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I just wanted to test the qtvrpanorama.pov file in the qtvr directory and a
few annoying things came up :
- first, the "Make QTVR Panorama" free converter described in the file only
exists for MacOS http://developer.apple.com/quicktime/quicktimeintro/tools/.
It looks that the only way to do this on a non-Mac platform is to buy the
400$ QTVR authoring studio...
- second, I cannot find any freeware or shareware app that allows to turn a
simple 360° image into a QTVR file... I keep stumbling on dead ends (the
QTVR support is either absent or paying).
I know there are other panorama viewers (java-based particularly) but before
I try them I would like to be sure that it is presently impossible to create
QTVR images - or at least QT panorama images - with free tools on another
platform than MacOS. Any idea or advice ?
G.
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Hello,
I know a piece of software which might help a little. Go to the 'panorama
tools' website at http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~dersch/. As far as I know
it's is not exactly what you are looking for, but you are able to view
panoramic images with it.
Koos
"Gilles Tran" <tra### [at] inapg inrafr> wrote in message
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> I just wanted to test the qtvrpanorama.pov file in the qtvr directory and
a
> few annoying things came up :
> - first, the "Make QTVR Panorama" free converter described in the file
only
> exists for MacOS
http://developer.apple.com/quicktime/quicktimeintro/tools/.
> It looks that the only way to do this on a non-Mac platform is to buy the
> 400$ QTVR authoring studio...
> - second, I cannot find any freeware or shareware app that allows to turn
a
> simple 360° image into a QTVR file... I keep stumbling on dead ends (the
> QTVR support is either absent or paying).
>
> I know there are other panorama viewers (java-based particularly) but
before
> I try them I would like to be sure that it is presently impossible to
create
> QTVR images - or at least QT panorama images - with free tools on another
> platform than MacOS. Any idea or advice ?
>
> G.
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"Koos" <ikk### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
3efa0dc9$1@news.povray.org...
> I know a piece of software which might help a little. Go to the 'panorama
> tools' website at http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~dersch/. As far as I
know
> it's is not exactly what you are looking for, but you are able to view
> panoramic images with it.
Yes, I've played with this one a little bit but it's a series of tools to
stitch and create panoramas images out of single pictures. To create QTVRs
out of it you still need to run your bitmap through the same Apple thingie
that is unavailable for non MacOS users or through much more expensive
software.
Something I don't get is that while I've been through quite a number of
panorama sites (with tutorials, comparisons of software etc.) I've seen none
stating clearly that what I (and probably other people) want is a simple,
free or very cheap utility to do this doesn't exist for non-Apple machines.
G.
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Gilles Tran <tra### [at] inapginrafr> wrote:
> I know there are other panorama viewers (java-based particularly) but before
> I try them I would like to be sure that it is presently impossible to create
> QTVR images
Why?
Why do you think QT is better than a applet like PTviewer?
Lutz-Peter
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In article <3ef9efee$1@news.povray.org>,
"Gilles Tran" <tra### [at] inapginrafr> wrote:
>I just wanted to test the qtvrpanorama.pov file in the qtvr directory and a
>few annoying things came up :
>- first, the "Make QTVR Panorama" free converter described in the file only
>exists for MacOS http://developer.apple.com/quicktime/quicktimeintro/tools/.
Don't feel bad, it doesn't even really exist for Mac OS. (That's not a
modern app, so in order to use it I would have to install the older OS
environment. It would run "within" Mac OS X, but installing all of the
older OS makes that app take up a pretty huge amount of space.)
Jerry
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"Lutz-Peter Hooge" <lpv### [at] gmxde> a écrit dans le message de news:
3efb0572@news.povray.org...
> Why do you think QT is better than a applet like PTviewer?
I don't think it's better, but it's certainly more mainstream and I like the
idea of having standalone files that I (and the user) can play outside the
webpage. Also, my experiences with free java applets haven't been all
successful. I noted that the main PT page had been down for a while, which
is never a good sign in my book when it comes to choose a technology.
After some digging in Google and in my computer junk, I retrieved a now dead
piece of software called Spin Panorama (hidden in my Epson 750 installation
pack) that creates QTVR cylindrical panoramas. Still, I may end up using
PTviewer anyway as it supports more projection modes.
G.
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"Jerry" <jer### [at] acusdedu> a écrit dans le message de news:
jer### [at] netplexaussieorg...
