Folks,

I generally take a hands-off approach to the administration of this
news server, in the (correct) belief that it will in general self-
moderate. This has worked fairly well for more than five years. As
a rule I do not read the groups in detail and rely on community and
co-admin's feedback to let me know what's going on.

In particular please be aware that I am not about to get into writing
legalistic AUP's that get ignored (or mis-interpreted) anyhow.

I want to make it clear right now that I will *not* accept any ongoing
behaviour (particularly in the groups outside off-topic) that could
end up in either -

  (a) the web view of these groups being "net-nannied" by blocking
      sites (for all I know this has already happened),

  (b) the site downgraded or mis-classified by search engines such as
      Google due to the presence of discussions on certain topics that
      do not belong here, or

  (c) that would cause average users to want to avoid the server or
      group in question.

In case the fairly "open-ended" nature of the above statement causes
concern, sorry, but I'm not going to turn it into a formal AUP nor am
I willing to argue the definition of what an 'average user' is and what
one would or would not like to see. I am expecting common sense to
prevail here. While I understand that some involved in art like to, on
occasions, 'push the boundary' of taste, and that this is an accepted
practice on some other servers, it is not acceptable here.

Over the years this server has turned into not only a superb form of
support for POV-Ray but also a real community of people, which is a
thing I am happy to see and which I want to preserve. Those who would
choose to disturb that sense of community (whether intentionally or
not) are asked to revise their ways.

For the benefit of new users reading this message and wondering what
right I have to make these statements, or who want to get into some
sort of argument over 'free speech': please be advised that this is
a privately-owned computer system which happens to host some discussion
groups. The old saying "my server, my rules" is a blunt but nevertheless
accurate depiction of the situation. People connect to this system (and
their posts remain on its hard disk) by invitation. Please keep this in
mind.

-- Chris Cason
   News server administrator
   [followups set to povray.general]

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Chris Cason wrote:

> 
>   (b) the site downgraded or mis-classified by search engines such as
>       Google due to the presence of discussions on certain topics that
>       do not belong here, or


Reply posted to povray.off-topic under the heading 'Inflammatory 
Discussion at povray.general'.

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On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:16:07 +1000, "Chris Cason"
<new### [at] deletethispovrayorg> wrote:

>Folks,
>
>I generally take a hands-off approach to the administration of this
>news server, in the (correct) belief that it will in general self-
>moderate. This has worked fairly well for more than five years. As
>a rule I do not read the groups in detail and rely on community and
>co-admin's feedback to let me know what's going on.
>
>In particular please be aware that I am not about to get into writing
>legalistic AUP's that get ignored (or mis-interpreted) anyhow.
>
>I want to make it clear right now that I will *not* accept any ongoing
>behaviour (particularly in the groups outside off-topic) that could
>end up in either -
>
>  (a) the web view of these groups being "net-nannied" by blocking
>      sites (for all I know this has already happened),
>
>  (b) the site downgraded or mis-classified by search engines such as
>      Google due to the presence of discussions on certain topics that
>      do not belong here, or
>
>  (c) that would cause average users to want to avoid the server or
>      group in question.
>
>In case the fairly "open-ended" nature of the above statement causes
>concern, sorry, but I'm not going to turn it into a formal AUP nor am
>I willing to argue the definition of what an 'average user' is and what
>one would or would not like to see. I am expecting common sense to
>prevail here. While I understand that some involved in art like to, on
>occasions, 'push the boundary' of taste, and that this is an accepted
>practice on some other servers, it is not acceptable here.
>
>Over the years this server has turned into not only a superb form of
>support for POV-Ray but also a real community of people, which is a
>thing I am happy to see and which I want to preserve. Those who would
>choose to disturb that sense of community (whether intentionally or
>not) are asked to revise their ways.
>
>For the benefit of new users reading this message and wondering what
>right I have to make these statements, or who want to get into some
>sort of argument over 'free speech': please be advised that this is
>a privately-owned computer system which happens to host some discussion
>groups. The old saying "my server, my rules" is a blunt but nevertheless
>accurate depiction of the situation. People connect to this system (and
>their posts remain on its hard disk) by invitation. Please keep this in
>mind.
>
>-- Chris Cason
>   News server administrator
>   [followups set to povray.general]
>

Please clarify one point:

Does posting links to adult imagery break these standards/rules?

