to 64-bit compared to the 32-bit binary (this is because pointers
take twice as much space and thus caches fill a bit faster).
--
- Warp
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Tek wrote:
> A quick update: I downloaded Gentoo, booted from the CD, it gave me a
> command prompt and from looking at the website and messages it gave me I
> still didn't have a clue what I was supposed to do next! Okay to be honest I
> got scared and rebooted. There's a difference between something with a lot
> of options, and something so configurable that you need to actually walk it
> through every step of installation.
I told you, didn't I? ;)
> So I'm downloading Suse now :) My research leads me to believe Suse has a
> mix of noob and hardcore features, and only a few minor drawbacks, so
> probably best suited to my rather uneven grasp of linux and my hardware
> needs.
Yeah, it's pretty popular. And it works. Some minor issues I don't like,
but they are mostly between the keyboard and the chair.
> (BTW, I'm not criticising gentoo, but it sounds like you should only get it
> if you have a strong opinion on how everything should be set up in linux, so
> I might use it next time, if there is a next time)
It really takes time to configure everything and to compile things. And,
especially, to get known enough of it (yet more to speak "all" instaed
of enough!). But, depending on the person, it can be very pleasuring :).
--
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
http://www.zbxt.net
aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid
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"Tek" <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote:
> Okay, google doesn't seem to be able to give me any clear advice on this
> one, so I'll ask you guys:
>
> I just bought an 64-bit AMD Turion based laptop, which irritatingly has
> 32-bit windows installed, so I'm thinking about doing a dual-boot with linux
> and using the 64-bit version of pov. I've already run a 32-bit test and my
> laptop's almost as fast as my desktop machine, so I assume it will be faster
> in 64-bit. Anyway what I want to know is this:
>
> 1/ what version of linux should I get?
Just so you know - "standard" Linux (for i386 (a.k.a. IA-32)) will be 32-bit
Linux, just like your Windows. For Linux on 64-bit, you'll need a variant,
e.g. a *SPECIAL* Linux for the so-called "IA-64" architechture (which means
64-bit processors).
(That said, you'd also need a "special" Linux if you're using it on a mac.
It's possible to run many linux apps on powerpc. :)
I suggest the 64-bit (IA-64) version of Ubuntu, but it's really a matter of
style. Do you know anything about linux? What do you want to get done
(e.g. apart from POV-Ray)? What do you need in your OS? Editor? Web
browsing? Multimedia? etc?
Second preference would be Debian; as for the rest, I've heard that the
packaging system can be troublesome, so use whatever works. Also note that
not all of the Linux distributions have 64-bit versions (it's possible, not
everyone will make one though). You might want to try one of those odd
Linux-distro-chooser surveys.
Also, a good many things are ... more complex in Linux. More powerful too,
but more complex anyways. And if it doesn't work from the get-go, chances
are, setting it up will be a pain or next-to impossible unless you can code
the device driver yourself.
Techincally Linux is just the kernel, all the apps run on it (e.g. X Windows
System, Gnome/KDE/TWM/etc/, your app, pov-ray etc. etc.), although the
generalization is there. *shrugs* Usually people don't really care though
about that.
> 2/ how much better is 64-bit pov compared to 32-bit on the same system?
> (i.e. is it worth the effort?)
A lot - but there is no official 64-bit Linux POV-Ray binary, and the native
compiler for Linux isn't as efficient as the official POV-Ray binary's
compiler (although I imagine that the performance gain from optimizing for
64-bit could make up for that). Also, the Linux version is _command-line_
so you'll need an external editor (e.g. Kate, QTPovEditor, etc.). Out of
curiousity, does the POV-Ray team's official Linux binaries use the same
compiler series as the Windows ones, or is it just Windows binaries that
use the Intel Compiler?
I should also mention that POV-Ray's linux installer is command-line based
(it's a historical thing; IIRC usually programs are installed from the
command-line as a "super-user" and there's no graphical desktop - usually
done for security reasons) - so you may like Window's graphical installer
better. My experience with graphical Linux installers has been rather
unsettling, with few exceptions.
If you can manage, I would recommend using 64-bit Windows and official
POV-Ray Binaries. If you still _want_ to try Linux, investigate the
concept known as creating a "Dual-Boot" system (I believe most decent Linux
distributions are designed for this from the get-go now) and then you can
"have the best of both worlds".
Just as a note, I write this from Linux on a dual-boot system with Windows
XP. :) 32-bit though. *sigh* I still keep XP for a couple of things -
Linux doesn't do quite everything I need in a OS.
-- Michael C.
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Actually "IA-64" refers to Intel's Itanium architecture. What you really
want is an x86-64 or AMD64 Linux distribution. Additionally, the compiler
used on 64-bit Linux distributions are usually using at least gcc 3.3,
which compiles very well. Besides, since Povray 3.6, compiling your own
povray binary in 64-bit Linux (or other unix-like os) is as easy as
"./configure && make && make" install. Prior to that, eg 3.5, you needed to
modify a few of the source files.
