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Hi,
Just thought I'd drop a line here to say congrats to Gilles Tran for getting one of
his images
on the cover of this months 3D World mag, and also congrats to me, 'cos I got my
Evening Hills
pic printed in the Exhibition section too.
Merry Christmas,
Andy Cocker
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Congrats from me too! It's the good' old "cow looking into a refrigerator".
A thumbnail can be found here: http://www.3dworldmag.com/
Regards,
Hugo
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Andy Cocker wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just thought I'd drop a line here to say congrats to Gilles Tran for getting one of
his images
> on the cover of this months 3D World mag, and also congrats to me, 'cos I got my
Evening Hills
> pic printed in the Exhibition section too.
Congratulations. The title picture looks very nice, do they write
anything about it?
Christoph
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"Andy Cocker" <mai### [at] andrewcocker couk> a écrit dans le message de
news:3fe30e4a@news.povray.org...
>
> Just thought I'd drop a line here to say congrats to Gilles Tran for
getting one of his images
> on the cover of this months 3D World mag, and also congrats to me, 'cos I
got my Evening Hills
> pic printed in the Exhibition section too.
Congrats Andrew!
Here's a link to the magazine with a close up of the image.
http://www.3dworldmag.com/
It's my "Cool cows" image flipped horizontally. I had to re-render the texts
(labels) to do this without re-rendering the whole image.
Notice the irony: a POV-Ray image is used to sell Maya, AfterEffects,
Lightwave and the rest.
There should be a couple of lines with "POV-Ray" in it though (on page 3 I
presume, but I haven't received the magazine yet).
For Russian readers, the Russian magazine "Home PC" (http://www.homepc.ru)
issues of October and December are sprinkled with Oyonale pics (with my
permission). Initially it was just to illustrate a story about the ZKM media
center in Germany (where Xfrog was born) but the editors got carried away.
There'll be a cover for a German computer science journal too, to be
published later.
G.
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> Merry Christmas,
>
> Andy Cocker
>
>
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Gilles Tran wrote:
>
> Here's a link to the magazine with a close up of the image.
> http://www.3dworldmag.com/
> It's my "Cool cows" image flipped horizontally. I had to re-render the texts
> (labels) to do this without re-rendering the whole image.
>
> Notice the irony: a POV-Ray image is used to sell Maya, AfterEffects,
> Lightwave and the rest.
Yes, when reading:
"Issue 47 also contains the first part of our new series of beginners'
tutorials. Over the next six months, we'll be showing you how to model,
texture, light and animate a complete 3D scene, with all the necessary
software and project files provided on the cover CD."
i already thought that it would be completely unrealistic of me to
assume this refers to a POV-Ray tutorial...
> There'll be a cover for a German computer science journal too, to be
> published later.
Care to tell the name of the journal?
Christoph
--
POV-Ray tutorials, include files, Sim-POV,
HCR-Edit and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/
Last updated 25 Oct. 2003 _____./\/^>_*_<^\/\.______
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"Christoph Hormann" <chr### [at] gmxde> a écrit dans le message de
news:j2n### [at] tritonimagicode...
> > There'll be a cover for a German computer science journal too, to be
> > published later.
>
> Care to tell the name of the journal?
It's Informatik-Spektrum. I suppose that it will (again) be about a paper
related to Xfrog. The accompanying text, however, will contain a technical
description mentionning POV-Ray and particularly radiosity and isosurfaces.
I realise that I forgot to tell that the November issue of the German 3d
magazine Creative Live contained my "Dark side of the trees" image (about
the Xfrog plug-in for C4D and co - this is getting weird). Pretty
impressive: they did a full page with a detail of the pic and the impression
was top notch. No mention of POV-Ray though (just a link to my site).
G.
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> No mention of POV-Ray though (just a link to my site).
I can't understand why they fail to mention POV-Ray since it's a vital key
to the images you create. They all seem to tone it down? If it was my
images, I would demand a notion to POV.
Regards,
Hugo
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Gilles Tran wrote:
>
> It's Informatik-Spektrum. I suppose that it will (again) be about a paper
> related to Xfrog. The accompanying text, however, will contain a technical
> description mentionning POV-Ray and particularly radiosity and isosurfaces.