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"IMBJR" <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in message
news:24g370tdes3mjjqtgt0ur265bi7vgma6jr@4ax.com...
>>
>>  (c) that would cause average users to want to avoid the server or
>>      group in question.
>>
>
> Please clarify one point:
>
> Does posting links to adult imagery break these standards/rules?
>



Speaking as an average user, I would avoid a server which is a portal to
porn, even if there were some difference between a portal for porn and an
outright web publishing house of porn.   Anyone with me?

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gregj;-)565### [at] aolcom news:4073297e$1@news.povray.org

> outright web publishing house of porn.   Anyone with me?

Yes my son !!!

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On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:06:50 -0400, "Greg M. Johnson"
<gregj;-)565### [at] aolcom> wrote:

>
>"IMBJR" <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in message
>news:24g370tdes3mjjqtgt0ur265bi7vgma6jr@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>  (c) that would cause average users to want to avoid the server or
>>>      group in question.
>>>
>>
>> Please clarify one point:
>>
>> Does posting links to adult imagery break these standards/rules?
>>
>
>
>
>Speaking as an average user, I would avoid a server which is a portal to
>porn, even if there were some difference between a portal for porn and an
>outright web publishing house of porn.   Anyone with me?

Well I don't think the one I am using is. Or is it?

>

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http://www.imbjr.com

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Greg M. Johnson wrote:

>   Anyone with me?


And that's what it's all about for you, isn't it?

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"IMBJR" <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in message
news:24g370tdes3mjjqtgt0ur265bi7vgma6jr@4ax.com...

> Please clarify one point:
>
> Does posting links to adult imagery break these standards/rules?

After discussing this with the rest of the server administration we feel that this
is in keeping with section 2 of the AUP and we will not object to an appropriately
worded message with a link provided to an off-site image. Please make sure that
you identify it as adult related material when you do. This will allow others to
decide
if they wish to view material of that type at their own discretion.

--
Ken Tyler
News Admin.

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Greg M. Johnson wrote:
> 
> Speaking as an average user, I would avoid a server which is a portal to
> porn, even if there were some difference between a portal for porn and an
> outright web publishing house of porn.   Anyone with me?

I can uphold good (or at least mediocre) taste as a matter of principle, 
but I'm not joining your bible-thumping crusade.

Also, I don't think that being Very Very Offended and threatening to 
leave is going to cause anyone to change the way this server is run if 
you're the only one who's doing it. If you're going to leave, leave.

-Xplo

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"Ken" <ken### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
news:40734b51@news.povray.org...
> After discussing this with the rest of the server administration we feel
that this
> is in keeping with section 2 of the AUP and we will not object to an
appropriately
> worded message with a link provided to an off-site image.
>

Hey it's yall's server.

<<
2.) We have a number of young people that visit this server. Because
    of this we ask that you keep this in mind before posting messages
    or images of an explicit sexual nature. While nudity is commonly
    used as a form of artistic expression we ask that you present it
    as tastefully as possible if you post images of this type. Use good
    judgment where this is concerned and be aware that children may
    be watching as their parents download images posted on this server.

    You might consider uploading images of a controversial nature to
    your personal web page and provide a link to it from a message
    posted here. This gives people the opportunity to decide if they
    wish to view material of this type at their own discretion.>>


There is however an inherent contradiction within section 2.   If there is
free rein to post links to images of an explicit sexual nature,  this raises
a few problems:

i) the site is not a place for young people by virtue of the links
themselves.

ii) the site is not a place for young people by virtue of the discussion of
the explicit sexual content:  ah, the finish on that <body part> is wrong,
the pose is insufficiently amorous 'cuz of <this or that>.

Would this stuff be happening on a site for Rhino or Moray?

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"Greg M. Johnson" <gregj;-)565### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
news:40735a30$1@news.povray.org...

> There is however an inherent contradiction within section 2.   If there is
> free rein to post links to images of an explicit sexual nature,  this raises
> a few problems:
>
> i) the site is not a place for young people by virtue of the links
> themselves.

Children should not be using the internet without adult supervision anyway.
It is quite easy to give a child access to a news reading program while at
the same time limiting that child to an internet browser. That is my opinion.

> ii) the site is not a place for young people by virtue of the discussion of
> the explicit sexual content:  ah, the finish on that <body part> is wrong,
> the pose is insufficiently amorous 'cuz of <this or that>.
>
> Would this stuff be happening on a site for Rhino or Moray?