"Mike C" <the### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> "Tek" <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote:
> > Okay, google doesn't seem to be able to give me any clear advice on this
> > one, so I'll ask you guys:
> >
> > I just bought an 64-bit AMD Turion based laptop, which irritatingly has
> > 32-bit windows installed, so I'm thinking about doing a dual-boot with linux
> > and using the 64-bit version of pov. I've already run a 32-bit test and my
> > laptop's almost as fast as my desktop machine, so I assume it will be faster
> > in 64-bit. Anyway what I want to know is this:
> >
> > 1/ what version of linux should I get?
>
> Just so you know - "standard" Linux (for i386 (a.k.a. IA-32)) will be 32-bit
> Linux, just like your Windows. For Linux on 64-bit, you'll need a variant,
> e.g. a *SPECIAL* Linux for the so-called "IA-64" architechture (which means
> 64-bit processors).
>
> (That said, you'd also need a "special" Linux if you're using it on a mac.
> It's possible to run many linux apps on powerpc. :)
>
> I suggest the 64-bit (IA-64) version of Ubuntu, but it's really a matter of
> style. Do you know anything about linux? What do you want to get done
> (e.g. apart from POV-Ray)? What do you need in your OS? Editor? Web
> browsing? Multimedia? etc?
>
> Second preference would be Debian; as for the rest, I've heard that the
> packaging system can be troublesome, so use whatever works. Also note that
> not all of the Linux distributions have 64-bit versions (it's possible, not
> everyone will make one though). You might want to try one of those odd
> Linux-distro-chooser surveys.
>
> Also, a good many things are ... more complex in Linux. More powerful too,
> but more complex anyways. And if it doesn't work from the get-go, chances
> are, setting it up will be a pain or next-to impossible unless you can code
> the device driver yourself.
>
> Techincally Linux is just the kernel, all the apps run on it (e.g. X Windows
> System, Gnome/KDE/TWM/etc/, your app, pov-ray etc. etc.), although the
> generalization is there. *shrugs* Usually people don't really care though
> about that.
>
> > 2/ how much better is 64-bit pov compared to 32-bit on the same system?
> > (i.e. is it worth the effort?)
>
> A lot - but there is no official 64-bit Linux POV-Ray binary, and the native
> compiler for Linux isn't as efficient as the official POV-Ray binary's
> compiler (although I imagine that the performance gain from optimizing for
> 64-bit could make up for that). Also, the Linux version is _command-line_
> so you'll need an external editor (e.g. Kate, QTPovEditor, etc.). Out of
> curiousity, does the POV-Ray team's official Linux binaries use the same
> compiler series as the Windows ones, or is it just Windows binaries that
> use the Intel Compiler?
>
> I should also mention that POV-Ray's linux installer is command-line based
> (it's a historical thing; IIRC usually programs are installed from the
> command-line as a "super-user" and there's no graphical desktop - usually
> done for security reasons) - so you may like Window's graphical installer
> better. My experience with graphical Linux installers has been rather
> unsettling, with few exceptions.
>
> If you can manage, I would recommend using 64-bit Windows and official
> POV-Ray Binaries. If you still _want_ to try Linux, investigate the
> concept known as creating a "Dual-Boot" system (I believe most decent Linux
> distributions are designed for this from the get-go now) and then you can
> "have the best of both worlds".
>
> Just as a note, I write this from Linux on a dual-boot system with Windows
> XP. :) 32-bit though. *sigh* I still keep XP for a couple of things -
> Linux doesn't do quite everything I need in a OS.
>
> -- Michael C.
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Mike C wrote:
>
> Just so you know - "standard" Linux (for i386 (a.k.a. IA-32)) will be 32-bit
> Linux, just like your Windows. For Linux on 64-bit, you'll need a variant,
> e.g. a *SPECIAL* Linux for the so-called "IA-64" architechture (which means
> 64-bit processors).
This is wrong. It would be a good idea not to pretend knowing things if
you don't.
There is no 'standard' linux platform and what's needed for AMD64 CPUs
is not 'IA-64' but 'x86-64' support. This is available from nearly all
up-to-date distributions (for example Redhat/Fedora, SuSE, Debian,
Ubuntu, Gentoo, Knoppix).
> A lot - but there is no official 64-bit Linux POV-Ray binary, and the native
> compiler for Linux isn't as efficient as the official POV-Ray binary's
> compiler
This is completely wrong as well. The official binary is built with
plain stock gcc.
> I should also mention that POV-Ray's linux installer is command-line based
> (it's a historical thing; IIRC usually programs are installed from the
> command-line as a "super-user" and there's no graphical desktop - usually
> done for security reasons)
This is absolute nonsense. I know no one who would not run a GUI
program as root for security reasons.
