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I've decided to change the terms of use under which I distribute my
include files. I want to thank those who participated in the discussion
about it in the thread "My particle system is released", that you
(almost) all kept the discussion serious, didn't make it personal, and
respected my opinions despite the fact that you disagreed with me. I
like when discussions can be like that.
There are some things I don't know so much about, so I'd appreciate your
help here.
I've considered using one of the known public licenses. I don't really
know anything about those. I've been recommended the GPL, and I've found
and read version 2 of that one. Is that the newest version? I would also
be interested in knowing if there are other alternative licenses that
might be of interest to me.
When the include files will be free for non-commercial and commercial
use, I will instead appeal to users to make voluntary donations. I would
like your opinions of what is the best way to make that possible
(easiest and most cost-effective). I've been recommended PayPal and an
Amazon wish list, and I would like to hear if you have any positive or
negative experiences with those, and about possible alternative ways you
could recommend.
P.S. This is posted in povray.general (rather than povray.off-topic),
since this thread might be of interest to other people making include
files, people wishing to modify include files, and to those who use them
in the end.
Rune
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3D images and anims, include files, tutorials and more:
rune|vision: http://runevision.com (updated Oct 19)
POV-Ray Ring: http://webring.povray.co.uk
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"Rune" <run### [at] mobilixnet dk> wrote in message
news:3db6e281$1@news.povray.org...
> I've decided to change the terms of use under which I distribute my
> include files.
I think you've made the right decision.
> When the include files will be free for non-commercial and commercial
> use, I will instead appeal to users to make voluntary donations.
Just make it 'fun' Rune. It'll work out for the better, you'll see.
~Steve~
> Rune
> --
> 3D images and anims, include files, tutorials and more:
> rune|vision: http://runevision.com (updated Oct 19)
> POV-Ray Ring: http://webring.povray.co.uk
>
>
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St. wrote:
> "Rune" wrote:
>> When the include files will be free for non-commercial
>> and commercial use, I will instead appeal to users to
>> make voluntary donations.
>
> Just make it 'fun' Rune. It'll work out for the better,
> you'll see.
Sorry, I didn't get that. What do you mean?
Rune
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3D images and anims, include files, tutorials and more:
rune|vision: http://runevision.com (updated Oct 19)
POV-Ray Ring: http://webring.povray.co.uk
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"Rune" <run### [at] mobilixnetdk> wrote in message
news:3db6ef7c@news.povray.org...
> St. wrote:
> > "Rune" wrote:
> >> When the include files will be free for non-commercial
> >> and commercial use, I will instead appeal to users to
> >> make voluntary donations.
> >
> > Just make it 'fun' Rune. It'll work out for the better,
> > you'll see.
>
> Sorry, I didn't get that. What do you mean?
Be the nice guy you are, the cheery, helpful person you can be.
*Make* it fun, they'll come back to you after (maybe) depositing a little lolly
your way and ask you what you're working on next. Things will build from this. You
*love* people to mail you, right? ;)
~Steve~
>
> Rune
> --
> 3D images and anims, include files, tutorials and more:
> rune|vision: http://runevision.com (updated Oct 19)
> POV-Ray Ring: http://webring.povray.co.uk
>
>
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"Rune" <run### [at] mobilixnetdk> wrote in message
news:3db6e281$1@news.povray.org...
>
> When the include files will be free for non-commercial and
> commercial use, I will instead appeal to users to make voluntary
> donations.
>
IMHO, nothing's changed. Of the posts above, it was Slime's thoughts that I
agreed with the most.
If I ever release a user-friendly blob-man, I would hope to get:
i) fame, of the
oh-aren't-we-so-grateful-to-Chris-Colefax-and-Greg-Johnson type
ii) more hits to my web pages to influence folks towards my religious,
moral, and political views
iii) a tap on the shoulder from say a local car dealer to make a commercial
or maybe even Nick Parks himself to do some collaborative work.
iv) an Oscar for best short, either by me, or by a user where it's obvious
that it's my creature...