> Don't feel bad, it doesn't even really exist for Mac OS. (That's not a
> modern app, so in order to use it I would have to install the older OS
> environment. It would run "within" Mac OS X, but installing all of the
> older OS makes that app take up a pretty huge amount of space.)
It certainly looks like Apple decided to kill the free, entry-level
authoring for QTVR... I've seen a lot of pages that made references to these
free tools for teachers (kids making panoramas from their field trips),
photographers hobbyists etc. and this doesn't seem really available now :( I
even seem to remember that the free version of QT came with authoring tools
at some time, but I could be mistaken.
G.
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Gilles Tran <tra### [at] inapginrafr> wrote:
> I don't think it's better, but it's certainly more mainstream
Sure? I think java is more commonly installed than Quicktime, but I may
be wrong. Also PTViewer IMHO gives better quality (panning is more evenly
and less flickering pixels).
btw, an example POV-panorama in PTviewer:
<http://lutz-peter.hoogi.de/extern/pano_medium.html>
> I like the idea of having standalone files that I (and the user) can play
> outside the webpage.
There is a version of PTviewer that will also run as a standalone application.
In Windows you can also add an association "open with ptviewer" to jpeg files
so you can open them in PTviewer directly.
(something like C:\WINDOWS\javaw.exe -jar "D:\ptviewer.jar" "%1")
Lutz-Peter
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In article <3efb27d7$1@news.povray.org> , "Gilles Tran" <tra### [at] inapginrafr>
wrote:
> It certainly looks like Apple decided to kill the free, entry-level
> authoring for QTVR...
Well, they are not more than executables of developer sample code ... maybe
I will find some time to take a look at the source code...
Thorsten
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Lutz-Peter Hooge wrote:
> Gilles Tran <tra### [at] inapginrafr> wrote:
>
>
>>I don't think it's better, but it's certainly more mainstream
>
>
> Sure? I think java is more commonly installed than Quicktime, but I may
> be wrong. Also PTViewer IMHO gives better quality (panning is more evenly
> and less flickering pixels).
> btw, an example POV-panorama in PTviewer:
> <http://lutz-peter.hoogi.de/extern/pano_medium.html>
And how looks the camera definition in POV?
Wijnand
>
>>I like the idea of having standalone files that I (and the user) can play
>>outside the webpage.
>
>
> There is a version of PTviewer that will also run as a standalone application.
> In Windows you can also add an association "open with ptviewer" to jpeg files
> so you can open them in PTviewer directly.
> (something like C:\WINDOWS\javaw.exe -jar "D:\ptviewer.jar" "%1")
>
> Lutz-Peter
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Hi Gilles!
Have you seen this page:
http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~fishwick/art/qtvr/
bye
jsj
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Wijnand Nijs <w.j### [at] alf4alldemonnl> wrote:
> > btw, an example POV-panorama in PTviewer:
> > <http://lutz-peter.hoogi.de/extern/pano_medium.html>
> And how looks the camera definition in POV?
It's just a spherical camera with angle 360
Lutz-Peter
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"Josef Schmid" <J_S### [at] t-onlinede> a écrit dans le message de news:
3efb6536$1@news.povray.org...
> Hi Gilles!
>
> Have you seen this page:
> http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~fishwick/art/qtvr/
Well yes that's what I want to do, but you can see that he says "I would
like to thank Tim Monroe of Apple's QuickTime team for making this
technology available to PC users. Until very recently, it has been
exclusively a Mac application"
because 5 years ago the VRMakePano was indeed available, which is why, I
suppose, it's mentionned in the QTVR file in the POV-Ray directory.
G.
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I posted the zip of the windows utilities with source in
povray.binaries.utilities.
Brian
"Gilles Tran" <tra### [at] inapginrafr> wrote in message
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> "Josef Schmid" <J_S### [at] t-onlinede> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 3efb6536$1@news.povray.org...
> > Hi Gilles!
> >
> > Have you seen this page:
> > http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~fishwick/art/qtvr/
>
> Well yes that's what I want to do, but you can see that he says "I would
> like to thank Tim Monroe of Apple's QuickTime team for making this
> technology available to PC users. Until very recently, it has been
> exclusively a Mac application"
> because 5 years ago the VRMakePano was indeed available, which is why, I
> suppose, it's mentionned in the QTVR file in the POV-Ray directory.