Great, do you know which issue it will appear in? For those who are
interested:
http://link.springer.de/link/service/journals/00287/index.htm
> I realise that I forgot to tell that the November issue of the German 3d
> magazine Creative Live contained my "Dark side of the trees" image (about
> the Xfrog plug-in for C4D and co - this is getting weird). Pretty
> impressive: they did a full page with a detail of the pic and the impression
> was top notch. No mention of POV-Ray though (just a link to my site).
You probably should not be astonished about this. The german market of
popular magazines on technical stuff is anything but independent - quite
understandable since they make most money from selling advertisement
space and they need to maintain good relations to those companies that
pay for these. I did not actually see what they wrote but of course it
is really quite questionable to feature such an image in a magazine that
is about 3D software among other things and simply 'forget' to mention
the software used to generate the image.
Christoph
--
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HCR-Edit and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/
Last updated 25 Oct. 2003 _____./\/^>_*_<^\/\.______
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"Hugo Asm" <hua### [at] post3teledk> a écrit dans le message de
news:3fe3385b$1@news.povray.org...
> I can't understand why they fail to mention POV-Ray since it's a vital key
> to the images you create. They all seem to tone it down? If it was my
> images, I would demand a notion to POV.
Sometimes it's already hard to be credited at all, so crediting the renderer
itself has a low priority for magazine editors, unless the article deals
specifically with a particular renderer or compares renderers. It does make
sense, because 3D artists tend to use a lot of tools, the renderer being
only one of them. Even for my images, the tools "shown off" could also be
Xfrog, Poser, Rhino etc. which are commercial ones and more known to the
readers.
The images in 3Dmag and Informatik-Spektrum are/will be clearly labelled as
POV-Ray ones however.
G.
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"Christoph Hormann" <chr### [at] gmxde> a écrit dans le message de
news:hhr### [at] tritonimagicode...
> pay for these. I did not actually see what they wrote but of course it
> is really quite questionable to feature such an image in a magazine that
> is about 3D software among other things and simply 'forget' to mention
> the software used to generate the image.
As I said, the article was about xfrog and the picture featured thousands of
xfrog plants, so that was, at least, not totally abnormal that the emphasis
was on this software and not on POV-Ray. Something similar happened to me
with Poser some time ago.
About the technical magazines: I suppose that's true everywhere and that
there's no such thing as an 100% (or even 20%...) independent tech mag. In
the case of Creative Live, I was told that they had some strong links with
Maxon, the makers of C4D (can't verify this now).
G.
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Christoph Hormann wrote:
>
>they make most money from selling advertisement space and they
> need to maintain good relations to those companies that pay
> for these. I did not actually see what they wrote but of
> course it is really quite questionable to feature such an
> image in a magazine that is about 3D software among other
> things and simply 'forget' to mention the software used to
> generate the image.
>
If they need to remain good relations with advertisers-- non freeware
software companies-- then it would be prudent to keep quiet about freeware.
(Albeit I myself discovered povray through a user's gallery in
ComputerArts magazine.) It was in fact how these mags seemed to be one big
bloody ad for expensive gadgets that I stopped reading them.
Gilles, so that I'll be prepared to negotiate when they come beating down my
door, was any compensation involved? And if so, was it like one round of
brews for my pals, or like the whole meal tab for the povray francophile
group?
Greg M. Johnson
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Christoph Hormann wrote:
> Gilles Tran wrote:
>
>>
>> Here's a link to the magazine with a close up of the image.
>> http://www.3dworldmag.com/
>> It's my "Cool cows" image flipped horizontally. I had to re-render the
>> texts
>> (labels) to do this without re-rendering the whole image.
>>
>
>
> "Issue 47 also contains the first part of our new series of beginners'
> tutorials. Over the next six months, we'll be showing you how to model,
> texture, light and animate a complete 3D scene, with all the necessary
> software and project files provided on the cover CD."
>
> i already thought that it would be completely unrealistic of me to
> assume this refers to a POV-Ray tutorial...
