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From: Shay
Subject: macro speed
Date: 17 Feb 2003 14:24:47
Message: <3e5136ff@news.povray.org>
The following piece of code has two sections. The first section parses
in 18 seconds on this computer (p3 650m). The second section parses in
only 9 seconds!!

/*
#macro Inc ( Iter )
    #local Iter = Iter + 1;
#end

#local I = 0;
#while ( I < 100000 )
    Inc ( I )
#end
*/


/*
#local I = 0;
#while ( I < 100000 )
    #local I = I + 1;
#end
*/

 -Shay


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From: Shay
Subject: Re: macro speed
Date: 17 Feb 2003 14:31:25
Message: <3e51388d$2@news.povray.org>
"Shay" <sah### [at] simcopartscom> wrote in message
news:3e5136ff@news.povray.org...

I should have included my explanation for posting this. I just thought
that the information might be useful for those coding certain types of
algorithms in PoV sdl.

 -Shay


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: macro speed
Date: 17 Feb 2003 16:14:58
Message: <3e5150d2@news.povray.org>
Shay <sah### [at] simcopartscom> wrote:
> The following piece of code has two sections. The first section parses
> in 18 seconds on this computer (p3 650m). The second section parses in
> only 9 seconds!!

  This is a very known phenomenon which happens due to how macros are
parsed.
  And due to how they are parsed the effect is even worse if the macro
is inside an include file instead of the current file. Try it.

  If your macro performs some mathematical operation and returns the
result, the fastest way of optimizing this is to replace the macro
with a function (and then it doesn't even matter if the function
is in an include file or not).

-- 
#macro M(A,N,D,L)plane{-z,-9pigment{mandel L*9translate N color_map{[0rgb x]
[1rgb 9]}scale<D,D*3D>*1e3}rotate y*A*8}#end M(-3<1.206434.28623>70,7)M(
-1<.7438.1795>1,20)M(1<.77595.13699>30,20)M(3<.75923.07145>80,99)// - Warp -


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From: Shay
Subject: Re: macro speed
Date: 17 Feb 2003 16:47:55
Message: <3e51588b@news.povray.org>
"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
news:3e5150d2@news.povray.org...
|
|   And due to how they are parsed the effect is
| even worse if the macro is inside an include file
| instead of the current file. Try it.
|

Woa!!!... 2 min 31 sec. This is very instructive for anyone writing an
include file.

BTW.... the code below:

(include file)
#macro Increment(Add, Loop)
    #while (Add < Loop)
        #local Add = Add + 1;
    #end
#end

(pov file)
#include "[include file]"
#local I = 0;
#while (I < 100000)
    Increment (I, 100000)
#end

as expected, only takes the original 9 seconds.

 -Shay


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From: Christopher James Huff
Subject: Re: macro speed
Date: 17 Feb 2003 16:51:44
Message: <cjameshuff-F6E999.16495417022003@netplex.aussie.org>
In article <3e5136ff@news.povray.org>, "Shay" <sah### [at] simcopartscom> 
wrote:

> The following piece of code has two sections. The first section parses
> in 18 seconds on this computer (p3 650m). The second section parses in
> only 9 seconds!!

Yeah, the scene description language is slow. For comparison, CSDL 
managed about 250000 simple loops per second on my 350MHz G3 (if I 
remember right...). I haven't tested Sapphire, but it should be even 
faster.

The difference is that the main POV script isn't compiled to bytecodes, 
it is parsed directly, which means a lot of string operations and 
jumping around the source files.

-- 
Christopher James Huff <cja### [at] earthlinknet>
http://home.earthlink.net/~cjameshuff/
POV-Ray TAG: chr### [at] tagpovrayorg
http://tag.povray.org/


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From: Alastair Murray
Subject: Re: macro speed
Date: 17 Feb 2003 20:10:54
Message: <3e51881e$1@news.povray.org>
Even when compiling to some form of bytecode the second version would still
be faster, as calling a function is fairly slow relative to just calling and
increment a value.  (Based upon my experience with Java bytecode).


"Christopher James Huff" <cja### [at] earthlinknet> wrote in message
news:cja### [at] netplexaussieorg...
> In article <3e5136ff@news.povray.org>, "Shay" <sah### [at] simcopartscom>
> wrote:
>
> > The following piece of code has two sections. The first section parses
> > in 18 seconds on this computer (p3 650m). The second section parses in
> > only 9 seconds!!
>
> Yeah, the scene description language is slow. For comparison, CSDL
> managed about 250000 simple loops per second on my 350MHz G3 (if I
> remember right...). I haven't tested Sapphire, but it should be even
> faster.
>
> The difference is that the main POV script isn't compiled to bytecodes,
> it is parsed directly, which means a lot of string operations and
> jumping around the source files.
>
> --
> Christopher James Huff <cja### [at] earthlinknet>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~cjameshuff/
> POV-Ray TAG: chr### [at] tagpovrayorg
> http://tag.povray.org/


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From: ABX
Subject: Re: macro speed
Date: 18 Feb 2003 04:25:02
Message: <vru35vkls4h9gm7k5hpspneb52e69che9s@4ax.com>
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:24:44 -0600, "Shay" <sah### [at] simcopartscom> wrote:
> The following piece of code has two sections. The first section parses
> in 18 seconds on this computer (p3 650m). The second section parses in
> only 9 seconds!!

http://news.povray.org/povray.text.tutorials/21794/
http://news.povray.org/povray.text.tutorials/22153/

ABX


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From: Christopher James Huff
Subject: Re: macro speed
Date: 18 Feb 2003 10:22:00
Message: <cjameshuff-31A7DB.10201318022003@netplex.aussie.org>
In article <3e51881e$1@news.povray.org>,
 "Alastair Murray" <ala### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:

> Even when compiling to some form of bytecode the second version would still
> be faster, as calling a function is fairly slow relative to just calling and
> increment a value.  (Based upon my experience with Java bytecode).

True that calling a function is slower than not doing so, but the 
overhead can be very small. If inline functions are supported, it could 
be eliminated completely.

-- 
Christopher James Huff <cja### [at] earthlinknet>
http://home.earthlink.net/~cjameshuff/
POV-Ray TAG: chr### [at] tagpovrayorg
http://tag.povray.org/


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