>
> G.
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"Josef Schmid" <<mailto:J_S### [at] t-onlinede>J_S### [at] t-onlinede> a écrit dans
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<mailto:3efc74eb@news.povray.org>3efc74eb@news.povray.org...
> My english is not that good perhaps I have been missing something?
My bad, I saw it but thought it was the usual dead Apple link...
Thanks for the link, and thanks to Brian Todoroff for uploading the file in
p.b.u.
> I haven´t tried it myself so I could not tell.
Some time later...
Well, it looks that this VRMakePano (dated 1998) can be opened but doesn't
do anything much useful after that : it cannot open and display image files,
let alone convert them. Clicking on the Make Pano Movie menu item does
nothing. No error message, nothing.
So I googled up VRMakePano and it turns out that Apple does have a more
recent VRMakePano file (dated 2000) available. It's just absent from the
list of their free VR utilities but can be found in the developer's section
here:
http://developer.apple.com/samplecode/Sample_Code/QuickTime/QuickTime_VR/vrm
akepano.htm
Now the situation is different: it opens (File Open) and displays my test
POV-Ray image panorama in bmp format but it's useless, as the Make Pano
Movie menu opens again the Open File dialog box. In one of the weirdest
interface behaviour ever (I can't believe this is really coming from
Apple...) I have to pick up the file in the first Open File dialog box,
cancel a *** second *** Open File dialog box and then I'm asked to save a
*.til file (???) and then finally a *.mov file. Victory ??? Not quite...
I've tested this on a NT machine and on a XP machine and while I can see
that the conversion is working (a window opens showing the panorama content,
flickers briefly and closes), the resulting file simply disappears (I did a
full search on the HD to be sure). Only on a W2000 box I was able to see the
QTVR file... This is just bizarre.
G.
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In article <3efcd460@news.povray.org> , "Gilles Tran" <git### [at] wanadoofr>
wrote:
> Now the situation is different: it opens (File Open) and displays my test
> POV-Ray image panorama in bmp format but it's useless, as the Make Pano
> Movie menu opens again the Open File dialog box. In one of the weirdest
> interface behaviour ever (I can't believe this is really coming from
> Apple...)
It is *developer* sample code! It is not meant for users at all, but for
developers to get a simple idea how a specific task is performed using
QuickTime. It is by no means an application that is useful for anything,
and in fact, many of the examples in the sample code section don't even come
with a prebuild executable included...
Thorsten
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Was this stuff what they used to make Myst 3? :)
If I could use this, would I be able to make a walkthrough program that
displayed panorama images for my pov musemum? :)
Brendan
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"Lutz-Peter Hooge" <lpv### [at] gmxde> a écrit dans le message de news:
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> btw, an example POV-panorama in PTviewer:
> <http://lutz-peter.hoogi.de/extern/pano_medium.html>
Yes, it's looking good.
Since my attempts at creating real QTVR are getting nowhere I'll be using
PTViewer. Also, it supports 360° spherical panoramas (unlike VRMakePano -
when it works - and Spin Panorama). One strange thing is that the standalone
PT viewer puts POV-Ray in pause mode... I couldn't understand why my renders
paused anytime I loaded the viewer!
I still wish I could make QTVR instead but PTViewer will do the job. Thanks
for the help.
G.
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Gilles, all, it's an honor.
I know that this is an old thread, but I wanted to let you all know about
two freeware applications that are now available to make QTVR panoramas.
Our firm recently put out a QTVR presentation using PC's. Most of the
panoramas were done by rendering a scene out from POV-Ray using a sperical
camera, then using Photoshop to turn the image 180degrees, then using
freeware PanoCUBE to convert the image into a QTVR MOV file. One QTVR was
produced with VIZ4 by another coworker, then I had to extract it, edit and
re-write with PanoCUBE. I rendered the last one with SketchUp, touched it
up in Photoshop then converted with PanoCUBE.
If it's kosher, I'll post a link to the presentation online. In the
meantime, here are links to PanoCUBE (freeware, needs PanoTOOLS' PTStitcher
and pano12.dll to work) and GoCubic (freeware, based on VRMakePano).
http://www.panoshow.com/panocube.htm
http://www.panoguide.com/howto/display/gocubic.jsp
-WhackedPinata
PS - first time poster, please forgive me if I did not format links
correctly to be active
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