Hi all.

The last two days I have been remastering Knoppix v3.4
(2004-05-17 BETA) in order to put on it POV-Ray for
Linux and some other POV-Ray related linux tools.

More info about Knoppix can be found here:
http://knoppix.net/

So far I have succeeded in producing a Knoppix CD that
contains POV-Ray v3.6 and Blender v2.32.

Both these applications seems to works ok so far.

On this page I see some more unix-tools listed:
http://www.povray.org/download/unix-tools.php

Maybe some of these and others could be put onto the
CD as well.

The Gimp v2.0, Netpbm v10 (?) and ImageMagick v6.0.1
are already on the CD.

Now some questions:

- Would anyone be interested in such a Knoppix CD ?

- Will there be any legal problems related to the
   distribution of it ?

- If not, how could/should it be distributed ?

- Does anyone have suggestions for other resources
   to put on it ?

- Could it in any way be used to promote POV-Ray or
   help sponsoring of the POV-Ray development ?

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:51:39 +0200, Tor Olav Kristensen
<tor_olav_kCURLYAhotmail.com> wrote:
> - Would anyone be interested in such a Knoppix CD ?

I would be very interested. Contest for name? Contest for (shortest ;-> code
of) logo ?

> - Will there be any legal problems related to the
>   distribution of it ?

There is new distribution licence on the page with downloads.

> - Does anyone have suggestions for other resources
>   to put on it ?

IIRC Nicolas has used Knoppix for part of 3.6 development. Perhaps he already
found something useful. POV-Anywhere? Something for making animations from
stills with some GUI interface? Wings?

Look at http://www.opensourcelab.it/ . It already tells about POVRay but if it
is the same debian distribution of POV-Ray I have heard, then I prefer
something made by experienced POV user like you.

> - Could it in any way be used to promote POV-Ray or
>   help sponsoring of the POV-Ray development ?

IMO existence within list
http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixCustomizations
could already promote POV.

ABX

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Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> The last two days I have been remastering Knoppix v3.4
> (2004-05-17 BETA) in order to put on it POV-Ray for
> Linux and some other POV-Ray related linux tools.
> 
> More info about Knoppix can be found here:
> http://knoppix.net/
> 
> So far I have succeeded in producing a Knoppix CD that
> contains POV-Ray v3.6 and Blender v2.32.
> 
> Both these applications seems to works ok so far.
> 
> On this page I see some more unix-tools listed:
> http://www.povray.org/download/unix-tools.php

QTPov and Emacs pov-mode would certainly be useful (assuming 
Emacs/XEmacs are in Knoppix by default).

> 
> - Will there be any legal problems related to the
>   distribution of it ?

Probably not, the new distribution license has a special point about 
Linux distributions which will cover this as well.

> - If not, how could/should it be distributed ?

Availability on the net will probably be a good idea although a lot of 
people will not like the download volume.  It could be sold like the 
IRTC CD-ROMs for supporting POV-Ray (although there would be less 
motivation to buy it because it will be available for free as well).

> - Does anyone have suggestions for other resources
>   to put on it ?

It would be very good to also include some common include files (you 
would have to obtain consent from the authors for this of course).

Furthermore:

- a newsreader preconfigured for news.povray.org
- IMP and POV-Anywhere clients preconfigured (the latter will require a 
correctly configured MTA for using the email mode so this might be tricky)
- screensaver configured to show a slideshow of POV-Ray renders.

Christoph

-- 
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HCR-Edit and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/
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ABX wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:51:39 +0200, Tor Olav Kristensen
> <tor_olav_kCURLYAhotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>- Would anyone be interested in such a Knoppix CD ?
> 
> 
> I would be very interested. Contest for name? Contest for (shortest ;-> code
> of) logo ?

Hehe - Maybe we can arrange that if there is any interest.


>>- Will there be any legal problems related to the
>>  distribution of it ?
> 
> 
> There is new distribution licence on the page with downloads.

OK. I have now skimmed through it and I think it seems ok to
distribute such a CD.


>>- Does anyone have suggestions for other resources
>>  to put on it ?
> 
> 
> IIRC Nicolas has used Knoppix for part of 3.6 development. Perhaps he already
> found something useful. POV-Anywhere? Something for making animations from
> stills with some GUI interface? Wings?
> 
> Look at http://www.opensourcelab.it/ . It already tells about POVRay but if it
> is the same debian distribution of POV-Ray I have heard, then I prefer
> something made by experienced POV user like you.