You would, its a future mag, you know the ones that are banned
from distributing POV-Ray according to povlegal.doc :-)
Mind you the trouble with that is they've the UK
computer arts magazines market pretty much in their pocket :(
Dave
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"gregjohn" <pte### [at] yahoocom> a écrit dans le message de
news:web.3fe347ab52d45b1f40d56c170@news.povray.org...
> If they need to remain good relations with advertisers-- non freeware
> software companies-- then it would be prudent to keep quiet about
freeware.
Commercial software companies are unlikely to fear the competition of free
3D software at this stage (POV-Ray, Blender and a gazillions renderers and
modellers). Why would they care : there's no open source Maya clone right
now. The problem magazines can have with 3D freeware is more simply that
they have no good reason to dedicate valuable commercial space to them.
> Gilles, so that I'll be prepared to negotiate when they come beating down
my
> door, was any compensation involved?
I only ask for a free copy and a credit + link (which I get). Ten of
thousands of starving graphic artists would kill mom and dad for this kind
of publicity. It would take a couple of emails to replace me. I remember a
movie magazine complaining that a A-list movie star had *** dared *** to ask
for compensation, so it's not like a nobody like me is going to get
something else that free advertising (and being a hobbyist, it's not like I
care about it anyway).
Of course, I could be all wrong, but the feeling I have with any
talent-based industry is that talents are rarely in a good negotiating
position...
G.
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"Andy Cocker" <mai### [at] andrewcockercouk> wrote in message
news:3fe30e4a@news.povray.org...
<snip>
I've got hold of my copy. I've put some scanned pages up at
http://www.tomandlu.co.uk/3dw47/.
Gilles's image appears several more times (I've only scanned the main
entries), and there are also two Pov-images in the magazine gallery with
short biogs from Andy and someone called Steven Wood. Those pages are also
scanned.
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Now that is cool! They pay proper tribute to Gilles and POV. Thanks for the
scanning.
Regards,
Hugo
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"Tom Melly" <fam### [at] tomandlucouk> a écrit dans le message de
news:3fe62241@news.povray.org...
> I've got hold of my copy. I've put some scanned pages up at
> http://www.tomandlu.co.uk/3dw47/.
Thanks Tom. Funny thing is that the cover project they showed me had "Maya"
written in bold letters across the cover but it's gone now (in fact it was
probably only an old cover with the cows pasted on).
Still, that's an unusually big number of POV-Ray references in a 3D mag. It
looks like Future Publishing is trying to atone for past sins ;)
G.
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"Gilles Tran" <tra### [at] inapginrafr> wrote in message
news:3fe6d68d$1@news.povray.org...
> Still, that's an unusually big number of POV-Ray references in a 3D mag. It
> looks like Future Publishing is trying to atone for past sins ;)
>
They atone in vain - the sin was mortal... (actually, IMHO it would be nice if
some kind of dialogue was restarted between POV and Future Publishing - they've
got pretty much100% of the IT magazine biz in the UK)
As I said, your image crops up several more times - one large fairly clean (no
text) version iirc, plus it's on the strap-line* for each page (several) of the
"Future Shocks" article.
* I think that's what it's called - the banner-thing that you get at the top of
a page.
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Kick me for saying it, but the article's use of
<i> Pov-Ray</i>
strikes me as more impressive than
<i> POV-Ray</i>
.
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"Greg M. Johnson" <gregj;-)565### [at] aolcom> wrote in news:3feba978$1
@news.povray.org:
> Kick me for saying it, but the article's use of
> <i> Pov-Ray</i>
>
> strikes me as more impressive than
> <i> POV-Ray</i>
> .
>
Isn't the second version, the correct capitalization?
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In article <Xns### [at] 204213191226>,
Tom Galvin <tom### [at] imporg> wrote:
> > Kick me for saying it, but the article's use of
> > <i> Pov-Ray</i>
> >
> > strikes me as more impressive than
> > <i> POV-Ray</i>
>
> Isn't the second version, the correct capitalization?
Yes, it is. POV is an acronym for Persistence Of Vision, Ray is an
abbreviation of Raytracer. The capitalization "Pov" doesn't make sense.
<kicks Greg>
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