Christoph
--
POV-Ray tutorials, include files, Landscape of the week:
http://www.imagico.de/ (Last updated 31 Oct. 2005)
MegaPOV with mechanics simulation: http://megapov.inetart.net/
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Mike C wrote:
> "Tek" <tek### [at] evilsuperbraincom> wrote:
>> Okay, google doesn't seem to be able to give me any clear advice on this
>> one, so I'll ask you guys:
>>
>> I just bought an 64-bit AMD Turion based laptop, which irritatingly has
>> 32-bit windows installed, so I'm thinking about doing a dual-boot with
>> linux and using the 64-bit version of pov. I've already run a 32-bit test
>> and my laptop's almost as fast as my desktop machine, so I assume it will
>> be faster in 64-bit. Anyway what I want to know is this:
>>
>> 1/ what version of linux should I get?
>
> Just so you know - "standard" Linux (for i386 (a.k.a. IA-32)) will be
> 32-bit
> Linux, just like your Windows. For Linux on 64-bit, you'll need a
> variant, e.g. a *SPECIAL* Linux for the so-called "IA-64" architechture
> (which means 64-bit processors).
What's so "special" about 64bit Linux?
>
> (That said, you'd also need a "special" Linux if you're using it on a mac.
> It's possible to run many linux apps on powerpc. :)
>
There are Linuxes for anything from a pocket watch to a "Blue Gene" super
computer. I personally run it on a cellphone, a PDA, my notebook, my
desktop computer and a cluster dedicated to Povray. And yes, my firewall,
file server,mail server and web/ftp/news server run Linux.
> I suggest the 64-bit (IA-64) version of Ubuntu, but it's really a matter
> of
> style. Do you know anything about linux? What do you want to get done
> (e.g. apart from POV-Ray)? What do you need in your OS? Editor? Web
> browsing? Multimedia? etc?
All are available in just about all distro's and in various flavors
>
> Second preference would be Debian; as for the rest, I've heard that the
> packaging system can be troublesome, so use whatever works. Also note
> that not all of the Linux distributions have 64-bit versions (it's
> possible, not
> everyone will make one though). You might want to try one of those odd
> Linux-distro-chooser surveys.
>
> Also, a good many things are ... more complex in Linux. More powerful
> too,
> but more complex anyways. And if it doesn't work from the get-go, chances
> are, setting it up will be a pain or next-to impossible unless you can
> code the device driver yourself.
You're way off the mark. Allmost everything works under Linux and if it
doesn't today it will next week.
>
> Techincally Linux is just the kernel, all the apps run on it (e.g. X
> Windows System, Gnome/KDE/TWM/etc/, your app, pov-ray etc. etc.), although
> the
> generalization is there. *shrugs* Usually people don't really care
> though about that.
>
>> 2/ how much better is 64-bit pov compared to 32-bit on the same system?
>> (i.e. is it worth the effort?)
>
> A lot - but there is no official 64-bit Linux POV-Ray binary, and the
> native compiler for Linux isn't as efficient as the official POV-Ray
> binary's compiler
I never knew there's a compiler specially made for Povray
> (although I imagine that the performance gain from
> optimizing for
> 64-bit could make up for that). Also, the Linux version is _command-line_
> so you'll need an external editor (e.g. Kate, QTPovEditor, etc.). Out of
> curiousity, does the POV-Ray team's official Linux binaries use the same
> compiler series as the Windows ones, or is it just Windows binaries that
> use the Intel Compiler?
Using a Windows compiler for Linux binaries?
>
> I should also mention that POV-Ray's linux installer is command-line based
> (it's a historical thing; IIRC usually programs are installed from the
> command-line as a "super-user" and there's no graphical desktop - usually
> done for security reasons)
Wrong again, plenty of graphic installer shells available. Every mainstream
distro has at least one and if one doesn't like it, there are others out
there.
> - so you may like Window's graphical installer
> better. My experience with graphical Linux installers has been rather
> unsettling, with few exceptions.
>
> If you can manage, I would recommend using 64-bit Windows and official
> POV-Ray Binaries. If you still _want_ to try Linux, investigate the
> concept known as creating a "Dual-Boot" system (I believe most decent
> Linux distributions are designed for this from the get-go now) and then
> you can "have the best of both worlds".
>
> Just as a note, I write this from Linux on a dual-boot system with Windows
> XP. :) 32-bit though. *sigh* I still keep XP for a couple of things -
> Linux doesn't do quite everything I need in a OS.
>
You must be needing "very" special things then. I installed Linux about 8
years ago and finally removed Windows about 5 years ago. I can do
everything I need done on Linux.
> -- Michael C.
Oh boy, you're so far of the mark, it hurts my brain
--
Ger
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Warp wrote:
> I am often too lazy to boot to windows in order to watch a DVD, so
> I just watch it in linux with mplayer. Mplayer does not support
> anything else than watching the specified track (eg. it doesn't
> support the DVD menu system nor any interactive functionality that
> the DVD may have), but it has been enough...
Late response, but you may want to try Ogle for watching DVD's.
There's always VLC, as well.
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