Hmmm...
I just had a quick look at that. It seems to contain a lot.
- I'll have to download it and try it out.


>>- Could it in any way be used to promote POV-Ray or
>>  help sponsoring of the POV-Ray development ?
> 
> 
> IMO existence within list
> http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixCustomizations
> could already promote POV.

Good point.


Thank you for your comments.


-- 
Tor Olav
http://subcube.com
http://subcube.net

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Christoph Hormann wrote:
> Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
> 
>>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> The last two days I have been remastering Knoppix v3.4
>> (2004-05-17 BETA) in order to put on it POV-Ray for
>> Linux and some other POV-Ray related linux tools.
>>
>> More info about Knoppix can be found here:
>> http://knoppix.net/
>>
>> So far I have succeeded in producing a Knoppix CD that
>> contains POV-Ray v3.6 and Blender v2.32.
>>
>> Both these applications seems to works ok so far.
>>
>> On this page I see some more unix-tools listed:
>> http://www.povray.org/download/unix-tools.php
> 
> 
> QTPov and Emacs pov-mode would certainly be useful (assuming 
> Emacs/XEmacs are in Knoppix by default).

I haven't tried that one yet.

I'm struggling a bit with QT and KPovModeler.
( ./configure doesn't seem to like/recognize the
installed QT version on Knoppix v3.4.)

Hopefully the installation of QTPov will go smoother.


>> - Will there be any legal problems related to the
>>   distribution of it ?
> 
> 
> Probably not, the new distribution license has a special point about 
> Linux distributions which will cover this as well.

Ok.


>> - If not, how could/should it be distributed ?
> 
> 
> Availability on the net will probably be a good idea although a lot of 
> people will not like the download volume.  It could be sold like the 
> IRTC CD-ROMs for supporting POV-Ray (although there would be less 
> motivation to buy it because it will be available for free as well).

My ISP doesn't allow me to set up any servers for
incoming traffic, so maybe I'll have to share it via
bittorrent or something similar.


>> - Does anyone have suggestions for other resources
>>   to put on it ?
> 
> 
> It would be very good to also include some common include files (you 
> would have to obtain consent from the authors for this of course).

Good idea.


> Furthermore:
> 
> - a newsreader preconfigured for news.povray.org

Yes - But I have beeen wondering if a preconfigured
username and email address would cause any troubles for
these news-groups.


> - IMP and POV-Anywhere clients preconfigured (the latter will require a 
> correctly configured MTA for using the email mode so this might be tricky)

I haven't configured any MTA's yet so maybe I'll need
help to do this.

I once started reading the sendmail manual, but it scared
me away =(


> - screensaver configured to show a slideshow of POV-Ray renders.

Yes. Does anyone know about any good such screensavers ?



Thank you for your good suggestions.

-- 
Tor Olav
http://subcube.com
http://subcube.net

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ABX wrote:
...
> IIRC Nicolas has used Knoppix for part of 3.6 development. Perhaps he already
> found something useful. POV-Anywhere? Something for making animations from
> stills with some GUI interface? Wings?
...

Knoppix for 3.6 development - Thats interesting.


I *think* I have managed to install Wings. But I
don't like the way it is done now. I'll do some
testing and try to find a better way to install it.

Any suggestions for useful animation tools would
be nice.


-- 
Tor Olav
http://subcube.com
http://subcube.net

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The tools I cannot live without when POVing in the Windows environment:

Wings 3d or similar free mesh modeller

Uvmapper or similar freetool ( Wings does have UV mapping support which 
I could live with reluctantly.)

Poseray.  Could get by with any free .obj2mesh2 converter but Poseray is 
preferred.

Image editor.  Gimp would be just fine I'm guessing.

Text editor. Prefer something at least as feature rich as what's 
integrated in the Window's version of POV-Ray.

Nice to have:

Megapov

MLpov

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> - Would anyone be interested in such a Knoppix CD ?

I'm very intresting!
I have Japanese virsion Knoppix CD.
But it dosen't include POV-ray.

> - Does anyone have suggestions for other resources
>    to put on it ?