Greg,

Now matter how much we may wish otherwise, there is no way that we are going
to please all the people all the time. The best we can hope for is to find a middle
ground that will please the majority of the people participating here. It is our wish
that, with this policy, we have hit a happy medium. If we bend a few noses in the
process that is the price we are willing to pay. You should at least be happy that
we are being proactive on the issue of posting of sexually explicit materials on
this server. We cannot control what people post on their personal web sites nor
would we want to. We can and will control what people post here to the extent
necessary to serve our purposes. If discussions get out of control we will, if
necessary, jump in and ask that people tone it down to an appropriate level.
What we deem appropriate may differ from your interpretation of appropriate
and for that we apologize in advance. Not everyone shares your level of
Puritanism and that is the cross you yourself will have to bear alone.

Ken
News Admin.

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"Greg M. Johnson" <gregj;-)565### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
news:4073297e$1@news.povray.org...
> Speaking as an average user, I would avoid a server which is a portal to
> porn, even if there were some difference between a portal for porn and an
> outright web publishing house of porn.   Anyone with me?

I would certainly agree, but I don't think you've answered IMBJR's question.

He asked about adult imagery, not pornography. I believe there is a substantial
distinction between the two, though I grant that some people may find them both
equally offensive.

As for a ban, I don't really mind one way or another: it takes a heck of a lot
to offend me, but I don't believe the groups should be a forum for testing the
boundaries of taste. As an artist it won't affect me since I'm not interested in
exploring adult themes in my work.

-- 
Tek
www.evilsuperbrain.com

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On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:29:04 -0700, "Ken" <ken### [at] tagpovrayorg>
wrote:

>
>"IMBJR" <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in message
news:24g370tdes3mjjqtgt0ur265bi7vgma6jr@4ax.com...
>
>> Please clarify one point:
>>
>> Does posting links to adult imagery break these standards/rules?
>
>After discussing this with the rest of the server administration we feel that this
>is in keeping with section 2 of the AUP and we will not object to an appropriately
>worded message with a link provided to an off-site image. Please make sure that
>you identify it as adult related material when you do. This will allow others to
decide
>if they wish to view material of that type at their own discretion.

Cheers. I shall be adhering to this ruling in the future.

--------------------------------
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http://www.imbjr.com

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> > Please clarify one point:
> >
> > Does posting links to adult imagery break these standards/rules?
>
> After discussing this with the rest of the server administration we feel
that this
> is in keeping with section 2 of the AUP and we will not object to an
appropriately
> worded message with a link provided to an off-site image. Please make sure
that
> you identify it as adult related material when you do. This will allow
others to decide
> if they wish to view material of that type at their own discretion.

Ken, just for the record:

3.) Please remember that POV-Ray appeals to a wide range of users
    from a global community. These people come from many different
    cultures, ethnic backgrounds, and religious beliefs that may
    differ from your own. We ask that you try to keep this in mind
    and not to post messages that may be considered inflammatory,
    critical, or abusive where others beliefs are concerned.

    Users of this news server may not post messages that could
    reasonably be expected, by today's standards, to cause another
    reasonable person to not want to use or visit this server due
    to a feeling of harassment. Personal attacks, exhibiting
    insulting or abusive behavior, are not an acceptable activity
    on this news server. Likewise, the use of profanity is also
    considered unacceptable.


This is straight from the "News Server acceptance policy" from
povray.announce.faq.

My question is: does "post" in this context only limit itself to "written
post", or does an image count as well, or a link to an image (which, to me,
all qualify as the same: there's a reference from here to the image/post)?
If you take a look at the latest image IMBJR has provided a link to... It
raises a level of disgust in me and others which I don't think is
appropriate. If new people come here and find that sort of stuff, I don't
expect this newsgroup to flourish and grow.

In accordance to the above quoted paragraph, there are already several here
who have voiced an oppinion against IMBJRs recent image parade. What I hope
for is that the News Admin has an eye on this and will take action if this
goes much further. Personally, I *do* feel offended by some of his images,
though not by religious beliefs like Greg.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
"Tim Nikias v2.0"
Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>

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> After discussing this with the rest of the server administration we feel that this
> is in keeping with section 2 of the AUP and we will not object to an appropriately
> worded message with a link provided to an off-site image. Please make sure that
> you identify it as adult related material when you do. This will allow others to
decide
> if they wish to view material of that type at their own discretion.
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> News Admin.
> 

This is a site were most poster use their real names in all openess and are as such
associated with the nature and contents of the site were they hang out. There are
other
sites were everybody is anonymus and can freak out without any consequences.

It is not that people need to decide if they want to see something or not. The point
is that that they don't want do be associated with it. As such it doesn't make any
difference if the link is to an on-site or an off-site image.

The poster himself (IMBJR/Doctor Morbius) stays anonymus and thus doesn't have this
problem.