When I first started posting my particle & boids animations, someone
contacted me about releasing my code for his quasi-professional use--
something with CG animation in front of an orchestra. After trying to
formulate conditions for release that would cheeze as much FAME out of it as
possible, I decided instead to release it with no mention of any conditions
on one of my web pages.
And whaddayaknow, soon CRAIG REYNOLDS, the father of Boids himself, had a
link on his web page to MY SITE!!!
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St. wrote:
> Be the nice guy you are, the cheery, helpful
> person you can be.
>
> *Make* it fun, they'll come back to you after
> (maybe) depositing a little lolly your way and
> ask you what you're working on next. Things
> will build from this. You *love* people to mail
> you, right? ;)
Sure, of course. :) But I was not sure if your comment was a reply to
any of the specific things I wrote, like the donations part. If so, I
didn't get the message.
Rune
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3D images and anims, include files, tutorials and more:
rune|vision: http://runevision.com (updated Oct 19)
POV-Ray Ring: http://webring.povray.co.uk
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in news:3db6e281$1@news.povray.org Rune wrote:
> I would also
> be interested in knowing if there are other alternative licenses that
> might be of interest to me.
>
Hers's somthing to read :)
http://www.opensource.org/licenses/osl.php
I prefer the BSD one, it's simple and short.
Ingo
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Greg M. Johnson wrote:
> IMHO, nothing's changed.
I'm not sure what you mean. Should I take it as a negative remark
implying that this new license will be nothing different from the terms
of use I've used so far? I may have misunderstood you.
> Of the posts above, it was Slime's thoughts
> that I agreed with the most.
Which was mostly about keeping the spirit of POV-Ray as far as I could
tell. If freeware (sometimes with voluntary donations - think IRTC
CD-ROMs and keyrings) is not the spirit of POV-Ray, then I don't know
what is.
Rune
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3D images and anims, include files, tutorials and more:
rune|vision: http://runevision.com (updated Oct 19)
POV-Ray Ring: http://webring.povray.co.uk
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"Rune" <run### [at] mobilixnetdk> wrote in message
news:3db6f5fa$1@news.povray.org...
> St. wrote:
> > *Make* it fun, they'll come back to you after
> > (maybe) depositing a little lolly your way and
> > ask you what you're working on next. Things
> > will build from this. You *love* people to mail
> > you, right? ;)
>
> Sure, of course. :) But I was not sure if your comment was a reply to
> any of the specific things I wrote, like the donations part. If so, I
> didn't get the message.
Rune, it was a general comment. I didn't state whether it was a comment on
your pricing policy or not, I wouldn't, I couldn't, but for a wild guess now, I
would say that you should ask for a donation of something like $7-$10(?) with a
donation (on your part), going to a reputable charity - that way, everyone wins.
This seems to work ok generally.
What do you reckon?
~Steve~
>
> Rune
> --
> 3D images and anims, include files, tutorials and more:
> rune|vision: http://runevision.com (updated Oct 19)
> POV-Ray Ring: http://webring.povray.co.uk
>
>
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"Rune" <run### [at] mobilixnetdk> wrote in news:3db6e281$1
@news.povray.org:
> I've considered using one of the known public licenses. I don't really
> know anything about those. I've been recommended the GPL, and I've found
> and read version 2 of that one. Is that the newest version? I would also
> be interested in knowing if there are other alternative licenses that
> might be of interest to me.
>
Here is a pretty comprehensive list:
http://www.opensource.org/licenses/
> When the include files will be free for non-commercial and commercial
> use, I will instead appeal to users to make voluntary donations. I would
> like your opinions of what is the best way to make that possible
> (easiest and most cost-effective). I've been recommended PayPal and an
> Amazon wish list, and I would like to hear if you have any positive or
> negative experiences with those, and about possible alternative ways you
> could recommend.
>
I am fine with either, and someone mentioned charity donations. That's
fine too. The main thing is to pick what you feel most comfortable with.
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