KPOVmodeller.
Wings3D

//Java application
  Jpatch
  Arabeske
  POV-Tree


Regards.

miyoken

"Tor Olav Kristensen" <tor_olav_kCURLYAhotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Hi all.
>
> The last two days I have been remastering Knoppix v3.4
> (2004-05-17 BETA) in order to put on it POV-Ray for
> Linux and some other POV-Ray related linux tools.
>
> More info about Knoppix can be found here:
> http://knoppix.net/
>
> So far I have succeeded in producing a Knoppix CD that
> contains POV-Ray v3.6 and Blender v2.32.
>
> Both these applications seems to works ok so far.
>
> On this page I see some more unix-tools listed:
> http://www.povray.org/download/unix-tools.php
>
> Maybe some of these and others could be put onto the
> CD as well.
>
> The Gimp v2.0, Netpbm v10 (?) and ImageMagick v6.0.1
> are already on the CD.
>
> Now some questions:
>
> - Would anyone be interested in such a Knoppix CD ?
>
> - Will there be any legal problems related to the
>    distribution of it ?
>
> - If not, how could/should it be distributed ?
>
> - Does anyone have suggestions for other resources
>    to put on it ?
>
> - Could it in any way be used to promote POV-Ray or
>    help sponsoring of the POV-Ray development ?
>
> --
> Tor Olav
> http://subcube.com
> http://subcube.net
>

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Jim Charter wrote:
> 
> 
> The tools I cannot live without when POVing in the Windows environment:
> 
> Wings 3d or similar free mesh modeller

I have already managed to make this one work.


> Uvmapper or similar freetool ( Wings does have UV mapping support which 
> I could live with reluctantly.)

Uvmapper seems to be a commercial product for Windows.

Any other alternatives ?


> Poseray.  Could get by with any free .obj2mesh2 converter but Poseray is 
> preferred.

It seems that Poseray is only available for windows.

So I need suggestions for free/open ".obj2mesh2"-
converters.


> Image editor.  Gimp would be just fine I'm guessing.

The Gimp is great. The menu layouts has been much
improved in v2.0.


> Text editor. Prefer something at least as feature rich as what's 
> integrated in the Window's version of POV-Ray.

Emacs has more features and possibilities than most
people want. And many people find it hard to learn.

But most of those who do will not leave Emacs once
they have seen the light.


> Nice to have:
> 
> Megapov
> 
> MLpov

I guess that it will be possible to have both of these.


Tor Olav

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miyoken wrote:

>>- Would anyone be interested in such a Knoppix CD ?
> 
> 
> I'm very intresting!

Happy to hear that.


> I have Japanese virsion Knoppix CD.
> But it dosen't include POV-ray.
> 
> 
>>- Does anyone have suggestions for other resources
>>   to put on it ?
> 
> 
> KPOVmodeller.
> Wings3D

Wings is ok, but I'm struggling a bit with KPovModeler.


> //Java application
>   Jpatch
>   Arabeske
>   POV-Tree

These are ok too.

Jpatch and Arabeske seems to be GNU GPL-ed.

But for POV-Tree I did not find any license information
on it's web-pages. So I will have to ask Gena Obukhov and
Tom Aust for permission to include it.


Tor Olav

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Where would be a proper place to put all the
suggested .jar files in such a Knoppix distro ?

/usr/local/
/usr/share/
/usr/java/
/home/knoppix/

- or some other place ?

And what about the associated manuals and other
included stuff  ?


Tor Olav

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Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
> 
> Where would be a proper place to put all the
> suggested .jar files in such a Knoppix distro ?
> 
> /usr/local/
> /usr/share/
> /usr/java/
> /home/knoppix/
> 
> - or some other place ?

Don't know, but i'd always place a startup script into /usr/bin.

> And what about the associated manuals and other
> included stuff  ?

Supplementary files for a programs usually go into /usr/share/program-name/.

Christoph

-- 
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HCR-Edit and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/
Last updated 01 May. 2004 _____./\/^>_*_<^\/\.______

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Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:

> Uvmapper seems to be a commercial product for Windows.
> 

Uvmapper "Classic" is in fact freeware.

> Any other alternatives ?

I know of nothing linux based at the moment I am afraid.  Would have to 
rely on Wings' or Blender.  Too bad.


> 
> So I need suggestions for free/open ".obj2mesh2"-
> converters.
> 
> 

Beats me.

> 
> 
> Tor Olav

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> IIRC Nicolas has used Knoppix for part of 3.6 development. Perhaps he already
> found something useful.