Nudity? Erotism? no problem. Pornography? maybe if it is of highly artistic quality.
Perversity? Vulgarity? Horror scenes? no thanks.


Regards, Hans

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<jez### [at] godheavenorg> schrieb:
> Yes my son !!!


Raf, this is not funny!

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"IMBJR" <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in message
news:9mb770dmajq77635qqq64abd06kcrneo9f@4ax.com...
> >> Please clarify one point:
> >>
> >> Does posting links to adult imagery break these standards/rules?
> >
> >After discussing this with the rest of the server administration we feel that this
> >is in keeping with section 2 of the AUP and we will not object to an appropriately
> >worded message with a link provided to an off-site image. Please make sure that
> >you identify it as adult related material when you do. This will allow others to
decide
> >if they wish to view material of that type at their own discretion.
>
> Cheers. I shall be adhering to this ruling in the future.

As long as you understand that we are allowing this under the condition that
you are posting a link to something that we consider might help promote and
advance the use and appreciation of POV-Ray. Linking to artistically portrayed
nudity might fall into this category if done well. Linking to close-up images of
genitalia for the purpose of shocking and/or offending does not fall into this
category. This last was not the only example of possible of something that we
may take issue with.

Be forewarned that we will not tolerate you linking to tasteless smut like your
last post in pbi. If that happens again the message and/or thread will be removed
and you may disappear along with it. The number of negative comments we
have been receiving about you has pretty much pushed us to the limit and, as
Chris Cason said elsewhere, you should carefully consider your future actions
with regards to posting on this news server.

Ken Tyler
News Admin.

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"Ken" <ken### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
news:4074ab73$1@news.povray.org...
>
> "IMBJR" <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in message
news:9mb770dmajq77635qqq64abd06kcrneo9f@4ax.com...
> > >> Please clarify one point:
> > >>
> > >> Does posting links to adult imagery break these standards/rules?
> > >
> > >After discussing this with the rest of the server administration we
feel that this
> > >is in keeping with section 2 of the AUP and we will not object to an
appropriately
> > >worded message with a link provided to an off-site image. Please make
sure that
> > >you identify it as adult related material when you do. This will allow
others to decide
> > >if they wish to view material of that type at their own discretion.
> >
> > Cheers. I shall be adhering to this ruling in the future.
>
> As long as you understand that we are allowing this under the condition
that
> you are posting a link to something that we consider might help promote
and
> advance the use and appreciation of POV-Ray. Linking to artistically
portrayed
> nudity might fall into this category if done well. Linking to close-up
images of
> genitalia for the purpose of shocking and/or offending does not fall into
this
> category. This last was not the only example of possible of something that
we
> may take issue with.
>
> Be forewarned that we will not tolerate you linking to tasteless smut like
your
> last post in pbi. If that happens again the message and/or thread will be
removed
> and you may disappear along with it. The number of negative comments we
> have been receiving about you has pretty much pushed us to the limit and,
as
> Chris Cason said elsewhere, you should carefully consider your future
actions
> with regards to posting on this news server.

That "tasteless smut" was an example of quadtree traversal done entirely in
POV. See one of the scene file groups for the code - since there seemed to
be a number of doubters as to its provenance.

>
> Ken Tyler
> News Admin.
>
>

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IMBJR <no### [at] spamhere> wrote:
> That "tasteless smut" was an example of quadtree traversal done entirely in
> POV. See one of the scene file groups for the code - since there seemed to
> be a number of doubters as to its provenance.

  I don't believe Ken was in any way referring to *how* the image was
done but about its *contents*.

  Fighting with server administrators may be a good way to get you
expelled, making you some kind of "martyr", but do you seriously think
anyone is going to care?

-- 
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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
news:407522ee@news.povray.org...
> IMBJR <no### [at] spamhere> wrote:
> > That "tasteless smut" was an example of quadtree traversal done entirely
in
> > POV. See one of the scene file groups for the code - since there seemed
to
> > be a number of doubters as to its provenance.
>
>   I don't believe Ken was in any way referring to *how* the image was
> done but about its *contents*.
>
>   Fighting with server administrators may be a good way to get you
> expelled, making you some kind of "martyr", but do you seriously think
> anyone is going to care?
>

Of course some people care, but the povray news server is private and the
issue of who cares about square pegs in round holes is moot.

At least this noisy issue has not been promoted to the level where submitted
images to p.b.i. must be approved by a pre-posting authority.