	Well Knoppix 3.4 has been used for compiling purposes only, and
I didn't investigate anything else but which version of gcc was there  :-)

	- NC

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Tor Olav Kristensen <tor_olav_kCURLYAhotmail.com> wrote:
 
> Now some questions:
> 
> - Would anyone be interested in such a Knoppix CD ?

Yes I am.

> - Does anyone have suggestions for other resources
>    to put on it ?

If the version you are making comes with Wine, you can
include Anim8or (it's a windows freeware 3D program but
works fine with Wine, at least here with Suse 9.1)
http://www.anim8or.com

Kpovmodeler is a nice linux modeller for Povray 
(very similar to Moray), it would be nice to have it.

QTPoveditor is a must (IMHO)

Talking about a converter, Suse comes with 3dto3d from
Thomas Baier, I don't if it's freeware though.
http://www.3dwin.com
 
Hope this helps.

Bye, and thank you for your efforts.

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Christoph Hormann wrote:
> Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
> 
>>
>> Where would be a proper place to put all the
>> suggested .jar files in such a Knoppix distro ?
>>
>> /usr/local/
>> /usr/share/
>> /usr/java/
>> /home/knoppix/
>>
>> - or some other place ?
> 
> 
> Don't know, but i'd always place a startup script into /usr/bin.
> 
>> And what about the associated manuals and other
>> included stuff  ?
> 
> 
> Supplementary files for a programs usually go into 
> /usr/share/program-name/.

Ok.

I have tried to follow your advices and I have also looked at other
applications. It is not easy to find clear patterns.

Most of these POV/Ray related applications seems to have been made
to be contained in a single directory beneath the user's home
directory, e.g.:

/home/knoppix/application-name

But I do not think this is a good place to put it on a Knoppix
distro, because this directory actually exists in a RAM-disk.

Here's how I have tried to arrange things:

/usr/local/bin <-- Startup scripts
/usr/local/lib/application-name/ <-- .jar/.beam/binary/plugin-files
/usr/local/share/application-name/ <-- include/example-files etc.
/usr/local/share/doc/application-name/ <-- manuals/licenses etc.

The applications now starts, but I'm not sure if they find all
their needed files:

I would appreciate it if anyone could comment on this arrangement.


Next thing to do is to try to make entries in the KDE start menu
for all the startup scripts.

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Txemi Jendrix wrote:
> Tor Olav Kristensen <tor_olav_kCURLYAhotmail.com> wrote:
>  
> 
>>Now some questions:
>>
>>- Would anyone be interested in such a Knoppix CD ?
> 
> 
> Yes I am.

Good !


>>- Does anyone have suggestions for other resources
>>   to put on it ?
> 
> 
> If the version you are making comes with Wine, you can
> include Anim8or (it's a windows freeware 3D program but
> works fine with Wine, at least here with Suse 9.1)
> http://www.anim8or.com

I'll look into this.


> Kpovmodeler is a nice linux modeller for Povray 
> (very similar to Moray), it would be nice to have it.

> QTPoveditor is a must (IMHO)

Already working.


> Talking about a converter, Suse comes with 3dto3d from
> Thomas Baier, I don't if it's freeware though.
> http://www.3dwin.com

I installed SuSE 9.1 on a apre hd yesterday, and managed
to install the package for this converter. I doesn't seem
to be many files in the package, so maybe I could just
copy the files into the right places in the Knoppix file
three.


> Hope this helps.
> Bye, and thank you for your efforts.

Thank you for your feedback.

:)


-- 
Tor Olav
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Jim Charter wrote:
> Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
> 
>> Uvmapper seems to be a commercial product for Windows.
>>
> 
> Uvmapper "Classic" is in fact freeware.

Ok, I'll check the licence and see if distribution is allowed.

If it is, then hopefully someone could try so see if it can
be run in Linux on e.g. Wine (?)


Tor Olav

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Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
> Txemi Jendrix wrote:
...
>> Kpovmodeler is a nice linux modeller for Povray (very similar to 
>> Moray), it would be nice to have it.
> 
> 
>> QTPoveditor is a must (IMHO)
> 
> 
> Already working.

I meant QTPoveditor is working.

(KPovModeler is still troublesome.)


Tor Olav

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I'm going sailing in the fjords now, so I won't
be able to reply to messages in here for a while.


Tor Olav

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