Concerns about the news server's google-reputation should also
comprise thoughtful contemplation about how the greater ratio of
complaints attract more attention than the relatively few so-called
"objectionable" images.

The clearer the constraints of the AUP, the better able potential
contributors to judge whether to submit. I have no idea if the admins
are reviewing the current AUP (easily available for viewing).
If there are any clarifications to the AUP (or changes) I'm sure there
will a new posting to p.a.f-a-q

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On 8 Apr 2004 06:01:19 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

>IMBJR <no### [at] spamhere> wrote:
>> That "tasteless smut" was an example of quadtree traversal done entirely in
>> POV. See one of the scene file groups for the code - since there seemed to
>> be a number of doubters as to its provenance.
>
>  I don't believe Ken was in any way referring to *how* the image was
>done but about its *contents*.
>
>  Fighting with server administrators may be a good way to get you
>expelled, making you some kind of "martyr", but do you seriously think
>anyone is going to care?

What a bizarre mind you have. Martyr? You speak in terms completely
unsuited to the situation. This ain't religion.


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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 06:13:18 -0700, Hans de Vries
<han### [at] chip-architectcom> wrote:

>
>> After discussing this with the rest of the server administration we feel that this
>> is in keeping with section 2 of the AUP and we will not object to an appropriately
>> worded message with a link provided to an off-site image. Please make sure that
>> you identify it as adult related material when you do. This will allow others to
decide
>> if they wish to view material of that type at their own discretion.
>> 
>> --
>> Ken Tyler
>> News Admin.
>> 
>
>This is a site were most poster use their real names in all openess and are as such

My real name is on record. Look it up.

>associated with the nature and contents of the site were they hang out. There are
other
>sites were everybody is anonymus and can freak out without any consequences.

No one is anonymous on the 'net, to think so is very dellusional.

>
>It is not that people need to decide if they want to see something or not. The point
>is that that they don't want do be associated with it. As such it doesn't make any
>difference if the link is to an on-site or an off-site image.
>
>The poster himself (IMBJR/Doctor Morbius) stays anonymus and thus doesn't have this
problem.

Dream on. I'm very transparent. Just because you personally are not
capable of looking up my details does not mean others are not.

>
>Nudity? Erotism? no problem. Pornography? maybe if it is of highly artistic quality.
>Perversity? Vulgarity? Horror scenes? no thanks.

Sounds more like: Real Life? No thanks.

>
>
>Regards, Hans

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"IMBJR" <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in message
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<snip>

Are you so bored you need to resurrect a dead subject to start another fight?

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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:29:38 -0700, "Ken" <ken### [at] tagpovrayorg>
wrote:

>
>"IMBJR" <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in message
news:iml5809nrinhmpk7kj7mh1j99e8c23k6d4@4ax.com...
><snip>
>
>Are you so bored you need to resurrect a dead subject to start another fight?

I've been on holiday and am catching up on posts. Hardly a dead
subject then is it?

Tip: ask/look before you leap.

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http://www.imbjr.com

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IMBJR <no### [at] spamhere> wrote:
> What a bizarre mind you have. Martyr? You speak in terms completely
> unsuited to the situation. This ain't religion.

  The dictionary definition I'm referring to is "one who suffers for the
sake of principle".

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On 18 Apr 2004 16:34:03 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

>IMBJR <no### [at] spamhere> wrote:
>> What a bizarre mind you have. Martyr? You speak in terms completely
>> unsuited to the situation. This ain't religion.
>
>  The dictionary definition I'm referring to is "one who suffers for the
>sake of principle".

"Martyr" is a loaded word, no matter what some dictionary you
consulted says. 

Stay away from the dictionary and think for yourself.

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http://www.imbjr.com

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IMBJR <no### [at] spamhere> wrote:
> "Martyr" is a loaded word, no matter what some dictionary you
> consulted says. 

> Stay away from the dictionary and think for yourself.

  So you clearly are not interested on what I meant when I used the
word but only in splitting hairs.

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On 18 Apr 2004 17:01:04 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

>IMBJR <no### [at] spamhere> wrote:
>> "Martyr" is a loaded word, no matter what some dictionary you
>> consulted says. 
>
>> Stay away from the dictionary and think for yourself.
>
>  So you clearly are not interested on what I meant when I used the
>word but only in splitting hairs.

I was until you used a word out of its usual context, showing that
your thinking is to be suspected.

It's not splitting hairs, it's called being clear and precise. Try it.
Don't use words like "martyr" - learn that such words are meaningless
in quite a lot of contexts.

Seems that you are easily distracted too. You want to watch that.

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